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[gouravk]

well not being able to play due to kit not arriving is just mind boggling IMO

[dextrous]

RR trimmed down to 15, not 18...they dont even have coaches!

[ramshorns]

Boy, does MSD has problems of plenty with this CSK team especially with local players.
- badri playing too much down the order
- Ashwin ( the bowler) playing in the XI and did not get a single over  Was MSD even aware that he can bowl ?

Despite all that MSD is 'N' times better than RD the captain.  Just so that you know.   You find all reasons to criticise someone after a privately owned and played 20-20 game but when it comes to WC 2007 and Dravid's captaincy you want people to say it is just ok to lose couple of games and make them insignificant and worse blame everyone else but the captain Dravid.  And you go around thread to thread bad mouthing teams and players that won World cups and shrug them off as luck factor etc etc.

[ganavk]

Boy, does MSD has problems of plenty with this CSK team especially with local players.
- badri playing too much down the order
- Ashwin ( the bowler) playing in the XI and did not get a single over  Was MSD even aware that he can bowl ?

Despite all that MSD is 'N' times better than RD the captain.  Just so that you know.   You find all reasons to criticise someone after a privately owned and played 20-20 game but when it comes to WC 2007 and Dravid's captaincy you want people to say it is just ok to lose couple of games and make them insignificant and worse blame everyone else but the captain Dravid.  And you go around thread to thread bad mouthing teams and players that won World cups and shrug them off as luck factor etc etc.

boss...stop airing your views. Show me a single post where I have mentioned Aussies won the WC based on luck.
As far as WC 2007..we have had this discussion. For you that is the worst moment in Indian cricket history ( may be because your knowledge goes in 4 year cycle) but it is not for me and for many others. I remember someone else also mentioning the same thing. I am not asking you to say so..you can free to say WC is the most important matches for you but don't expect others to take it just because you say so.
You can continue to fart whatever you want and if you want to continue to take this thread also down the gutter that is your prerogative.
I am sure you will come back with a retort not based on any facts purely based on your views.

[ganavk]

Boy, does MSD has problems of plenty with this CSK team especially with local players.
- badri playing too much down the order
- Ashwin ( the bowler) playing in the XI and did not get a single over  Was MSD even aware that he can bowl ?

Despite all that MSD is 'N' times better than RD the captain.  Just so that you know.   

Another 'change the subject' tactic. sure..who has said RD is better than MSD.? I am talking about this match ( can't you understand why it is written in this thread ?) and if you can defend why MSD did not try Ashwin I would be inclined to take that response. MSD , the captain is better than SG and SRT also IMO.

[ramshorns]

Boy, does MSD has problems of plenty with this CSK team especially with local players.
- badri playing too much down the order
- Ashwin ( the bowler) playing in the XI and did not get a single over  Was MSD even aware that he can bowl ?

Despite all that MSD is 'N' times better than RD the captain.  Just so that you know.   

Another 'change the subject' tactic. sure..who has said RD is better than MSD.? I am talking about this match ( can't you understand why it is written in this thread ?) and if you can defend why MSD did not try Ashwin I would be inclined to take that response. MSD , the captain is better than SG and SRT also IMO.

Ofcourse to give back to you in your terms every now and then when you post based on rumors and hearsays I need to occasionally tweak the subject a little.   You know what I mean.

Now coming to the topic on hand it is good you accept that RD is a bad captain.  That is all I want to know and that explains why we lost the WC 2007 with an uninspiring leader.   Next time when there is a discussion on the WC I expect you to say a thing or two on where RD screwed up much like MSD did today in a game that is insignificant in comparision.

[ramshorns]

Boy, does MSD has problems of plenty with this CSK team especially with local players.
- badri playing too much down the order
- Ashwin ( the bowler) playing in the XI and did not get a single over  Was MSD even aware that he can bowl ?

Despite all that MSD is 'N' times better than RD the captain.  Just so that you know.   You find all reasons to criticise someone after a privately owned and played 20-20 game but when it comes to WC 2007 and Dravid's captaincy you want people to say it is just ok to lose couple of games and make them insignificant and worse blame everyone else but the captain Dravid.  And you go around thread to thread bad mouthing teams and players that won World cups and shrug them off as luck factor etc etc.

boss...stop airing your views. Show me a single post where I have mentioned Aussies won the WC based on luck.
As far as WC 2007..we have had this discussion. For you that is the worst moment in Indian cricket history ( may be because your knowledge goes in 4 year cycle) but it is not for me and for many others. I remember someone else also mentioning the same thing. I am not asking you to say so..you can free to say WC is the most important matches for you but don't expect others to take it just because you say so.

Correction!!!!!  Other than fanactics of 2-3 players for whom records take precedent over team wins WC matches are more important than any other ODI games.  So yes there more that agree with me on that aspect than you.   

You can continue to fart whatever you want and if you want to continue to take this thread also down the gutter that is your prerogative.

I will not stoop down to your level and lose my cool and try to get even.  But do not for a second take that as an encouragement.  I can open up too.  It only takes a second.

I am sure you will come back with a retort not based on any facts purely based on your views.

Facts as in "Dravid and Tendulkar are the only two players that can play in hostile conditions".  May be those are not views but facts only to seen by a select few.

[ganavk]

Boy, does MSD has problems of plenty with this CSK team especially with local players.
- badri playing too much down the order
- Ashwin ( the bowler) playing in the XI and did not get a single over  Was MSD even aware that he can bowl ?

Despite all that MSD is 'N' times better than RD the captain.  Just so that you know.   You find all reasons to criticise someone after a privately owned and played 20-20 game but when it comes to WC 2007 and Dravid's captaincy you want people to say it is just ok to lose couple of games and make them insignificant and worse blame everyone else but the captain Dravid.  And you go around thread to thread bad mouthing teams and players that won World cups and shrug them off as luck factor etc etc.

boss...stop airing your views. Show me a single post where I have mentioned Aussies won the WC based on luck.
As far as WC 2007..we have had this discussion. For you that is the worst moment in Indian cricket history ( may be because your knowledge goes in 4 year cycle) but it is not for me and for many others. I remember someone else also mentioning the same thing. I am not asking you to say so..you can free to say WC is the most important matches for you but don't expect others to take it just because you say so.

Correction!!!!!  Other than fanactics of 2-3 players for whom records take precedent over team wins WC matches are more important than any other ODI games.  So yes there more that agree with me on that aspect than you.   

You can continue to fart whatever you want and if you want to continue to take this thread also down the gutter that is your prerogative.

I will not stoop down to your level and lose my cool and try to get even.  But do not for a second take that as an encouragement.  I can open up too.  It only takes a second.

I am sure you will come back with a retort not based on any facts purely based on your views.

Facts as in "Dravid and Tendulkar are the only two players that can play in hostile conditions".  May be those are not views but facts only to seen by a select few.

Facts still show that SRT/RD have more important innings played for India in both Tests as well as in difficult one day pitches. People have provided all the statistics in other threads and you can check them out. Obviously SMG in the previous era has played the same kind of innings. If you don't agree with that let it be and you can bring VVS to every other thread to showcase him as the greatest.  At least that is not as absurd as calling VVS to be compable to Hussey!

[dextrous]

I think, at some point, averages have to speak for themselves...and VVS is in the league of Ganguly and Azhar...not Sachin, Gavaskar, and Dravid in tests.

[ramshorns]

Boy, does MSD has problems of plenty with this CSK team especially with local players.
- badri playing too much down the order
- Ashwin ( the bowler) playing in the XI and did not get a single over  Was MSD even aware that he can bowl ?

Despite all that MSD is 'N' times better than RD the captain.  Just so that you know.   You find all reasons to criticise someone after a privately owned and played 20-20 game but when it comes to WC 2007 and Dravid's captaincy you want people to say it is just ok to lose couple of games and make them insignificant and worse blame everyone else but the captain Dravid.  And you go around thread to thread bad mouthing teams and players that won World cups and shrug them off as luck factor etc etc.

boss...stop airing your views. Show me a single post where I have mentioned Aussies won the WC based on luck.
As far as WC 2007..we have had this discussion. For you that is the worst moment in Indian cricket history ( may be because your knowledge goes in 4 year cycle) but it is not for me and for many others. I remember someone else also mentioning the same thing. I am not asking you to say so..you can free to say WC is the most important matches for you but don't expect others to take it just because you say so.

Correction!!!!!  Other than fanactics of 2-3 players for whom records take precedent over team wins WC matches are more important than any other ODI games.  So yes there more that agree with me on that aspect than you.   

You can continue to fart whatever you want and if you want to continue to take this thread also down the gutter that is your prerogative.

I will not stoop down to your level and lose my cool and try to get even.  But do not for a second take that as an encouragement.  I can open up too.  It only takes a second.

I am sure you will come back with a retort not based on any facts purely based on your views.

Facts as in "Dravid and Tendulkar are the only two players that can play in hostile conditions".  May be those are not views but facts only to seen by a select few.

Facts still show that SRT/RD have more important innings played for India in both Tests as well as in difficult one day pitches.

No facts do not suggest that.   If we take Tests any of Dravid's knocks or Sachin's knock which are best in any conditions can be matched by VVS's.  That has been proven by me many times.  But for someone like you whose cricketing understandind does not extend beyond fanaticism about Dravid and Tendulkar it will be hard to realise.  But not to worry carry down that path.

People have provided all the statistics in other threads and you can check them out. Obviously SMG in the previous era has played the same kind of innings.

No one did provide anything excepting every one who understands the game well did say and acknowledge that VVS to be an equal to Sachin in Tests and  Dravid.

If you don't agree with that let it be and you can bring VVS to every other thread to showcase him as the greatest.  At least that is not as absurd as calling VVS to be compable to Hussey!

There is something that should make sense for someone to agree with another.  When blanket statements are made without proper backing they will not only be agreed upon but taken to task and blasted.

[teamindia]

No matter how much one tries, VVS will always be counted at no 4 when it comes to performance of the Fab Four.

[LosingNow]

No matter how much one tries, VVS will always be counted at no 4 when it comes to performance of the Fab Four.

..and in Rams' view that is not justified

--
IMO, he is #3 ahead of SG, career-wise AND since 2001 ..#2, ahead of SRT as well.

[poondu]

No matter how much one tries, VVS will always be counted at no 4 when it comes to performance of the Fab Four.

..and in Rams' view that is not justified

--
IMO, he is #3 ahead of SG, career-wise AND since 2001 ..#2, ahead of SRT as well.

I think most would agree that VVS is ahead of SG.There is nothing wrong in being 4th on this list. 

[teamindia]

No matter how much one tries, VVS will always be counted at no 4 when it comes to performance of the Fab Four.

..and in Rams' view that is not justified

--
IMO, he is #3 ahead of SG, career-wise AND since 2001 ..#2, ahead of SRT as well.

Not really if you take into account ODIs as well. We are talking over the career here.

[poondu]

No matter how much one tries, VVS will always be counted at no 4 when it comes to performance of the Fab Four.

..and in Rams' view that is not justified

--
IMO, he is #3 ahead of SG, career-wise AND since 2001 ..#2, ahead of SRT as well.

Not really if you take into account ODIs as well. We are talking over the career here.

IMO, fab4 is synonymous with test cricket only.  In ODI's VVS is definitely not part of the "fab"

[LosingNow]

No matter how much one tries, VVS will always be counted at no 4 when it comes to performance of the Fab Four.

..and in Rams' view that is not justified

--
IMO, he is #3 ahead of SG, career-wise AND since 2001 ..#2, ahead of SRT as well.

Not really if you take into account ODIs as well. We are talking over the career here.

Nah.. cant mix tests & ODIs. At least, I dont.

Here I am talking about tests only.

In ODIs, there is only Fab 2 - SRT and SG. VVS & RD are not even in the Fab 4 (coulda shoulda is a different discussion).

[teamindia]

No matter how much one tries, VVS will always be counted at no 4 when it comes to performance of the Fab Four.

..and in Rams' view that is not justified

--
IMO, he is #3 ahead of SG, career-wise AND since 2001 ..#2, ahead of SRT as well.

Not really if you take into account ODIs as well. We are talking over the career here.

Nah.. cant mix tests & ODIs. At least, I dont.

Here I am talking about tests only.

In ODIs, there is only Fab 2 - SRT and SG. VVS & RD are not even in the Fab 4 (coulda shoulda is a different discussion).

OK. Agree. 

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[ganavk]

No matter how much one tries, VVS will always be counted at no 4 when it comes to performance of the Fab Four.

..and in Rams' view that is not justified

--
IMO, he is #3 ahead of SG, career-wise AND since 2001 ..#2, ahead of SRT as well.

Not really if you take into account ODIs as well. We are talking over the career here.

Nah.. cant mix tests & ODIs. At least, I dont.

Here I am talking about tests only.

In ODIs, there is only Fab 2 - SRT and SG. VVS & RD are not even in the Fab 4 (coulda shoulda is a different discussion).

hmm...why different criteria when it comes to tests and one day matches. if you want to qualify and consider VVS as #2 since 2000 and if you apply the same logic to one day matches one can see that RD has superior record since 2000 in one day matches compared to SG or VVS.

Needless to say SRT is still the absolute champ even at this age !

SG:
Career averages       Span     Mat     Inns     NO     Runs     HS     Ave     BF     SR     100     50     0     4s     6s     
unfiltered    1992-2007    311    300    23    11363    183    41.02    15416    73.70    22    72    16    1122    190    Profile
filtered    2000-2007    169    163    12    5952    144    39.41    7976    74.62    10    40    11    569    129    

RD:
Career averages       Span     Mat     Inns     NO     Runs     HS     Ave     BF     SR     100     50     0     4s     6s     
unfiltered    1996-2007    333    308    40    10585    153    39.49    14862    71.22    12    81    13    930    40    Profile
filtered    2000-2007    208    190    31    6550    109*    41.19    8893    73.65    5    56    9    589    24    

[armchair_critic]

On one hand I feel like saying

SRT
filtered     2000-2009     86     146     15     6932     248*     52.91     12707     54.55     20     30     7     921     24
filtered     2000-2009     33     54        9     3070     248*     68.22     5565     55.16     12     9     1     395     11

VVS
filtered     2000-2009     89     146     23     6115     281     49.71     12193     50.15     14     34     8     835     4
filtered     2000-2009     33     49        4     2239     281     49.75     4325     51.76     4     14     1     316     2

(source cricinfo)
since 2000
SRT  Avg 52.91 VVS 49.71

since 2000 in wins
SRT Avg 68.22 VVS 49.75

How is VVS better than SRT???

On the other hand what does all this have to do with Chennai Kings??

[ramshorns]

On one hand I feel like saying

SRT
filtered     2000-2009     86     146     15     6932     248*     52.91     12707     54.55     20     30     7     921     24
filtered     2000-2009     33     54        9     3070     248*     68.22     5565     55.16     12     9     1     395     11

VVS
filtered     2000-2009     89     146     23     6115     281     49.71     12193     50.15     14     34     8     835     4
filtered     2000-2009     33     49        4     2239     281     49.75     4325     51.76     4     14     1     316     2

(source cricinfo)
since 2000
SRT  Avg 52.91 VVS 49.71

since 2000 in wins
SRT Avg 68.22 VVS 49.75

How is VVS better than SRT???

On the other hand what does all this have to do with Chennai Kings??

In case you are new to this what this DG does normally is seperate out BD and ZIM and list the rest of the games while doing statistical analysis.

These threads and discussions are dime a dozen.

I agree this thread has nothing to do with this.

[dextrous]

On one hand I feel like saying

SRT
filtered     2000-2009     86     146     15     6932     248*     52.91     12707     54.55     20     30     7     921     24
filtered     2000-2009     33     54        9     3070     248*     68.22     5565     55.16     12     9     1     395     11

VVS
filtered     2000-2009     89     146     23     6115     281     49.71     12193     50.15     14     34     8     835     4
filtered     2000-2009     33     49        4     2239     281     49.75     4325     51.76     4     14     1     316     2

(source cricinfo)
since 2000
SRT  Avg 52.91 VVS 49.71

since 2000 in wins
SRT Avg 68.22 VVS 49.75

How is VVS better than SRT???

On the other hand what does all this have to do with Chennai Kings??

In case you are new to this what this DG does normally is seperate out BD and ZIM and list the rest of the games while doing statistical analysis.

Only those who cannot prove their point with pure wholesome data