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The Greatest Inferiority Complex On Earth?
« on: November 29, 2008, 08:07:03 AM »
My latest opinion piece on Islamic terrorism

http://attemptations.blogspot.com/

(Not with the intention of driving traffic. Because I hardly ever post in it more than once a year! Reprinting it here on the advice of winningnow and blwe_torch.)

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The Greatest Inferiority Complex On Earth?


The imperative for political correctness often serves as an excuse for refusing to take the bull by its horns. It's often believed that addressing the manifestation is an adequate response and we don't really have to bother about addressing the cause. To our own detriment. Let's just try to treat the patients who are showing signs of rabies, and keep them in isolation. There is no danger to public health to let the latent carriers be at large. They can freely intermingle, be welcome, be given no instruction to sanitize up, be given a carte blanche for living eternally in denial - of being carriers, be at liberty to keep infecting others with their virus knowingly or unknowingly, till their own immune system collapses and they become fully blown instances of rabies themselves. And then we can go back to our business-as-usual response of treating them as isolani, quarantining them, while assuring ourselves and everybody else that it was just one-off, and there is nothing wrong with anybody else, and nothing to require a mass-level fumigation programme to disinfect.

And that's what Islam and Muslim society today is all about.

A religion that has practically become synonymous with mindless terrorism. Of attacking with arms those who are unarmed, and proclaiming the glory of their religion and their Prophet in butchering the helpless. Bravehearts those -- Peace Be Upon Them, and their inspirers. They never dare to face anyone in an equal battle. Why would they? Have they not been the universally downtrodden, the universally victimized? No matter which corner of the world they live in, no matter what privileges and luxuries they have enjoyed without having to earn them, they are the perennially victimized souls. Shouldn't they have the right to avenge themselves, the poor souls, a right solemnized by the teachings in their scriptures which are nothing but the Word Of God, and which gives them the right to kill and maim the infidels, in return for a cozy afterlife in heaven?

Muslim society is what they come from. But whose members do nothing more than a post-facto disowning of the individual few, and huddle up together to claim that there is nothing wrong with the rest of us. Agreed, it could not but be a distortion of colossal magnitude for anybody to turn religious edicts into a license to kill. Agreed, it's not what Islam preaches, or any religion in the world preaches, for that matter. Agreed, it horrifies and pains all civil-minded Muslims too, to see the name of their religion being so tarnished. But what solution do they offer? They disown those who have got caught red-handed, after the fact. And say that they have nothing to do with us, or our religion. Mind you, disown only those who have got caught red-handed and beyond any chance of doubt. Every single other carrier amidst them is blamelessly, spotlessly innocent.

Have you ever heard anybody being detected as a terrorist-to-be by the Muslims before they have actually had the chance of committing their depravity? They are never depraved till they are caught in the act. They are all angels. And we'll never believe anything could ever be wrong with the way we approach our religion, with the way we practise our religion, with the way we teach our children what the fundamental tenets of our religion are. Those are unimpeachably correct. Only when one of our brethren exposes the stink of it to the rest of the world, exposes it undeniably, in broad daylight, will we just wash our hands of them, and be done with. Excommunication is expiation. Nothing more needed. Everything before and after is faultless.

Yes, we'll grieve when we find one of our own sons indulging in such heinous act. We'll be shocked, and unable to believe it. We would never have thought that one of our dearest could have gone so outrageously wayward. And bringing horror and shame to all the rest of us. But we'll just treat it as an aberration. Occurring just out of the blue. Without anything being there to lead its way. Let's just get on with our lives. Let's just keep our eyes closed, like cats, and assume that no problem would be able to stare at us.

Is violence a Muslim invention? By no chance. It has been on earth since ages before Islam came into being. Is violence against innocents a Muslim invention? By no chance. The Nazis were not Muslims. Is violence for a cause a Muslim invention? No. From the Indian Revolutionaries, to the Irish Republican Army, to LTTE, political violence, sometimes of the most reprehensible kind, is a frequent enough occurrence that can easily refute any association of violence with Islam as such. But one must note -- none of the other examples are of violence for a global agenda. The Irish Army doesn't go and kill people in Russia for their cause. The LTTE does not go and kill in Australia for their cause. Those are all localized, and with specific objectives in mind. That is where the latest genre of violence perpetrated by Islamists stands apart.

Islamic terrorism is not for defence. It's an offensive posture. With an offensive goal in mind. Of establishing the rule of Islam, however flawed their brand be, on all terra firma. Is that an objective espoused only by the terrorists among the Muslims? You'll be surprised by the answer. Absolutely not. Talk to any Muslim on this topic, and engage them for an hour or two. And you'll see that they are all unequivocally behind this. It does not matter whether you are talking to an illiterate Muslim, or a highly educated one -- you'll find that they are unanimous on this question. That Islam is infallible, and therefore has to rule on the earth. Openly or surreptitiously, they are all behind that.

Would they ever accept that there are any flaws in Islam? The only flaws they'll admit to are flaws of interpretation. The written verses are correct. Somebody just misunderstood them. I have been surprised to see that even folks who come to the best of universities, come to learn science and technology, and who are quite liberal and tolerant in general, are absolutely determined that if anything is found to be insulting to the Prophet or his purported sayings, it deserves to be annihilated. There are no two opinions on it.

Check with the followers of any other religion -- Hinduism, Christianity, Buddhism, anything. You'll find some or more folks among them who'll be willing to accept the shortcomings, and admit to rooms for improvement. They can absorb criticism and sarcasm. But among Muslims, you'll see that it's an absolute impossibility. No matter how genial the Muslim is in general, when it comes to anything against the Prophet or his words, the verdict is unanimous -- "Kaat ke fenk denge" ("we'll cut you to pieces and throw away"). And that thinking has universal support, whether overt or covert. You only have to persist a bit to unearth it.

Look at the progression and evolution of religious following the world over. Christianity was among the first to establish a separation among the Church and the State. I don't mean this was a separation brought about by the Church, but it certainly was effected by followers of Christianity. And that led to the growth of the scientific spirit and paved the way for innumerable discoveries and inventions which forged the technological world we live in today. You could find a Galileo defying the version of the Church as to cosmology, and a Darwin defying the version of the Church as to the birth of species. Hinduism too, after an initial period of brilliance and openness, had got itself tied to a prolonged period of dogma in the middle ages. That is when they fell to conquerors from the Persian region, and later Europeans. The Persians at that time, were less dogmatic than the Hindus, and their Islam had still the vibrancy of youth. The Islam of the times of Mahmud Ghazni was still producing the likes of Omar Khayyam and Al-Beruni. When they came to conquer India they could veritably claim to be the superior race, beset as Hinduism at that time was with dogma.

In Al-Beruni's words (describing India of the middle ages):

"The Hindus believe that there is no country but theirs, no nation like theirs, no kings like theirs, no religion like theirs, no science like theirs. They are haughty, foolishly vain, self-conceited, and stolid. They are by nature niggardly in communicating that which they know, and they take the greatest possible care to withhold it from men of another caste among their own people, still much more, of course, from any foreigner ... Their haughtiness is such that, if you tell them of any science or scholar in Khorasan and Persis, they will think you to be both an ignoramus and a liar. If they traveled and mixed with other nations, they would soon change their mind, for their ancestors were not as narrow-minded as the present generation is."

But then, Hinduism extricated itself from that morass through the efforts of numerous reformers, who challenged dogma, vanquished degenerate rituals and social practices, and led to a modern and progressive, forward-looking version of the religion. Of course, there are still many deficiencies to be plugged, many aberrations to be nipped. But on the whole stability has been established and there is no danger of tipping over. There are challenges from pockets of fundamentalists, which keep rearing their ugly heads. But Hindu society as a whole is capable of dealing with those in a resolute way. It's modernized and roundly in agreement with the value systems of the modern, democratic, secular, scientific world order.

But one could only wish if the same could be said of Muslim society today. And, yes, Muslim society as it cuts across national boundaries. Of course, cultural and ideological differences do exist even among Muslim societies separated by geographical boundaries. An Iranian coming from a more prosperous and culturally thriving society is less given to destructive thought, than a Pakistani or a Sudanese, who have less to show. But the phenomenon of dogma is universal among Muslim society.

A child born into a Muslim family is not brought up with the notion that "Look son, you are to be guided by reason in all matters. Not dogma. And there are NO exceptions to that." He is brought up with the idea that "Trust the Prophet no matter what. Subjugate reason to that, if need be, because the Prophet is infallible, and you aren't. Lay down your life if need be for the Prophet, because that's a noble cause." And along the way the child forgets that there is no way he could know what the Prophet said. What he hears of the Prophet is only through what other people tell he said, or write he said. But the child has never got his instincts developed for discriminating. He got his instincts developed for blind belief. And from "laying down your life for the Prophet" to terrorism, is only the journey of one block. You can always find one verse from the Quran which you can read as giving you the license to kill, so long as you can invent a cause. And you can be smug. Because you've mortgaged your own capacity to discriminate. And that's because your parents always inculcated that in you, telling you it was a virtue. Except that it was NO virtue. In fact, it's the fundamental vice, the root of all evil.

If you could see the point of Al-Beruni's -- "If they traveled and mixed with other nations, they would soon change their mind, for their ancestors were not as narrow-minded as the present generation is." -- you could easily understand why the Muslim world is stuck in such a rut for the whole of the last century and going only from bad to worse. They just can't see the need for a comprehensive reform in their value systems and their thought processes. They don't wear the same cloth that they did in the ninth century, they don't use the same camels for transportation today as they did in the ninth century, they don't gather their food and rear cattle in the same way as they used to do in the ninth century. But they want to keep their religion the same as it was in the ninth century. To say nothing of the fact that in the ninth century the followers were far more intelligent than you are today. They were breaking ground with novelty in their religious thought -- Islam was a new concept and they had the head to understand and adopt it, discarding the common beliefs of that time. Today you are trying to cook your meal with the same harvest that you made twelve centuries ago. Your food will not smell fresh.

And the Muslim today is incapable of realizing that the Muslim world lately has had no achievements to offer to the world. None of the inventions -- from television to automobiles, from aircraft to spacecraft, from penicillin to immunization, from wireless telegraphy to the internet, from the discovery of electromagnetism to quantum physics -- have had their origins in the Muslim world. No they haven't. They have all come from people who have learnt how to keep the secular and the religious aspects of their life separate, and not make their religion the center of their existence. The only thing you've achieved in doing, and to which you owe all your riches, is dig some oil. And that's your only export to the world (apart from terrorism). And what is oil? -- nothing but remains of the dead. And your conceit is such, that with this full a bag, you want to establish your own order all over the world.

The Muslim wants secularism wherever he goes, but does he have any secularism in his own backyard -- the cherished land of the Arabs? Can secularism be considered a Muslim value-system at all? It's only something that they expect from others, but not something they offer others. The hypocrisy is mind-boggling. You want to turn the whole world Muslim? For what? So that they could turn into the same ghettos that your Arab brothers have produced in the name of a state? Are you even aware of how derelict and repugnant they are to the rest of the world? You don't even have the mind to realize that religion exists in the personal domain. There is no religion that a state can believe in. And you have established grand Islamic states. Apart from Turkey, which is secular thanks to its military vehemently defending those principles, and which owes that to its proximity to Europe, there is no other state that Muslims have formed which is secular in nature. And in your brilliant Muslim eyes, Turkey happens to be a reprobate, not a model.

It's not that there aren't legitimate grievances in the Muslim world. Of course, if six hundred thousand Iraqis are killed for flimsy reasons, obviously a lot of anger is going to fester, and at some point it'll cost others. If riots kill thousands, and the system of justice is not perceived to be fair, a lot of grudge is waiting to explode. If the minority instead of being protected by the majority is threatened by its doings, obviously they'll respond with revenge by stealth. There is no alternative to having a world order that is respectful and reverent to others, if violence is to be kept off. You cannot walk over others when they are weak, and expect them not to ever retaliate.

But the Muslim world has to introspect and ask itself why it is at the bottom of the pyramid today? Why is the rest of the world so far ahead that you are always getting trampled upon, whether that be a correct perception or otherwise, a fact that you always claim to be avenging? Sure, you didn't have any WMDs in Iraq, and you were attacked for an invalid reason. But can you tell why you don't have an acceptable system of government that keeps pace and integrates with the rest of the world in a responsible way? Why do you have military dictatorships for a regime for decades on end, which crushes your own society and acts violently against other states? Why is there an absence of a civil system of governance, gross gender inequality, and why do you have barbarism in the name of laws? Why you create a Taliban for your ruling class, folks who can't even cross high-school, but rule at gunpoint? Why you can't learn from your Jewish neighbors, who so clearly have so much greater ability than you have, and emulate them? Your only response is to envy them, and wish their destruction. Why is it that your problems are always a creation of others, and you have no role in it yourself? You've surely had as much time and resources as the rest of the world. Why is it that you are so retrograde, with nothing that the rest of the world finds emulatable? Why can't you see the need for reform to pull yourself out of your pit, a need which is painfully obvious to others?

Before you think of ruling the world, try to grow up to the rest of the world first. And have something to offer. Without that your assertions of superiority and desperate attempts to establish it -- attempts that you are using only to deceive yourself and nobody else -- will smack of nothing but a deep seated inferiority complex in you. As is well known, a person suffering from an inferiority complex does not regard himself as inferior. He instead uses aggression to establish his superiority. The Islamic terrorist today blasts bombs and sprays bullets to establish the "superiority" of his religion. Without realizing that a bus falling off a bridge kills more than your best coordinated attempt at terrorism, and an earthquake kills a thousand times more, without cowing any civilization down. You issue a fatwa to kill if someone writes a book that you consider offensive, or if somebody draws a cartoon of your Prophet. When have we seen you issue a fatwa against someone who starts a terrorist organization and naming it after your Prophet as Jaish-e-Muhammad? Sure you issue voluble denouncements, but where is the action? If you can't realize your shortcomings and modernize your religion you'll only succeed in bringing further disrepute to the great religion founded by the Prophet, and no glory. And your inferiority complex will only bring about your own downfall, and nobody else's.

The grave danger that your own religion is in today, for want of modernization, is proving to be a grave danger to the rest of the world too. But overwhelmingly you choose to live in denial of the fact. You've almost turned denial into your very reason for existence. It's not that there aren't sane elements among the Muslim world today. But their voice is too weak, and they are too cowardly. They allow themselves to be repressed by the militant sections and have clearly been taken hostage by them.

But it was the voice of just one such sane element, an Egyptian cleric whom Thomas Friedman quotes in his book, that said: "They want to bring down towers. Because they know that they can't build them."
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Re: The Greatest Inferiority Complex On Earth?
« Reply #1 on: November 29, 2008, 09:12:48 AM »
Brilliant article! :icon_thumleft:
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« Reply #2 on: November 29, 2008, 06:06:22 PM »
An interesting read touching on much of the same insightful points made by Proloy above:

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Behind the Mumbai Massacre: India's Muslims in Crisis

By ARYN BAKER Aryn Baker – Thu Nov 27, 11:35 am ET

The disembodied voice was chilling in its rage. A gunman, holed up in Mumbai's Oberoi Trident hotel where some 40 people had been taken hostage, told an Indian news channel that the attacks were revenge for the persecution of Muslims in India. "We love this as our country but when our mothers and sisters were being killed, where was everybody?" he asked via telephone. No answer came. But then he probably wasn't expecting one.

The roots of Muslim rage run deep in India, nourished by a long-held sense of injustice over what many Indian Muslims believe is institutionalized discrimination against the country's largest minority group. The disparities between Muslims, which make up 13.4% of the population, and India's Hindu population, which hovers around 80%, are striking. There are exceptions, of course, but generally speaking Muslim Indians have shorter life spans, worse health, lower literacy levels, and lower-paying jobs. Add to that toxic brew the lingering resentment over 2002's anti-Muslim riots in the state of Gujarat. The riots, instigated by Hindu nationalists, killed some 2000 people, most of them Muslim. To this day, few of the perpetrators have been convicted. See pictures of the terrorist shootings in Mumbai.

The huge gap between Muslims and Hindus will continue to haunt India's, and neighboring Pakistan's, progress towards peace and prosperity. But before inter-communal relations can improve there is an even bigger problem that must first be worked out: the schism in subcontinental Islam, and the religion's place and role in modern India and Pakistan. It is a crisis 150 years in the making.

The Beginning of the Problem
On the afternoon of March 29, 1857, Mangal Pandey, a handsome, mustachioed soldier in the East India Company's native regiment, attacked his British lieutenant. His hanging a week later sparked a subcontinental revolt known to Indians as the first war of independence and to the British as the Sepoy Mutiny. Retribution was swift, and though Pandey was a Hindu, it was the subcontinent's Muslims, whose Mughal King nominally held power in Delhi, who bore the brunt of British rage. The remnants of the Mughal Empire were dismantled, and five hundred years of Muslim supremacy on the subcontinent was brought to a halt.

Muslim society in India collapsed. The British imposed English as the official language. The impact was cataclysmic. Muslims went from near 100% literacy to 20% within a half-century. The country's educated Muslim Élite was effectively blocked from administrative jobs in the government. Between 1858 and 1878, only 57 out of 3,100 graduates of Calcutta University - then the center of South Asian education - were Muslim. While discrimination by both Hindus and the British played a role, it was as if the whole of Muslim society had retreated to lick its collective wounds.

From this period of introspection two rival movements emerged to foster an Islamic ascendancy. Revivalist groups blamed the collapse of their empire on a society that had strayed too far from the teachings of the Koran. They promoted a return to a more pure form of Islam, modeled on the life of the Prophet Muhammad. Others embraced the modern ways of their new rulers, seeking Muslim advancement through the pursuit of Western sciences, culture and law. From these movements two great Islamic institutions were born: Darul Uloom Deoband in northern India, rivaled only by al-Azhar University in Cairo for its teaching of Islam, and Aligarh Muslim University, a secular institution that promoted Muslim culture, philosophy and languages, but left religion to the mosque. These two schools embody the fundamental split that continues to divide Islam in the subcontinent today. "You could say that Deoband and Aligarh are husband and wife, born from the same historical events," says Adil Siddiqui, information coordinator for Deoband. "But they live at daggers drawn."

The campus at Deoband is only a three-hour drive from New Delhi through the modern megasuburb of Noida. Strip malls and monster shopping complexes have consumed many of the mango groves that once framed the road to Deoband, but the contemporary world stops at the gate. The courtyards are packed with bearded young men wearing long, collared shirts and white caps. The air thrums with the voices of hundreds of students reciting the Koran from open-door classrooms.

Founded in 1866, the Deoband School quickly set itself apart from other traditional madrasahs, which were usually based in the home of the village mosque's prayer leader. Deoband's founders, a group of Muslim scholars from New Delhi, instituted a regimented system of classrooms, coursework, texts and exams. Instruction is in Urdu, Persian and Arabic, and the curriculum closely follows the teachings of the 18th century Indian Islamic scholar Mullah Nizamuddin Sehalvi. Graduates go on to study at Cairo's al-Azhar and Islamic University of Medina in Saudi Arabia, or found their own Deobandi institutions.

Today, more than 9,000 Deobandi madrasahs are scattered throughout India, Afghanistan and Pakistan, most infamously the Dara-ul-Uloom Haqaniya Akora Khattak, near Peshawar, where Mullah Mohammed Omar, and several other leaders of Afghanistan's Taliban first tasted a life lived in accordance with Shari'a. Siddiqui visibly stiffens when those names are brought up. They have become synonymous with Islamic radicalism, and Siddiqui is careful to disassociate his institution from those that carry on its traditions, without actually condemning their actions. "Our books are being taught there," he says. "They have the same system and rules. But if someone is following the path of terrorism, it is because of local compulsions and local politics."

Sir Syed Ahmad Khan, founder of the Anglo-Mohammedan Oriental College at Aligarh in 1877, studied under the same teachers as the founders of Deoband. But he believed that the downfall of India's Muslims was due to their unwillingness to embrace modern ways. He decoupled religion from education, and in his school sought to emulate the culture and training of India's new colonial masters. Islamic culture was part of the curriculum, but so were the latest advances in sciences, medicine and Western philosophy. The medium was English, the better to prepare students for civil-service jobs. He called his school the Oxford of the East. In architecture alone, the campus lives up to that name. A euphoric blend of clock towers, crenellated battlements, Mughal arches, domes and the staid red brick of Victorian institutions that only India's enthusiastic embrace of all things European could produce, the central campus of Aligarh today is haven to a diverse crowd of male, female, Hindu and Muslim students. Its law and medicine schools are among the top-ranked in India, but so are its arts faculty and Quranic Studies Centre. "With all this diversity, language, culture, secularism was the only way to go forward as a nation," says Aligarh's vice-chancellor, P.K. Abdul Azis. "It was the new religion."

This fracture in religious doctrine - whether Islam should embrace the modern or revert to its fundamental origins - between two schools less than a day's donkey ride apart when they were founded, was barely remarked upon at the time. But over the course of the next 100 years, that tiny crack would split Islam into two warring ideologies with repercussions that reverberate around the world to this day. Before the split manifested into crisis, however, the founders of both the Deoband and Aligarh universities shared the common goal of an independent India. Pedagogical leanings were overlooked as students and staff of both institutions joined with Hindus across the subcontinent to remove the yoke of colonial rule in the early decades of the 20th century.

Two Faiths, Two Nations
But nationalistic trends were pulling at the fragile alliance, and India began to splinter along ethnic and religious lines. Following World War I, a populist Muslim poet-philosopher by the name of Muhammad Iqbal framed the Islamic zeitgeist when he questioned the position of minority Muslims in a future, independent India. The solution, Iqbal proposed, was an independent state for Muslim-majority provinces in northwestern India, a separate country where Muslims would rule themselves. The idea of Pakistan was born.

Mohammed Ali Jinnah, the Savile Row-suited lawyer who midwifed Pakistan into existence on Aug. 14, 1947, was notoriously ambiguous about how he envisioned the country once it became an independent state. Both he and Iqbal, who were friends until the poet's death in 1938, had repeatedly stated their dream for a "modern, moderate and very enlightened Pakistan," says Sharifuddin Pirzada, Jinnah's personal secretary. Jinnah's own wish was that the Pakistani people, as members of a new, modern and democratic nation, would decide the country's direction.

But rarely in Pakistan's history have its people lived Jinnah's vision for a modern Muslim democracy. Only three times in its 62-year history has Pakistan seen a peaceful, democratic transition of power. With four disparate provinces, over a dozen languages and dialects, and powerful neighbors, leaders - be they Presidents, Prime Ministers or army chiefs - have been forced to knit the nation together with the only thing Pakistanis have in common: religion.

Following the 1971 civil war, when East Pakistan, now Bangladesh, broke away, the populist Prime Minister Zulfikar Ali Bhutto embarked on a Muslim identity program to prevent the country from fracturing further. General Mohammed Zia ul-Haq continued the Islamization campaign when he overthrew Bhutto in 1977, hoping to garner favor with the religious parties, the only constituency available to a military dictator. He instituted Shari'a courts, made blasphemy illegal, and established laws that punished fornicators with lashes and held that rape victims could be convicted of adultery. When the Soviet Union invaded neighboring Afghanistan in December 1979, Pakistan was already poised for its own Islamic revolution.

Almost overnight, thousands of refugees poured over the border into Pakistan. Camps mushroomed, and so did madrasahs. Ostensibly created to educate the refugees, they provided the ideal recruiting ground for a new breed of soldier: mujahedin, or holy warriors, trained to vanquish the infidel invaders in America's proxy war with the Soviet Union. Thousands of Pakistanis joined fellow Muslims from across the world to fight the Soviets. As far away as Karachi, high-school kids started wearing "jihadi jackets," the pocketed vests popular with the mujahedin. Says Hamid Gul, then head of the Pakistan intelligence agency charged with arming and training the mujahedin: "In the 1980s, the world watched the people of Afghanistan stand up to tyranny, oppression and slavery. The spirit of jihad was rekindled, and it gave a new vision to the youth of Pakistan."

But jihad, as it is described in the Koran, does not end merely with political gain. It ends in a perfect Islamic state. The West's, and Pakistan's, cynical resurrection of something so profoundly powerful and complex unleashed a force whose roots can be found in al-Qaeda's rage, the Taliban's dream of an Islamic utopia in Afghanistan, and in the dozens of radical Islamic groups rapidly replicating themselves in India and around the world today. "The promise of jihad was never fulfilled," says Gul. "Is it any wonder the fighting continues to this day?" Religion may have been used to unite Pakistan, but it is also tearing it apart.

India Today
In India, Islam is, in contrast, the other - purged by the British, denigrated by the Hindu right, mistrusted by the majority, marginalized by society. India has nearly as many Muslims as all of Pakistan, but in a nation of more than a billion, they are still a minority, with all the burdens that minorities anywhere carry. Government surveys show that Muslims live shorter, poorer and unhealthier lives than Hindus and are often excluded from the better jobs. To be sure, there are Muslim success stories in the booming economy. Azim Premji, the founder of the outsourcing giant Wipro, is one of the richest individuals in India. But, for many Muslims, the inequality of the boom has reinforced their exclusion.
Kashmir, a Muslim-dominated state whose fate had been left undecided in the chaos that led up to partition, remains a suppurating wound in India's Muslim psyche. As the cause of three wars between India and Pakistan - one of which nearly went nuclear in 1999 - Kashmir has become a symbol of profound injustice to Indian Muslims who believe that their government cares little for Kashmir's claim of independence, which is based upon a 1948 U.N. resolution promising a plebiscite to determine the Kashmiri people's future. That frustration has spilled into the rest of India in the form of several devastating terrorist attacks that have made Indian Muslims both perpetrators and victims.

A mounting sense of persecution, fueled by the government's seeming reluctance to address the brutal anti-Muslim riots that killed more than 2,000 in the state of Gujarat in 2002, has aided the cause of homegrown militant groups. They include the banned Student Islamic Movement of India (SIMI), which was accused of detonating nine bombs in Bombay during the course of 2003, killing close to 80. The 2006 terrorist attacks on the Bombay commuter rail system that killed 183 people were also blamed on SIMI, as well as the pro-Kashmir Pakistani terrorist group Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT). Those incidents exposed the all-too-common Hindu belief that Muslims aren't really Indian. "LeT, SIMI, it doesn't matter who was behind these attacks. They are all children of [Pervez] Musharraf," sneered Manish Shah, a Mumbai resident who lost his best friend in the explosions, referring to the then president of Pakistan. In India, unlike Pakistan, Islam does not unify, but divide.

Still, many South Asian Muslims insist Islam is the one and only force that can bring the subcontinent together and return it to preeminence as a single whole. "We [Muslims] were the legal rulers of India, and in 1857 the British took that away from us," says Tarik Jan, a gentle-mannered scholar at Islamabad's Institute of Policy Studies. "In 1947 they should have given that back to the Muslims." Jan is no militant, but he pines for the golden era of the Mughal period in the 1700s, and has a fervent desire to see India, Pakistan and Bangladesh reunited under Islamic rule.

That sense of injustice is at the root of Muslim identity today. It has permeated every aspect of society, and forms the basis of rising Islamic radicalism on the subcontinent. "People are hungry for justice," says Ahmed Rashid, Pakistani journalist and author of the new book Descent Into Chaos. "It is perceived to be the fundamental promise of the Koran." These twin phenomena - the longing many Muslims have to see their religion restored as the subcontinent's core, and the marks of both piety and extremism Islam bears - reflect the lack of strong political and civic institutions in the region for people to have faith in. If the subcontinent's governments can't provide those institutions, then terrorists such as the Trident's mysterious caller, will continue asking questions. And providing their own answers.

With reporting by Jyoti Thottam / Mumbai and Ershad Mahmud / Islamabad


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Re: The Greatest Inferiority Complex On Earth?
« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2008, 10:13:50 PM »
proloy this is a brilliant article. you need to ensure that it gets wider audience and it is read by the people who really have something to benefit from it.
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Re: The Greatest Inferiority Complex On Earth?
« Reply #4 on: November 30, 2008, 10:37:26 PM »
An interesting read touching on much of the same insightful points made by Proloy above:

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Behind the Mumbai Massacre: India's Muslims in Crisis

By ARYN BAKER Aryn Baker – Thu Nov 27, 11:35 am ET

The disembodied voice was chilling in its rage. A gunman, holed up in Mumbai's Oberoi Trident hotel where some 40 people had been taken hostage, told an Indian news channel that the attacks were revenge for the persecution of Muslims in India. "We love this as our country but when our mothers and sisters were being killed, where was everybody?" he asked via telephone. No answer came. But then he probably wasn't expecting one.

The roots of Muslim rage run deep in India, nourished by a long-held sense of injustice over what many Indian Muslims believe is institutionalized discrimination against the country's largest minority group. The disparities between Muslims, which make up 13.4% of the population, and India's Hindu population, which hovers around 80%, are striking. There are exceptions, of course, but generally speaking Muslim Indians have shorter life spans, worse health, lower literacy levels, and lower-paying jobs. Add to that toxic brew the lingering resentment over 2002's anti-Muslim riots in the state of Gujarat. The riots, instigated by Hindu nationalists, killed some 2000 people, most of them Muslim. To this day, few of the perpetrators have been convicted. See pictures of the terrorist shootings in Mumbai.

The huge gap between Muslims and Hindus will continue to haunt India's, and neighboring Pakistan's, progress towards peace and prosperity. But before inter-communal relations can improve there is an even bigger problem that must first be worked out: the schism in subcontinental Islam, and the religion's place and role in modern India and Pakistan. It is a crisis 150 years in the making.

And why is it that there's a striking gap between the two populations? Is it all because of instiutionalized discrimination? Some of it might be; I don't doubt that. How can we leave out the unbriddled population growth among one group when discussing economic prosperity? The need to succumb to Allah's will is so great that all else is forgotten. Leave aside a small % of Muslims willing to adapt to the changing world--most are still stuck in following the archaic ways when followers of other religions, Hinduism included, have realized that times have changed and religious practices must as well. The very basic demand of the religion--saying prayers five times a day--is terribly unsuited for the modern workforce.

The root of Muslim outrage might run deep but they're not helped by their fanatical leaders in India and elsewhere that shout segragationist slogans and talk of wiping off Hinduism.
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Re: The Greatest Inferiority Complex On Earth?
« Reply #5 on: December 01, 2008, 12:11:39 AM »
proloy this is a brilliant article. you need to ensure that it gets wider audience and it is read by the people who really have something to benefit from it.

Thank you very much!

Please circulate the link among people you know. That's the only way more people will get to read it. (I can hardly put up an advertisement on a billboard!)
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Re: The Greatest Inferiority Complex On Earth?
« Reply #6 on: December 01, 2008, 12:19:58 AM »
I third that proloy - very well written article.

A stark reminder of Samuel Huntington's Clash of Civilizations yet again.
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« Reply #7 on: December 01, 2008, 12:24:46 AM »
Proloy hats off to you. It is an amazing opinion piece backed with great knowledge/research on your part.
 At times many of us indulge in discussions based on perception/personal opinions. Hopefully we will see more of your participation in those as there is always something more to know and learn from people like you.
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Re: The Greatest Inferiority Complex On Earth?
« Reply #8 on: December 01, 2008, 01:10:45 AM »
Proloy hats off to you. It is an amazing opinion piece backed with great knowledge/research on your part.
 At times many of us indulge in discussions based on perception/personal opinions. Hopefully we will see more of your participation in those as there is always something more to know and learn from people like you.

One minute, one minute...

It's not a research-backed article. It's very much a personal opinion of mine, which, by definition, means that it does not have to be true.

It's entirely based on my perceptions that I have got while interacting with Muslims in a general sort of way, and seeing their reactions to events, and their general outlook. But my conclusions are not drawn in a scientific manner. They are expected to be as riddled with prejudice as is the case with anybody else's opinion. If there is any element of truth in it, it'll be for Muslim readers to decide.

But I do think that Muslim society is in crying need of reform -- the kind which Hindu society has already had a century ago through the actions of the likes of Rammohan Roy, Dayanand Saraswati etc.

Muslims today are anachronistic in their outlook to life. They are behind the times. And they refuse to see that. It's pointless to say there are moderates and there are fundamentalists. My contention is that overwhelmingly their general outlook is flawed. There are only a very small handful among Muslims who are actually living in a twenty-first century. Most are in the eighteenth, sixteenth, fourteenth and backwards.

In fact, I'm surprised to see that there are no reactions here, or on my blog, from Muslim readers, on what they think about it. I guess they are just turning a blind eye to it as a prejudiced commentary. And I do not believe I've tried to be prejudiced.
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Re: The Greatest Inferiority Complex On Earth?
« Reply #9 on: December 01, 2008, 05:17:15 AM »
Excellent article Proloy. But how many Islamic, Hindu religious maniacs out there to read, abosorb and analyze the contents....

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« Reply #10 on: December 01, 2008, 06:10:28 PM »
I am an agnostic and against all forms of organized religion. Proloy's point about Islam's missed encounter with modernity is somewhat correct in terms of how religious fanaticism has chocked the growth of civil society and secular concerns in some parts of the world where the faith dominates popular life. Let me however put some things in perspective.

All major religions have had two primary impulses: a scriptural tradition dominated by priestly mediations, and an interpretive one from which secular thought emerges. The fact that it was only in the early nineties that the Roman Catholic Church validated the Galilean universe (it is the earth that goes around the sun and not the other way round) tells one how modernity is about sidelining theological visions of cosmos and life. When the priests of Vatican ratified this, people chuckled and carried on with their lives. It did not amount to a significant break or a paradigm shift. People, in overwhelming numbers, knew that the Bible was not literally true. Having said that of course, we do not take matters for granted, given the evangelical zeal in the United States for creationism. The same privatization of faith, a separation between the soul of the believer and the knowledges of the public sphere has not taken place in the brand of religion LeT or Al Qaida or the Taliban follow. That is what makes them anachronistic and dangerous. This is what tells us that they have failed to modernize themselves.

Islam, or at least a certain kind of Islam (Wahabbism for instance), lost that historic opportunity to develop secular modes and institutions of interpretive thought covering areas like law, life, and politics. There is nothing essentially in the Koran that prevents this. As a book, it is as enlightening or as confining as many such holy tracts. The Bible is not very good for gender politics. When one reads the Gita, one cannot but cringe at the casteism it espouses. The faithful can transcend such troubling aspects by acts of interpretation: considering some things as allegories, dismissing other things as historically irrelevant or dubious. One needs a modern sensibility to be able to do that.

Historical Islam actually had opportunities for secularizing thought. It did not have a powerfully organized theological authority like the Roman Catholic Church to define all aspects of life, like birth, marriage, divorce, sex, science, knowledge, belief etc. and conduct inquisitions across countries to implement it doctrines. As a result, secular thought actually flourished for several centuries in the Islamic tradition, headed by intellectuals like Ibn Rushd, Alberuni, Ibn Tofail, Ibn Zuhr, al ghazali or Avicena. The massive contributions of this tradition encompassed mathematics, physics, geography, philosophy, and the arts. It is rather easy to forget today that when Saladin was attacking the Europeans in the battle for Jerusalem during the third crusade of the twelfth century, it was he who represented a superior civilization, and his enemies were barbarians in comparison.

Again, when it comes to interpreting the Koran, it could be pointed out to militant mullahs that Islam has no theory of Just War, like the one developed by Saint Augustin in the Christian tradition. The Arabic word for 'holy" (muqaddas) is never applied to war (Harb) in the classical texts. Dar-ul-Harb (domain of war) was thus categorically separate from Dar-ul-Islam (Domain of Peace). The domain that mediated between the two was Dar-ul-'ahd, the domain of treaties. All along, it was clearly understood until recent times that the notion of jihad could be adopted in a military sense only when people were prevented from practicing Islam openly. While we are at it, it is also good to remind ourselves that the Koran uses the notion of Qurban (sacrifice) only three times, all unfavorably. Similarly, the idea of Shahada (martyrdom) actually pertains to calamitous deaths in general (like in an accident) and not just war. Basically shahada is any death that reminds you of the finitudes of mortal existence.

Hence, the absence of an axiomatic moral authority like the Catholic church and the division of domains of peace, war, and treaties actually created historical grounds for a division between the church and the state, which in itself, in all cultures, is never dictated by religious authority, but emerges out of secular thought. It is good to remind ourselves that until very recently, Muslim rulers regularly fought against each other and made peace treaties with Christians.

But of course, when we talk of Islam of the present, especially in the middle east, we see that that has not happened. On the contrary, we have witnessed the rise of modern Islamicist ideas that would be very difficult to justify from the scriptures: the idea of Jihad as religious duty (fard al-'ayn), or the very concept of martyrdom as a technique of Jihad. There are, of course historical blames to be assigned for the sorry state of things: imperialism, neo-imperialism, the CIA that throttled democracy in Iran and funded Bin Laden in 1979, but blame and responsibility also must be accepted by Islamic societies. They can and must adhere to Islam, but they have to simply get rid of Islamicism.

For me, that is the crucial difference: Islamicism is a dangerous IDEOLOGY. It should be obliterated in a global battle of not just bombs, but ideas, values, and information. Islam on the other hand, is not an endemically pathological faith. In my view it is as good or as bad as any other organized religion. Let me end with a personal hypothesis (actually suggested and shared by my wife) as to why Islamic interpretive traditions have weakened or dried up under the assault of Islamicism: the extreme proscription against REPRESENTATION. It is only when divine wisdom and divine figures are dramatized, polemicized, poeticized and thrown into aesthetic contention that secular thought (which is after all, the byword for multiple points of view) can emerge. People can then personalize their gods and connect their words to the immediacy of their lives. It must be remembered that all semetic religions initially shared this stance against religion. However Michaelangelo was allowed by the Pope himself to paint the Holy Father on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel. It is from this secularizing impulse that the monumental texts of Dante and Milton came into being. It is thus time for someone to make a film on Mohammad. It is time for Maqbool Fida Hussein to paint Allah, for how is an artist worth his salt if he cannot provoke and bring us out of his comfort zones? It is also time for governments (which includes the Indian one) to stop banning books that depict God or his prophet. Allah, in all his perfection, cannot be represented, but He can certainly be alluded to, artistically grasped by humans. That is, if humans are considered free and mature, and not treated as children by some governments; children whose feelings could be violated by a painting or a novel. This is really not asking for much. The Islamicists abhor music as an act against god. Somehow it has so happened that Islamic traditions have given birth to some of the greatest music the world has known. Secular thought can begin here. Perhaps one day there will be an opera on the life of Mohammad. A. R Rahman or someone as prodigiously talented as him will score it. With faith, not a perverse ideology.

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« Reply #11 on: December 01, 2008, 06:37:07 PM »
Excellent post as usual CLR. For an atheist you seem to know a lot about religions.

The question I have however is while I understand that the Sufis, who were responsible for most of the art, music, maths and science in Isalm  and for most of the peaceful conversions and who are supposed to be still in majority (especially compared to the Wahabis), why can they not raise their voices and initiate some peaceful actions as they did in the past to counter this evil that is plaguing their religion?
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« Reply #12 on: December 01, 2008, 06:55:18 PM »
Good post CLR. Interesting look at the historical misses..

I think there is a different type of lack of REPRESENTATION.. that is the root cause of lack of development of Islam. It is the lack of representation for women. All modern societies (even sub-societies within Hinduism) that are progressive, "developed" and more open-minded have equal rights and decision-making power for women. Till Islamic societies fix this issue, I see them continuing to miss the boat.

Having said that...I think we need to move beyond looking at the WHYs of Islamic terrorism.. and act now. The time for diagnosis and long-term fixes is later .. it is time for action now. Sorry, there is a snake in the house that wants to kill my kid.. I cant worry about where it came from and why he is here and what he thinks.. I need to kill him first and save the child. Tomorrow is the time for fumigation and spraying of anti-snake poison etc outside my house.
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Re: The Greatest Inferiority Complex On Earth?
« Reply #13 on: December 01, 2008, 11:12:35 PM »
Excellent post as usual CLR. For an atheist you seem to know a lot about religions.

The question I have however is while I understand that the Sufis, who were responsible for most of the art, music, maths and science in Isalm  and for most of the peaceful conversions and who are supposed to be still in majority (especially compared to the Wahabis), why can they not raise their voices and initiate some peaceful actions as they did in the past to counter this evil that is plaguing their religion?

That is a good question Vincent. I do not know the answer to this. Not in significant detail anyways. However, there are numerous instances when pacifist and moderate voices in a tradition have become quiet or marginalized especially because they have not been able to arm themselves against forces of evil and intolerance. Buddhism for instance died out in India after dominating it for several centuries when confronted  with brutal and inclement state power.
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« Reply #14 on: December 01, 2008, 11:28:50 PM »
Good post CLR. Interesting look at the historical misses..

I think there is a different type of lack of REPRESENTATION.. that is the root cause of lack of development of Islam. It is the lack of representation for women. All modern societies (even sub-societies within Hinduism) that are progressive, "developed" and more open-minded have equal rights and decision-making power for women. Till Islamic societies fix this issue, I see them continuing to miss the boat.

Having said that...I think we need to move beyond looking at the WHYs of Islamic terrorism.. and act now. The time for diagnosis and long-term fixes is later .. it is time for action now. Sorry, there is a snake in the house that wants to kill my kid.. I cant worry about where it came from and why he is here and what he thinks.. I need to kill him first and save the child. Tomorrow is the time for fumigation and spraying of anti-snake poison etc outside my house.

True, but the the twin tasks of obliterating terrorism and a historically astute reformation of Islamic societies have to go hand in hand. That will actually make the former task a more efficient one. I see three major reasons for this:

1. Islam is a huge faith, commanding a global flock of about one billion. Hence, we, at no point, can alienate the moderate sections of this population. Young people should not become terrorists.

2. Constructive reform of Islamic societies (education, employment, economy) will automatically destroy the mass base of terrorist groups. Frankly, I believe in the old adage that an idle brain is a devil's workshop. Let us not delude ourselves: many youngsters join terror groups because they want to vent their frustration and have nothing better to do. Reform can thus isolate terrorists from Islamic societies.

3. Many highly educated Muslim professionals (Bin Laden is an engineer remember?) join terror networks because they feel marginalized and discriminated against. Let us foster a culture that does not give them that excuse.

There are undeniably pathological, absolutely psychotic elements in the global terror movement, and they should be pursued and killed without mercy, but we do have to take a long term view of things in terms of the global Islamic population. Remember, not everyone in Hitler's Germany was a monster. It was just a perverse Nazi ideology that had for some time enthralled a nation. After the war was over, how long did it take for the German civil society to awake from that nightmare? When the battle is about ideas as well as bullets, it is crucially important to take the high moral ground, in order to distinguish oneself from one's enemies, so that the enemy can never tell an uncommitted or confused person that we are as bad or worse than he is. The Bush administration never understood that.
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« Reply #15 on: December 02, 2008, 04:16:55 AM »
Excellent post as usual CLR. For an atheist you seem to know a lot about religions.

The question I have however is while I understand that the Sufis, who were responsible for most of the art, music, maths and science in Isalm  and for most of the peaceful conversions and who are supposed to be still in majority (especially compared to the Wahabis), why can they not raise their voices and initiate some peaceful actions as they did in the past to counter this evil that is plaguing their religion?

A small correction...CLR said he is agnostic...not atheist
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« Reply #16 on: December 02, 2008, 05:42:51 AM »
Good post CLR. Interesting look at the historical misses..

I think there is a different type of lack of REPRESENTATION.. that is the root cause of lack of development of Islam. It is the lack of representation for women. All modern societies (even sub-societies within Hinduism) that are progressive, "developed" and more open-minded have equal rights and decision-making power for women. Till Islamic societies fix this issue, I see them continuing to miss the boat.
I don't know about cause and effect. But it sure is an indicator that orthodox religious interpretations continue to win over rationale.
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Having said that...I think we need to move beyond looking at the WHYs of Islamic terrorism.. and act now. The time for diagnosis and long-term fixes is later .. it is time for action now. Sorry, there is a snake in the house that wants to kill my kid.. I cant worry about where it came from and why he is here and what he thinks.. I need to kill him first and save the child. Tomorrow is the time for fumigation and spraying of anti-snake poison etc outside my house.
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« Reply #17 on: December 02, 2008, 05:52:36 AM »
Excellent post as usual CLR. For an atheist you seem to know a lot about religions.

The question I have however is while I understand that the Sufis, who were responsible for most of the art, music, maths and science in Isalm  and for most of the peaceful conversions and who are supposed to be still in majority (especially compared to the Wahabis), why can they not raise their voices and initiate some peaceful actions as they did in the past to counter this evil that is plaguing their religion?

A small correction...CLR said he is agnostic...not atheist

Correct! Thank you very much Libran. I am an agnostic because the concept called God is beyond my comprehension. Which means that with my limited knowledge, I can neither prove that he exists nor that he does not. I just wish people would give up claims of having a monopolistic claim over the almighty and use that to butcher people who think differently.
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« Reply #18 on: December 02, 2008, 05:52:51 AM »
Good post CLR. Interesting look at the historical misses..

I think there is a different type of lack of REPRESENTATION.. that is the root cause of lack of development of Islam. It is the lack of representation for women. All modern societies (even sub-societies within Hinduism) that are progressive, "developed" and more open-minded have equal rights and decision-making power for women. Till Islamic societies fix this issue, I see them continuing to miss the boat.

Having said that...I think we need to move beyond looking at the WHYs of Islamic terrorism.. and act now. The time for diagnosis and long-term fixes is later .. it is time for action now. Sorry, there is a snake in the house that wants to kill my kid.. I cant worry about where it came from and why he is here and what he thinks.. I need to kill him first and save the child. Tomorrow is the time for fumigation and spraying of anti-snake poison etc outside my house.

True, but the the twin tasks of obliterating terrorism and a historically astute reformation of Islamic societies have to go hand in hand. That will actually make the former task a more efficient one. I see three major reasons for this:

1. Islam is a huge faith, commanding a global flock of about one billion. Hence, we, at no point, can alienate the moderate sections of this population. Young people should not become terrorists.

2. Constructive reform of Islamic societies (education, employment, economy) will automatically destroy the mass base of terrorist groups. Frankly, I believe in the old adage that an idle brain is a devil's workshop. Let us not delude ourselves: many youngsters join terror groups because they want to vent their frustration and have nothing better to do. Reform can thus isolate terrorists from Islamic societies.

3. Many highly educated Muslim professionals (Bin Laden is an engineer remember?) join terror networks because they feel marginalized and discriminated against. Let us foster a culture that does not give them that excuse.

There are undeniably pathological, absolutely psychotic elements in the global terror movement, and they should be pursued and killed without mercy, but we do have to take a long term view of things in terms of the global Islamic population. Remember, not everyone in Hitler's Germany was a monster. It was just a perverse Nazi ideology that had for some time enthralled a nation. After the war was over, how long did it take for the German civil society to awake from that nightmare? When the battle is about ideas as well as bullets, it is crucially important to take the high moral ground, in order to distinguish oneself from one's enemies, so that the enemy can never tell an uncommitted or confused person that we are as bad or worse than he is. The Bush administration never understood that.

Completely Agree ...  :notworthy: :notworthy:
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« Reply #19 on: December 02, 2008, 06:12:39 AM »
True, but the the twin tasks of obliterating terrorism and a historically astute reformation of Islamic societies have to go hand in hand. That will actually make the former task a more efficient one.

Of course, both have to happen.. but the reality is that time it will take to  reform Isamic societies will be longer and is something Islam has to do to itself. Also, those "outside" can through our actions quickly & effectively influence the obliteration of terrorism (at least the most radical and active part) .. and protect ourselves.

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Don't understand what you mean by this. Bush adminstration's response to 9/11 was precise, appropriate and effective. Till Afghanistan his administration was doing fine. It is when he went zealous and crazy on Iraq .. things started to unravel for his adminstration and he lost the moral high ground as well. Then he lost focus and screwed up Afghanistan too. IMO, he understood the value of higher moral ground but then overstretched himself and also, surrounded himself with incompetent yesmen who could not execute due to their ideological and screwed up worldview.
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« Reply #20 on: December 02, 2008, 06:21:45 AM »
True, but the the twin tasks of obliterating terrorism and a historically astute reformation of Islamic societies have to go hand in hand. That will actually make the former task a more efficient one.

Of course, both have to happen.. but the reality is that time it will take to  reform Isamic societies will be longer and is something Islam has to do to itself. Also, those "outside" can through our actions quickly & effectively influence the obliteration of terrorism (at least the most radical and active part) .. and protect ourselves.

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The Bush administration never understood that.
Don't understand what you mean by this. Bush adminstration's response to 9/11 was precise, appropriate and effective. Till Afghanistan his administration was doing fine. It is when he went zealous and crazy on Iraq .. things started to unravel for his adminstration and he lost the moral high ground as well. Then he lost focus and screwed up Afghanistan too. IMO, he understood the value of higher moral ground but then overstretched himself and also, surrounded himself with incompetent yesmen who could not execute due to their ideological and screwed up worldview.


I have mixed feelings about point number one.

I partially agree with point number two.
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« Reply #21 on: December 02, 2008, 06:55:51 AM »
Good post CLR. Interesting look at the historical misses..

I think there is a different type of lack of REPRESENTATION.. that is the root cause of lack of development of Islam. It is the lack of representation for women. All modern societies (even sub-societies within Hinduism) that are progressive, "developed" and more open-minded have equal rights and decision-making power for women. Till Islamic societies fix this issue, I see them continuing to miss the boat.

Having said that...I think we need to move beyond looking at the WHYs of Islamic terrorism.. and act now. The time for diagnosis and long-term fixes is later .. it is time for action now. Sorry, there is a snake in the house that wants to kill my kid.. I cant worry about where it came from and why he is here and what he thinks.. I need to kill him first and save the child. Tomorrow is the time for fumigation and spraying of anti-snake poison etc outside my house.

True, but the the twin tasks of obliterating terrorism and a historically astute reformation of Islamic societies have to go hand in hand. That will actually make the former task a more efficient one. I see three major reasons for this:

1. Islam is a huge faith, commanding a global flock of about one billion. Hence, we, at no point, can alienate the moderate sections of this population. Young people should not become terrorists.

2. Constructive reform of Islamic societies (education, employment, economy) will automatically destroy the mass base of terrorist groups. Frankly, I believe in the old adage that an idle brain is a devil's workshop. Let us not delude ourselves: many youngsters join terror groups because they want to vent their frustration and have nothing better to do. Reform can thus isolate terrorists from Islamic societies.

3. Many highly educated Muslim professionals (Bin Laden is an engineer remember?) join terror networks because they feel marginalized and discriminated against. Let us foster a culture that does not give them that excuse.

There are undeniably pathological, absolutely psychotic elements in the global terror movement, and they should be pursued and killed without mercy, but we do have to take a long term view of things in terms of the global Islamic population. Remember, not everyone in Hitler's Germany was a monster. It was just a perverse Nazi ideology that had for some time enthralled a nation. After the war was over, how long did it take for the German civil society to awake from that nightmare? When the battle is about ideas as well as bullets, it is crucially important to take the high moral ground, in order to distinguish oneself from one's enemies, so that the enemy can never tell an uncommitted or confused person that we are as bad or worse than he is. The Bush administration never understood that.

CLR,

Brilliantly put.

As you've alluded to many times, Muslims feel marginalized. Muslim countries feel marginalized because of binary opposition to the West. Muslim minorities feel marginalized because they never feel they're appreciated. But it isn't just that they feel marginalized within their respective regions; they feel marginalized because of a pan-Islamic identity that is far stronger than any national identity. Perhaps Juadism is the only other religion where an American Jew will be distraught (as opposed to sad) at Jews killed in Mumbai. Because of this peculiar state of pan-marginalization, we're (i.e. the non-Islamic world) left with fewer options as we do not have that same collective identiy and ability to connect dots across nations of Islamic opression. Because we, the non-muslims, are not one entity, we're a step behind in combating the extremist elements that have the whole world to give them instances of Muslim marginalization.

Each time a terrorist attack happens, the retaliation will be severe. It brings prejudice to surface--in America it will be whites looking at Indians and Arabs suspiciously. In India, it will be Hindus looking at Muslims. And all of it will only help the jihadis (as it will further feed on their theory of victimization) and hurt the moderate Muslim. It is almost inevitable that in time the moderate Muslim will cease to exist--as either he will entirely give up on the faith, ala Rushdie, or be pushed further to the right. So, while I entirely agree with your analysis, I do not sadly see light at the end of the tunnel.
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Re: The Greatest Inferiority Complex On Earth?
« Reply #22 on: December 05, 2008, 03:35:58 AM »
I am an agnostic because the concept called God is beyond my comprehension.

You put the cart before the horse, CLR! It's actually the other way round. You're supposed to use the concept of God to explain away everything that is beyond your comprehension.
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« Reply #23 on: December 05, 2008, 03:50:18 AM »
I am an agnostic because the concept called God is beyond my comprehension.

You put the cart before the horse, CLR! It's actually the other way round. You're supposed to use the concept of God to explain away everything that is beyond your comprehension.
Or if you are the scientific type, i.e. "rational" .. you can explain away all that is not explainable by probability theory ;D
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« Reply #24 on: December 05, 2008, 06:30:43 AM »

Or if you are the scientific type, i.e. "rational" .. you can explain away all that is not explainable by probability theory ;D

My world view is actually probabilistic.
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« Reply #25 on: December 05, 2008, 06:43:51 AM »
I am an agnostic because the concept called God is beyond my comprehension.

You put the cart before the horse, CLR! It's actually the other way round. You're supposed to use the concept of God to explain away everything that is beyond your comprehension.

Not really Proloy. I have to put it somehow. I just did with my own bias. This is called the hermeneutic cycle. You begin with a transcendent proposition, like God is the explanation of all things and then come back to it, in a circle.
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