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What is your IND ODI team for Cuttack

SRT
- 16 (8.2%)
VS
- 8 (4.1%)
GG
- 12 (6.2%)
YS
- 16 (8.2%)
VK
- 12 (6.2%)
MSD
- 17 (8.7%)
YP
- 17 (8.7%)
PO
- 13 (6.7%)
IS
- 13 (6.7%)
MP
- 16 (8.2%)
IKP
- 16 (8.2%)
ZK
- 6 (3.1%)
HS
- 8 (4.1%)
SR
- 15 (7.7%)
RS
- 10 (5.1%)

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5th ODI Cuttack team and pre match discussions
« on: November 24, 2008, 02:03:19 PM »
Last match at Barabati stadium.
http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/indveng/engine/match/267707.html
MSD has said that the players sitting on bench will get a chance to play.
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Re: 5th ODI Cuttack team and pre match discussions
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2008, 02:05:10 PM »
Here is my preferred team with equal chances to win:
SRT,VS,GG,YS,VK,MSD,YP,PO,IKP,IS,MP

Rested
HS,ZK,SR,RS
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Re: 5th ODI Cuttack team and pre match discussions
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2008, 02:07:12 PM »
Also will swap the batting order as follows:
VS,GG,SRT,YS,YP,VK,MSD,IKP,PO,IS,MP
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Re: 5th ODI Cuttack team and pre match discussions
« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2008, 02:41:09 PM »
SRT
VK
RS
SR
YS
MSD
YP
IP
PO
MP
IS
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Re: 5th ODI Cuttack team and pre match discussions
« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2008, 02:43:55 PM »
SRT
VK
RS
SR
YS
MSD
YP
IP
PO
MP
IS
While the team is good giving options to everybody but I have two concerns:
1. This will kill my fantasy team :(
2. Removing VS and GG who have been playing good we reduce our victory chances.
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Re: 5th ODI Cuttack team and pre match discussions
« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2008, 02:45:48 PM »
i dont care about your fantasy team or our victory chances  ;D

for me it is a simple exercise in combinatorics  ;D
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Re: 5th ODI Cuttack team and pre match discussions
« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2008, 02:48:51 PM »
Fantasy scoring should devalue dead-rubber games.
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Re: 5th ODI Cuttack team and pre match discussions
« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2008, 03:11:29 PM »
Here is my preferred team with equal chances to win:
SRT,VS,GG,YS,VK,MSD,YP,PO,IKP,IS,MP

Rested
HS,ZK,SR,RS

why the heck will you rest SR/RS and play GG/VS !!!!

my lineup: VS, YP, SR, RS, YS, MSD, IP, HS, Ojha, IS, MP

Don't see any use of playing Sachin in meaningless games. I'll play him in Game 6 and rest him again in Game 7.
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Re: 5th ODI Cuttack team and pre match discussions
« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2008, 03:47:42 PM »
Why can't MSD play as a batsman and give chance to someone else as WK
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Re: 5th ODI Cuttack team and pre match discussions
« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2008, 03:57:11 PM »
Why can't MSD play as a batsman and give chance to someone else as WK
Define "someone"
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Re: 5th ODI Cuttack team and pre match discussions
« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2008, 04:14:15 PM »
Here is my preferred team with equal chances to win:
SRT,VS,GG,YS,VK,MSD,YP,PO,IKP,IS,MP

Rested
HS,ZK,SR,RS

why the heck will you rest SR/RS and play GG/VS !!!!

my lineup: VS, YP, SR, RS, YS, MSD, IP, HS, Ojha, IS, MP

Don't see any use of playing Sachin in meaningless games. I'll play him in Game 6 and rest him again in Game 7.

SRT has played in only ODI against Eng and failed. Don't you think he needs some knocks before the important tests ?
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Re: 5th ODI Cuttack team and pre match discussions
« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2008, 04:23:56 PM »
Why can't MSD play as a batsman and give chance to someone else as WK
Define "someone"

KKD - I think KKD should come in as WK and MSD should take a break from last 2 games.
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Re: 5th ODI Cuttack team and pre match discussions
« Reply #12 on: November 24, 2008, 04:25:44 PM »
Why can't MSD play as a batsman and give chance to someone else as WK
Define "someone"

KKD - I think KKD should come in as WK and MSD should take a break from last 2 games.
Oh OK . For last two games it is fine. I was more focussing on next one.
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Re: 5th ODI Cuttack team and pre match discussions
« Reply #13 on: November 24, 2008, 04:25:47 PM »
SRT has played in only ODI against Eng and failed. Don't you think he needs some knocks before the important tests ?

no point even he gets into groove again since there is a 10-day break between ODI-7 and Test-1. Nope, Sachin will be alright, he's in superb form !!
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Re: 5th ODI Cuttack team and pre match discussions
« Reply #14 on: November 24, 2008, 04:36:13 PM »
SRT has played in only ODI against Eng and failed. Don't you think he needs some knocks before the important tests ?

no point even he gets into groove again since there is a 10-day break between ODI-7 and Test-1. Nope, Sachin will be alright, he's in superb form !!
Well..  Beats the purpose of his induction in XV for 4th and 5th ODI. I would still prefer him to get a fresh feel of Flintoff, Andy,Colly, Broad and all. Also what wiould keep him in form is play better bowlers more often.If not 5th , than both 6th and seventh. Using the same logic, I guess RS,SR and YS who are in radar for tests should play the remaining games as well.
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Re: 5th ODI Cuttack team and pre match discussions
« Reply #15 on: November 24, 2008, 05:08:47 PM »
I did not see any purpose of including him for 4th and 5th after being up 3-0 anyways ;)
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Re: 5th ODI Cuttack team and pre match discussions
« Reply #16 on: November 24, 2008, 05:14:54 PM »
I did not see any purpose of including him for 4th and 5th after being up 3-0 anyways ;)
That definately strengthed our MO  and made the batting stronger IMO ensuring the series win.
However I was not too pleased to see they tampered the opening partnership in the last ODI to give "GOD" his favourable spot.
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Re: 5th ODI Cuttack team and pre match discussions
« Reply #17 on: November 24, 2008, 06:18:13 PM »
Didn't Gambhir say in some interview that he prefers #3 to opening.
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Re: 5th ODI Cuttack team and pre match discussions
« Reply #18 on: November 24, 2008, 07:04:58 PM »
Didn't Gambhir say in some interview that he prefers #3 to opening.
Is it ? I wasn't aware. In that case i take my complain back.
Did the interview quote "sources" ?  :icon_smile:
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Re: 5th ODI Cuttack team and pre match discussions
« Reply #19 on: November 24, 2008, 08:02:04 PM »
The lack of a second keeper sucks. MSD needs a break. And the next three ODI's is the right time for him to take one.
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Re: 5th ODI Cuttack team and pre match discussions
« Reply #20 on: November 24, 2008, 08:15:29 PM »
sucks big time.
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Re: 5th ODI Cuttack team and pre match discussions
« Reply #21 on: November 24, 2008, 10:03:20 PM »
Didn't Gambhir say in some interview that he prefers #3 to opening.
Is it ? I wasn't aware. In that case i take my complain back.
Did the interview quote "sources" ?  :icon_smile:
Yes GG said so. That was pre -Australia tour or around that time. Things may have changed since.
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Re: 5th ODI Cuttack team and pre match discussions
« Reply #22 on: November 25, 2008, 12:48:08 AM »
Well.. One of the times I don't agree with DGians here.
There is only one among SR or RS to play.As per the vote SR plays.
Personally when I see a match Ind vs Eng. My first impression is: India wins the match. I don't care what the excuses are. "India" by name is Sacrosanct by itself for the victory. Thus losing a winning combination is sucidal for me. As per "God's" consideration  meanigless ODIS's  etc etc..That is his personal opinion. If INDIA feels the same way they can get away with ODI's altogether. "INDIA" where ever involved should play with only one mission: VICTORY. This means giving a team which does not compromise on victory. I don't think VS shoud be compromised here.
VS has controlled a lot of his outside Off-stump flashes as seen in last 4 ODI's. What this also means is he is turninng to be more reliable than  a flash in pan. I definately want him to play for Indias best chances to win. I can't imagine when people discount the impact of VS in Victories. A VS making 50 in total is a victory score vs somebody else making 50.
VS MUST PLAY IN NEXT MATCH.  Fellow DGians, please change your vote  ;)


SRT 9 (9.3%)
GG  6 (6.2%)
YS  8 (8.2%)
VK  7 (7.2%)
SR  6 (6.2%)
RS  5 (5.2%)
MSD  8 (8.2%)
YP  8 (8.2%)
PO  7 (7.2%)
IS  7 (7.2%)
MP  8 (8.2%)
IKP  8 (8.2%)


ZK  2 (2.1%)
HS  4 (4.1%)
VS  4 (4.1%)
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Re: 5th ODI Cuttack team and pre match discussions
« Reply #23 on: November 25, 2008, 12:54:25 AM »
ha .. you think an argument as weak as that can make me change my hatred for odis ?
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Re: 5th ODI Cuttack team and pre match discussions
« Reply #24 on: November 25, 2008, 01:05:57 AM »
No point of playing SRT, ZK, HS.
I would like to rest MSD but there is no WK in sight :(. It so happens that we can even rest GG/ VS.
I want to see YP given an opportunity to play a longer innings. I would go for
VK, YP, RS, YS, SR, MSD, GG/VS, IP, PO, IS, MP
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Re: 5th ODI Cuttack team and pre match discussions
« Reply #25 on: November 25, 2008, 01:22:15 AM »
ha .. you think an argument as weak as that can make me change my hatred for odis ?
There is only one thng that can overcome hatred. That has to be love. Obviously the argument is not the one. I still watch these ODI's with interest. Hence i will hold my thoughts. Personally I can't watch all the 5 day games. I dont know if a game can't be watched by its followers what interest it brings. If this was just for players, Nowadays they have the TV's in stadiums for the players to watch their own game.
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« Reply #26 on: November 25, 2008, 02:00:14 AM »
even i cant watch a game 5 days every over. but thats the whole point. even though you are not watching the game it is with you - in your heart, in the back of your mind. it is like you cannot be with your loved ones or family all the time - but they are always there in your heart.
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Re: 5th ODI Cuttack team and pre match discussions
« Reply #27 on: November 25, 2008, 03:34:24 AM »
Why can't MSD play as a batsman and give chance to someone else as WK
Define "someone"

KKD - I think KKD should come in as WK and MSD should take a break from last 2 games.

I like the idea of getting Wriddhiman Saha into the mix
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« Reply #28 on: November 25, 2008, 03:38:20 AM »
or goswami !
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« Reply #29 on: November 25, 2008, 03:44:50 AM »
Ok. This is how I see it.

Should play all games from here on: RS, SR, VK, YP, IKP, MP, PO

That leaves five slots in the XI - two batsmen, one wicket keeper, two bowlers - to be made up by the others.

MSD will obviously play ODI 5 - he should then be given rest - get Saha/KKD in the mix.

ZK should not play any more ODIs. The others can be rotated over the next three games.

SRT's case is interesting - I think it will largely be up to him. If he says he wants to play (and I believe he will want to play), there is no way anyone is going to be able to keep him out.

So my team for the 5th and all other ODIs would be something like this

SRT/YS (not necessarily opening - if YS plays, he goes to No 3 & YP or VK opens)
VS/GG
RS
SR
VK
MSD / KKD / Saha
YP
IKP
IS/HS/RPS/Dinda
PO
MP
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Re: 5th ODI Cuttack team and pre match discussions
« Reply #30 on: November 25, 2008, 03:45:58 AM »
or goswami !

Is he the U-19 keeper? What has he done besides that?
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Re: 5th ODI Cuttack team and pre match discussions
« Reply #31 on: November 25, 2008, 03:51:44 AM »
Ok. This is how I see it.

Should play all games from here on: RS, SR, VK, YP, IKP, MP, PO

That leaves five slots in the XI - two batsmen, one wicket keeper, two bowlers - to be made up by the others.

Seven names are mentioned, so four slots are open in this scenario. 2 batsmen, 1 WK, 1 bowler, most likely configuration.

Bringing back Dravid to play might not be such a bat idea. Better than drafting him straight into the tests  :o
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Re: 5th ODI Cuttack team and pre match discussions
« Reply #32 on: November 25, 2008, 03:55:05 AM »

Rest VS,HS and ZK.
VK for next two ODI's in place of GG and new keeper in place of Dhoni while VS leads.
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« Reply #33 on: November 25, 2008, 03:56:14 AM »
or goswami !

Is he the U-19 keeper? What has he done besides that?
he looked really good in the IPL. scored well in the world cup. more importantly he looks a natural with the gloves ... beautiful hand work all skill and natural ... lovely hands.
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« Reply #34 on: November 25, 2008, 03:56:47 AM »
Ok. This is how I see it.

Should play all games from here on: RS, SR, VK, YP, IKP, MP, PO

That leaves five slots in the XI - two batsmen, one wicket keeper, two bowlers - to be made up by the others.

Seven names are mentioned, so four slots are open in this scenario. 2 batsmen, 1 WK, 1 bowler, most likely configuration.

Oops ... I'm still in bailout mode - maybe that's where the extra player came in

Bringing back Dravid to play might not be such a bat idea. Better than drafting him straight into the tests  :o

I would rather have him as part of the BP XI squad to face England. He is anyway playing in the Ranji matches.
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« Reply #35 on: November 25, 2008, 03:57:46 AM »
Ok. This is how I see it.

Should play all games from here on: RS, SR, VK, YP, IKP, MP, PO

That leaves five slots in the XI - two batsmen, one wicket keeper, two bowlers - to be made up by the others.

MSD will obviously play ODI 5 - he should then be given rest - get Saha/KKD in the mix.

ZK should not play any more ODIs. The others can be rotated over the next three games.

SRT's case is interesting - I think it will largely be up to him. If he says he wants to play (and I believe he will want to play), there is no way anyone is going to be able to keep him out.

So my team for the 5th and all other ODIs would be something like this

SRT/YS (not necessarily opening - if YS plays, he goes to No 3 & YP or VK opens)
VS/GG
RS
SR
VK
MSD / KKD / Saha
YP
IKP
IS/HS/RPS/Dinda
PO
MP
ishant should be handled with as much care as zak
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Re: 5th ODI Cuttack team and pre match discussions
« Reply #36 on: November 25, 2008, 03:58:18 AM »
Ok. This is how I see it.

Should play all games from here on: RS, SR, VK, YP, IKP, MP, PO

That leaves five slots in the XI - two batsmen, one wicket keeper, two bowlers - to be made up by the others.
brilliant idea !  :icon_thumleft: ::cheers:: ::kingkong::

Seven names are mentioned, so four slots are open in this scenario. 2 batsmen, 1 WK, 1 bowler, most likely configuration.

Bringing back Dravid to play might not be such a bat idea. Better than drafting him straight into the tests  :o
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Re: 5th ODI Cuttack team and pre match discussions
« Reply #37 on: November 25, 2008, 03:59:14 AM »
Ok. This is how I see it.

Should play all games from here on: RS, SR, VK, YP, IKP, MP, PO

That leaves five slots in the XI - two batsmen, one wicket keeper, two bowlers - to be made up by the others.

MSD will obviously play ODI 5 - he should then be given rest - get Saha/KKD in the mix.

ZK should not play any more ODIs. The others can be rotated over the next three games.

SRT's case is interesting - I think it will largely be up to him. If he says he wants to play (and I believe he will want to play), there is no way anyone is going to be able to keep him out.

So my team for the 5th and all other ODIs would be something like this

SRT/YS (not necessarily opening - if YS plays, he goes to No 3 & YP or VK opens)
VS/GG
RS
SR
VK
MSD / KKD / Saha
YP
IKP
IS/HS/RPS/Dinda
PO
MP
ishant should be handled with as much care as zak

Agreed. But he has already rested for the first two ODIs. He can play one more till we get more guys into the squad after the 5th ODI.
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Re: 5th ODI Cuttack team and pre match discussions
« Reply #38 on: November 25, 2008, 04:53:11 AM »
I like the idea of getting Wriddhiman Saha into the mix

or goswami !

Are either of them in good form ? What are their recent scores ?
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Re: 5th ODI Cuttack team and pre match discussions
« Reply #39 on: November 25, 2008, 04:59:39 AM »
Well.. One of the times I don't agree with DGians here.
There is only one among SR or RS to play.As per the vote SR plays.
Personally when I see a match Ind vs Eng. My first impression is: India wins the match. I don't care what the excuses are. "India" by name is Sacrosanct by itself for the victory. Thus losing a winning combination is sucidal for me. As per "God's" consideration  meanigless ODIS's  etc etc..That is his personal opinion. If INDIA feels the same way they can get away with ODI's altogether. "INDIA" where ever involved should play with only one mission: VICTORY. This means giving a team which does not compromise on victory. I don't think VS shoud be compromised here.
VS has controlled a lot of his outside Off-stump flashes as seen in last 4 ODI's. What this also means is he is turninng to be more reliable than  a flash in pan. I definately want him to play for Indias best chances to win. I can't imagine when people discount the impact of VS in Victories. A VS making 50 in total is a victory score vs somebody else making 50.
VS MUST PLAY IN NEXT MATCH.  Fellow DGians, please change your vote  ;)

you want to rest HS and ZK. Then can I say you are discounting ZK's impact towards our wins  ??? HS was MoM is 3rd game. You are also discounting HS's impact towards our wins. You are also ok with MSD being rested in the last 2 games. In that case, you are also compromising on India winning the last 3 ODIs by not wanting to play MSD/ZK/HS.
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