Topic: India v New Zealand, 1st Test, Hamilton (Read 8503 times)

gouravk · « **on:** March 16, 2009, 02:14:24 PM »

The rubbish is out of the way and the real thing begins. Less than 32 hours to go. Early reports indicate Balaji might play !

gouravk · « **Reply #1 on:** March 16, 2009, 04:28:27 PM »

After facing two balls from Ishant, Tendulkar went up to the bowler and asked, "Are you trying to get it to move in?" The first two deliveries hadn't actually moved in. Ishant replied in the affirmative and Tendulkar went on to tell him he was making it too obvious. "It seems you are trying too hard to move it in," Tendulkar said, and went on to show him the release that was required - not a big jerk of the wrist, but a smooth push just before letting the ball go. "You might over-pitch for a while, but keep trying it. First get the release right, the rest will come automatically."

Ishant over-pitched for a while, slowly getting the inward movement going until he beat Tendulkar with one that nipped in sharply. "Ye achcha tha [This one was better]," came the acknowledgment. The exchange was as much as an acknowledgment of how well Tendulkar knows the game (he could see, while trying to focus on his batting, what was wrong with the bowler's wrist at the time of release) as also the fact that containment was not the key here. Ishant was ready to bowl loose deliveries just to get back his No. 1 delivery.

The next batsman in the same net was Virender Sehwag. The first ball he faced from Ishant jagged back in, got the inside edge, hit the thigh and took the leg stump. It's good that the Tests are around.

WicketView · « **Reply #2 on:** March 16, 2009, 04:45:14 PM »

Quote from: gouravk on March 16, 2009, 04:28:27 PM

After facing two balls from Ishant, Tendulkar went up to the bowler and asked, "Are you trying to get it to move in?" The first two deliveries hadn't actually moved in. Ishant replied in the affirmative and Tendulkar went on to tell him he was making it too obvious. "It seems you are trying too hard to move it in," Tendulkar said, and went on to show him the release that was required - not a big jerk of the wrist, but a smooth push just before letting the ball go. "You might over-pitch for a while, but keep trying it. First get the release right, the rest will come automatically."

Ishant over-pitched for a while, slowly getting the inward movement going until he beat Tendulkar with one that nipped in sharply. "Ye achcha tha [This one was better]," came the acknowledgment. The exchange was as much as an acknowledgment of how well Tendulkar knows the game (he could see, while trying to focus on his batting, what was wrong with the bowler's wrist at the time of release) as also the fact that containment was not the key here. Ishant was ready to bowl loose deliveries just to get back his No. 1 delivery.

The next batsman in the same net was Virender Sehwag. The first ball he faced from Ishant jagged back in, got the inside edge, hit the thigh and took the leg stump. It's good that the Tests are around.

Where is this from?

kban1 · « **Reply #3 on:** March 16, 2009, 04:48:32 PM »

Here

The Tests are here

Sidharth Monga in Hamilton

March 16, 2009

The first thing Daniel Vettori did upon arriving at Seddon Park, two days before the first Test, was to have a look at the pitch. He inspected it for a good five to ten minutes and then chatted with the curator Karl Johnson. The Indian batsmen did some shadow practice at the pitch before fielding practice and a net session.

That, if people didn't know already, was a clear indication that the Tests are about to begin for until now on the tour, no one has bothered to look at the pitch even a day before the match.

In Wellington, the teams made their first visits to the venue two hours before the toss. Things have changed, the pitch is being talked about, long-term weather forecasts are being sought, and the anticipation is kicking in. Pyjamas to flannels is a bit of cliché - given the innovative whites teams wear nowadays - but the Test match mood has kicked in.

The anticipation for the Tests showed not only in the interest around the pitch - which looks deliciously green now with the grass yet to be shaved off - but also in the increased intensity of the training sessions. Both teams spent about three hours each at Seddon Park and there seemed more purpose to the way they went about their business in the nets.

So far batsmen played to imaginary one-day fields and looked to hit big, innovate, and played shots that would get them singles, while the bowlers tried to contain them. The Test intensity today was summed up by one exchange. Sachin Tendulkar padded up first for India, to face Ishant Sharma, Zaheer Khan, L Balaji and a few local net bowlers.

After facing two balls from Ishant, Tendulkar went up to the bowler and asked, "Are you trying to get it to move in?" The first two deliveries hadn't actually moved in. Ishant replied in the affirmative and Tendulkar went on to tell him he was making it too obvious. "It seems you are trying too hard to move it in," Tendulkar said, and went on to show him the release that was required - not a big jerk of the wrist, but a smooth push just before letting the ball go. "You might over-pitch for a while, but keep trying it. First get the release right, the rest will come automatically."

Ishant over-pitched for a while, slowly getting the inward movement going until he beat Tendulkar with one that nipped in sharply. "Ye achcha tha [This one was better]," came the acknowledgment. The exchange was as much as an acknowledgment of how well Tendulkar knows the game (he could see, while trying to focus on his batting, what was wrong with the bowler's wrist at the time of release) as also the fact that containment was not the key here. Ishant was ready to bowl loose deliveries just to get back his No. 1 delivery.

The next batsman in the same net was Virender Sehwag. The first ball he faced from Ishant jagged back in, got the inside edge, hit the thigh and took the leg stump. It's good that the Tests are around.

http://content.cricinfo.com/nzvind2009/content/story/395388.html

justforkix · « **Reply #4 on:** March 16, 2009, 04:52:08 PM »

given the other 3rd seamer choices are the giggling munaf or newbie Kulkarni, picking Balaji is a no-brainer.

If conditions/pitch help swing/seam, this bowling combo can be deadly if Balaji is as good as his domestic form suggests. Balaji's outswing, Ishant's inswing and Zaheer's left-arm is superb variety.

12th_Man · « **Reply #5 on:** March 16, 2009, 05:21:50 PM »

If Balu(Balaji

gets to play this one, it will be long awaited comeback. Something he could't have helped while he was in his prime. Hopefully he will have it counted.
Cmmon Balaji !!! Hard work and perserverance pays off( don't tell Badri about it).

gouravk · « **Reply #6 on:** March 16, 2009, 06:00:49 PM »

balaji balaji balaji !!!! hip hip hoorraayy !!

dextrous · « **Reply #7 on:** March 16, 2009, 07:08:21 PM »

why dont we like munaf anymore

gouravk · « **Reply #8 on:** March 16, 2009, 07:10:47 PM »

i hope thats a rhetorical question ...

WicketView · « **Reply #9 on:** March 16, 2009, 07:45:03 PM »

I think the important question is why this keeps happening to our bowlers?

Do we mis-identify prospects? In that they seem talented but miss something, or are not prepared to work hard enough?

Or is it that we systematically blunt our bowlers or don't give them something that they need. Are there any alternatives?

I guess it will be a combination of the two.

gouravk · « **Reply #10 on:** March 16, 2009, 07:49:32 PM »

it would help if you could clarify what you mean by "this" in the first sentence ...

WicketView · « **Reply #11 on:** March 16, 2009, 07:55:40 PM »

Quote from: gouravk on March 16, 2009, 07:49:32 PM

it would help if you could clarify what you mean by "this" in the first sentence ...

"this" = Bowlers who are inducted into the Indian team, presumably because of good performance and promise, after a few outings turn out to be bowlers who most agree should not be playing for India.

Cover Point · « **Reply #12 on:** March 16, 2009, 08:50:18 PM »

Quote from: WicketView on March 16, 2009, 07:55:40 PM

Quote from: gouravk on March 16, 2009, 07:49:32 PM
it would help if you could clarify what you mean by "this" in the first sentence ...
"this" = Bowlers who are inducted into the Indian team, presumably because of good performance and promise, after a few outings turn out to be bowlers who most agree should not be playing for India.

simple.

too much cricket and too many unhelpful conditions force them to bowl within themselves and then they lose that extra oomph needed.

or it could be ganguly's fault

LosingNow · « **Reply #13 on:** March 16, 2009, 09:42:27 PM »

Has Praveen gone back to India? He was swinging the ball well.

gouravk · « **Reply #14 on:** March 16, 2009, 09:53:27 PM »

Quote from: WicketView on March 16, 2009, 07:55:40 PM

Quote from: gouravk on March 16, 2009, 07:49:32 PM
it would help if you could clarify what you mean by "this" in the first sentence ...
"this" = Bowlers who are inducted into the Indian team, presumably because of good performance and promise, after a few outings turn out to be bowlers who most agree should not be playing for India.

well there are several reasons and explanations. there is some variation in these across bowlers - say nehra, irfan, munaf, vrv singh, rp singh and sreesanth. altho i have not written off the last 2 in that list.

gouravk · « **Reply #15 on:** March 16, 2009, 09:53:46 PM »

Quote from: Nagma on March 16, 2009, 08:50:18 PM

Quote from: WicketView on March 16, 2009, 07:55:40 PM
Quote from: gouravk on March 16, 2009, 07:49:32 PM
it would help if you could clarify what you mean by "this" in the first sentence ...
"this" = Bowlers who are inducted into the Indian team, presumably because of good performance and promise, after a few outings turn out to be bowlers who most agree should not be playing for India.

simple.

too much cricket and too many unhelpful conditions force them to bowl within themselves and then they lose that extra oomph needed.

or it could be ganguly's fault

or it could just be laziness

gouravk · « **Reply #16 on:** March 16, 2009, 09:54:20 PM »

Quote from: winningnow on March 16, 2009, 09:42:27 PM

Has Praveen gone back to India? He was swinging the ball well.

I don't know if he has gone back to India but I do know he was not picked in the test squad.

LosingNow · « **Reply #17 on:** March 16, 2009, 10:37:26 PM »

Quote from: gouravk on March 16, 2009, 09:54:20 PM

Quote from: winningnow on March 16, 2009, 09:42:27 PM
Has Praveen gone back to India? He was swinging the ball well.
I don't know if he has gone back to India but I do know he was not picked in the test squad.

Bummer.. he has a knack for taking wickets. I would have put him ahead of Balaji, Kulkarni et al.

justforkix · « **Reply #18 on:** March 17, 2009, 03:00:01 AM »

Quote from: dextrous on March 16, 2009, 07:08:21 PM

why dont we like munaf anymore

i never liked him - he was, is, and will remain useless.

justforkix · « **Reply #19 on:** March 17, 2009, 03:02:58 AM »

Quote from: winningnow on March 16, 2009, 09:42:27 PM

Has Praveen gone back to India? He was swinging the ball well.

yes, gone !! we should have cut Munaf and kept PeeKe in the squad.

justforkix · « **Reply #20 on:** March 17, 2009, 03:04:54 AM »

btw, pitch has a green tinge and conditions will be overcast with some rain in the air. will definitely aid swing/seam bowling.

LosingNow · « **Reply #21 on:** March 17, 2009, 03:11:37 AM »

Quote from: justforkix on March 17, 2009, 03:00:01 AM

Quote from: dextrous on March 16, 2009, 07:08:21 PM
why dont we like munaf anymore

i never liked him - he was, is, and will remain useless.

..and has a pathetic sense of professionalism.

I still cannot come to grips with his grinning while he was losing the plot in the 3rd match. What a moron? I still cant understand what he was finding funny about being tonked all over the place while bowling waist high full tosses. someone should have given him a tongue-lashing.

gouravk · « **Reply #22 on:** March 17, 2009, 03:31:55 AM »

to be fair to him he grins all the time not just when he is being humiliated

the other day when we were collapsing and the whole dressing room was tense he was grinning also

rsharma · « **Reply #23 on:** March 17, 2009, 03:46:51 AM »

Munaf's recent odi performance was bad. but he has done well before. i think he can be very good and effective. his issue is maintaining fitness.

LosingNow · « **Reply #24 on:** March 17, 2009, 03:52:04 AM »

Anyway, back to test team.

IMO, it should be VS, GG, VVS, SRT, YS, RD, MSD, HS, AM, IS, ZK. Play 2 spinners - that is our strength. I like VVS at #3.

gouravk · « **Reply #25 on:** March 17, 2009, 03:55:01 AM »

nah. the wicket has grass. it is overcast. we have no ganguly to provide back up seam. so no second spinner.

poondu · « **Reply #26 on:** March 17, 2009, 03:58:23 AM »

Quote from: winningnow on March 17, 2009, 03:52:04 AM

Anyway, back to test team.

IMO, it should be VS, GG, VVS, SRT, YS, RD, MSD, HS, AM, IS, ZK. Play 2 spinners - that is our strength. I like VVS at #3.

I would have Balaji over AM. From the initial reports,Wicket seems to be helpful for seam/swing bowling. We also don't have anyone in the team who can bowl seamers like SG. So there is no way we can go with 2 spinners unless we want to drop a batsman.

justforkix · « **Reply #27 on:** March 17, 2009, 04:09:55 AM »

Quote from: winningnow on March 17, 2009, 03:52:04 AM

Anyway, back to test team.

IMO, it should be VS, GG, VVS, SRT, YS, RD, MSD, HS, AM, IS, ZK. Play 2 spinners - that is our strength. I like VVS at #3.

on this wicket

- u must be crazy

broadbat · « **Reply #28 on:** March 17, 2009, 04:44:27 AM »

Quote from: poondu on March 17, 2009, 03:58:23 AM

Quote from: winningnow on March 17, 2009, 03:52:04 AM
Anyway, back to test team.

IMO, it should be VS, GG, VVS, SRT, YS, RD, MSD, HS, AM, IS, ZK. Play 2 spinners - that is our strength. I like VVS at #3.
I would have Balaji over AM. From the initial reports,Wicket seems to be helpful for seam/swing bowling. We also don't have anyone in the team who can bowl seamers like SG. So there is no way we can go with 2 spinners unless we want to drop a batsman.

Btw Ganguly has no wickets in Tests in NZ.

LosingNow · « **Reply #29 on:** March 17, 2009, 04:48:44 AM »

Quote from: justforkix on March 17, 2009, 04:09:55 AM

Quote from: winningnow on March 17, 2009, 03:52:04 AM
Anyway, back to test team.

IMO, it should be VS, GG, VVS, SRT, YS, RD, MSD, HS, AM, IS, ZK. Play 2 spinners - that is our strength. I like VVS at #3.

on this wicket - u must be crazy

I read somewhere, NZ played Vettori and Patel on this track and beat England.

It looks like a green one today.. but come match day??

gouravk · « **Reply #30 on:** March 17, 2009, 05:05:12 AM »

i think if it comes down to that yuvi can do a good job as second spinner ...

justforkix · « **Reply #31 on:** March 17, 2009, 05:20:07 AM »

Quote from: winningnow on March 17, 2009, 04:48:44 AM

Quote from: justforkix on March 17, 2009, 04:09:55 AM
Quote from: winningnow on March 17, 2009, 03:52:04 AM
Anyway, back to test team.

IMO, it should be VS, GG, VVS, SRT, YS, RD, MSD, HS, AM, IS, ZK. Play 2 spinners - that is our strength. I like VVS at #3.

on this wicket - u must be crazy
I read somewhere, NZ played Vettori and Patel on this track and beat England.

It looks like a green one today.. but come match day??

last year, the pitch was flat, slow, and took spin later on and remember NZ had Oram, so they were effectively playing 3 seamers + 2 spinners. There is no way, NZ will provide any such pitches for India. Also, with Franklin and Vettori being decent bats, NZ can still go with 5 bowlers. Unless we play 5 bowlers, I don't see how we can ever go with 2 seamers + 2 spinners here unless the pitch is really dry and will take spin. Even if they shave off all grass, given the weather, it will not be baked by sun and breakup. So, don't see any reason to play 2 spinners here unless we play 5 bowlers.

justforkix · « **Reply #32 on:** March 17, 2009, 05:20:54 AM »

Quote from: gouravk on March 17, 2009, 05:05:12 AM

i think if it comes down to that yuvi can do a good job as second spinner ...

and Veeru too.

Libran · « **Reply #33 on:** March 17, 2009, 08:29:16 AM »

And Sachin can pitch in a few overs of his legspin, offspin and doogly
(doosra+googly)

dhruvdeepak · « **Reply #34 on:** March 17, 2009, 10:13:53 AM »

i think we have to play munaf. balaji is too pedestrian, too NZ'ian.

gouravk · « **Reply #35 on:** March 17, 2009, 01:04:18 PM »

and munaf is not ?

Cover Point · « **Reply #36 on:** March 17, 2009, 01:11:36 PM »

Quote from: winningnow on March 17, 2009, 03:11:37 AM

Quote from: justforkix on March 17, 2009, 03:00:01 AM
Quote from: dextrous on March 16, 2009, 07:08:21 PM
why dont we like munaf anymore

i never liked him - he was, is, and will remain useless.
..and has a pathetic sense of professionalism.

I still cannot come to grips with his grinning while he was losing the plot in the 3rd match. What a moron? I still cant understand what he was finding funny about being tonked all over the place while bowling waist high full tosses. someone should have given him a tongue-lashing.

i think that is being too harsh. It was a wry smile.

gouravk · « **Reply #37 on:** March 17, 2009, 01:12:27 PM »

no no .. what balaji has a wry smile ... what courtney walsh had was a wry smile ... what munaf does is grin like an oaf !

ramshorns · « **Reply #38 on:** March 17, 2009, 01:16:23 PM »

Quote from: dhruvdeepak on March 17, 2009, 10:13:53 AM

i think we have to play munaf. balaji is too pedestrian, too NZ'ian.

I agree I will pick Munna Bhai over Bala as much as I like him for this game. Munaf is a good bowler and the coaches need to tutor him on the intensity part.

Cover Point · « **Reply #39 on:** March 17, 2009, 01:22:31 PM »

Munna bhai has the ability to hit 140. Balaji cant get t o 120.

Need Munna in the team ....

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