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[Blwe_torch]

'You Indian, you do what I ask you to do'
11 May 2009, 2058 hrs IST, PTI 

NEW DELHI: Former Test cricketer Ajay Jadeja made a sensational claim, saying Indian players were being ill-treated by foreign staff of the beleaguered Kolkata Knight Riders in their own domestic IPL, going on in South Africa.

Jadeja hinted that a member of the KKR foreign coaching staff had racial overtones to his language used for an Indian player during the tournament, which has not seen the team winning barring in one match where they triumphed via Duckworth-Lewis method.

"You don't need blogger (to know this)," he said in an apparent reference to the 'FakeIPLplayer' blogsite.

"I can assure you that there is definitely a divide and Indian players are (being) treated very badly." Jadeja said in a TV programme.

"I am an Indian player. I know so many players in the team (Kolkata Knight Riders Team). One player was asked to come off the field and when he came off the field he asked "Why did you want me to come off the field? One of the coaches in KKR says 'You Indian, you do what I ask you to do'," he said.

Jadeja insisted his claims were true, saying he had the information from horses mouth and that the team was not more than a divided house.

"So there is definitely a divide. I know it from the source himself. So the players are not feeling comfortable.

"There is divide between Indian and foreign player and there is a divide between thought process. I mean Sourav Ganguly has a different thought process and you can see that. So this team is divided. There is no doubt about it," he added.

The KKR team is dealing with controversies way before the start of the tournament when their coach John Buchanan proposed the multiple-captain theory. They have lost eight of their 10 matches so far.

There is also a tell-all blog on team's activities, adding to insult to its injuries, although the authenticity of the blog is still in doubt.
http://ipl.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/4510767.cms

[ruchir]

Horrible, if true. But if true, why are the players quite? If true, I would expect Dada to raise hell and stand up for others. If Dada talked, people would listen.

[Cover Point]

now we are going to believe match fixers?

[WicketView]

Horrible, if true. But if true, why are the players quite? If true, I would expect Dada to raise hell and stand up for others. If Dada talked, people would listen.

Yup. One has no business taking that kind of *. Particularly in this context.

[dextrous]

Horrible, if true. But if true, why are the players quite? If true, I would expect Dada to raise hell and stand up for others. If Dada talked, people would listen.

they would? i think a dozen threads will be started to malign him and say he's got an ax to grind

[Blwe_torch]

now we are going to believe match fixers?

atleast believe in a fellow Delhiite!

[Blwe_torch]

Horrible, if true. But if true, why are the players quite? If true, I would expect Dada to raise hell and stand up for others. If Dada talked, people would listen.

Yup. One has no business taking that kind of *. Particularly in this context.

Goes to show the kind of insecurity some players must be feeling.

[Blwe_torch]

Tell you something...I can almost expect a few over here to come in support of the errant phoren coaches. We Indians have been always submissive to foreigners...be it the europeans, americans or the central asians, way back. No wonder, they ruled our country so long!

[12th_Man]

The discrimination has been clearly visible if you look how the desi (asian)players have been played in game vs. NZ and Aus players since the games started.
After a time I geave  up hope on the team delivering because it never seemed a team to me.
Most of my recent posts in KKR thread have been on similar lines that how are theses Desi players systematically being shown as unimportant and not being used wisely.
You don't need Jadeja to point this out, There have been enough indicators thrrown out.
I had also said at the start, the multi captain theory even if successful will also divide the team in long term rather unite it as all four captins will have their own favourites and vice versa.
Anyway, hope there is some clause in contract where they can fire the coaches for non performance of team.

[RicePlateReddy]

Money will talk. The ridiculous performance of the team will have (has had?) serious financial consequences - which fan in their right mind would want to be affiliated with this team?

The coach and supporting staff will be thrown out by end of the season. So they might as well behave like fools in the shrinking window they have, and show their true colors.

I think Sourav is all set to do a Shane Warne on KKR v3.0.

[Blwe_torch]

The discrimination has been clearly visible if you look how the desi (asian)players have been played in game vs. NZ and Aus players since the games started.
After a time I geave  up hope on the team delivering because it never seemed a team to me.
Most of my recent posts in KKR thread have been on similar lines that how are theses Desi players systematically being shown as unimportant and not being used wisely.
You don't need Jadeja to point this out, There have been enough indicators thrrown out.
I had also said at the start, the multi captain theory even if successful will also divide the team in long term rather unite it as all four captins will have their own favourites and vice versa.
Anyway, hope there is some clause in contract where they can fire the coaches for non performance of team.

I can see guys like LRS and Saha have vanished into oblivion. Their contribution has been miniscule...unlike last year, when Ganguly was truly in charge of the team.
So much for profound concepts!

[ramshorns]

Money will talk. The ridiculous performance of the team will have (has had?) serious financial consequences - which fan in their right mind would want to be affiliated with this team?

The coach and supporting staff will be thrown out by end of the season. So they might as well behave like fools in the shrinking window they have, and show their true colors.

I think Sourav is all set to do a Shane Warne on KKR v3.0.

SSL:With respect to what?   He was at the helm last year is'nt he?  And they finished 6th.  Or was that coach's fault too?

I think KKR needs to look beyond JB and Ganguly if they are to do anything in the IPL.   

They need to scout better for starters.  Just like DC did they need to get someone like a Lehmann or Rajput to fix things for them and start from the scartch and build from bottom up.   Ofcouse Ganguly should be kept in the loop and his inputs certainly should be taken.

But as a captain and a player I do not think Ganguly is the answer for this team. 

[kban1]

SSL:With respect to what?  He was at the helm last year is'nt he?  And they finished 6th.  Or was that coach's fault too?

So was the coach who had his preferences.

[gouravk]

unfortunately sourav is not going to be able to do anything next year irrespective of buchanan staying or going. this is becoz it is going to be hard to stay away from cricket for a year maintain the motivation and the fitness to come back. it is not impossible. gilly did it. but its hard. he should play domestic cricket for bengal if he is really intent on doing this.

[WicketView]

now we are going to believe match fixers?

atleast believe in a fellow Delhiite!

I think this is a very serious issue either way, if this happened or if the accusations are false.
So to both of you, I request that the jokes be for less serious threads.

[CLR James]

This team is certainly falling apart isn't it?

I do have my doubts about whether the epithet "Indian" was indeed used as part of a racist statement. It would be too obvious and banal in our times. Maybe what was reported to Jadeja was with added color  (pun intended). But what is amply clear (as 12th man put it) is the fact that Indians in the team are feeling persecuted by the current management. Maybe the statement reported was just an arrogant bark that post-colonial people are sensitive to. I find it difficult to believe that without grounds and without popular support within the team, a cricketer would dare to take it to the fraternity and the grapevine.

[gouravk]

this team is indeed falling apart ... and i'm LOVING it !!! 

[ramshorns]

SSL:With respect to what?  He was at the helm last year is'nt he?  And they finished 6th.  Or was that coach's fault too?

So was the coach who had his preferences.

Ofcourse the coach should be the first one out.

But my response was to SSL who was hoping for a KKR version 3 repeat of RR from version one by Ganguly.

[gouravk]

the coach is mott or mutt whichever way you like

the one who should be first out is bhookha-naan !!! 

[ramshorns]

the coach is mott or mutt whichever way you like

the one who should be first out is bhookha-naan !!! 

I meant all of them from JB all the way down.

[Cover Point]

now we are going to believe match fixers?

atleast believe in a fellow Delhiite!

but Jadeja is not a Delhi - ite. We kick out such trash!

[proloy]

Maybe the statement reported was just an arrogant bark that post-colonial people are sensitive to.

As in: "You coolie, you do what I ask you to do"...?

May be he said: "You bugger, you do as I ask you", which our lowbrain cricketer may have heard as "You bag-ger, you do as I ask you", and understood bag-ger = coolie. He then just euphemistically reported coolie as "Indian". You never know. Folks like Inzamam have always had trouble with the English language...

[12th_Man]

Maybe the statement reported was just an arrogant bark that post-colonial people are sensitive to.

As in: "You coolie, you do what I ask you to do"...?

I don't think they(accused coach(es)) even took the time to know or familiarise names of the Indian players from KKR.
While Jadega seems to have heard it from horses mouth, but seems like too much if he tries to abuse by using the term, considering the team is owned by Indian.

[ramshorns]

'You Indian, you do what I ask you to do'
11 May 2009, 2058 hrs IST, PTI 

NEW DELHI: Former Test cricketer Ajay Jadeja made a sensational claim, saying Indian players were being ill-treated by foreign staff of the beleaguered Kolkata Knight Riders in their own domestic IPL, going on in South Africa.

Jadeja hinted that a member of the KKR foreign coaching staff had racial overtones to his language used for an Indian player during the tournament, which has not seen the team winning barring in one match where they triumphed via Duckworth-Lewis method.

"You don't need blogger (to know this)," he said in an apparent reference to the 'FakeIPLplayer' blogsite.

"I can assure you that there is definitely a divide and Indian players are (being) treated very badly." Jadeja said in a TV programme.

"I am an Indian player. I know so many players in the team (Kolkata Knight Riders Team). One player was asked to come off the field and when he came off the field he asked "Why did you want me to come off the field? One of the coaches in KKR says 'You Indian, you do what I ask you to do'," he said.

Jadeja insisted his claims were true, saying he had the information from horses mouth and that the team was not more than a divided house.

"So there is definitely a divide. I know it from the source himself. So the players are not feeling comfortable.

"There is divide between Indian and foreign player and there is a divide between thought process. I mean Sourav Ganguly has a different thought process and you can see that. So this team is divided. There is no doubt about it," he added.

The KKR team is dealing with controversies way before the start of the tournament when their coach John Buchanan proposed the multiple-captain theory. They have lost eight of their 10 matches so far.

There is also a tell-all blog on team's activities, adding to insult to its injuries, although the authenticity of the blog is still in doubt.
http://ipl.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/4510767.cms

I would not overreact to all this and I do not think it is a norm across all teams.   With losing every little thing gets exaggarated and there is finger pointing and as such.  KKR is a mess and I expect such stories and allegations in the coming days.  They need to dealt with accordingly.

I just got off a quick call to India with my source who had talked to SA after the DC win.   One happy unit.  Contrary to all the mess in the KKR ranks it is quite different.   Lehmann another Australian primarily let Suman, Teja, Ojha, Rao, Shoaib all locals as local can get took them under his wings gave them a free hand gave them space and under Gilly they are doing great.   And it shows in the results.

And I read yesterday in 'The Hindu' when SRT literally sing praises of Pollock and Rhodes and vice-versa.

And we all know the love affair between Warne and RR and how Warne trusted the local Indian talent more than any one would.

So we have to analyse things with emotions removed and then make a call.

[WicketView]

'You Indian, you do what I ask you to do'
11 May 2009, 2058 hrs IST, PTI 

NEW DELHI: Former Test cricketer Ajay Jadeja made a sensational claim, saying Indian players were being ill-treated by foreign staff of the beleaguered Kolkata Knight Riders in their own domestic IPL, going on in South Africa.

Jadeja hinted that a member of the KKR foreign coaching staff had racial overtones to his language used for an Indian player during the tournament, which has not seen the team winning barring in one match where they triumphed via Duckworth-Lewis method.

"You don't need blogger (to know this)," he said in an apparent reference to the 'FakeIPLplayer' blogsite.

"I can assure you that there is definitely a divide and Indian players are (being) treated very badly." Jadeja said in a TV programme.

"I am an Indian player. I know so many players in the team (Kolkata Knight Riders Team). One player was asked to come off the field and when he came off the field he asked "Why did you want me to come off the field? One of the coaches in KKR says 'You Indian, you do what I ask you to do'," he said.

Jadeja insisted his claims were true, saying he had the information from horses mouth and that the team was not more than a divided house.

"So there is definitely a divide. I know it from the source himself. So the players are not feeling comfortable.

"There is divide between Indian and foreign player and there is a divide between thought process. I mean Sourav Ganguly has a different thought process and you can see that. So this team is divided. There is no doubt about it," he added.

The KKR team is dealing with controversies way before the start of the tournament when their coach John Buchanan proposed the multiple-captain theory. They have lost eight of their 10 matches so far.

There is also a tell-all blog on team's activities, adding to insult to its injuries, although the authenticity of the blog is still in doubt.
http://ipl.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/4510767.cms

I would not overreact to all this and I do not think it is a norm across all teams.   With losing every little thing gets exaggarted and there is finger pointing and as such.  KKR is a mess and I expect such stories and allegations in the coming days.  They need to dealt with accordingly.

I just got off a quick call to India with my source who had talked to SA after the DC win.   One happy unit.  Contrary to all the mess in the KKR ranks it is quite different.   Lehmann another Australian primarily let Suman, Teja, Ojha, Rao, Shoaib all locals as local can get took them under his wings gave them a free hand gave them space and under Gilly they are doing great.   And it shows in the results.

And I read yesterday in 'The Hindu' when SRT literally sing praises of Pollock and Rhodes and vice-versa.

And we all know the love affair between Warne and RR and how Warne trusted the local Indian talent more than any one would.

So we have to analyse things with emotions removed and then make a call.

While the allegations are far from verified, no one should be convicted. And if the allegations turn out to be false, Jadeja must be taken to task. However, your post seems quite meaningless. Indeed, racism is not an expected quality today, and one would therefore to be shocked to hear that one person do it. Your post is like saying that since none of us discussing this have committed the crime of murder (I suppose ), any murder accused could not have committed it. The KKR and DC management have been run differently ... could be for cricketing reasons, I would assume till proved otherwise. Say something about the people involved in KKR and that would be sensible. 

[ramshorns]

'You Indian, you do what I ask you to do'
11 May 2009, 2058 hrs IST, PTI 

NEW DELHI: Former Test cricketer Ajay Jadeja made a sensational claim, saying Indian players were being ill-treated by foreign staff of the beleaguered Kolkata Knight Riders in their own domestic IPL, going on in South Africa.

Jadeja hinted that a member of the KKR foreign coaching staff had racial overtones to his language used for an Indian player during the tournament, which has not seen the team winning barring in one match where they triumphed via Duckworth-Lewis method.

"You don't need blogger (to know this)," he said in an apparent reference to the 'FakeIPLplayer' blogsite.

"I can assure you that there is definitely a divide and Indian players are (being) treated very badly." Jadeja said in a TV programme.

"I am an Indian player. I know so many players in the team (Kolkata Knight Riders Team). One player was asked to come off the field and when he came off the field he asked "Why did you want me to come off the field? One of the coaches in KKR says 'You Indian, you do what I ask you to do'," he said.

Jadeja insisted his claims were true, saying he had the information from horses mouth and that the team was not more than a divided house.

"So there is definitely a divide. I know it from the source himself. So the players are not feeling comfortable.

"There is divide between Indian and foreign player and there is a divide between thought process. I mean Sourav Ganguly has a different thought process and you can see that. So this team is divided. There is no doubt about it," he added.

The KKR team is dealing with controversies way before the start of the tournament when their coach John Buchanan proposed the multiple-captain theory. They have lost eight of their 10 matches so far.

There is also a tell-all blog on team's activities, adding to insult to its injuries, although the authenticity of the blog is still in doubt.
http://ipl.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/4510767.cms

I would not overreact to all this and I do not think it is a norm across all teams.   With losing every little thing gets exaggarted and there is finger pointing and as such.  KKR is a mess and I expect such stories and allegations in the coming days.  They need to dealt with accordingly.

I just got off a quick call to India with my source who had talked to SA after the DC win.   One happy unit.  Contrary to all the mess in the KKR ranks it is quite different.   Lehmann another Australian primarily let Suman, Teja, Ojha, Rao, Shoaib all locals as local can get took them under his wings gave them a free hand gave them space and under Gilly they are doing great.   And it shows in the results.

And I read yesterday in 'The Hindu' when SRT literally sing praises of Pollock and Rhodes and vice-versa.

And we all know the love affair between Warne and RR and how Warne trusted the local Indian talent more than any one would.

So we have to analyse things with emotions removed and then make a call.

While the allegations are far from verified, no one should be convicted. And if the allegations turn out to be false, Jadeja must be taken to task. However, your post seems quite meaningless. Indeed, racism is not an expected quality today, and one would therefore to be shocked to hear that one person do it. Your post is like saying that since none of us discussing this have committed the crime of murder (I suppose ), any murder accused could not have committed it. The KKR and DC management have been run differently ... could be for cricketing reasons, I would assume till proved otherwise. Say something about the people involved in KKR and that would be sensible.

I think you have a tendency sometimes to not really get to the underlying reason for why someone is saying or wrote what they wrote.  Anyway's you can go on and on about racism and analogies.  I am sure there are others here who can see a merit in what I am saying and what I said could be very appropriate for the KKR scenario Jadeja projected.

Also a cue if some reads few of the posts on this thread it was meant to sound that was the case across the board where Indian players playing for foreign coached are indeed treated as such.  It was more to challenge that notion I did say what I said.

[ganavk]

Horrible, if true. But if true, why are the players quite? If true, I would expect Dada to raise hell and stand up for others. If Dada talked, people would listen.

they would? i think a dozen threads will be started to malign him and say he's got an ax to grind

you are more worried about the thread 

[kban1]

The Fake IPL player adds his two cents:


"Some of you have expressed your surprise and shock about an ex-cricketer's comment on the supposed racist remark made by Bhookha. Well, I am surprised that it comes as a shock to you. More than 2 weeks ago I had written about the clear and visible class system in our team. Why do you think Shakespeare and Ganji were packed off in a hurry? Why do you think I was so upset about their departure? Why do you think that there was a near-mutiny in the ranks after that? Shakespeare bore some brunt of it and the most offensive statement to him, by the way, wasn't spoken by Bhookha himself, but someone else in the coaching staff. I think Shakespeare is the one who's had the chat with the ex-cricketer."

[dextrous]

Horrible, if true. But if true, why are the players quite? If true, I would expect Dada to raise hell and stand up for others. If Dada talked, people would listen.

they would? i think a dozen threads will be started to malign him and say he's got an ax to grind

you are more worried about the thread 

worried? no.
just simply saying, as displayed in your post above, that you'd badger sg no matter what

[WicketView]

'You Indian, you do what I ask you to do'
11 May 2009, 2058 hrs IST, PTI 

NEW DELHI: Former Test cricketer Ajay Jadeja made a sensational claim, saying Indian players were being ill-treated by foreign staff of the beleaguered Kolkata Knight Riders in their own domestic IPL, going on in South Africa.

Jadeja hinted that a member of the KKR foreign coaching staff had racial overtones to his language used for an Indian player during the tournament, which has not seen the team winning barring in one match where they triumphed via Duckworth-Lewis method.

"You don't need blogger (to know this)," he said in an apparent reference to the 'FakeIPLplayer' blogsite.

"I can assure you that there is definitely a divide and Indian players are (being) treated very badly." Jadeja said in a TV programme.

"I am an Indian player. I know so many players in the team (Kolkata Knight Riders Team). One player was asked to come off the field and when he came off the field he asked "Why did you want me to come off the field? One of the coaches in KKR says 'You Indian, you do what I ask you to do'," he said.

Jadeja insisted his claims were true, saying he had the information from horses mouth and that the team was not more than a divided house.

"So there is definitely a divide. I know it from the source himself. So the players are not feeling comfortable.

"There is divide between Indian and foreign player and there is a divide between thought process. I mean Sourav Ganguly has a different thought process and you can see that. So this team is divided. There is no doubt about it," he added.

The KKR team is dealing with controversies way before the start of the tournament when their coach John Buchanan proposed the multiple-captain theory. They have lost eight of their 10 matches so far.

There is also a tell-all blog on team's activities, adding to insult to its injuries, although the authenticity of the blog is still in doubt.
http://ipl.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/4510767.cms

I would not overreact to all this and I do not think it is a norm across all teams.   With losing every little thing gets exaggarted and there is finger pointing and as such.  KKR is a mess and I expect such stories and allegations in the coming days.  They need to dealt with accordingly.

I just got off a quick call to India with my source who had talked to SA after the DC win.   One happy unit.  Contrary to all the mess in the KKR ranks it is quite different.   Lehmann another Australian primarily let Suman, Teja, Ojha, Rao, Shoaib all locals as local can get took them under his wings gave them a free hand gave them space and under Gilly they are doing great.   And it shows in the results.

And I read yesterday in 'The Hindu' when SRT literally sing praises of Pollock and Rhodes and vice-versa.

And we all know the love affair between Warne and RR and how Warne trusted the local Indian talent more than any one would.

So we have to analyse things with emotions removed and then make a call.

While the allegations are far from verified, no one should be convicted. And if the allegations turn out to be false, Jadeja must be taken to task. However, your post seems quite meaningless. Indeed, racism is not an expected quality today, and one would therefore to be shocked to hear that one person do it. Your post is like saying that since none of us discussing this have committed the crime of murder (I suppose ), any murder accused could not have committed it. The KKR and DC management have been run differently ... could be for cricketing reasons, I would assume till proved otherwise. Say something about the people involved in KKR and that would be sensible.

I think you have a tendency sometimes to not really get to the underlying reason for why someone is saying or wrote what they wrote.   Anyway's you can go on and on about racism and analogies.  I am sure there are others here who can see a merit in what I am saying and what I said could be very appropriate for the KKR scenario Jadeja projected.

Also a cue if some reads few of the posts on this thread it was meant to sound that was the case across the board where Indian players playing for foreign coached are indeed treated as such.  It was more to challenge that notion I did say what I said.

Maybe you would be so kind as to quote the few posts on this thread that were meant to sound as though all the non-Indian coaches/players are racists. This practice  makes the underlying motivation clear, and clarifies which people you are replying to. I think that such a practice is often helpful.

[ramshorns]

'You Indian, you do what I ask you to do'
11 May 2009, 2058 hrs IST, PTI 

NEW DELHI: Former Test cricketer Ajay Jadeja made a sensational claim, saying Indian players were being ill-treated by foreign staff of the beleaguered Kolkata Knight Riders in their own domestic IPL, going on in South Africa.

Jadeja hinted that a member of the KKR foreign coaching staff had racial overtones to his language used for an Indian player during the tournament, which has not seen the team winning barring in one match where they triumphed via Duckworth-Lewis method.

"You don't need blogger (to know this)," he said in an apparent reference to the 'FakeIPLplayer' blogsite.

"I can assure you that there is definitely a divide and Indian players are (being) treated very badly." Jadeja said in a TV programme.

"I am an Indian player. I know so many players in the team (Kolkata Knight Riders Team). One player was asked to come off the field and when he came off the field he asked "Why did you want me to come off the field? One of the coaches in KKR says 'You Indian, you do what I ask you to do'," he said.

Jadeja insisted his claims were true, saying he had the information from horses mouth and that the team was not more than a divided house.

"So there is definitely a divide. I know it from the source himself. So the players are not feeling comfortable.

"There is divide between Indian and foreign player and there is a divide between thought process. I mean Sourav Ganguly has a different thought process and you can see that. So this team is divided. There is no doubt about it," he added.

The KKR team is dealing with controversies way before the start of the tournament when their coach John Buchanan proposed the multiple-captain theory. They have lost eight of their 10 matches so far.

There is also a tell-all blog on team's activities, adding to insult to its injuries, although the authenticity of the blog is still in doubt.
http://ipl.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/4510767.cms

I would not overreact to all this and I do not think it is a norm across all teams.   With losing every little thing gets exaggarted and there is finger pointing and as such.  KKR is a mess and I expect such stories and allegations in the coming days.  They need to dealt with accordingly.

I just got off a quick call to India with my source who had talked to SA after the DC win.   One happy unit.  Contrary to all the mess in the KKR ranks it is quite different.   Lehmann another Australian primarily let Suman, Teja, Ojha, Rao, Shoaib all locals as local can get took them under his wings gave them a free hand gave them space and under Gilly they are doing great.   And it shows in the results.

And I read yesterday in 'The Hindu' when SRT literally sing praises of Pollock and Rhodes and vice-versa.

And we all know the love affair between Warne and RR and how Warne trusted the local Indian talent more than any one would.

So we have to analyse things with emotions removed and then make a call.

While the allegations are far from verified, no one should be convicted. And if the allegations turn out to be false, Jadeja must be taken to task. However, your post seems quite meaningless. Indeed, racism is not an expected quality today, and one would therefore to be shocked to hear that one person do it. Your post is like saying that since none of us discussing this have committed the crime of murder (I suppose ), any murder accused could not have committed it. The KKR and DC management have been run differently ... could be for cricketing reasons, I would assume till proved otherwise. Say something about the people involved in KKR and that would be sensible.

I think you have a tendency sometimes to not really get to the underlying reason for why someone is saying or wrote what they wrote.   Anyway's you can go on and on about racism and analogies.  I am sure there are others here who can see a merit in what I am saying and what I said could be very appropriate for the KKR scenario Jadeja projected.

Also a cue if some reads few of the posts on this thread it was meant to sound that was the case across the board where Indian players playing for foreign coached are indeed treated as such.  It was more to challenge that notion I did say what I said.

Maybe you would be so kind as to quote the few posts on this thread that were meant to sound as though all the non-Indian coaches/players are racists. This practice  makes the underlying motivation clear, and clarifies which people you are replying to. I think that such a practice is often helpful.

I was looking at #7 and #8 and based on that I thought it will be appropriate to expand it to beyond KKR and go around the league.

[WicketView]

'You Indian, you do what I ask you to do'
11 May 2009, 2058 hrs IST, PTI 

NEW DELHI: Former Test cricketer Ajay Jadeja made a sensational claim, saying Indian players were being ill-treated by foreign staff of the beleaguered Kolkata Knight Riders in their own domestic IPL, going on in South Africa.

Jadeja hinted that a member of the KKR foreign coaching staff had racial overtones to his language used for an Indian player during the tournament, which has not seen the team winning barring in one match where they triumphed via Duckworth-Lewis method.

"You don't need blogger (to know this)," he said in an apparent reference to the 'FakeIPLplayer' blogsite.

"I can assure you that there is definitely a divide and Indian players are (being) treated very badly." Jadeja said in a TV programme.

"I am an Indian player. I know so many players in the team (Kolkata Knight Riders Team). One player was asked to come off the field and when he came off the field he asked "Why did you want me to come off the field? One of the coaches in KKR says 'You Indian, you do what I ask you to do'," he said.

Jadeja insisted his claims were true, saying he had the information from horses mouth and that the team was not more than a divided house.

"So there is definitely a divide. I know it from the source himself. So the players are not feeling comfortable.

"There is divide between Indian and foreign player and there is a divide between thought process. I mean Sourav Ganguly has a different thought process and you can see that. So this team is divided. There is no doubt about it," he added.

The KKR team is dealing with controversies way before the start of the tournament when their coach John Buchanan proposed the multiple-captain theory. They have lost eight of their 10 matches so far.

There is also a tell-all blog on team's activities, adding to insult to its injuries, although the authenticity of the blog is still in doubt.
http://ipl.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/4510767.cms

I would not overreact to all this and I do not think it is a norm across all teams.   With losing every little thing gets exaggarted and there is finger pointing and as such.  KKR is a mess and I expect such stories and allegations in the coming days.  They need to dealt with accordingly.

I just got off a quick call to India with my source who had talked to SA after the DC win.   One happy unit.  Contrary to all the mess in the KKR ranks it is quite different.   Lehmann another Australian primarily let Suman, Teja, Ojha, Rao, Shoaib all locals as local can get took them under his wings gave them a free hand gave them space and under Gilly they are doing great.   And it shows in the results.

And I read yesterday in 'The Hindu' when SRT literally sing praises of Pollock and Rhodes and vice-versa.

And we all know the love affair between Warne and RR and how Warne trusted the local Indian talent more than any one would.

So we have to analyse things with emotions removed and then make a call.

While the allegations are far from verified, no one should be convicted. And if the allegations turn out to be false, Jadeja must be taken to task. However, your post seems quite meaningless. Indeed, racism is not an expected quality today, and one would therefore to be shocked to hear that one person do it. Your post is like saying that since none of us discussing this have committed the crime of murder (I suppose ), any murder accused could not have committed it. The KKR and DC management have been run differently ... could be for cricketing reasons, I would assume till proved otherwise. Say something about the people involved in KKR and that would be sensible.

I think you have a tendency sometimes to not really get to the underlying reason for why someone is saying or wrote what they wrote.   Anyway's you can go on and on about racism and analogies.  I am sure there are others here who can see a merit in what I am saying and what I said could be very appropriate for the KKR scenario Jadeja projected.

Also a cue if some reads few of the posts on this thread it was meant to sound that was the case across the board where Indian players playing for foreign coached are indeed treated as such.  It was more to challenge that notion I did say what I said.

Maybe you would be so kind as to quote the few posts on this thread that were meant to sound as though all the non-Indian coaches/players are racists. This practice  makes the underlying motivation clear, and clarifies which people you are replying to. I think that such a practice is often helpful.

I was looking at #7 and #8 and based on that I thought it will be appropriate to expand it to beyond KKR and go around the league.

Very interesting interpretation indeed, I would have had trouble thinking that when reading those posts. Hence, quoting/pointing out the post numbers is and would be most helpful.

[ganavk]

Horrible, if true. But if true, why are the players quite? If true, I would expect Dada to raise hell and stand up for others. If Dada talked, people would listen.

they would? i think a dozen threads will be started to malign him and say he's got an ax to grind

you are more worried about the thread 

worried? no.
just simply saying, as displayed in your post above, that you'd badger sg no matter what

My post above.. This is my first post on this thread...sorry would be enough!

[ruchir]

Horrible, if true. But if true, why are the players quite? If true, I would expect Dada to raise hell and stand up for others. If Dada talked, people would listen.

they would? i think a dozen threads will be started to malign him and say he's got an ax to grind

By people, I meant to say public/media in India and SRK  . As for threads starting here, there is nothing that can be done to stop them, so why worry? 

[gouravk]

if the players really are keeping quiet they deserve to be abused 

[RicePlateReddy]

Money will talk. The ridiculous performance of the team will have (has had?) serious financial consequences - which fan in their right mind would want to be affiliated with this team?

The coach and supporting staff will be thrown out by end of the season. So they might as well behave like fools in the shrinking window they have, and show their true colors.

I think Sourav is all set to do a Shane Warne on KKR v3.0.

SSL:With respect to what?   He was at the helm last year is'nt he?  And they finished 6th.  Or was that coach's fault too?

I think KKR needs to look beyond JB and Ganguly if they are to do anything in the IPL.   

They need to scout better for starters.  Just like DC did they need to get someone like a Lehmann or Rajput to fix things for them and start from the scartch and build from bottom up.   Ofcouse Ganguly should be kept in the loop and his inputs certainly should be taken.

But as a captain and a player I do not think Ganguly is the answer for this team.

I think Buchanan has thoroughly failed. True the players also need to cop some blame, but he needs to take the brunt of it for making philosophical pronouncements, pushing for changes, and coming up totally empty.

I think he will pay for this with his job. Considering he brought in his support coterie, they too will likely get the boot and deservedly so.

Since Ganguly has been a successful captain, and by general consensus did a fine job captaining the Indian team, he would be a natural choice if there is a leadership change. The fact that he was at odds with this current management gives him a major leg up on the competition. If he is willing, I think the captaincy for next season would be his.

As far as his individual skills exclusive of captaincy in T20 - I think he easily falls in the average IPL batsman category. He has shown enough to merit a place in the team purely on batting / part-time bowling performance. So if KKR can tap his leadership skills, he makes for a very persuasive pick.

I think it is fair to say he might display the motivational skills that Shane Warne has shown for the Rajasthan Royals. I don't know if KKR will fare as well as the Royals (there is the baggage of this latest wretched season to overcome), but I would be very surprised if the next season isn't significantly better than the previous two.

All prognosticating junk though - se need to simply wait and see!

[LosingNow]

SSL : your thoughts are reasonable and logical.

IMO, SRK will fire JB and his cronies - he is losing money with these idiots at the helm.

I also think he will not bring back SG.. something does not appear kosher between SG and SRK. Just my gut feel. If this comes true - I have to wonder what SG does that people develop this "not him at any cost" complex with him.

[ramshorns]

SSL : your thoughts are reasonable and logical.

IMO, SRK will fire JB and his cronies - he is losing money with these idiots at the helm.

I also think he will not bring back SG.. something does not appear kosher between SG and SRK. Just my gut feel. If this comes true - I have to wonder what SG does that people develop this "not him at any cost" complex with him.

Based on cricketing merits alone SRK should not bring back SG as the captain.  SG a year from now will find it even more tough in the 20-20 format when I see the way things are going overall in the IPL.  So bringing him back as captain involves huge risk and SRK should not venture into that.

Unlike Warne or Kumble whose primary skills bowling spin does not require all that mobility in comparision to SG whose batting and running between wickets need more of it which will leave a huge question mark.  I do not think it will make for a smart move and will work.

KKR are better off looking elsewhere perhaps making SG incharge of player personnel and bring someone else to lead them on the field.

[gouravk]

i think this makes a big assumption - that srk will be reasonable and logical

as for why people dont get along with SG, i think i can relate to him a bit. i can understand that type of personality.

[RicePlateReddy]

Based on cricketing merits alone SRK should not bring back SG as the captain.  SG a year from now will find it even more tough in the 20-20 format when I see the way things are going overall in the IPL.  So bringing him back as captain involves huge risk and SRK should not venture into that.

Unlike Warne or Kumble whose primary skills bowling spin does not require all that mobility in comparision to SG whose batting and running between wickets need more of it which will leave a huge question mark.  I do not think it will make for a smart move and will work.

KKR are better off looking elsewhere perhaps making SG incharge of player personnel and bring someone else to lead them on the field.

I am immediately reminded of the trainer article which praised Sourav's training regimen to the skies and described how he shocked Buchanan and co by passing fitness and weight tests that had moving goal posts, with flying colors. I do not know how much of that account is true, and how much is gross exaggeration. If there is 50% truth to that, I wouldn't write off Sourav for next year.

Additionally, throw in the Hayden article we read recently that described how just dealing with the IPL and no more makes it easier to prepare mentally, remain motivated, and train. Sourav would also have this benefit (provided he does not pig out way too much in the off season!)

Finally, with the clear advent of spin as a restrictive bowling weapon in the IPL, Sourav will remain a formidable force for a year or two.

I am not arguing that Sourav will be among the top batsmen for KKR. I just feel that with the 4 foreign player quota, he will justify his selection in the 7 best batsmen picked from within the squad. His running and fielding will be negatives but his batting and what he can offer by way of captaincy would arguably be positives, leading to a net positive next year. When one considers the serious leadership and team management problems that are evident this year, that equation with respect to the captaincy factor could hugely tilt in his favor. They can use him profitably for 1 year, to at least emerge from this horrific rut KKR find themselves in.