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[12th_Man]

Look at the avg of our Dhoni guy !!! His penchant for remaining  not out.

http://stats.cricinfo.com/ci/engine/records/averages/batting_bowling_by_team.html?id=4547;team=6;type=series

Player   Mat   Inns   NO   Runs   HS   Ave   SR
MSD   4   3   2   175   84*   175   105.42
SRT   3   3   1   244   163*   122   108.44
S R   4   3   2   117   66   117   180
V S   4   4   1   259   125*   86.33     150.58
G G   4   3   1   108   63*   54  83.07
Y S   4   3   0   89   87   29.66   115.58
Y P   4   2   2   21   20*   -   175

[kban1]

The 2nd SRT is SR (Raina) isnt it ?

[12th_Man]

yea. thx . modified . Had to do some spacing to make it readable, thus lost the real feature 

[12th_Man]

Bowling:

Player   Mat   Inns   Overs   Runs   Wkts   Ave   Econ   SR
YK Pathan   4   3   9.4   37   3   12.33   3.82   19.3
Z Khan   4   3   25   133   4   33.25   5.32   37.5
Harbhajan Singh   4   3   22   133   5   26.6   6.04   26.4
Yuvraj Singh   4   3   25   153   4   38.25   6.12   37.5
P Kumar   4   3   21.1   139   3   46.33   6.56   42.3
I Sharma   1   1   8   57   2   28.5   7.12   24
MM Patel   3   2   9.2   93   0   -   9.96   -

[kban1]

I think playing Ishant Sharma in ODIs and T20's is a HUGE mistake. I have been watching him for a while and I have felt for quite a while that all it will do to such a precocious talent is blunt him --make him from an attacking test bowler to a restrictive blunt bowler.

personally, I would introduce him to the shorter version after a couple of years --after he gets  a little maturity and experience whereby he is not pressured and is better able to handle the transition.

[gouravk]

or, to put it concisely he is too good for odis 

like vvs and dravid

[kban1]

or, to put it concisely he is too good for odis 

like vvs and dravid

he is too young for ODI's -- he gives away a lot of runs and I fear that the pressure to rectify that will turn him into a restrictive bowler much like it did to the great Kapil for a while. In that case, Kapil was able to come back and correct himself, precisely because he was vastly experienced and mature. Ishant is not. hence the worry

[12th_Man]

I share the same feelings as KBAN w.r.t TT. Not too sure abt ODI for now. For TT's definately, he needs to sit out rather getting injured and being away from tests. Bowlers are anyway mauled in TT's .
At the same time, playing international games(ODI's) also makes a bowler a thinking bowler and exposes the strengths and weakness of top bats along with other strategies the game brings.
No question that IS has to be preserved for long haul.

[12th_Man]

or, to put it concisely he is too good for odis 

like vvs and dravid

Is that why they lost their places in ODIS ? Was it the monkeyman or were it the players themselves ?

[LosingNow]

I think playing Ishant Sharma in ODIs and T20's is a HUGE mistake. I have been watching him for a while and I have felt for quite a while that all it will do to such a precocious talent is blunt him --make him from an attacking test bowler to a restrictive blunt bowler.

personally, I would introduce him to the shorter version after a couple of years --after he gets  a little maturity and experience whereby he is not pressured and is better able to handle the transition.

Totally agree.. this guy's career needs to be handled with care

[WicketView]

I think ODI is no different than 2020 in this respect. They are both burial grounds for bowlers.

[LosingNow]

I think ODI is no different than 2020 in this respect.

It is a matter of degrees.. 5RPO vs 8RPO

They are both burial grounds for bowlers.

you mean test (ie wicket taking) bowlers.

I do believe bowlers play a huge role in consistently winning ODIs and 20-20s.. they just need to be adept at different skills - containment and/or ability to take wickets when being attacked.

[WicketView]

I think ODI is no different than 2020 in this respect.

It is a matter of degrees.. 5RPO vs 8RPO

I think the point is that in both of these the bowlers are under pressure to contain the batsmen,  leading to less ambitious deliveries in terms of taking wickets.

They are both burial grounds for bowlers.

you mean test (ie wicket taking) bowlers.

I do believe bowlers play a huge role in consistently winning ODIs and 20-20s.. they just need to be adept at different skills - containment and/or ability to take wickets when being attacked.

Yes. I think this adapting leads to blunted skills of taking wickets. Particularly, when they play more of the limited overs stuff than tests.

[12th_Man]

Agree at a high level for minimising him in ODI's. But I think that experience is necessary. In a test, there are times when you need to take wickets, there are times when you need to slow the scoring rates, there are times when a team needs to accelerate. The game is more than defending ball and taking wickets.
May not be in all 5 ODIS, but one or two to develop that additional dimension. But I see Kban's point as well. he is not against introduction in ODI's, He is just looking at late introduction.
This also challenges the BCCI ongoing strategy of being TT--> ODI --TestMatches as the cricketers growth path.

[teamindia]

Is it more readable now?

Code: [Select]

Player   Mat   Inns   NO   Runs   HS   Ave   SR
MSD   4   3   2   175   84*   175   105.42
SRT   3   3   1   244   163*   122   108.44
S R   4   3   2   117   66   117   180
V S   4   4   1   259   125*   86.33     150.58
G G   4   3   1   108   63*   54  83.07
Y S   4   3   0   89   87   29.66   115.58
Y P   4   2   2   21   20*   -   175


[justforkix]

btw, we will be #1 if we win on Saturday

SA - 125
Aus - 124
Ind - 123

[teamindia]

btw, we will be #1 if we win on Saturday

SA - 125
Aus - 124
Ind - 123

No. we will still be at 2 or 3 with 124 points if we win.

[justforkix]

yes, you are right. we won't be #1 even if we win. But we will definitely move to #2 - 0.23 pts ahead of Aus. Aussies are 123.53 and if we win, we get to 123.76.

[LosingNow]

yes, you are right. we won't be #1 even if we win. But we will definitely move to #2 - 0.23 pts ahead of Aus. Aussies are 123.53 and if we win, we get to 123.76.

Would we have been #1, if the series was won 5-0 .. damn, washouts!

[teamindia]

yes, you are right. we won't be #1 even if we win. But we will definitely move to #2 - 0.23 pts ahead of Aus. Aussies are 123.53 and if we win, we get to 123.76.

Would we have been #1, if the series was won 5-0 .. damn, washouts!

and had Eng not left in between we would have beaten them 7-0
 

[12th_Man]

Patience friends. If the team has enough talent and aura, We will get there.

[gouravk]

haha .. when were were nowhere close to being no. 1 we used to dish the rankings as being  pointless ... now we are after it to secure it in any way possible 

[ramshorns]

haha .. when were were nowhere close to being no. 1 we used to dish the rankings as being  pointless ... now we are after it to secure it in any way possible 

Yes I heard that a millions times before.  lol..again.

[justforkix]

yes, you are right. we won't be #1 even if we win. But we will definitely move to #2 - 0.23 pts ahead of Aus. Aussies are 123.53 and if we win, we get to 123.76.

Would we have been #1, if the series was won 5-0 .. damn, washouts!

and had Eng not left in between we would have beaten them 7-0
 

I suspect we will be #1 in a couple of week anyways, since Aus and SA meet each other in 5-match ODI series in 2 weeks. If that is a tight series, we may become #1.

btw, Pak has crept up to #4 by virtue of not playing anyone

[justforkix]

haha .. when were were nowhere close to being no. 1 we used to dish the rankings as being  pointless ... now we are after it to secure it in any way possible 

that is because, previously, it was always only a fight for #2 as Aussies were so far ahead of the rest of the pack.

[LosingNow]

I suspect we will be #1 in a couple of week anyways, since Aus and SA meet each other in 5-match ODI series in 2 weeks. If that is a tight series, we may become #1.

how is this mathematically possible, SA-125 is playing Aus - 124 and we will be at 123, if we win Sat. How can both SA and Aus go below 123 when they are playing each other?

[Cover Point]

If it is a close series between Aus and SA then India will be #2 (assuming we win next one) and Aus emerge #1.

But the next game after that series is Pak vs Aus and if Pak wins that one (April 22) then India can be #1 at 124 points and both SA and Aus will be at 123 points.

Doable IMO.


http://icc-cricket.yahoo.com/rankings/iccrankingpredictor/predictor-odi.html

[justforkix]

I suspect we will be #1 in a couple of week anyways, since Aus and SA meet each other in 5-match ODI series in 2 weeks. If that is a tight series, we may become #1.

how is this mathematically possible, SA-125 is playing Aus - 124 and we will be at 123, if we win Sat. How can both SA and Aus go below 123 when they are playing each other?

yes, mathematically impossible, I agree 

[12th_Man]

I suspect we will be #1 in a couple of week anyways, since Aus and SA meet each other in 5-match ODI series in 2 weeks. If that is a tight series, we may become #1.

how is this mathematically possible, SA-125 is playing Aus - 124 and we will be at 123, if we win Sat. How can both SA and Aus go below 123 when they are playing each other?

yes, mathematically impossible, I agree 

May be BCCI can get this done 

[LosingNow]

If it is a close series between Aus and SA then India will be #2 (assuming we win next one) and Aus emerge #1.

But the next game after that series is Pak vs Aus and if Pak wins that one (April 22) then India can be #1 at 124 points and both SA and Aus will be at 123 points.

Doable IMO.


http://icc-cricket.yahoo.com/rankings/iccrankingpredictor/predictor-odi.html

Possible but will not happen. Aussies will crush the pakis in the series (including the 1st odi).

[keep-it-cool]

btw, Pak has crept up to #4 by virtue of not playing anyone

Not quite true. They did lose 1-2 to the Lankans, didn't they? That should count for something in the way these rankings are constructed. What nonsense!

[gopolks]

If New Zealand does the impossible and wins this test series, where will the blackcaps be ranked?

[justforkix]

If New Zealand does the impossible and wins this test series, where will the blackcaps be ranked?

If NZ beat Ind 3-0, they will jump from 81 pts to 93 pts and move up from #8 to #7.