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[LosingNow]

210-220 would be good. 60-70 runs in the next 9 overs

[LosingNow]

ok.. they changed it to 34 overs now

[broadbat]

YP will be crucial in this scenario.

[LosingNow]

drizzling again

[LosingNow]

YP will be crucial in this scenario.

Yep.. the ball is wet too

[LosingNow]

pp3 taken

[LosingNow]

6 runs in that over pp3's first

[LosingNow]

GG falls

[LosingNow]

hmm.. raina ahead of YP in PP. interesting

[LosingNow]

9 in that over.. and wicket lost

[LosingNow]

7 in that last over of PP.. total 22 in PP3

[teamindia]

21 runs and a wicket in 3 overs of batting powerplay.

6 over remains..  230 without losing anymore wicket should be good enough I think.

[LosingNow]

188/4, 28.4ov. rain again. that should be the end of indian innings

[KKIRANK61]

a 19 ball 23 by a rusted MSD. Good by general atd but not by MSDs original std. Even raina was more fast than MSD. My point justified as written in another fresh thread. MSD was unable to do anything forceful.

[WicketView]

a 19 ball 23 by a rusted MSD. Good by general atd but not by MSDs original std. Even raina was more fast than MSD. My point justified as written in another fresh thread. MSD was unable to do anything forceful.

Right. Raina came in when he had to throw the bat with no alternative ... and he did. His 13 comprised 2 fours which went nowhere in the direction intended.

Obviously this is not meant to be a criticism of Raina who did what was required, but to point out that comparisons being made are meaningless.

[ramshorns]

Being a better runner than SG or RD at this stage of Tendulkar's career is not a reason enough for him to be selected in ODI's.  They had their chance to come big in WC and together laid an egg.  Time for new era in Indian one day era sans SG/SRT/RD.  I am consistently saying that since the WC exit.

And Sachin is consistently proving you wrong since then by winning matches for India.

No not really.  Dhoni and YS are more valuable in terms of ODI batsman than him today in this team.  In the broader sense India could have tried players like Kohli in SRT's place just as Raina and GG in RD's and SG's place.

And anyways, he's selected in ODIs because he is performing. PERIOD.

So was Ganguly in terms of scoring runs at the time of being dropped.

[LosingNow]

match abandoned.

[ramshorns]

sg was dropped unfairly. i think he had another 2 years left in the odi side of things except for his fielding which pulled him down. RD was a little too slow and just did not make the cut i my view.

I do not think SG was dropped unfairly in ODI's and niether was RD and dropping SRT would not have been either after the WC debacle.  All are past their sell by date for them to make any impact on the team results.  WC was a great barometer to make that call.

SRT is a good fielder, scores runs and has experience.

You got to be kidding me that Tendulkar is a good fielder.  He cannot even throw these days because of a bad shoulder and hence is hiding in the inner circle for most part. As for scoring runs and experience any one who played upwards of 10 years in international cricket and in decent form has that.  It is just not confined to Tendulkar alone and that should not be the reason alone to select a player when team needs and results are taken into consideration.

Yep, the same past sell by date guy won us the CB series, arguably our best toruney win since 1985. But I guess any X, Y, Z could have done that 

Yeah we all know how well he played in WC 2007 against BD and SL easily inarguably the most humiliating moment in Indian One day history and there is no way he should have continued after that. 

Of course he was a failure in WC 2007. Why should that spell the end for a player?

This team won without him 5-0 against England and that is besides the point I am trying to make since it is a given this team will win with or without Tendulkar.  IMO the exit point for all these guys was WC 2007 after the humiliation they brought to themselves and their fans.

That should not alone spell an end to a player(WC loss) but when a certian player(S) is 34 plus it was time to move on.  In fact similar sentiments were expressed in the aftermath of the WC debacle by many on this DG.

[ramshorns]

Yeah we all know how well he played in WC 2007 against BD and SL easily inarguably the most humiliating moment in Indian One day history and there is no way he should have continued after that. 

happens all the time in cricket. You win some, you lose some. Lost 2 matches in WC2007. Beat the world champions in a best of 3 finals 2-0 in their own backyard

This team won without him 5-0 against England and that is besides the point I am trying to make since it is a given this team will win with or without Tendulkar.  IMO the exit point for all these guys was WC 2007 after the humiliation they brought to themselves and their fans.

No, we don't need Sachin to beat the #7 team in the world. But we will still need him to consistently beat the top sides in the world like Aus and SA.

As a matter of fact it never happened.  All the 13 or so finals debacles are very well documented in which Tendulkar was a part of since 2001 or so.  WC 2007 should have been the nail in the coffin.

[WicketView]

Being a better runner than SG or RD at this stage of Tendulkar's career is not a reason enough for him to be selected in ODI's.  They had their chance to come big in WC and together laid an egg.  Time for new era in Indian one day era sans SG/SRT/RD.  I am consistently saying that since the WC exit.

And Sachin is consistently proving you wrong since then by winning matches for India.

No not really.  Dhoni and YS are more valuable in terms of ODI batsman than him today in this team.  In the broader sense India could have tried players like Kohli in SRT's place just as Raina and GG in RD's and SG's place.

And anyways, he's selected in ODIs because he is performing. PERIOD.

So was Ganguly in terms of scoring runs at the time of being dropped.

There was a valid question mark about Ganguly since his return. He could score runs, and hold one side. Could he accelerate if necessary? I don't think we ever got evidence of a positive answer. The same is simply untrue of SRT.

[WicketView]

sg was dropped unfairly. i think he had another 2 years left in the odi side of things except for his fielding which pulled him down. RD was a little too slow and just did not make the cut i my view.

I do not think SG was dropped unfairly in ODI's and niether was RD and dropping SRT would not have been either after the WC debacle.  All are past their sell by date for them to make any impact on the team results.  WC was a great barometer to make that call.

SRT is a good fielder, scores runs and has experience.

You got to be kidding me that Tendulkar is a good fielder.  He cannot even throw these days because of a bad shoulder and hence is hiding in the inner circle for most part. As for scoring runs and experience any one who played upwards of 10 years in international cricket and in decent form has that.  It is just not confined to Tendulkar alone and that should not be the reason alone to select a player when team needs and results are taken into consideration.

Yep, the same past sell by date guy won us the CB series, arguably our best toruney win since 1985. But I guess any X, Y, Z could have done that 

Yeah we all know how well he played in WC 2007 against BD and SL easily inarguably the most humiliating moment in Indian One day history and there is no way he should have continued after that. 

Of course he was a failure in WC 2007. Why should that spell the end for a player?

This team won without him 5-0 against England and that is besides the point I am trying to make since it is a given this team will win with or without Tendulkar.  IMO the exit point for all these guys was WC 2007 after the humiliation they brought to themselves and their fans.

That should not alone spell an end to a player(WC loss) but when a certian player(S) is 34 plus it was time to move on.  In fact similar sentiments were expressed in the aftermath of the WC debacle by many on this DG.

And I have disagreements with all of them. In general, it may be expected that a player's performance detoriates beyond a certain age. But what you care about are wins, and therefore performances. So, why second guess performances by age when you can check performances themselves?

[justforkix]

And Sachin is consistently proving you wrong since then by winning matches for India.

No not really.

Yes. he has.

And anyways, he's selected in ODIs because he is performing. PERIOD.

So was Ganguly in terms of scoring runs at the time of being dropped.

Nope. As I mentioned earlier, ODI performance = scoring runs at good s/r + fielding + running between wickets.

[justforkix]

Yeah we all know how well he played in WC 2007 against BD and SL easily inarguably the most humiliating moment in Indian One day history and there is no way he should have continued after that. 

happens all the time in cricket. You win some, you lose some. Lost 2 matches in WC2007. Beat the world champions in a best of 3 finals 2-0 in their own backyard

This team won without him 5-0 against England and that is besides the point I am trying to make since it is a given this team will win with or without Tendulkar.  IMO the exit point for all these guys was WC 2007 after the humiliation they brought to themselves and their fans.

No, we don't need Sachin to beat the #7 team in the world. But we will still need him to consistently beat the top sides in the world like Aus and SA.

As a matter of fact it never happened.  All the 13 or so finals debacles are very well documented in which Tendulkar was a part of since 2001 or so.  WC 2007 should have been the nail in the coffin.

Not really. Because Sachin was instrumental in reaching quite a few of those 13 finals.

[ramshorns]

Yeah we all know how well he played in WC 2007 against BD and SL easily inarguably the most humiliating moment in Indian One day history and there is no way he should have continued after that. 

happens all the time in cricket. You win some, you lose some. Lost 2 matches in WC2007. Beat the world champions in a best of 3 finals 2-0 in their own backyard

This team won without him 5-0 against England and that is besides the point I am trying to make since it is a given this team will win with or without Tendulkar.  IMO the exit point for all these guys was WC 2007 after the humiliation they brought to themselves and their fans.

No, we don't need Sachin to beat the #7 team in the world. But we will still need him to consistently beat the top sides in the world like Aus and SA.

As a matter of fact it never happened.  All the 13 or so finals debacles are very well documented in which Tendulkar was a part of since 2001 or so.  WC 2007 should have been the nail in the coffin.

Not really. Because Sachin was instrumental in reaching quite a few of those 13 finals.

If the goal is to reach final and lose 13 of them then we have a different perspective on things.  Anyways what a shame it was to lose that match to BD in  WC 2007 inagruably the worst moment in Indian cricket history and that pretty much should have been it.  A Kohli should be tried in SRT's place in all these insignificant ODI's.  But as most know statistical obsession and eye on records is what matters to Tendulkar more than anything else.  His sulking in WC wanting to open ahead of teams goals is a ready proof of that.

[12th_Man]

For all the waits and night outs, This is what yo get: Rain.
Gov, you were right TT's are worth waiting for than ODI's

[gouravk]

you are not seriously telling me you sacrifise the great concept of sleep for a meaningless bullfight of an odi like this are you ?