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[gouravk]

yup. but the pity is if he gets his mind right he can be a very good player. he has all the skills.

[justforkix]

yup, lacking consistency - mentally not there.

[poondu]

"If everybody can have an attitude like [Anil] Kumble, then this world will be a better place." 

Ray Jennings, coach of Royal Challengers Bangalore, is full of praise for his captain 

[gouravk]

do not trust him. he was the one who hit graeme smith on the head.

[poondu]

do not trust him. he was the one who hit graeme smith on the head.

he seems to be better than pukeanan though..

[gouravk]

maybe ... but ill continue to remain wary of him ...

[kban1]

Ryder incident reports 'grossly exaggerated' - manager

Cricinfo staff

May 11, 2009

 
Jesse Ryder's manager has termed as "grossly exaggerated and inaccurate" reports of the New Zealand batsman being restrained by security guards in South Africa. Aaron Klee admitted that Ryder had broken his vow not to touch alcohol, but said there was no altercation with security guards.

Radio Sport and Newstalk ZB reported earlier today that Ryder, who plays for IPL franchise Royal Challengers Bangalore, had to be controlled during an off-field incident. "It's disappointing that these false and unverified rumours are being reported as fact by the media," Klee said in a statement. "Let's be fair to Jesse - this is not a big issue. Jesse rang me and explained what happened several nights ago. He is disappointed that he drank after being off all alcohol for over 100 days.

"But there was no security incident. We have already taken steps to make sure he has additional support during his time in the IPL."

Ryder's Bangalore coach Ray Jennings also concurred. "It is over exaggerated," Jennings told Cricinfo. "There is no issue."

Ryder had sworn off alcohol after an incident resulted in him missing a match for his country. His mentor Murray Deaker released a statement reinforcing the need for the batsman to stay sober. "Jesse's had over a hundred days of sobriety and has made enormous progress during that time, on and off the field," he said. "Now for that to continue he needs support and moves have already been made to assist him to get back on top."

A New Zealand Cricket spokesman said the board would not comment until full details of the supposed incident were available.

In February 2008 Ryder had put his hand through a window while trying to gain access to a toilet area that had been accidentally locked. Ryder was then fined for missing a team meeting and a training session after a late night of drinking and was left out of the XI for an ODI against West Indies in early 2009. He was subsequently reported to have given up alcohol.

Ryder has been a major disappointment in the IPL. In four games he has scored just 34 runs, including two scores of 0. Ryder was purchased for $160,000 at this year's IPL auction.

http://content.cricinfo.com/ipl2009/content/current/story/403864.html

[gouravk]

jesse is my facebook friend  he doesnt sound too happy 

[keep-it-cool]

So much derided so called 'RD's test team' is coming good at last. Sadly looks like RD and management picked a team which can play consistently well on sporting pitches and not on flat batting pitches!

Not quite. There were a few reasons why they failed last time around other than flat batting conditions.

a) RD and AK were not in form. RD was out of form in all formats and AK's bowling was more tailored for test matches. In fact he himself confirmed this last point when he said that now he knows that he'll be playing only one format of the game and has prepared accordingly. That accuracy which made him such a force in ODIs five to six years earlier is now back. RD, despite being among the better bats last time around, would have enjoyed the same flat conditions a lot more in his current form.

b) Kallis - he has re-engineered himself for the shorter version of the game. In fact he mentioned yesterday that he was working with Mickey Arthur the whole of last year to become a better option for ODIs and T20s. Again, I think Kallis would have performed much better this time around even if the tournament was held in India.

b) Some additions have made a lot of difference. I think the Van Merwe impact is HUGE. Besides being very tight and picking up useful wickets, he also strikes some lusty blows. The wins against KXIP and KKR would have been impossible without him. Now this Du Preez chap also looks quite good.

I think the team is definitely better this time around that it was last year - irrespective of conditions - and with the two senior players in better form, they look a much better outfit. I also think Ray Jennings deserves some credit. At least to me, this is clearly more a coach than a captain run team in terms of overall strategising outside the field etc.

isn't that whole idea of quality players in one format can always adjust in another format and do well from the beginning ? in fact I remember RD also saying last year that he would have easily cracked this format if he were 10 years younger. In spite of that fact he was top 10 scored in the last tournament and easily was their best batsman. Even in this tournament he is BRCs best batsman including Kallis.
Coach can take credit of course but the team essentially is the same.

Not really. If that were to be the case, VVS should have been very good at this as well. All good players may not be able to adapt. It is to RD's and JK's credit that they have. RD was always capable - but not in form last year. JK had issues (he was even dropped from the SA T20 WC squad) - it is only over the last year that he specifically worked on his game.

[ganavk]

So much derided so called 'RD's test team' is coming good at last. Sadly looks like RD and management picked a team which can play consistently well on sporting pitches and not on flat batting pitches!

Not quite. There were a few reasons why they failed last time around other than flat batting conditions.

a) RD and AK were not in form. RD was out of form in all formats and AK's bowling was more tailored for test matches. In fact he himself confirmed this last point when he said that now he knows that he'll be playing only one format of the game and has prepared accordingly. That accuracy which made him such a force in ODIs five to six years earlier is now back. RD, despite being among the better bats last time around, would have enjoyed the same flat conditions a lot more in his current form.

b) Kallis - he has re-engineered himself for the shorter version of the game. In fact he mentioned yesterday that he was working with Mickey Arthur the whole of last year to become a better option for ODIs and T20s. Again, I think Kallis would have performed much better this time around even if the tournament was held in India.

b) Some additions have made a lot of difference. I think the Van Merwe impact is HUGE. Besides being very tight and picking up useful wickets, he also strikes some lusty blows. The wins against KXIP and KKR would have been impossible without him. Now this Du Preez chap also looks quite good.

I think the team is definitely better this time around that it was last year - irrespective of conditions - and with the two senior players in better form, they look a much better outfit. I also think Ray Jennings deserves some credit. At least to me, this is clearly more a coach than a captain run team in terms of overall strategising outside the field etc.

isn't that whole idea of quality players in one format can always adjust in another format and do well from the beginning ? in fact I remember RD also saying last year that he would have easily cracked this format if he were 10 years younger. In spite of that fact he was top 10 scored in the last tournament and easily was their best batsman. Even in this tournament he is BRCs best batsman including Kallis.
Coach can take credit of course but the team essentially is the same.

Not really. If that were to be the case, VVS should have been very good at this as well. All good players may not be able to adapt. It is to RD's and JK's credit that they have. RD was always capable - but not in form last year. JK had issues (he was even dropped from the SA T20 WC squad) - it is only over the last year that he specifically worked on his game.

wrong example IMO. Everyone is aware that VVS was never able to adapt to one day let alone a 20-20 and so from that perspective he may be a quality player but flexibility in all the forms of the game is not one of terms I associate with VVS. RD and JK were able to adapt because they have 'that' kind of quality. I also guess somewhere both RD and JK continuously try to improve their game.

[12th_Man]

So much derided so called 'RD's test team' is coming good at last. Sadly looks like RD and management picked a team which can play consistently well on sporting pitches and not on flat batting pitches!

Not quite. There were a few reasons why they failed last time around other than flat batting conditions.

a) RD and AK were not in form. RD was out of form in all formats and AK's bowling was more tailored for test matches. In fact he himself confirmed this last point when he said that now he knows that he'll be playing only one format of the game and has prepared accordingly. That accuracy which made him such a force in ODIs five to six years earlier is now back. RD, despite being among the better bats last time around, would have enjoyed the same flat conditions a lot more in his current form.

b) Kallis - he has re-engineered himself for the shorter version of the game. In fact he mentioned yesterday that he was working with Mickey Arthur the whole of last year to become a better option for ODIs and T20s. Again, I think Kallis would have performed much better this time around even if the tournament was held in India.

b) Some additions have made a lot of difference. I think the Van Merwe impact is HUGE. Besides being very tight and picking up useful wickets, he also strikes some lusty blows. The wins against KXIP and KKR would have been impossible without him. Now this Du Preez chap also looks quite good.

I think the team is definitely better this time around that it was last year - irrespective of conditions - and with the two senior players in better form, they look a much better outfit. I also think Ray Jennings deserves some credit. At least to me, this is clearly more a coach than a captain run team in terms of overall strategising outside the field etc.

isn't that whole idea of quality players in one format can always adjust in another format and do well from the beginning ? in fact I remember RD also saying last year that he would have easily cracked this format if he were 10 years younger. In spite of that fact he was top 10 scored in the last tournament and easily was their best batsman. Even in this tournament he is BRCs best batsman including Kallis.
Coach can take credit of course but the team essentially is the same.

Not really. If that were to be the case, VVS should have been very good at this as well. All good players may not be able to adapt. It is to RD's and JK's credit that they have. RD was always capable - but not in form last year. JK had issues (he was even dropped from the SA T20 WC squad) - it is only over the last year that he specifically worked on his game.

wrong example IMO. Everyone is aware that VVS was never able to adapt to one day let alone a 20-20 and so from that perspective he may be a quality player but flexibility in all the forms of the game is not one of terms I associate with VVS. RD and JK were able to adapt because they have 'that' kind of quality. I also guess somewhere both RD and JK continuously try to improve their game.

Good point, That should have been indicator enough for the team.
However the Icon player concept screwed up the teams a  and bit. But VVS to his credit has been gracious enough to do the right thing.

[keep-it-cool]

So much derided so called 'RD's test team' is coming good at last. Sadly looks like RD and management picked a team which can play consistently well on sporting pitches and not on flat batting pitches!

Not quite. There were a few reasons why they failed last time around other than flat batting conditions.

a) RD and AK were not in form. RD was out of form in all formats and AK's bowling was more tailored for test matches. In fact he himself confirmed this last point when he said that now he knows that he'll be playing only one format of the game and has prepared accordingly. That accuracy which made him such a force in ODIs five to six years earlier is now back. RD, despite being among the better bats last time around, would have enjoyed the same flat conditions a lot more in his current form.

b) Kallis - he has re-engineered himself for the shorter version of the game. In fact he mentioned yesterday that he was working with Mickey Arthur the whole of last year to become a better option for ODIs and T20s. Again, I think Kallis would have performed much better this time around even if the tournament was held in India.

b) Some additions have made a lot of difference. I think the Van Merwe impact is HUGE. Besides being very tight and picking up useful wickets, he also strikes some lusty blows. The wins against KXIP and KKR would have been impossible without him. Now this Du Preez chap also looks quite good.

I think the team is definitely better this time around that it was last year - irrespective of conditions - and with the two senior players in better form, they look a much better outfit. I also think Ray Jennings deserves some credit. At least to me, this is clearly more a coach than a captain run team in terms of overall strategising outside the field etc.

isn't that whole idea of quality players in one format can always adjust in another format and do well from the beginning ? in fact I remember RD also saying last year that he would have easily cracked this format if he were 10 years younger. In spite of that fact he was top 10 scored in the last tournament and easily was their best batsman. Even in this tournament he is BRCs best batsman including Kallis.
Coach can take credit of course but the team essentially is the same.

Not really. If that were to be the case, VVS should have been very good at this as well. All good players may not be able to adapt. It is to RD's and JK's credit that they have. RD was always capable - but not in form last year. JK had issues (he was even dropped from the SA T20 WC squad) - it is only over the last year that he specifically worked on his game.

wrong example IMO. Everyone is aware that VVS was never able to adapt to one day let alone a 20-20 and so from that perspective he may be a quality player but flexibility in all the forms of the game is not one of terms I associate with VVS. RD and JK were able to adapt because they have 'that' kind of quality. I also guess somewhere both RD and JK continuously try to improve their game.

Isnt that what I am trying to say as well? A blanket statement that a good test player can adapt to any format is flawed. You need certain kind of players.

Last season when I saw that team, I was not worried about RD's presence (from the batting perspective) - he has shown the ability. I was more worried about Kallis' presence because at that point in time his game in the shorter format had not evolved as much as it has today. And it showed during the tournament. At the same time, RD was in woeful touch - and although he ended up as the best BRC batsman, that was not good enough.

This year Kallis has worked on his game - given that he was not being picked by his country as well. It is not something that came naturally to him as he played. And then, their bowling was also quite weak ..I mean Sunil Joshi, Anil Kumble (even in this year's IPL, he has only been average besides a couple of good showings) do not help.

[keep-it-cool]

btw, why are you guys not playing Van Der Merwe???

[dextrous]

btw, why are you guys not playing Van Der Merwe???

4 only

[keep-it-cool]

btw, why are you guys not playing Van Der Merwe???

4 only

Shouldnt he be the first one to be pencilled in? On these pitches? He has been their best bowler. Even against Mumbai, Kumble bowled him only for 3 overs - and he was the most economical of the lot besides getting Jaya out. Even Mithun bowled more than him.

[ganavk]

btw, why are you guys not playing Van Der Merwe???

4 only

Shouldnt he be the first one to be pencilled in? On these pitches? He has been their best bowler. Even against Mumbai, Kumble bowled him only for 3 overs - and he was the most economical of the lot besides getting Jaya out. Even Mithun bowled more than him.

strategy in the last match was very clear. Pack the team with as many quality bartsmen as possible and try and chase the scores. Luckily Taylor was able to do that and I think BRC can/will continue to do that.

[keep-it-cool]

btw, why are you guys not playing Van Der Merwe???

4 only

Shouldnt he be the first one to be pencilled in? On these pitches? He has been their best bowler. Even against Mumbai, Kumble bowled him only for 3 overs - and he was the most economical of the lot besides getting Jaya out. Even Mithun bowled more than him.

strategy in the last match was very clear. Pack the team with as many quality bartsmen as possible and try and chase the scores. Luckily Taylor was able to do that and I think BRC can/will continue to do that.

I think that is risky. Especially as Van Merwe has not been a mug with the bat either. He may have, in fact, reined in KKR a bit.

Anyway, lets see how it goes.

[gouravk]

how about taylor and jessie opening  ? enticing prospect ... 

[flashpan]

I am proud of the way our team has played this season . It will be great if we reach the semis but no hard-feeling otherwise . This is Jumbo's and most probably Rahul's last season in the IPL and I hope they go out with a bang.

[LosingNow]

I am proud of the way our team has played this season . It will be great if we reach the semis but no hard-feeling otherwise . This is Jumbo's and most probably Rahul's last season in the IPL and I hope they go out with a bang.

He he he.. already started writing obituarys.. you have a lot of confidence in them