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[keep-it-cool]

Why is every writer crucifying Monty for the defeat. The task of taking 10 wickets is with all the
Andy,Harami,Swann,Colly,Flintoff,Monty ..
There are so many players who could potentially ball. Agreed the ball  was turning a bit and spinners had advantage. But for India in 2nd inngs. ZK and IS took 3 a piece.

Obviously a lead spinner who is so ineffective on that pitch in a fourth innings with a mountain of runs to defend should take a large part of the blame.

[broadbat]

Talking of spinners their Indian counterparts did not exactly cover themselves with glory. The best on display seemed to be Swann.

[keep-it-cool]

However, all said and done, crediting MSD for getting self belief into the team based on this win is too premature. Without belittling anyone else's efforts, take Veeru's innings out of the game and we would have been playing for a draw. And it is not as if MSD had any role in the way Veeru played.

I disagree.. while MSD did not have a direct role in the way Veeru played.. but I do believe that he indirectly helped the team (i.e. people like YS, GG, SRT and to some extent VS) play positive cricket. While VS setup the game, the finish was provided by GG, SRT and YS.

Huh!! GG has been playing like this irrespective of captain since the way he came back into the team.

SRT has been playing like this right from the Aussie tour

YS plays like this whenever he scores (against Pak last year when he came in at a worse time) - the only difference was his refusal to get involved in any verbal stuff with the English bowlers - which was clearly SRT's influence - else he wouldnt have done so in the first innings

Veeru has always played like this irrespective of target and captain. Moreover, even he has said that he played like this only because the English bowlers bowled very poorly.

I dont see MSD having changed any outlook as far as this chase is concerned. The batsmen delivered - simple.

I think a positive locker room atmosphere does wonders to a team's approach. It was clear from the get go, that India was not going to go "saftey first"... which has been our attitude in the past...and that rubbed the team in the right way.

That was our strategy even in the Nagpur test which Dhoni captained - safety first and let the Aussies make the play.

There have been times when we could have chased such totals if we went with a positive mindset but we did not. 

For ex., in St Kitts, even when Viroo had set a nice platform, we immediately went for "safety first" - yes, the target was stiffer -  but we didnt have to put the shutters down. That was clearly a defensive RD's mindset driving the team approach.

You must be joking .. if you compare the equations in St Kitts and here, you'll see how wrong you are.

The points are a) even with Veeru's innings we have played for a draw in the past, and b) in the absence of a veeru-like performance we have never encouraged positive play for fear of losing...don't tell me we Indians could not have had any positive players beside Veeru (of course, he is in a different class), it is just that we have never allowed that in the past.

Give me one instance where Veeru has played such a knock in a chase and we have not capitalised. He has generally failed - as his poor 2nd innings average suggests.

Even MSD said that without Veeru's innings, we would have been defending this match.

I think you are really underestimating the value of a positive outlook and approach. I give MSD (and the more I am reading about Kirsten, him too) a lot of credit for creating the right atmosphere and outlook in the locker room...and it is showing results.

Does this mean they will keep winning with positive outlook alone .. of course, not.. but I am fairly sure they will more this way, if they continue this approach.

I am not underestimating anything. You are overestimating & over simplifying.

[justforkix]

Talking of spinners their Indian counterparts did not exactly cover themselves with glory. The best on display seemed to be Swann.

The British Sardar showed the Indian Sardar who is the REAL DADDY 

[keep-it-cool]

Talking of spinners their Indian counterparts did not exactly cover themselves with glory. The best on display seemed to be Swann.

The British Sardar showed the Indian Sardar who is the REAL DADDY 

Yes, his Uselessness got Pwned this time by Monty in the uselessness stakes!!

[justforkix]

YS plays like this whenever he scores (against Pak last year when he came in at a worse time) - the only difference was his refusal to get involved in any verbal stuff with the English bowlers - which was clearly SRT's influence - else he wouldnt have done so in the first innings

Additionally, Yuvi succumbed to the verbal stuff with MSD at the other end in 1st innings, did not succumb to it with SRT at the other end in 2nd innings

[broadbat]

HS should realize that taking the lead spinners role vacated by Kumble does not mean that he should try and bowl like him, medium pace. If he has not learned how to flight by now he never will.
Mishra too did not do what I thought he could. Had it not been for IS and ZK we would never have got a sniff at a win.
Amazing track though at Chennai this time around.

[keep-it-cool]

Amazing track though at Chennai this time around.

that was because the groundsman did not get enough time ..else we may have had one like the Ind-SA one

[keep-it-cool]

On a slightly different note, the participation during match time seems to have dropped off at least during this test match (me being one of the missing parties as well) ... a pak cricket forum had 700+ posts on this match  ...that too closed immediately after the victory ...followed by another thread dissecting the match!!!

[dextrous]

On a slightly different note, the participation during match time seems to have dropped off at least during this test match (me being one of the missing parties as well) ... a pak cricket forum had 700+ posts on this match  ...that too closed immediately after the victory ...followed by another thread dissecting the match!!!

pakistan does not have its own tests...feeding off us!

but i agree...aus-india matches sent bandwiths cracking...

[keep-it-cool]

On a slightly different note, the participation during match time seems to have dropped off at least during this test match (me being one of the missing parties as well) ... a pak cricket forum had 700+ posts on this match  ...that too closed immediately after the victory ...followed by another thread dissecting the match!!!

pakistan does not have its own tests...feeding off us!

but i agree...aus-india matches sent bandwiths cracking...

also some of the regulars on match threads were not around this time - JFK (at the stadium), WV, WN, me ..who else did we miss?

[dextrous]

On a slightly different note, the participation during match time seems to have dropped off at least during this test match (me being one of the missing parties as well) ... a pak cricket forum had 700+ posts on this match  ...that too closed immediately after the victory ...followed by another thread dissecting the match!!!

pakistan does not have its own tests...feeding off us!

but i agree...aus-india matches sent bandwiths cracking...

also some of the regulars on match threads were not around this time - JFK (at the stadium), WV, WN, me ..who else did we miss?

pips, blwe...the gangulian represent

[keep-it-cool]

Actually it is a bit strange ..we have never seen so much participation in any fantasy league ...but the actual matches suddenly seem to not have as much following ...probably the entire disruption mid-tour took some people off and I am sure some have dropped off after SG's retirment

[Cover Point]

Actually it is a bit strange ..we have never seen so much participation in any fantasy league ...but the actual matches suddenly seem to not have as much following ...probably the entire disruption mid-tour took some people off and I am sure some have dropped off after SG's retirment

and some, unfortunately, have work to do.

[LosingNow]

In my case.. combination of workload both home and work, inability to devote time & effort to serious discussion and to some extent a lack of real cricketing action

[LosingNow]

looks like prfsr's sabattical has ended

[inoc]

On a slightly different note, the participation during match time seems to have dropped off at least during this test match (me being one of the missing parties as well) ... a pak cricket forum had 700+ posts on this match  ...that too closed immediately after the victory ...followed by another thread dissecting the match!!!

this is a direct result of our own bickering, squabbling members.

we as indians cannot possibly have a united view. we have our regionalistic, player confined views, which is paramount and it results in closed door views of a cricketing scenario.

I may not be be referring to the same site you visited but it is apparent that we as a cricket site lack the bare modicum of tolerance in our views and this is possibly going to be the greatest detriment to us being a popular cricket discussion site.

I had broached this point many months ago - to be brushed aside by comments like - it is inevitable.

it isnt.

[pipsqueak]

Actually it is a bit strange ..we have never seen so much participation in any fantasy league ...but the actual matches suddenly seem to not have as much following ...probably the entire disruption mid-tour took some people off and I am sure some have dropped off after SG's retirment

i have found a new home.

i still read this forum diligently.

[Blwe_torch]

Actually it is a bit strange ..we have never seen so much participation in any fantasy league ...but the actual matches suddenly seem to not have as much following ...probably the entire disruption mid-tour took some people off and I am sure some have dropped off after SG's retirment

i have found a new home.

i still read this forum diligently.

real-life home or virtual?......just curious

[pipsqueak]

Actually it is a bit strange ..we have never seen so much participation in any fantasy league ...but the actual matches suddenly seem to not have as much following ...probably the entire disruption mid-tour took some people off and I am sure some have dropped off after SG's retirment

i have found a new home.

i still read this forum diligently.

real-life home or virtual?......just curious

a new on-line home to taunt, correct typos/grammar, banter, exchange recipes, etc. 

so far, no one has banned me or slammed me.

ps: it isn't a cricket site and so i ain't gonna "steal" anyone from here.

[Blwe_torch]

Actually it is a bit strange ..we have never seen so much participation in any fantasy league ...but the actual matches suddenly seem to not have as much following ...probably the entire disruption mid-tour took some people off and I am sure some have dropped off after SG's retirment

i have found a new home.

i still read this forum diligently.

real-life home or virtual?......just curious

a new on-line home to taunt, correct typos/grammar, banter, exchange recipes, etc. 

so far, no one has banned me or slammed me.

ps: it isn't a cricket site and so i ain't gonna "steal" anyone from here.

This is a real shocker.........don't we have enough 'cartoons' here......famously represented by me, to begin with?

[Libran]

Actually it is a bit strange ..we have never seen so much participation in any fantasy league ...but the actual matches suddenly seem to not have as much following ...probably the entire disruption mid-tour took some people off and I am sure some have dropped off after SG's retirment

i have found a new home.

i still read this forum diligently.

real-life home or virtual?......just curious

a new on-line home to taunt, correct typos/grammar, banter, exchange recipes, etc. 

so far, no one has banned me or slammed me.

ps: it isn't a cricket site and so i ain't gonna "steal" anyone from here.

jeez.. why do you keep copying me...

I moved to a completely new DG... totally alien to my knowledge ...but way too interesting...
but...do an ocassional post here ...

I'll be following the Bengal-Goa match in right earnest

[keep-it-cool]

Dhoni just can't lose.

I think a lot has to do with his positive attitude and outlook .. which can infect the team.. the locker room.

I am so glad the days of defensive cricket under RD are long gone. MSD's wins prove that if you play positive cricket, more often than not you will get positive results.

[dhruvdeepak]

Dhoni just can't lose.

I think a lot has to do with his positive attitude and outlook .. which can infect the team.. the locker room.

I am so glad the days of defensive cricket under RD are long gone. MSD's wins prove that if you play positive cricket, more often than not you will get positive results.

   

[justforkix]

MSD just proved he is the BIGGEST WUSSY OF 'EM ALL

Mahendra Singh Wussy