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[kingcool1432]

i think this makes a big assumption - that srk will be reasonable and logical

as for why people dont get along with SG, i think i can relate to him a bit. i can understand that type of personality.

I thought you said you could relate to Dravid a while back

[kban1]

SSL : your thoughts are reasonable and logical.

IMO, SRK will fire JB and his cronies - he is losing money with these idiots at the helm.

I also think he will not bring back SG.. something does not appear kosher between SG and SRK. Just my gut feel. If this comes true - I have to wonder what SG does that people develop this "not him at any cost" complex with him.

You may be right here about SRK not backing SG --which would be  a pity.

And the reason for this instance is quite simple --he didnt bend over and say "Uncle" when SRK wanted him to use his clout and get the sales tax exemption for KKR /RCE from Buddha, the CM.

As to why people in general dont tend to jive with SG -- the question needs a qualifier. Rephrase it to ask why "people in power / authority who come in touch with him" dont like him.

The reason is simple. A strong and powerful personality like SG's with his "take no * attitude" is not appreciated by people who are usually in power. By definition, the latter kind of people are used to dealing with "yes" men who say Uncle frequently and at their beck and call, which means a challenge to their authority from a strong personality causes significant problems whereby their only response tends to be solving the problem by erradicating the problem personality from the realm of things.

[gouravk]

i think this makes a big assumption - that srk will be reasonable and logical

as for why people dont get along with SG, i think i can relate to him a bit. i can understand that type of personality.

I thought you said you could relate to Dravid a while back

yes. in certain aspects. strangely dravid and ganguly share certain aspects of personality !!

[ramshorns]

Based on cricketing merits alone SRK should not bring back SG as the captain.  SG a year from now will find it even more tough in the 20-20 format when I see the way things are going overall in the IPL.  So bringing him back as captain involves huge risk and SRK should not venture into that.

Unlike Warne or Kumble whose primary skills bowling spin does not require all that mobility in comparision to SG whose batting and running between wickets need more of it which will leave a huge question mark.  I do not think it will make for a smart move and will work.

KKR are better off looking elsewhere perhaps making SG incharge of player personnel and bring someone else to lead them on the field.

I am immediately reminded of the trainer article which praised Sourav's training regimen to the skies and described how he shocked Buchanan and co by passing fitness and weight tests that had moving goal posts, with flying colors. I do not know how much of that account is true, and how much is gross exaggeration. If there is 50% truth to that, I wouldn't write off Sourav for next year.

Additionally, throw in the Hayden article we read recently that described how just dealing with the IPL and no more makes it easier to prepare mentally, remain motivated, and train. Sourav would also have this benefit (provided he does not pig out way too much in the off season!)

Finally, with the clear advent of spin as a restrictive bowling weapon in the IPL, Sourav will remain a formidable force for a year or two.

I am not arguing that Sourav will be among the top batsmen for KKR. I just feel that with the 4 foreign player quota, he will justify his selection in the 7 best batsmen picked from within the squad. His running and fielding will be negatives but his batting and what he can offer by way of captaincy would arguably be positives, leading to a net positive next year. They can use him profitably for 1 year, to at least emerge from this horrific rut KKR find themselves in.

Why should I look into the future when this year alone he did not pull his weight as a bastman.  He only has 2 forty plus scores and he being the highest paid player does not justify the price tag.  In fact barring KKR he will not be selected into any other teams top 4 batsman barring may be RR or a BRC even that is a question mark.

CSK - Hayden, Raina, MSD, Badri
DD - VS, GG, De villiars, Dilshan
DC - Gilly, Gibbs, Symmo, Rohit
MI - Jaya, SRT, Duminy, Bravo
Kings XI - Yuvi, Sanga, Mahela, Bopara/Katich
BRC - Kallis, RD, KP
RR - GSmith, YP, Jadeja

And unless he is willing to play as an allrounder and have him bat well below No.5  I do not see how it will benefit KKR to have him lead thus gauranteeing a spot to a then 38 year old.

I just do not see that happening and frankly it is a step in the wrong direction.  If I am the owner of that team I will be very wary of such a stop gap move with just so many variables.

And sorry I do not put him in the category of a Hayden or a Gilchrist in the fitness ranks no matter how many hours he is willing to put in.  They are in a class of their own these Aussies since the junior ranks.

[RicePlateReddy]

1. As I mentioned, look at 'local' batsmen in the team when drawing a comparison -- that hugely matters because of the foreign player restriction. If he played next year, is he denying any local batsman to the team's detriment, especially when considering the captaincy value add that is sorely needed right now?

2. I did not compare him to Hayden at all. Please see what I wrote. Comparing him to Hayden would be foolish as they are in different leagues.  I mentioned that just as Hayden benefits from a single short tournament to play and nothing more, Sourav too will benefit from organizing his training and his life for those few weeks.

[ramshorns]

i think this makes a big assumption - that srk will be reasonable and logical

as for why people dont get along with SG, i think i can relate to him a bit. i can understand that type of personality.

I thought you said you could relate to Dravid a while back

yes. in certain aspects. strangely dravid and ganguly share certain aspects of personality !!

But the way you keep promoting various theories on individual players that usually fall apart one would think you could relate to Buchanan more closely.

[poondu]

i think this makes a big assumption - that srk will be reasonable and logical

as for why people dont get along with SG, i think i can relate to him a bit. i can understand that type of personality.

I thought you said you could relate to Dravid a while back

yes. in certain aspects. strangely dravid and ganguly share certain aspects of personality !!

But the way you keep promoting various theories on individual players that usually fall apart one would think you could relate to Buchanan more closely.

    Good one..

[ramshorns]

1. As I mentioned, look at 'local' batsmen in the team when drawing a comparison -- that hugely matters because of the foreign player restriction. If he played next year, is he denying any local batsman to the team's detriment, especially when considering the captaincy value add that is sorely needed right now?

2. I did not compare him to Hayden at all. Please see what I wrote. Comparing him to Hayden would be foolish as they are in different leagues.  I mentioned that just as Hayden benefits from a single short tournament to play and nothing more, Sourav too will benefit from organizing his training and his life for those few weeks.

But all these local players who play consistently are the ones like Raina, Rohit etc that fall in the top 4 category of batsman as I mentioned or if you are a bowler then they are like a Ishant or Ojha.  The rest of the locals that make up the seven pretty much are never selected on a consistent basis and are not gauranteed a spot like Teja, Vijay, Shukla etc.  And that is where I am afraid this will lead them to.  Ganguly was stripped of his captaincy because Buchanan never honsetly saw a gaurateed spot for him and nor did SRK.  But then they messed it up on how they went about it is another story.

It always looks nice when we envision something like this but that almost will never work in real world.

I am for a more pragmatic approach than going back to SG who lead them to 6th place in the first edition.  I have no doubt in my mind that SRK will not bring Ganguly back as captain.

[keep-it-cool]

SSL : your thoughts are reasonable and logical.

IMO, SRK will fire JB and his cronies - he is losing money with these idiots at the helm.

I also think he will not bring back SG.. something does not appear kosher between SG and SRK. Just my gut feel. If this comes true - I have to wonder what SG does that people develop this "not him at any cost" complex with him.

If the FakeIPL player is to be believed, SRK is already checking with Ricky Ponting whether he can take over as captain & be available for the whole of next season.

[ramshorns]

SSL : your thoughts are reasonable and logical.

IMO, SRK will fire JB and his cronies - he is losing money with these idiots at the helm.

I also think he will not bring back SG.. something does not appear kosher between SG and SRK. Just my gut feel. If this comes true - I have to wonder what SG does that people develop this "not him at any cost" complex with him.

If the FakeIPL player is to be believed, SRK is already checking with Ricky Ponting whether he can take over as captain & be available for the whole of next season.

Now you are talking.  That would make for a great move not because he is an Aussie but because he is still playing active cricket and never had a shot at leading an IPL team and it will be a fresh start for all parties.  But given Australia plays a lot and are in demand if they can get RP for 2 month commitment is the million dollar question.

[keep-it-cool]

I am not arguing that Sourav will be among the top batsmen for KKR. I just feel that with the 4 foreign player quota, he will justify his selection in the 7 best batsmen picked from within the squad. His running and fielding will be negatives but his batting and what he can offer by way of captaincy would arguably be positives, leading to a net positive next year. When one considers the serious leadership and team management problems that are evident this year, that equation with respect to the captaincy factor could hugely tilt in his favor. They can use him profitably for 1 year, to at least emerge from this horrific rut KKR find themselves in.

That is assuming they have the same set of domestic players next year as well. I think KKR needs to seriously revamp their set of domestic players (especially the batsmen). If they are able to get it right, I dont see why it should be a given that a player who averages 29 with a SR of 100-110 should be a top pick among their Indian batsmen. If that situation continues, then they will continue to struggle.

Check out DC - they have this crop of youngsters like Suman and Rao, who play around the better batsmen (who may or may not happen to be foreigners in every side).

[RicePlateReddy]

If the FakeIPL player is to be believed, SRK is already checking with Ricky Ponting whether he can take over as captain & be available for the whole of next season.

If Ponting is available, will commit to work on healing any supposed rift with the "locals", and most important of all -- gives it his all, he would make a very good choice.

Ponting seems to have more than a bee in his bonnet about the IPL. First he complained about the valuations. The he criticized the concept on multiple occasions. This year he dropped out altogether saying that it affects his playing for Australia. I respect that decision -- and bring it up only to ask if he is in the right mindset to enter this thing fully committed.

[keep-it-cool]

Based on cricketing merits alone SRK should not bring back SG as the captain.  SG a year from now will find it even more tough in the 20-20 format when I see the way things are going overall in the IPL.  So bringing him back as captain involves huge risk and SRK should not venture into that.

Unlike Warne or Kumble whose primary skills bowling spin does not require all that mobility in comparision to SG whose batting and running between wickets need more of it which will leave a huge question mark.  I do not think it will make for a smart move and will work.

KKR are better off looking elsewhere perhaps making SG incharge of player personnel and bring someone else to lead them on the field.

I am immediately reminded of the trainer article which praised Sourav's training regimen to the skies and described how he shocked Buchanan and co by passing fitness and weight tests that had moving goal posts, with flying colors. I do not know how much of that account is true, and how much is gross exaggeration. If there is 50% truth to that, I wouldn't write off Sourav for next year.

Additionally, throw in the Hayden article we read recently that described how just dealing with the IPL and no more makes it easier to prepare mentally, remain motivated, and train. Sourav would also have this benefit (provided he does not pig out way too much in the off season!)

Finally, with the clear advent of spin as a restrictive bowling weapon in the IPL, Sourav will remain a formidable force for a year or two.

I am not arguing that Sourav will be among the top batsmen for KKR. I just feel that with the 4 foreign player quota, he will justify his selection in the 7 best batsmen picked from within the squad. His running and fielding will be negatives but his batting and what he can offer by way of captaincy would arguably be positives, leading to a net positive next year. They can use him profitably for 1 year, to at least emerge from this horrific rut KKR find themselves in.

Why should I look into the future when this year alone he did not pull his weight as a bastman.  He only has 2 forty plus scores and he being the highest paid player does not justify the price tag.  In fact barring KKR he will not be selected into any other teams top 4 batsman barring may be RR or a BRC even that is a question mark.

CSK - Hayden, Raina, MSD, Badri
DD - VS, GG, De villiars, Dilshan
DC - Gilly, Gibbs, Symmo, Rohit
MI - Jaya, SRT, Duminy, Bravo
Kings XI - Yuvi, Sanga, Mahela, Bopara/Katich
BRC - Kallis, RD, KP
RR - GSmith, YP, Jadeja

And unless he is willing to play as an allrounder and have him bat well below No.5  I do not see how it will benefit KKR to have him lead thus gauranteeing a spot to a then 38 year old.

I just do not see that happening and frankly it is a step in the wrong direction.  If I am the owner of that team I will be very wary of such a stop gap move with just so many variables.

And sorry I do not put him in the category of a Hayden or a Gilchrist in the fitness ranks no matter how many hours he is willing to put in.  They are in a class of their own these Aussies since the junior ranks.

Completely agree. Even last year, when he was playing active cricket he hardly set the stands on fire (and once again the comparison cannot be with just other Indian KKR batsmen) - either as an anchor or an explosive player on a consistent basis.

[RicePlateReddy]

I am not arguing that Sourav will be among the top batsmen for KKR. I just feel that with the 4 foreign player quota, he will justify his selection in the 7 best batsmen picked from within the squad. His running and fielding will be negatives but his batting and what he can offer by way of captaincy would arguably be positives, leading to a net positive next year. When one considers the serious leadership and team management problems that are evident this year, that equation with respect to the captaincy factor could hugely tilt in his favor. They can use him profitably for 1 year, to at least emerge from this horrific rut KKR find themselves in.

That is assuming they have the same set of domestic players next year as well. I think KKR needs to seriously revamp their set of domestic players (especially the batsmen). If they are able to get it right, I dont see why it should be a given that a player who averages 29 with a SR of 100-110 should be a top pick among their Indian batsmen. If that situation continues, then they will continue to struggle.

Check out DC - they have this crop of youngsters like Suman and Rao, who play around the better batsmen (who may or may not happen to be foreigners in every side).

Fair enough -- but elucidate me on the rules surrounding acquisitions of local players. Is it basically free trade -- for KKR to go after some players and for the owning teams to sell them? If so, I see your point, provided an alternate strong and motivational captain can be identified.

My point was in Sourav, for team KKR (with reserve players from the state and country who greatly respect him), that valuable card is already on the table.

[keep-it-cool]

If the FakeIPL player is to be believed, SRK is already checking with Ricky Ponting whether he can take over as captain & be available for the whole of next season.

If Ponting is available, will commit to work on healing any supposed rift with the "locals", and most important of all -- gives it his all, he would make a very good choice.

Ponting seems to have more than a bee in his bonnet about the IPL. First he complained about the valuations. The he criticized the concept on multiple occasions. This year he dropped out altogether saying that it affects his playing for Australia. I respect that decision -- and bring it up only to ask if he is in the right mindset to enter this thing fully committed.

I am not for or against that move. I am just saying what the FakeIPL player mentioned. Having said that, I think his views may change if he is captain.

Ideally, for any team, I would prefer a local captain because his availability is certain through the tournament. Unless, of course, you have an ex-cricketer who is available full time (Gilly, Warne come to mind). SG can fall in that category ...but he has to demonstrate some degree of consistency in his primary role as a player first.

I dont think the solution for KKR (if they want to challenge for the title; improving on this time's performance cannot be the objective) is just a change of captain or coaching staff. They need to turn their squad upside down ...need much better players ...especially the Indian ones. Maybe if the ICL falls apart and many players accept the amnesty scheme, one could see some fresh talent up for grabs and these guys should go all out because, frankly, the ones they have now just dont cut it.

Next time around they will hopefully have Pujara back and assuming they are able to get Jhunjhunwala back from the ICL, they should also probably look to swap / buy Tiwary from Delhi (he is being underutilised there) ...throw Saha and Shukla in the mix and you have a good domestic nucleus to choose from. That should be the key focus area.

[keep-it-cool]

I am not arguing that Sourav will be among the top batsmen for KKR. I just feel that with the 4 foreign player quota, he will justify his selection in the 7 best batsmen picked from within the squad. His running and fielding will be negatives but his batting and what he can offer by way of captaincy would arguably be positives, leading to a net positive next year. When one considers the serious leadership and team management problems that are evident this year, that equation with respect to the captaincy factor could hugely tilt in his favor. They can use him profitably for 1 year, to at least emerge from this horrific rut KKR find themselves in.

That is assuming they have the same set of domestic players next year as well. I think KKR needs to seriously revamp their set of domestic players (especially the batsmen). If they are able to get it right, I dont see why it should be a given that a player who averages 29 with a SR of 100-110 should be a top pick among their Indian batsmen. If that situation continues, then they will continue to struggle.

Check out DC - they have this crop of youngsters like Suman and Rao, who play around the better batsmen (who may or may not happen to be foreigners in every side).

Fair enough -- but elucidate me on the rules surrounding acquisitions of local players. Is it basically free trade -- for KKR to go after some players and for the owning teams to sell them? If so, I see your point, provided an alternate strong and motivational captain can be identified.

My point was in Sourav, for team KKR (with reserve players from the state and country who greatly respect him), that valuable card is already on the table.

My understanding is that there is no restriction on how you go out and acquire players - either Indian or foreign - unless they have played international cricket. If they have played international cricket, they need to be bought in an auction process. That is how Warner was picked up by Delhi Daredevils even before any auction process. Of course they cannot pick more than 10 international players. But there is no such restriction for Indian players - RR picked a whole host of local players no one had even heard of. Someone needs to go out and do that for KKR. They appear to have a more elaborate process for choosing cheerleaders than players.

[ramshorns]

If the FakeIPL player is to be believed, SRK is already checking with Ricky Ponting whether he can take over as captain & be available for the whole of next season.

If Ponting is available, will commit to work on healing any supposed rift with the "locals", and most important of all -- gives it his all, he would make a very good choice.

Ponting seems to have more than a bee in his bonnet about the IPL. First he complained about the valuations. The he criticized the concept on multiple occasions. This year he dropped out altogether saying that it affects his playing for Australia. I respect that decision -- and bring it up only to ask if he is in the right mindset to enter this thing fully committed.

I am not for or against that move. I am just saying what the FakeIPL player mentioned. Having said that, I think his views may change if he is captain.

Ideally, for any team, I would prefer a local captain because his availability is certain through the tournament. Unless, of course, you have an ex-cricketer who is available full time (Gilly, Warne come to mind). SG can fall in that category ...but he has to demonstrate some degree of consistency in his primary role as a player first.

I dont think the solution for KKR (if they want to challenge for the title; improving on this time's performance cannot be the objective) is just a change of captain or coaching staff. They need to turn their squad upside down ...need much better players ...especially the Indian ones. Maybe if the ICL falls apart and many players accept the amnesty scheme, one could see some fresh talent up for grabs and these guys should go all out because, frankly, the ones they have now just dont cut it.

Next time around they will hopefully have Pujara back and assuming they are able to get Jhunjhunwala back from the ICL, they should also probably look to swap / buy Tiwary from Delhi (he is being underutilised there) ...throw Saha and Shukla in the mix and you have a good domestic nucleus to choose from. That should be the key focus area.

That encapsulates pretty much what KKR primary concern is.  They need to sought of overhaul their roster and not let a Chopra or Bangar occupy key middle order spots even for a game the same spots in better teams are occupied by players like Symonds, Bravo, YS, MSD etc.

[Blwe_torch]

Kolkata declines to comment on Jadeja revelation

May 12, 2009 19:57 IST

The Kolkata Knight Riders [Images] on Tuesday declined to comment on the sensational revelation by former Test cricketer Ajay Jadeja that racial discrimination is prevalent in the Shah Rukh [Images] Khan-owned side in the Indian Premier League [Images].

Jadeja said on Monday that an Indian player was asked to come off while fielding and when asked why he was called back, one of the assistant coaches said, "You bloody Indian, you do as you're told."

According to NDTV news channel, the player and coach involved are Test discard Ajit Agarkar [Images] and bowling coach Andy Bichel.

Asked for a reaction to Jadeja's comments, KKR director Joy Bhattacharya, who is in South Africa [Images], declined to comment.

But a team insider claimed that racial bias existed in the team which is languishing at the bottom of the table in the ongoing IPL.

The insider cited examples of Sourav Ganguly [Images] and Aakash Chopra, Sanjay Bangar among others and said: "Racial discrimination is clearly prevalent in the side. Ganguly was sacked as captain two days before Knight Riders first match... Chopra and Bangar were sent home by the Kolkata Knight Riders' management, after the fourth match."

When contacted, former India opener Chopra said: "I don't want to comment on this or on any other incident. Let the team management speak on this issue."

John Buchanan [Images], who heads the franchise's cricket operations, boasts of a long coaching staff that includes chief coach Matthew Mott, trainer Adrian Le Roux, physio Andrew Leipus, assistant coach Michael Buchanan, assistant coach Brad Murphy, wicketkeeping coach Wade Seccombe, fielding coach John Deeble, bowling coach Andy Bichel and cricket manager Joydeep Mukherjee.

World Cup winning Australian coach Buchanan also has his son Michael for a post which is termed as 'strength trainer'.
http://cricket.rediff.com/report/2009/may/12/kolkata-mum-on-jadeja-revelation.htm


.........I am wondering, what cheek this guy has, to be employed by Indians and then hurling racial taunts at Indians!

[ganavk]

Code: [Select]

[b]Kolkata declines to comment on Jadeja revelation[/b]

Jadeja said on Monday that an Indian player was asked to come off while fielding and when asked why he was called back, one of the assistant coaches said, "You bloody Indian, you do as you're told."

[b]According to NDTV news channel, the player and coach involved are Test discard Ajit Agarkar [Images] and bowling coach Andy Bichel.[/b]

This is wrong if this is correct.

The insider cited examples of Sourav Ganguly [Images] and Aakash Chopra, Sanjay Bangar among others and said: "Racial discrimination is clearly prevalent in the side. Ganguly was sacked as captain two days before Knight Riders first match... Chopra and Bangar were sent home by the Kolkata Knight Riders' management, after the fourth match."

This is a wrong example. None of these cases shows anything about racism unless you consider SRK /Joy etc are also racist 

[Blwe_torch]

One cannot comment anything, one way or the other. But there can be no smoke without fire.

[gouravk]

all i can say is if the indian players put up with this for the sake of the money they are getting they deserve every bit of the humiliation. 

[kingcool1432]

Jadeja said on Monday that an Indian player was asked to come off while fielding and when asked why he was called back, one of the assistant coaches said, "You bloody Indian, you do as you're told."

The language gets more colorful every day.

[Blwe_torch]

Jadeja said on Monday that an Indian player was asked to come off while fielding and when asked why he was called back, one of the assistant coaches said, "You bloody Indian, you do as you're told."

The language gets more colorful every day.

This additional word makes it more interesting.
I hope the version remains consistent over a period of time.
btw...which one is the really racist taunt...Indian or bloody?

It must be the tone and tenor.........................................where is Ramshorn, when we need to hear something in defense of the other side?

[WicketView]

Jadeja said on Monday that an Indian player was asked to come off while fielding and when asked why he was called back, one of the assistant coaches said, "You bloody Indian, you do as you're told."

The language gets more colorful every day.

Otherwise, how will journalists exhibit their creativity?

[ruchir]

SSL : your thoughts are reasonable and logical.

IMO, SRK will fire JB and his cronies - he is losing money with these idiots at the helm.

How is he losing money? Is there news that team sponsors are leaving KKR? It would be expected if it is so happening.

I also think he will not bring back SG.. something does not appear kosher between SG and SRK. Just my gut feel. If this comes true - I have to wonder what SG does that people develop this "not him at any cost" complex with him.

Consider this - SG managed to bring even the immensely business savvy SRK to his knees.    I mean there has to be something about SG post 2004, that hell rises wherever he goes.

[proloy]

Jadeja said on Monday that an Indian player was asked to come off while fielding and when asked why he was called back, one of the assistant coaches said, "You bloody Indian, you do as you're told."

The language gets more colorful every day.

Otherwise, how will journalists exhibit their creativity?

Kolkata Knights are well and truly a divided house. On one hand they have the riders; on the other they have the deriders...

[WicketView]

Jadeja said on Monday that an Indian player was asked to come off while fielding and when asked why he was called back, one of the assistant coaches said, "You bloody Indian, you do as you're told."

The language gets more colorful every day.

Otherwise, how will journalists exhibit their creativity?

Kolkata Knights are well and truly a divided house. On one hand they have the riders; on the other they have the deriders...

[dextrous]

SSL : your thoughts are reasonable and logical.

IMO, SRK will fire JB and his cronies - he is losing money with these idiots at the helm.

How is he losing money? Is there news that team sponsors are leaving KKR? It would be expected if it is so happening.

I also think he will not bring back SG.. something does not appear kosher between SG and SRK. Just my gut feel. If this comes true - I have to wonder what SG does that people develop this "not him at any cost" complex with him.

Consider this - SG managed to bring even the immensely business savvy SRK to his knees.    I mean there has to be something about SG post 2004, that hell rises wherever he goes.

WN...i think its his ethical values

SRK wrongfully wanted tax breaks...and SG wouldn't use his contacts to help him...it is clear that that's how this rift started

[ganavk]

SSL : your thoughts are reasonable and logical.

IMO, SRK will fire JB and his cronies - he is losing money with these idiots at the helm.

How is he losing money? Is there news that team sponsors are leaving KKR? It would be expected if it is so happening.

I also think he will not bring back SG.. something does not appear kosher between SG and SRK. Just my gut feel. If this comes true - I have to wonder what SG does that people develop this "not him at any cost" complex with him.

Consider this - SG managed to bring even the immensely business savvy SRK to his knees.    I mean there has to be something about SG post 2004, that hell rises wherever he goes.

WN...i think its his ethical values

SRK wrongfully wanted tax breaks...and SG wouldn't use his contacts to help him...it is clear that that's how this rift started

pardon my ignorance. How is that so clear ?

[dextrous]

SSL : your thoughts are reasonable and logical.

IMO, SRK will fire JB and his cronies - he is losing money with these idiots at the helm.

How is he losing money? Is there news that team sponsors are leaving KKR? It would be expected if it is so happening.

I also think he will not bring back SG.. something does not appear kosher between SG and SRK. Just my gut feel. If this comes true - I have to wonder what SG does that people develop this "not him at any cost" complex with him.

Consider this - SG managed to bring even the immensely business savvy SRK to his knees.    I mean there has to be something about SG post 2004, that hell rises wherever he goes.

WN...i think its his ethical values

SRK wrongfully wanted tax breaks...and SG wouldn't use his contacts to help him...it is clear that that's how this rift started

pardon my ignorance. How is that so clear ?

I read the DG regularly

[keep-it-cool]

Jadeja said on Monday that an Indian player was asked to come off while fielding and when asked why he was called back, one of the assistant coaches said, "You bloody Indian, you do as you're told."

The language gets more colorful every day.

Otherwise, how will journalists exhibit their creativity?

Maybe next time we'll have "you bloody Indian monkey"

And then there will be the clarification - Agarkar had cut himself & was bleeding and monkey is anyway a God in India.

Btw ..on a different note ...if Bichel really called Agarkar that, I am sure a lot of true KKR fans would be lining up to embrace him after yesterday's match.

[Blwe_torch]

Jadeja said on Monday that an Indian player was asked to come off while fielding and when asked why he was called back, one of the assistant coaches said, "You bloody Indian, you do as you're told."

The language gets more colorful every day.

Otherwise, how will journalists exhibit their creativity?

Maybe next time we'll have "you bloody Indian monkey"

And then there will be the clarification - Agarkar had cut himself & was bleeding and monkey is anyway a God in India.

Btw ..on a different note ...if Bichel really called Agarkar that, I am sure a lot of true KKR fans would be lining up to embrace him after yesterday's match.

Ofcourse......all for the stupendous feat of digesting a fortune and imparting such wonderful training to the KKR bowlers!

[keep-it-cool]

Jadeja said on Monday that an Indian player was asked to come off while fielding and when asked why he was called back, one of the assistant coaches said, "You bloody Indian, you do as you're told."

The language gets more colorful every day.

Otherwise, how will journalists exhibit their creativity?

Maybe next time we'll have "you bloody Indian monkey"

And then there will be the clarification - Agarkar had cut himself & was bleeding and monkey is anyway a God in India.

Btw ..on a different note ...if Bichel really called Agarkar that, I am sure a lot of true KKR fans would be lining up to embrace him after yesterday's match.

Ofcourse......all for the stupendous feat of digesting a fortune and imparting such wonderful training to the KKR bowlers!

You dont teach Ajit Agarkar. He is what he is. He does what he does. You just cross your fingers and pray. Maybe Bichel did not pray hard enough.

[gouravk]

the b***hel should remember adelaide 2003 when agarkar dismissed him and won india the game while the b***hel was being raped by dravid and laxman.

[ganavk]

SSL : your thoughts are reasonable and logical.

IMO, SRK will fire JB and his cronies - he is losing money with these idiots at the helm.

How is he losing money? Is there news that team sponsors are leaving KKR? It would be expected if it is so happening.

I also think he will not bring back SG.. something does not appear kosher between SG and SRK. Just my gut feel. If this comes true - I have to wonder what SG does that people develop this "not him at any cost" complex with him.

Consider this - SG managed to bring even the immensely business savvy SRK to his knees.    I mean there has to be something about SG post 2004, that hell rises wherever he goes.

WN...i think its his ethical values

SRK wrongfully wanted tax breaks...and SG wouldn't use his contacts to help him...it is clear that that's how this rift started

pardon my ignorance. How is that so clear ?

I read the DG regularly

audacity of assumption!