Topic: India v New Zealand, 1st Test, Hamilton (Read 8503 times)

gouravk · « **Reply #40 on:** March 17, 2009, 01:30:33 PM »

Quote from: ramshorns on March 17, 2009, 01:16:23 PM

Quote from: dhruvdeepak on March 17, 2009, 10:13:53 AM
i think we have to play munaf. balaji is too pedestrian, too NZ'ian.
I agree I will pick Munna Bhai over Bala as much as I like him for this game. Munaf is a good bowler and the coaches need to tutor him on the intensity part.

Rightt and test cricket is the place to do that. Wonderful.

gouravk · « **Reply #41 on:** March 17, 2009, 01:31:00 PM »

Quote from: Nagma on March 17, 2009, 01:22:31 PM

Munna bhai has the ability to hit 140. Balaji cant get t o 120.

Need Munna in the team ....

You are right .. he can hit 140 grins per minute.

Cover Point · « **Reply #42 on:** March 17, 2009, 01:45:44 PM »

he can do more than grins ...

You cant judge a bowler based on performances on small grounds and flat tracks. Anyone can lose it there.
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He was ok before. He was accurate too. Lets not be fickle fans

gouravk · « **Reply #43 on:** March 17, 2009, 01:49:15 PM »

haha .. believe me i would be the last person to judge a bowler's worth in the test spot based on his odi figures. my lack of belief in munaf comes in observing him and his deterioration over the past 2 and a half years.

ramshorns · « **Reply #44 on:** March 17, 2009, 02:03:49 PM »

Quote from: gouravk on March 17, 2009, 01:49:15 PM

haha .. believe me i would be the last person to judge a bowler's worth in the test spot based on his odi figures. my lack of belief in munaf comes in observing him and his deterioration over the past 2 and a half years.

You need to slow down. He is a good bowler despite him appearing lackadaisical on the field. He is good enough for a No.3 spot now that SS is always injury prone and the lesser we speak of Pathan the better. Between Bala and Munaf I would pick Munaf for this game since he is much quicker of the two and if they do indeed pick Bala good for him. He put in the hard yards and has earned it.

gouravk · « **Reply #45 on:** March 17, 2009, 02:08:43 PM »

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You need to slow down

And Munaf needs to speed up !

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He is a good bowler

So am I, at club level.

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He is good enough for a No.3 spot

Maybe in the maharashtra ranji team

gouravk · « **Reply #46 on:** March 17, 2009, 02:42:25 PM »

btw quick piece of trivia:

we have lost the toss and fielded first in the first test of our last 7 series !!!

ramshorns · « **Reply #47 on:** March 17, 2009, 03:26:36 PM »

Quote from: gouravk on March 17, 2009, 02:08:43 PM

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You need to slow down
And Munaf needs to speed up !

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He is a good bowler
So am I, at club level.

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He is good enough for a No.3 spot
Maybe in the maharashtra ranji team

Real funny. You make no sense here.

Munaf is faster than Bala so I do not see the merit in you saying that Munaf needs to speed up.

gouravk · « **Reply #48 on:** March 17, 2009, 03:27:58 PM »

munaf is what a mile faster than bala ? and bala has so much guile so many variations so many cutters, he can move the ball both ways ... what does munaf know other than to dawdle to the crease and hope the ball lands on a spot ?

ramshorns · « **Reply #49 on:** March 17, 2009, 03:30:50 PM »

Quote from: gouravk on March 17, 2009, 03:27:58 PM

munaf is what a mile faster than bala ? and bala has so much guile so many variations so many cutters, he can move the ball both ways ... what does munaf know other than to dawdle to the crease and hope the ball lands on a spot ?

You are now clutching on to the straws. Admit it when you see him in the 11 you will be miserable. At this point it is 50-50 that you will be.

gouravk · « **Reply #50 on:** March 17, 2009, 03:31:58 PM »

well im not sure id be miserable .. but id be very disappointed. looks like your primary interest is in seeing me disappointed

justforkix · « **Reply #51 on:** March 17, 2009, 03:32:52 PM »

Quote from: Nagma on March 17, 2009, 01:22:31 PM

Munna bhai has the ability to hit 140. Balaji cant get t o 120.

Munaf lost that ability from the 2nd test he played for India. In the last ODI, his speeds were at best 130. Balaji bowled at 130-135 in the Ranji QF and SF. The argument that Munaf is faster than Balaji cannot be justified. Their speeds are very much comparable.

Cover Point · « **Reply #52 on:** March 17, 2009, 03:36:20 PM »

Quote from: justforkix on March 17, 2009, 03:32:52 PM

Quote from: Nagma on March 17, 2009, 01:22:31 PM
Munna bhai has the ability to hit 140. Balaji cant get t o 120.

Munaf lost that ability from the 2nd test he played for India. In the last ODI, his speeds were at best 130. Balaji bowled at 130-135 in the Ranji QF and SF. The argument that Munaf is faster than Balaji cannot be justified. Their speeds are very much comparable.

i dont think thats true. I did watch him some games when I was in India and Balaji was much slower than he was before.

Munaf, has only played ODI's for a while now ... where his role is to tie the batsmen. I dont believe he has lost his ability to hit 140.

I dont think I have seen Balaji get even close to 130.

gouravk · « **Reply #53 on:** March 17, 2009, 03:37:37 PM »

i dont think it matters. even zaheer rarely gets to 140. does that mean to say he is a bowler comparable to munaf ?

justforkix · « **Reply #54 on:** March 17, 2009, 03:43:33 PM »

Quote from: gouravk on March 17, 2009, 03:31:58 PM

well im not sure id be miserable .. but id be very disappointed. looks like your primary interest is in seeing me disappointed

But for sure, Dhoni and Indian team will feel misaerable if Munaf plays in the XI

gouravk · « **Reply #55 on:** March 17, 2009, 03:45:58 PM »

im not so sure about that - i feel dhoni has this weird liking for munaf ... even tho he has been a waste all this time.

but good thing is dhoni likes balaji also

WicketView · « **Reply #56 on:** March 17, 2009, 09:35:23 PM »

"There was some talk about pushing the start by an hour (12 noon) for the sake of the Indian audience back home. However, New Zealand Cricket have told the broadcasters play will begin as scheduled at 11 am. Common sense prevails. The noon start is a little weird, from the players' point of view. Iain O'Brien even blogged about this when West Indies came over a few months ago. Besides, part of the thrill of watching cricket live on television is getting up at the oddest of hours to catch the first ball, which in this case is 3.30 am in India. Agree with me guys? All of us have done it at some point, tiptoeing across to the living room, frantically reducing the volume to keep the family from waking up."

12 am start ? I suppose the light stays around in NZ in summer, but this is pretty late summer.

dlee1 · « **Reply #57 on:** March 17, 2009, 09:40:20 PM »

india wins toss and elects to bowl!!!surprising decision as now a days u mostly expect the bat first..seems a defensive move atleast at the start..plus it is supposed to rain day 2/3 so that might make the pitch juicier and that is the time india will bat!!

WicketView · « **Reply #58 on:** March 17, 2009, 09:44:25 PM »

8 Harbhajan Singh, 9 Zaheer Khan, 10 Ishant Sharma, 11 Munaf Patel

are the bowlers.

ramshorns · « **Reply #59 on:** March 17, 2009, 09:44:26 PM »

Munaf Patel in the 11. Seems like a good move for the 3rd pace bowler in the pecking order.

Gourav's misery has begun at the toss. Hope Munaf with a 5'fer will brighten things up for him.

LosingNow · « **Reply #60 on:** March 17, 2009, 09:45:34 PM »

Toss: (10.30 am local) Mahendra Singh Dhoni has won the toss and India will bowl first.

India (from): 1 Gautam Gambhir, 2 Virender Sehwag, 3 Rahul Dravid, 4 Sachin Tendulkar, 5 VVS Laxman, 6 Yuvraj Singh, 7 Mahendra Singh Dhoni (capt & wk), 8 Harbhajan Singh, 9 Zaheer Khan, 10 Ishant Sharma, 11 Munaf Patel

New Zealand (from): 1 Tim McIntosh, 2 Martin Guptill, 3 Daniel Flynn, 4 Ross Taylor, 5 Jesse Ryder, 6 James Franklin, 7 Brendon McCullum (wk), 8 Daniel Vettori (capt), 9 Kyle Mills, 10 Iain O'Brien, 11 Chris Martin

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Interesting .. there must be juice in the pitch

gouravk · « **Reply #61 on:** March 17, 2009, 09:53:01 PM »

It looks EXTREMELY overcast. that might have played a role.

LosingNow · « **Reply #62 on:** March 17, 2009, 09:55:10 PM »

Dhoni said at the toss that the pitch will get better for batting as the match progresses. He obviously doesn't want his batsmen getting rolled over in the first couple of hours so it's a safe move. There is a layer of grass on the surface and the NZ openers will have to be careful.

Cover Point · « **Reply #63 on:** March 17, 2009, 10:02:23 PM »

good move. With the grass that they are showing .... it may make for tough batting

gouravk · « **Reply #64 on:** March 17, 2009, 10:03:43 PM »

good start by zak. also after picking munaf it kind of forced dhonis hand. it is obvious munaf is utterly useless when it comes to bowling a side out in the 4th inns

justforkix · « **Reply #65 on:** March 17, 2009, 10:18:24 PM »

IMO, that is 2 poor decisions by dhoni - picking useless Munaf and bowling 1st (defensive move) !!!!

Cover Point · « **Reply #66 on:** March 17, 2009, 10:20:06 PM »

Quote from: gouravk on March 17, 2009, 10:03:43 PM

good start by zak. also after picking munaf it kind of forced dhonis hand. it is obvious munaf is utterly useless when it comes to bowling a side out in the 4th inns

no trouble for kiwis so far. the bowling decision looking bad real early on

ganavk · « **Reply #67 on:** March 17, 2009, 10:22:03 PM »

Quote from: justforkix on March 17, 2009, 10:18:24 PM

IMO, that is 2 poor decisions by dhoni - picking useless Munaf and bowling 1st (defensive move) !!!!

Reminds of me that decision against Eng in their last tour by RD in Mumbai.
Let us see ..depends a lot on our bowlers

Cover Point · « **Reply #68 on:** March 17, 2009, 10:28:56 PM »

very little swing so far. Absolutely no seam movement. No major bounce either. Looks like a flat track to me.

Cover Point · « **Reply #69 on:** March 17, 2009, 10:31:19 PM »

Gupta ji gone. Simple ball .... just edges it to 3rd slip to our man Dravid

WicketView · « **Reply #70 on:** March 17, 2009, 10:33:49 PM »

ramshorns · « **Reply #71 on:** March 17, 2009, 10:35:07 PM »

Nice sharp catch on 2nd and 3rd attempt to hang on.

Cover Point · « **Reply #72 on:** March 17, 2009, 10:43:32 PM »

and She-wag seems to want a target to go after ... drops Taylor ... a simple catch that was.

LosingNow · « **Reply #73 on:** March 17, 2009, 11:03:41 PM »

Quote from: justforkix on March 17, 2009, 10:18:24 PM

IMO, that is 2 poor decisions by dhoni - picking useless Munaf and bowling 1st (defensive move) !!!!

ZK should have had 3.. that would have proven you wrong.

I agree, overall it is not the surface.. more like good bowling by ZK and (I suspect) the lack of class in NZ batting

LosingNow · « **Reply #74 on:** March 17, 2009, 11:04:28 PM »

Munna seems to be going through the motions

LosingNow · « **Reply #75 on:** March 17, 2009, 11:04:50 PM »

30/2, hour 1, day 1 of test. not bad!! 14 overs.

Cover Point · « **Reply #76 on:** March 17, 2009, 11:15:14 PM »

munna hitting 138 - 140 kph

LosingNow · « **Reply #77 on:** March 17, 2009, 11:17:51 PM »

Sharma takes out McIntosh.. this time Sehwag makes no mistake. 40/3

ramshorns · « **Reply #78 on:** March 17, 2009, 11:25:29 PM »

Quote from: Nagma on March 17, 2009, 11:15:14 PM

munna hitting 138 - 140 kph

That is good. I always thought of him more suitable to the longer version than the shorter version. I think he will eventually succeed in this inning.

LosingNow · « **Reply #79 on:** March 17, 2009, 11:25:56 PM »

now the real NZ batting starts.. ryder, taylor and mccullum .. interesting

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