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[cricinfo]

The amazing story of the coaching team for KKR keep on getting more interesting and baffling .

This is based on last report from GB of ABP

Five of the coaching staff are going back, one of them is Jaideep Mukherjee who was apparently close to SG.
Other four are australian - Bradd Murphy (Assistant Coach) , Patt Siccomb (Fielding Coach) , One wicket keeping coach( ) and another coach for teaching baseball throwing techniques.But the Strength coach(nobody apparently knows what his role is) is still staying back...btw the strength coach is JB's son Michael.
But most surprising addition to the coaching team is not even publicized ...New Zealand national team coach Andy Mills have joined KKR coaching team for couple of weeks. Apparently NZ board had requested for it.

You guys go and figure what does all these mean!!!

[keep-it-cool]

I think Andy Moles had mentioned that he'll be going around in SA, keeping tabs on his players (mentioned this when he was talking about Ryder). So, KKR may not be the only team he joins up with.

[cricinfo]

I think Andy Moles had mentioned that he'll be going around in SA, keeping tabs on his players (mentioned this when he was talking about Ryder). So, KKR may not be the only team he joins up with.

good ploy by NZ board

[dextrous]

so, they have a coach for every captain in the team

[sudzz]

I never knew SRK and his money were this easy to part? People are taking him for a ride and our man is loving it I guess?

[dextrous]

I never knew SRK and his money were this easy to part? People are taking him for a ride and our man is loving it I guess?

i think he's just a part-owner...the real money might be coming from investors

[keep-it-cool]

No. It is just SRK, Juhi and Jai Mehta. I doubt Juhi or Jai would be as rich as SRK.

[WicketView]

What are you guys complaining about? KKR has 5 cricket teams (55+ players), so they need 5 coaches ... one for each for the teams. And then they need coaches for the coaches.

The question is are all the coaches as bad as almost all the players?

[dave_dj]

What are you guys complaining about? KKR has 5 cricket teams (55+ players), so they need 5 coaches ... one for each for the teams. And then they need coaches for the coaches.

The question is are all the coaches as bad as almost all the players?

I wont be surprised if they are, especially if  they can get Akash Chopra and Bangar for 20-20 and get players like Agarkar and Hafeez in their squad.

[RicePlateReddy]

What are you guys complaining about? KKR has 5 cricket teams (55+ players), so they need 5 coaches ... one for each for the teams. And then they need coaches for the coaches.

The question is are all the coaches as bad as almost all the players?

I wont be surprised if they are, especially if  they can get Akash Chopra and Bangar for 20-20 and get players like Agarkar and Hafeez in their squad.

  

[keep-it-cool]

What are you guys complaining about? KKR has 5 cricket teams (55+ players), so they need 5 coaches ... one for each for the teams. And then they need coaches for the coaches.

The question is are all the coaches as bad as almost all the players?

I wont be surprised if they are, especially if  they can get Akash Chopra and Bangar for 20-20 and get players like Agarkar and Hafeez in their squad.

I dont know about Bangar because he was picked up recently ...but as for the players picked in the first auction, SG was very much there, was captain and even made a statement at the end of the auction to the press that he got all the players he wanted. He needs to take a fair share of the blame for some of the wierd picks last year.

[kban1]

I dont know about Bangar because he was picked up recently ...but as for the players picked in the first auction, SG was very much there, was captain and even made a statement at the end of the auction to the press that he got all the players he wanted. He needs to take a fair share of the blame for some of the wierd picks last year

You obviously dont know the real story -- SG being overruled on several picks was a staple story in local papers. Thats not to say all of SG's picks were good and all that - - but its to say that the KKR team on the whole is more JB / SRK's team than SG's (all the way back to last year)

And really, what did you expect SG to say to the press really ? Had he said something different, wouldnt you be one of the first to preach that he should not have talked about it in public ?

[Cover Point]

I dont know about Bangar because he was picked up recently ...but as for the players picked in the first auction, SG was very much there, was captain and even made a statement at the end of the auction to the press that he got all the players he wanted. He needs to take a fair share of the blame for some of the wierd picks last year

You obviously dont know the real story -- SG being overruled on several picks was a staple story in local papers. Thats not to say all of SG's picks were good and all that - - but its to say that the KKR team on the whole is more JB / SRK's team than SG's (all the way back to last year)

And really, what did you expect SG to say to the press really ? Had he said something different, wouldnt you be one of the first to preach that he should not have talked about it in public ?

the team should be Bucky's ... how much it was last year ... is an open question

[Blwe_torch]

I dont know about Bangar because he was picked up recently ...but as for the players picked in the first auction, SG was very much there, was captain and even made a statement at the end of the auction to the press that he got all the players he wanted. He needs to take a fair share of the blame for some of the wierd picks last year

You obviously dont know the real story -- SG being overruled on several picks was a staple story in local papers. Thats not to say all of SG's picks were good and all that - - but its to say that the KKR team on the whole is more JB / SRK's team than SG's (all the way back to last year)

And really, what did you expect SG to say to the press really ? Had he said something different, wouldnt you be one of the first to preach that he should not have talked about it in public ?

the team should be Bucky's ... how much it was last year ... is an open question

It can never be Bucky's team..................Bucky's team sucks anyway.
KKR will be better off without Bucky

[keep-it-cool]

I dont know about Bangar because he was picked up recently ...but as for the players picked in the first auction, SG was very much there, was captain and even made a statement at the end of the auction to the press that he got all the players he wanted. He needs to take a fair share of the blame for some of the wierd picks last year

You obviously dont know the real story -- SG being overruled on several picks was a staple story in local papers. Thats not to say all of SG's picks were good and all that - - but its to say that the KKR team on the whole is more JB / SRK's team than SG's (all the way back to last year)

And really, what did you expect SG to say to the press really ? Had he said something different, wouldnt you be one of the first to preach that he should not have talked about it in public ?

Oh, so now we believe local papers just because they say so. It is a fact that SG was captain last year, he was present at the auction last year and he himself said that he was happy with the team he had. That should be as believable as what the local papers say if not more.

Just like this year JB should carry the can or get the credit for any team choices because he seems to have taken on as overall boss, the credit or discredit for last year's picks should go to SG - and not all of them were bad. In fact, McCullum and Gayle were brilliant picks as were David Hussey and Hodge in my view. The only place they erred was in not bidding aggressively enough for good Indian players.

[kban1]

http://www.anandabazar.com/27khela1.htm

Paragraph 8 in the newspaper dated 27th April 2009 (link above) reports that there has been a difference of opinion in the team between the presence of AC & S Bangar in the team from as far back as the preparatory camps, but Buchanan had been adamant in keeping them in the team as he believed they were utility cricketers who would come in handy.

[keep-it-cool]

http://www.anandabazar.com/27khela1.htm

Paragraph 8 in the newspaper dated 27th April 2009 (link above) reports that there has been a difference of opinion in the team between the presence of AC & S Bangar in the team from as far back as the preparatory camps, but Buchanan had been adamant in keeping them in the team as he believed they were utility cricketers who would come in handy.

whether the article is true or not, JB has to take full responsibility this year

[dave_dj]

I dont know about Bangar because he was picked up recently ...but as for the players picked in the first auction, SG was very much there, was captain and even made a statement at the end of the auction to the press that he got all the players he wanted. He needs to take a fair share of the blame for some of the wierd picks last year

You obviously dont know the real story -- SG being overruled on several picks was a staple story in local papers. Thats not to say all of SG's picks were good and all that - - but its to say that the KKR team on the whole is more JB / SRK's team than SG's (all the way back to last year)

And really, what did you expect SG to say to the press really ? Had he said something different, wouldnt you be one of the first to preach that he should not have talked about it in public ?

Oh, so now we believe local papers just because they say so. It is a fact that SG was captain last year, he was present at the auction last year and he himself said that he was happy with the team he had. That should be as believable as what the local papers say if not more.

Just like this year JB should carry the can or get the credit for any team choices because he seems to have taken on as overall boss, the credit or discredit for last year's picks should go to SG - and not all of them were bad. In fact, McCullum and Gayle were brilliant picks as were David Hussey and Hodge in my view. The only place they erred was in not bidding aggressively enough for good Indian players.

I don't know who picked KKR's team.  I have seen what SG selected for India when he was the captain and I trust his ability to identify talent.  Doesn't mean that he will be right 100% of time.  However, KKR team has massive issues and I can't believe that SG will select that.  If you look at Akash Chopra, Karthik - these are the players SG has been blamed for neglecting and what rationale can one come up with him selecting them from KKR?

I don't know the capability of SRK, Bucky, or any other person who was involved in selecting this team.  If I analyze past of SG and rationale, it does not look like that the selection team listened to SG much.  I think that they all thought they are bigger UStaad than SG and the result shows.

[kban1]

Oh, so now we believe local papers just because they say so. It is a fact that SG was captain last year, he was present at the auction last year and he himself said that he was happy with the team he had. That should be as believable as what the local papers say if not more.

I believe local papers depending on who the paper is. I believed them then, not just now.

And definitely more than I believe some layman (with respect to cricketing inside news as it relates to a Calcutta team).

As to what SG says for public consumption -- its not really hard to figure out. What did you expect him to say --that nope, I wanted Gilly (because he would be available all the time) but Buchanan was adamant about getting mcCullum (who I didnt want because he would be present only for a short time) ?

Just like this year JB should carry the can or get the credit for any team choices because he seems to have taken on as overall boss, the credit or discredit for last year's picks should go to SG - and not all of them were bad. In fact, McCullum and Gayle were brilliant picks as were David Hussey and Hodge in my view. The only place they erred was in not bidding aggressively enough for good Indian players.

Nobody said that all of Sg's picks were good. But to try to blanketly say that all the picks from the last year were his responsibility when he was (on numerous occasions) overridden by owner and coach is inaccurate.

It is a different issue that you dont know this -- but to keep arguing on the basis of that is untenable.

[keep-it-cool]

Oh, so now we believe local papers just because they say so. It is a fact that SG was captain last year, he was present at the auction last year and he himself said that he was happy with the team he had. That should be as believable as what the local papers say if not more.

I believe local papers depending on who the paper is. I believed them then, not just now.

And definitely more than I believe some layman (with respect to cricketing inside news as it relates to a Calcutta team).

As to what SG says for public consumption -- its not really hard to figure out. What did you expect him to say --that nope, I wanted Gilly (because he would be available all the time) but Buchanan was adamant about getting mcCullum (who I didnt want because he would be present only for a short time) ?

Just like this year JB should carry the can or get the credit for any team choices because he seems to have taken on as overall boss, the credit or discredit for last year's picks should go to SG - and not all of them were bad. In fact, McCullum and Gayle were brilliant picks as were David Hussey and Hodge in my view. The only place they erred was in not bidding aggressively enough for good Indian players.

Nobody said that all of Sg's picks were good. But to try to blanketly say that all the picks from the last year were his responsibility when he was (on numerous occasions) overridden by owner and coach is inaccurate.

It is a different issue that you dont know this -- but to keep arguing on the basis of that is untenable.

I did not say that they were his sole responsibility ...I just said that he has to take a fair share of the responsibility for those names. I see no reason why SRK should overrule SG right from the outset ...I can understand how some people may have made him look like the reason for KKR's poor showing last year in SRK's eyes this year - prompting greater powers to JB. But to completely ignore the possibility that SG actually was happy with the team that he got last year when he himself was at the auction is untenable as far as I am concerned - whatever local or national papers may say. At the end of the day, I see no reason to believe one version over the other - and in that context prefer to let the captain carry a fair share of the responsibility along with other members of the team management.

So, I guess the basic difference between our views is that you believe certain articles while I do not believe such "source" based articles. That is a difficult gap to bridge.

[kban1]

I did not say that they were his sole responsibility ...I just said that he has to take a fair share of the responsibility for those names. I see no reason why SRK should overrule SG right from the outset ...I can understand how some people may have made him look like the reason for KKR's poor showing last year in SRK's eyes this year - prompting greater powers to JB. But to completely ignore the possibility that SG actually was happy with the team that he got last year when he himself was at the auction is untenable as far as I am concerned - whatever local or national papers may say. At the end of the day, I see no reason to believe one version over the other - and in that context prefer to let the captain carry a fair share of the responsibility along with other members of the team management.

So, I guess the basic difference between our views is that you believe certain articles while I do not believe such "source" based articles. That is a difficult gap to bridge.

I agree to SG sharing some of the blame --the difference between your thesis and mine is simply this:

SG deserves to share the responsibility for picks where he was wrong -- Not for picks which others made.

In this context your logical theorising over when SRK started believing less in SG and more in JB carries little weight when I have to balance that against information reported in trusted and known to be right local papers / reporters.

So, yes, in effect the difference stems from someone not familiar with the the newsmedia and its trackrecord not trusting in such reports and someone familar with the newsmedia and its track record trusting in such reports.