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[RicePlateReddy]

Haddin & Clarke going loco. Another 800+ run game in the offing?

[justforkix]

Slowed down considerably after Haddin's wicket. Looks like not more than 350.

[RicePlateReddy]

Yikes. Jumped the gun, but for a while the significance was there (this is the first time the 2 sides are playing there since the 438 game).

[justforkix]

Wussies lose their 3rd wkt !! Van Der Merwe picks up his 2nd wkt

[12th_Man]

Wussies lose their 3rd wkt !! Van Der Merwe picks up his 2nd wkt

And Jack *A*** avg's over 10runs.

[justforkix]

Wussies in disarray now !!! 231/5 in 38.2 overs.

[justforkix]

what a pick up and throw - direct hit to run out Dopes 

[RicePlateReddy]

Hussey has scored 20 off 30 balls (coming in at 192 for 3) and the Australian supporters are irate, blaming him for (Dravid-ian like) pressure on the other batsman!

[12th_Man]

with 7 down are they still on track of 400 ? 

[justforkix]

and now a brilliant caught and bowled by Duminy to dismiss Mitch !!! 246/7

[12th_Man]

Hussey has scored 20 off 30 balls (coming in at 192 for 3) and the Australian supporters are irate, blaming him for (Dravid-ian like) pressure on the other batsman!

I thought Dravid is the one who takes all the pressure 

[RicePlateReddy]

with 7 down are they still on track of 400 ? 

Match total 

[ramshorns]

Hussey turning it on.  Despite his poor form this guy more often than not always finds a way to get the cruicial runs and hold the innings together.  I think a player like Hussey or a  VVS who have a great FC pedigree and came through the trenches always have the game late in the order be it in ODI's or Tests to bail a side out.  And Hussey is again demonstrating that today.

[RicePlateReddy]

Of course it is your prerogative, but it would be prudent to leave VVS references out of every thread unless you intend to make a Ganguly out of him.

[keep-it-cool]

Roelof van der Merwe  10 0 44 2

What a pick for BRC!

This man could be one of the stars of the IPL ...unless Sehwag happens to him early in the tournament

[keep-it-cool]

VVS & good in ODIs? I must have missed out on 5 yrs or so of cricket when that may have happened.

[ramshorns]

Of course it is your prerogative, but it would be prudent to leave VVS references out of every thread unless you intend to make a Ganguly out of him.

What is your problem?  As if you never brought Tendulkar and Dravid when not needed and try to overglorify their stats.  Just post what you want and leave what others want to upto them.

[ramshorns]

VVS & good in ODIs? I must have missed out on 5 yrs or so of cricket when that may have happened.

Read the post again when I said what I said on VVS and the similarities between Hussey be it in Tests or ODI's when a team needs them to be bailed out.  Does not mean that player has to only deliver in ODI's as Hussey did here.

Ofcourse I will bring up players as I deem fit much like some of the Tendulkar fanatics in particular seem to do here and project as if he is only great batsman from India.  We all know what he did in the WC against BD and SL when time came to deliver.

[RicePlateReddy]

Of course it is your prerogative, but it would be prudent to leave VVS references out of every thread unless you intend to make a Ganguly out of him.

What is your problem?  As if you never brought Tendulkar and Dravid when not needed and try to overglorify their stats.  Just post what you want and leave what others want to upto them.

My problem is getting sick of seeing VVS become a cricketvoice Ganguly. As I said, it is your prerogative.

Please direct me to where I brought in Tendulkar and Dravid with their stats where not needed or like a broken record.

[keep-it-cool]

VVS & good in ODIs? I must have missed out on 5 yrs or so of cricket when that may have happened.

Read the post again when I said what I said on VVS and the similarities between Hussey be it in Tests or ODI's when a team needs them to be bailed out.  Does not mean that player has to only deliver in ODI's as Hussey did here.

And I stand by my point ...VVS has bailed us out in tests ...but hardly ever in ODIs ..comparing him to Hussey in this format is silly.

[ramshorns]

Of course it is your prerogative, but it would be prudent to leave VVS references out of every thread unless you intend to make a Ganguly out of him.

What is your problem?  As if you never brought Tendulkar and Dravid when not needed and try to overglorify their stats.  Just post what you want and leave what others want to upto them.

My problem is getting sick of seeing VVS become a cricketvoice Ganguly. As I said, it is your prerogative.

I think your blind folded love for Tendulkar and Dravid is what is saying this.  I do not think VVS's name is being used more than these two despite him being as great as the other two.  Several knock starting with 281 are a testimony to that.  I think this DG is better served if unsung players like VVS are more discussed than just 2-3 accumulators.

Please direct me to where I brought in Tendulkar and Dravid with their stats where not needed or like a broken record.

There are several threads if you go back even as far as a month or so and read where the intention is clearly to slight others and put 2-3 on the pedestal.  Then everyone thinks they are better than others, so who am I to say anything here.

[ramshorns]

VVS & good in ODIs? I must have missed out on 5 yrs or so of cricket when that may have happened.

Read the post again when I said what I said on VVS and the similarities between Hussey be it in Tests or ODI's when a team needs them to be bailed out.  Does not mean that player has to only deliver in ODI's as Hussey did here.

And I stand by my point ...VVS has bailed us out in tests ...but hardly ever in ODIs ..comparing him to Hussey in this format is silly.

Try reading that first post again.....It is not that I am silly as much as you are not getting to fully trying to understand the gist of that post. 

[justforkix]

Hussey remains not out and improves his average to 54.65 from 53.76 

[ramshorns]

This is atypical of some of the fans of certain players in particular.  Get to a post being addressed on some other player do not read the context of it and come back and get preachy. 

This is what I said in a post above and how I want this to be interpreted since that is what I had in mind.

"I think a player like Hussey or a  VVS who have a great FC pedigree and came through the trenches always have the game late in the order be it in ODI's or Tests to bail a side out."

Below is what I meant.

1) Both VVS and Hussey did hard yards in FC.

2) They both are more of a blue collar type players.  Hussey coming late into the scene and VVS playing at No.6 in Tests for most part.

3) When Hussey played the knock today after a mini-collapse he did hold the innings together much like a VVS did in Tests in the past and made sure the team got the best out of the situation

4) I do not think a player can do that on a consistent basis unless they have the game, coolness and class and temperament to do it.  VVS and Hussey at the highest level did that and have a common trait.

What is so wrong in me mentioning and bringing VVS just as a reference here though it is not Test cricket.

Making a mountain out of a mole-hole really.

[justforkix]

Hussey turning it on.  Despite his poor form this guy more often than not always finds a way to get the cruicial runs and hold the innings together.  I think a player like Hussey or a  VVS who have a great FC pedigree and came through the trenches always have the game late in the order be it in ODI's or Tests to bail a side out.  And Hussey is again demonstrating that today.

well, the difference being Hussey can do it and has done it in both tests and ODIs, while VVS has done it and can do it only in tests

[keep-it-cool]

This is what I said in a post above and how I want this to be interpreted since that is what I had in mind.

"I think a player like Hussey or a  VVS who have a great FC pedigree and came through the trenches always have the game late in the order be it in ODI's or Tests to bail a side out."

To clarify, this part in bold is what I do not agree with ...while Hussey can do it be it in ODIs or Tests, VVS can do it only in tests.

If you meant that, then we are on the same page.

[justforkix]

Kallis looking in ominous form !!!

[justforkix]

Game perfectly set up for ALBE - 97 required in 12 overs 

[ramshorns]

Game perfectly set up for ALBE - 97 required in 12 overs 

Morkel gone to an amazing catch!!!!!

[ramshorns]

Hauritz to JA Morkel, OUT, Laughlin, you genius!! Tossed up outside off, and Albie goes for the slog-sweep, Laughlin's right at the edge of the ropes at deep midwicket and for a good while it appears the ball will clear him easily, but he waits, and times his jump to perfection to snap that over his head inches in front of the ropes, and celebrates kicking it Aussie-rules style back into the field. A decisive moment, that

This above quote is the Cricinfo's commentary on that Albe Morkel's catch.  One would ask what is the big deal in a dismissal of a player.

Let us see why.

In my estimates that is what makes the Aussies what they are.  Here is a new player Laughlin playing under a great skipper perhaps one of the best in history in a series that is already lost.  In the days preceding this game the "Great" Ponting says they want to win this game at all costs and leave SA on a high note.  That message is loud and clear and that transforms into a spirited performance by his players and what better way to demonstrate than this catch by a bowler when there was nothing to play for.

Then that inspires him to go take it a step further with his tail up and he goes and gets DeVillers by forcing him to take the chances the first ball he bowls after the catch.  That says it all.

Ricky Ponting's fighting abilities and gritty nature is written all over the team and rubs this team the right way.  And youngsters just respond to their leader more often than not.  That is all part of being a great leader and a great player.  Ricky Ponting is both.

[justforkix]

In my estimates that is what makes the Aussies what they are.  Here is a new player Laughlin playing under a great skipper perhaps one of the best in history in a series that is already lost.  In the days preceding this game the "Great" Ponting says they want to win this game at all costs and leave SA on a high note.  That message is loud and clear and that transforms into a spirited performance by his players and what better way to demonstrate than this catch by a bowler when there was nothing to play for.

HUH ?!? That is just over-hype and undue credit. Laughlin is a new player. He will do all of this and more to cement his place in the team irrespective of whether the series is won or lost. Nothing to do the "great" captain Punter !! This was natural athleticism of the player. Earlier in this innings, he attempted a similar catch and threw it back inside and he realized he'll lose his balance and go over. FYI, Laughlin also actively playedAussie rules football and soccerbefore he picked cricket. 

It was a great catch by Laughlin no doubt, one of the best in recent times.

Then that inspires him to go take it a step further with his tail up and he goes and gets DeVillers by forcing him to take the chances the first ball he bowls after the catch.  That says it all.

LOL - that was full toss bowled straight at the stumps. ABDe missed it and got bowled. poor ball and a lucky wicket. A ball that would have gone for 4 or 6 more often than not.

[kban1]

SA lost the game due to poor selection of the timing of the last PP.

I dunno what they were thinking 

[gouravk]

perhaps the "greatness" of ponting lies in announcing to the media that he wants to win the game at all costs

[ganavk]

In my estimates that is what makes the Aussies what they are.  Here is a new player Laughlin playing under a great skipper perhaps one of the best in history in a series that is already lost.  In the days preceding this game the "Great" Ponting says they want to win this game at all costs and leave SA on a high note.  That message is loud and clear and that transforms into a spirited performance by his players and what better way to demonstrate than this catch by a bowler when there was nothing to play for.

HUH ?!? That is just over-hype and undue credit. Laughlin is a new player. He will do all of this and more to cement his place in the team irrespective of whether the series is won or lost. Nothing to do the "great" captain Punter !! This was natural athleticism of the player. Earlier in this innings, he attempted a similar catch and threw it back inside and he realized he'll lose his balance and go over. FYI, Laughlin also actively playedAussie rules football and soccerbefore he picked cricket. 

It was a great catch by Laughlin no doubt, one of the best in recent times.

Then that inspires him to go take it a step further with his tail up and he goes and gets DeVillers by forcing him to take the chances the first ball he bowls after the catch.  That says it all.

LOL - that was full toss bowled straight at the stumps. ABDe missed it and got bowled. poor ball and a lucky wicket. A ball that would have gone for 4 or 6 more often than not.

Are we talking about the same great skipper who announced before the 4th one day match that batsman including himself have not been playing to their potential and then promptly loses the next match by his slow innings and gets out after selfishly getting his 50 ?
what happened to the other young ones who made their debut and were carted all around the place ?

As far as that catch is concerned, it was good but are we not going overboard here. I clearly remember someone from SA took similar kind of catches in this same series. Oram took even better catch in Ind-NZ one day series and we have seen many catches on boundary lines taken like this.

Cricinfo called ABD also genius in this same match for that run out and that was not exaggerating IMO because he has been consistent and so amazingly good as a fielder. Even better allround fielder than Jonty Rhodes !

[justforkix]

A fascinating back-to-back series comes to an end.

Tests: 3-3
T20: 2-2

ODIs : 7-3 in favor of SA

Conclusion: SA = Aus in tests and T20s. SA clearly ahead of Aus in ODIs.

Aussie domination in ODIs has pretty much ended. Their record is 21-15 since WC2007, which %-wise is as good as India or SA.

[justforkix]

SA lost the game due to poor selection of the timing of the last PP.

I dunno what they were thinking 

why ? They always take hold on to it for Albe Morkel. This has been their strategy for the last few ODIs. They would taken it 1-2 overs after Albe came in. Unfortunately Albe got out to a brilliant catch.

[ramshorns]

In my estimates that is what makes the Aussies what they are.  Here is a new player Laughlin playing under a great skipper perhaps one of the best in history in a series that is already lost.  In the days preceding this game the "Great" Ponting says they want to win this game at all costs and leave SA on a high note.  That message is loud and clear and that transforms into a spirited performance by his players and what better way to demonstrate than this catch by a bowler when there was nothing to play for.

HUH ?!? That is just over-hype and undue credit. Laughlin is a new player. He will do all of this and more to cement his place in the team irrespective of whether the series is won or lost. Nothing to do the "great" captain Punter !! This was natural athleticism of the player. Earlier in this innings, he attempted a similar catch and threw it back inside and he realized he'll lose his balance and go over. FYI, Laughlin also actively playedAussie rules football and soccerbefore he picked cricket. 

It was a great catch by Laughlin no doubt, one of the best in recent times.

Then that inspires him to go take it a step further with his tail up and he goes and gets DeVillers by forcing him to take the chances the first ball he bowls after the catch.  That says it all.

LOL - that was full toss bowled straight at the stumps. ABDe missed it and got bowled. poor ball and a lucky wicket. A ball that would have gone for 4 or 6 more often than not.

Again all this personifies the type of skipper you play for.  I have many a time players give up on games.  A player can be new or may not have talent.  Get the best out of them and making them desperate is what I am talking about.  This way if we can keep discounting everything no one ever can be credited.

Coming to the wicket as much a full toss it might have appear to be it was a very ball and a player who thought his wicket out rather than bowling fast and giving width.

[ramshorns]

In my estimates that is what makes the Aussies what they are.  Here is a new player Laughlin playing under a great skipper perhaps one of the best in history in a series that is already lost.  In the days preceding this game the "Great" Ponting says they want to win this game at all costs and leave SA on a high note.  That message is loud and clear and that transforms into a spirited performance by his players and what better way to demonstrate than this catch by a bowler when there was nothing to play for.

HUH ?!? That is just over-hype and undue credit. Laughlin is a new player. He will do all of this and more to cement his place in the team irrespective of whether the series is won or lost. Nothing to do the "great" captain Punter !! This was natural athleticism of the player. Earlier in this innings, he attempted a similar catch and threw it back inside and he realized he'll lose his balance and go over. FYI, Laughlin also actively playedAussie rules football and soccerbefore he picked cricket. 

It was a great catch by Laughlin no doubt, one of the best in recent times.

Then that inspires him to go take it a step further with his tail up and he goes and gets DeVillers by forcing him to take the chances the first ball he bowls after the catch.  That says it all.

LOL - that was full toss bowled straight at the stumps. ABDe missed it and got bowled. poor ball and a lucky wicket. A ball that would have gone for 4 or 6 more often than not.

Are we talking about the same great skipper who announced before the 4th one day match that batsman including himself have not been playing to their potential and then promptly loses the next match by his slow innings and gets out after selfishly getting his 50 ?
what happened to the other young ones who made their debut and were carted all around the place ?

Yes that is called measured criticism and taking accountability for a loss.  So as much as you like to pimp Tendulkar and Dravid in every other post and take down other players Ponting is both a great player and a great skipper.  Too bad you do not like it.

As far as that catch is concerned, it was good but are we not going overboard here. I clearly remember someone from SA took similar kind of catches in this same series. Oram took even better catch in Ind-NZ one day series and we have seen many catches on boundary lines taken like this.

I have seen all this if's and but's.  If Dravid did not play in the 2000's and if  Dravid did not play mostly on the Patta wickets and only if Dravid did not play with better players like Tendulkar and Laxman as his partners who pretty much took the bowlers on would he have not scored all those runs.  You need to sometimes start giving credit to other players where it is due.

Cricinfo called ABD also genius in this same match for that run out and that was not exaggerating IMO because he has been consistent and so amazingly good as a fielder. Even better allround fielder than Jonty Rhodes!

Only you would have taken the word genius used by Cricinfo to describe Laughlin after the catch as such.  Then that is what you do on this DG.   Discredit good cricket.   All you want to do here is give boneheaded statements like "Tendulkar and Dravid are the only Indian players capable of playing in hostile conditions".  When that is being challenged and factually proven wrong you are no where to be seen.  Enough said.

[ramshorns]

A fascinating back-to-back series comes to an end.

Tests: 3-3
T20: 2-2

ODIs : 7-3 in favor of SA

Conclusion: SA = Aus in tests and T20s. SA clearly ahead of Aus in ODIs.

Aussie domination in ODIs has pretty much ended. Their record is 21-15 since WC2007, which %-wise is as good as India or SA.

I still would place the Aussie ahead and may be SA on par and India a little behind till someone other than them wins the WC in 2011(unless ofcourse Aussies lose series after series).  At this point despite all the newbies in the team they are still very much there which is a testement to Ponting the captain and the system they have.

[gouravk]

you would wouldn't you ? you are in love with them