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[Emaad]

Australians were Pakistan is not safe because there were so many bomb blasts in

Pakistan but why they toured India. According to statistics in India after arrival of

Australian Crciket team 150 person died and hundereds injuried....This is sign of

Australain dual policy

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         http://www.risethemag.com/viewarticles.aspx?aid=70

[cricinfo]

in case you have not noticed ...it is all about power and money...and BCCI has plenty of those two. Essentially that is what guides everything else.
And in case you are wondering how India ended up cornering all the power and money(field of cricket is just one of those) ...it is about the positive things happening in the country in terms of Economy,Democracy, Religious acceptance..all these have helped India create a positive global image. Eventually We are able to create a Brand India which plays a sub-concious role in the minds of people from outside the sub-continent.

A very crude example will be wearing an expensive branded Levis(Playing in India) compared to an Unbranded Jeans(Playing in Pakistan)( both probably were  produced in some sweatshop in Indonesia by same material)...Aussies do get a false sense of security in playing on Indian soil. But hey even if it is a false/made-up image, We Indians worked hard to create that image....so we expect to reap benifits out of it

[keep-it-cool]

Emaad,

I think it has to partly do with, as cricinfo said, the fact that the Indian board is very powerful and rich and teh Aussies also have financial interests in India in the form of endorsements, television appearances (there are close to 20 news channels and all of them want someone to comment), IPL etc. To that extent, you can call them hypocrites.

However, whether right or wrong, there also seems to be a perception that the situation on the ground in Pakistan is more dangerous than in India. This perception would also have a bearing on the decision.

[broadbat]

I think there was some blast outside the Gaddafi stadium yesterday.

[cricinfo]

btw Emaad, In the "About Us" section of your website you talk about trying to create a positive image of muslim world and Pakistan. It is a very good initiative . I am sure you get various kind of feedback and inputs on how to create a positive image of muslim society and Pakistan, here are my 2 cents as an outsider -

Creating a positive image of Pakistan needs to happen in conjunction with acceptance/recognition of the faiths and societies across the world without fearing that such acceptance will result in dilution of fabric of Pakistan/muslim society..or  else muslim society will suffer from "Frog In The Well" syndrome eternally(As it does now).Empowerment of people is very important...let the common people decide what is good and what is bad, dont underestimate the human mind.
Trying to paint a positive picture of Pakistani society does not mean you need to paint a negative image of other societies of the world.
I managed to scrape through your site and found a couple of articles - one with Anti-India propa*a(RAW/India being cause of terrorism in Pakistan) and the other one trying to imply that Pakistani singers/composers should try not to participate in bollywood as this will somehow hamper their creative abilities.
If this would have been any other website , i would have been hardly surprised with such articles  but I dont think such articles deserve place in a website which touts to promote positive image of Pakistani/Muslim society and try to uplift the morale....this is hardly the way my friend to bring i-revolution and create "Brand Pakistan".

[keep-it-cool]

I managed to scrape through your site and found a couple of articles - one with Anti-India propa*a(RAW/India being cause of terrorism in Pakistan) and the other one trying to imply that Pakistani singers/composers should try not to participate in bollywood as this will somehow hamper their creative abilities.

I havent read the first article but I dont think the second one about Pakistani singers is wrong or anti-India. This is a sentiment tht has been expressed by many Indian classical singers / musicians as well .. that once the music / musician becomes "filmi" (i.e. trying to operate within the commercial framework), the quality suffers. This is also one of the reasons why singers like Yesudas, Suresh Wadekar & even Jagjit Singh have become very selective on what they sing and who they sing for in the film world.

[cricinfo]

I managed to scrape through your site and found a couple of articles - one with Anti-India propa*a(RAW/India being cause of terrorism in Pakistan) and the other one trying to imply that Pakistani singers/composers should try not to participate in bollywood as this will somehow hamper their creative abilities.

I havent read the first article but I dont think the second one about Pakistani singers is wrong or anti-India. This is a sentiment tht has been expressed by many Indian classical singers / musicians as well .. that once the music / musician becomes "filmi" (i.e. trying to operate within the commercial framework), the quality suffers. This is also one of the reasons why singers like Yesudas, Suresh Wadekar & even Jagjit Singh have become very selective on what they sing and who they sing for in the film world.

After so much 'rape' of music/song etc in forms of remix/hip-hop etc etc...do you think Indian music or musicians are suffering from the issue of quality ? I dont think so.The volume of crap being produced by bollywood is growing hugely , but that does not mean quality lyrics/songs are not getting produced.It is upto us what we choose to listen to and whether we have access to that.Songs of  'TMZ' will always be popular and people will purchase CDs of those rather than buying cds of 'Krazzy4'/'Golmaal Returns' and thousand others produced in the same timeframe.I think "Production of quality material" and "Production of crap" are mutually exclusive

[keep-it-cool]

I managed to scrape through your site and found a couple of articles - one with Anti-India propa*a(RAW/India being cause of terrorism in Pakistan) and the other one trying to imply that Pakistani singers/composers should try not to participate in bollywood as this will somehow hamper their creative abilities.

I havent read the first article but I dont think the second one about Pakistani singers is wrong or anti-India. This is a sentiment tht has been expressed by many Indian classical singers / musicians as well .. that once the music / musician becomes "filmi" (i.e. trying to operate within the commercial framework), the quality suffers. This is also one of the reasons why singers like Yesudas, Suresh Wadekar & even Jagjit Singh have become very selective on what they sing and who they sing for in the film world.

After so much 'rape' of music/song etc in forms of remix/hip-hop etc etc...do you think Indian music or musicians are suffering from the issue of quality ? I dont think so.The volume of crap being produced by bollywood is growing hugely , but that does not mean quality lyrics/songs are not getting produced.It is upto us what we choose to listen to and whether we have access to that.Songs of  'TMZ' will always be popular and people will purchase CDs of those rather than buying cds of 'Krazzy4'/'Golmaal Returns' and thousand others produced in the same timeframe.I think "Production of quality material" and "Production of crap" are mutually exclusive

I dont disagree with you. However, there are many people who hold the opposite view ...not just Emaad. All I am saying is that holding that view does not necessarily count as an anti-India stand.

[WicketView]

I managed to scrape through your site and found a couple of articles - one with Anti-India propa*a(RAW/India being cause of terrorism in Pakistan) and the other one trying to imply that Pakistani singers/composers should try not to participate in bollywood as this will somehow hamper their creative abilities.

I havent read the first article but I dont think the second one about Pakistani singers is wrong or anti-India. This is a sentiment tht has been expressed by many Indian classical singers / musicians as well .. that once the music / musician becomes "filmi" (i.e. trying to operate within the commercial framework), the quality suffers. This is also one of the reasons why singers like Yesudas, Suresh Wadekar & even Jagjit Singh have become very selective on what they sing and who they sing for in the film world.

After so much 'rape' of music/song etc in forms of remix/hip-hop etc etc...do you think Indian music or musicians are suffering from the issue of quality ? I dont think so.The volume of crap being produced by bollywood is growing hugely , but that does not mean quality lyrics/songs are not getting produced.It is upto us what we choose to listen to and whether we have access to that.Songs of  'TMZ' will always be popular and people will purchase CDs of those rather than buying cds of 'Krazzy4'/'Golmaal Returns' and thousand others produced in the same timeframe.I think "Production of quality material" and "Production of crap" are mutually exclusive

I dont disagree with you. However, there are many people who hold the opposite view ...not just Emaad. All I am saying is that holding that view does not necessarily count as an anti-India stand.

I haven't followed Bollywood music, and after reading this I have an honest question. What fraction of Bollywood music is written/performed/etc. by Pakistani musicians?

[keep-it-cool]

I managed to scrape through your site and found a couple of articles - one with Anti-India propa*a(RAW/India being cause of terrorism in Pakistan) and the other one trying to imply that Pakistani singers/composers should try not to participate in bollywood as this will somehow hamper their creative abilities.

I havent read the first article but I dont think the second one about Pakistani singers is wrong or anti-India. This is a sentiment tht has been expressed by many Indian classical singers / musicians as well .. that once the music / musician becomes "filmi" (i.e. trying to operate within the commercial framework), the quality suffers. This is also one of the reasons why singers like Yesudas, Suresh Wadekar & even Jagjit Singh have become very selective on what they sing and who they sing for in the film world.

After so much 'rape' of music/song etc in forms of remix/hip-hop etc etc...do you think Indian music or musicians are suffering from the issue of quality ? I dont think so.The volume of crap being produced by bollywood is growing hugely , but that does not mean quality lyrics/songs are not getting produced.It is upto us what we choose to listen to and whether we have access to that.Songs of  'TMZ' will always be popular and people will purchase CDs of those rather than buying cds of 'Krazzy4'/'Golmaal Returns' and thousand others produced in the same timeframe.I think "Production of quality material" and "Production of crap" are mutually exclusive

I dont disagree with you. However, there are many people who hold the opposite view ...not just Emaad. All I am saying is that holding that view does not necessarily count as an anti-India stand.

I haven't followed Bollywood music, and after reading this I have an honest question. What fraction of Bollywood music is written/performed/etc. by Pakistani musicians?

difficult to put a number there .. but quite a bit nowadays ... Rahat Fateh Ali Khan, Atif, the guy who sang Mitwaa in KANK .. and many other songs nowadays are being rendered by Pakistani singers.

I dont think there are too many lyricists or music composers from Pakistan in Bollywood.

[gouravk]

what is TMZ ?

[cricinfo]

what is TMZ ?

Honestly speaking I have no idea 


btw I meant TZP

[12th_Man]

what is TMZ ?

Honestly speaking I have no idea 


btw I meant TZP

and TZP is ...

EDIT: got it . Taare zameen pur

[cricinfo]

I managed to scrape through your site and found a couple of articles - one with Anti-India propa*a(RAW/India being cause of terrorism in Pakistan) and the other one trying to imply that Pakistani singers/composers should try not to participate in bollywood as this will somehow hamper their creative abilities.

I havent read the first article but I dont think the second one about Pakistani singers is wrong or anti-India. This is a sentiment tht has been expressed by many Indian classical singers / musicians as well .. that once the music / musician becomes "filmi" (i.e. trying to operate within the commercial framework), the quality suffers. This is also one of the reasons why singers like Yesudas, Suresh Wadekar & even Jagjit Singh have become very selective on what they sing and who they sing for in the film world.

After so much 'rape' of music/song etc in forms of remix/hip-hop etc etc...do you think Indian music or musicians are suffering from the issue of quality ? I dont think so.The volume of crap being produced by bollywood is growing hugely , but that does not mean quality lyrics/songs are not getting produced.It is upto us what we choose to listen to and whether we have access to that.Songs of  'TMZ' will always be popular and people will purchase CDs of those rather than buying cds of 'Krazzy4'/'Golmaal Returns' and thousand others produced in the same timeframe.I think "Production of quality material" and "Production of crap" are mutually exclusive

I dont disagree with you. However, there are many people who hold the opposite view ...not just Emaad. All I am saying is that holding that view does not necessarily count as an anti-India stand.

KIC  interseting article by the poster . I will reserve my comments on this, I wanted to bring this to your attention as I posted on this thread (before the blasts ) about Anti-India propa*a rather than 'positive muslim image' creation

http://www.risethemag.com/viewarticles.aspx?aid=72

[Blwe_torch]

Strange!...........as if to prove his point....things are happening in India.
The problem is that the perpetrators of this terrorism, all belong to Pakistan.................so wherever this turmoil happens, it is routed back to its origin.
It is unfortunately more of a perception problem.....but the Pakistanis are doing precious little to improve their image...only save for pointing fingers at others.

[cricinfo]

As i always thought...this Ahmed Quereshi guy is nothing but one of those hardcode anti-indian muslim...I call him a kind of terrorist(contrary to "Positive Forward Thinking Muslim"). Look at his latest and you will have no doubt left in your mind.



Mumbai blasts and Latest from New Delhi.
By Ahmed Quraishi

 

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan—Preliminary signs emerging from India’s power center, New Delhi, paint a picture of an unstable situation. Security is already compromised. But a bigger story is taking place in New Delhi, not Mumbai. There are disturbing signs that India, a nuclear-armed nation of a billion people, is witnessing a ‘soft coup’ attempt involving secular rightwing ideologues and Hindu nationalists.Exploiting the fears of a traumatized nation and a government caught sleeping at the wheel, a core group of rightwing ideologues within India’s military, intelligence and political elite are trying to overthrow Manmohan Singh’s government. The plan apparently is to help the rise of rightwing elements in power and firmly push India in a confrontation with Pakistan and some other countries in the region.

 

The objective of this core group is to see India emerge as a superpower closely allied with the United States. They are excited about American plans for India as a regional policeman and have no problem in confronting China and Pakistan to achieve this status. They think time is slipping and they don’t want a hesitant political leadership in their way. Already the instability in the wake of Mumbai attacks is being exploited to start a war with Pakistan. The fact that this will also help U.S. military that is facing a tough time in Afghanistan appears to be more than just a coincidence.

 

In the very first hours of the Mumbai attack, the unknown terrorists were able to achieve a singular feat: the targeted murder of Hemant Karkare, the chief antiterrorism officer in the Indian police. The man was responsible for exposing the secret links between the Indian military and Hindu terror groups. His investigation resulted in uncovering the involvement of three Indian military intelligence officers in terrorist acts that were blamed on Muslim groups. At the time of his murder, Karkare was pursuing leads that were supposed to uncover the depth of the nexus between the Indian military and the sudden rise of well armed and well financed Hindu terrorism groups with their wide network of militant training camps across India.

 

Curiously, a CCTV camera has caught on tape one of the unknown terrorists when he arrived with his group at their first target: a train station. The man, dressed in a jeans and a black T-shirt and carrying a machine gun [see picture below], is wearing an orange-colored wrist band very common among religious Hindus. As a comparison, a recent picture of a Hindu militant activist taken during an event this year is shown to the right where the militant is wearing a similar band.




An aggressive advertisement campaign has already begun across India urging a scared population to rise against the government.

 

On Friday, front-page advertisements appeared in several newspapers in Delhi showing blood splattered against a black background and the slogan “Brutal Terror Strikes At Will” in bold capital letters. The ads signed off with a simple message: “Fight Terror. Vote B.J.P.”

 

The Indian, the Pakistani and the international media has not woken up yet to this ‘soft coup’ taking place in New Delhi. Some observers and journalists are beginning to catch its first signs. This is how a New York Times reporter, Somini Sengupta, has characterized it today:

“Mr. Singh’s government had lately hit back at the Bharatiya Janata Party with evidence that its supporters, belonging to a range of radical Hindu organizations, had … been implicated in terrorist attacks. Indeed, in a bizarre twist, the head of the police antiterrorism unit, Hemant Karkare, killed in the Mumbai strikes, had been in the midst of a high-profile investigation of a suspected Hindu terrorist cell. Mr. Karkare’s inquiry had netted nine suspects in connection with a bombing in September of a Muslim-majority area in Malegaon, a small town not far from Mumbai. “

 

Evidence is emerging that Karkare knew he was facing the prospect of a violent death because of the investigation he was pursuing. What Karkare probably didn’t know is that his elimination would come in such a perfectly executed operation.Only hours before Karkare’s violent death, his close friend, retired Colonel Rahul Gowardhan, received an envelope. Karkare called him to say he was sending him a confidential letter. This is how Times of India has reported the story:

 

Just some hours before that, Karkare had sent a letter to him in an envelop which had some “personal” content. “Hemant had called me up on Wednesday,” said Gowardhan, a top official with MSEDCL. “As I was in a meeting, we decided to postpone the talk. He hung up saying he would be sending me an envelope. When I wanted to know the content, he told me to just read the letter that’s inside it. I returned home and read it. I cannot share the content of the letter with anyone,” said Gowardhan.

 

The highly sophisticated nature of the attack in Mumbai, lasting for almost 60 hours, diminishes the chances of a foreign invasion and increases the possibility that influential elements in Indian intelligence and Hindu militant organizations might have helped orchestrate this incident, pretty much like they did in the Sept. 29 Malegaon attack, in which they tried to simulate a Muslim terrorist group. In that attack, in which three Indian military intelligence officers have been arrested, the objective was to provoke a Muslim backlash that could justify a massive state crackdown against minorities.

 

Observers are already seeing how the hawks within the Indian establishment and Hindu militant organizations have seized the initiative from a paralyzed government. The Indian army and intelligence are already penetrated. Now the real culprits are channeling the fears of a traumatized people toward Pakistan.India is on the same path today that the Bush administration hawks took the American nation on after 9/11. But this time, patriotic Indians have the benefit of hindsight. They should stop the secular warmongers and Hindu militants from hijacking their country. The future of the entire region depends on it.

[WicketView]

As i always thought...this Ahmed Quereshi guy is nothing but one of those hardcode anti-indian muslim...I call him a kind of terrorist(contrary to "Positive Forward Thinking Muslim"). Look at his latest and you will have no doubt left in your mind.



Mumbai blasts and Latest from New Delhi.
By Ahmed Quraishi

 

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan—Preliminary signs emerging from India’s power center, New Delhi, paint a picture of an unstable situation. Security is already compromised. But a bigger story is taking place in New Delhi, not Mumbai. There are disturbing signs that India, a nuclear-armed nation of a billion people, is witnessing a ‘soft coup’ attempt involving secular rightwing ideologues and Hindu nationalists.Exploiting the fears of a traumatized nation and a government caught sleeping at the wheel, a core group of rightwing ideologues within India’s military, intelligence and political elite are trying to overthrow Manmohan Singh’s government. The plan apparently is to help the rise of rightwing elements in power and firmly push India in a confrontation with Pakistan and some other countries in the region.

 

The objective of this core group is to see India emerge as a superpower closely allied with the United States. They are excited about American plans for India as a regional policeman and have no problem in confronting China and Pakistan to achieve this status. They think time is slipping and they don’t want a hesitant political leadership in their way. Already the instability in the wake of Mumbai attacks is being exploited to start a war with Pakistan. The fact that this will also help U.S. military that is facing a tough time in Afghanistan appears to be more than just a coincidence.

 

In the very first hours of the Mumbai attack, the unknown terrorists were able to achieve a singular feat: the targeted murder of Hemant Karkare, the chief antiterrorism officer in the Indian police. The man was responsible for exposing the secret links between the Indian military and Hindu terror groups. His investigation resulted in uncovering the involvement of three Indian military intelligence officers in terrorist acts that were blamed on Muslim groups. At the time of his murder, Karkare was pursuing leads that were supposed to uncover the depth of the nexus between the Indian military and the sudden rise of well armed and well financed Hindu terrorism groups with their wide network of militant training camps across India.

 

Curiously, a CCTV camera has caught on tape one of the unknown terrorists when he arrived with his group at their first target: a train station. The man, dressed in a jeans and a black T-shirt and carrying a machine gun [see picture below], is wearing an orange-colored wrist band very common among religious Hindus. As a comparison, a recent picture of a Hindu militant activist taken during an event this year is shown to the right where the militant is wearing a similar band.




An aggressive advertisement campaign has already begun across India urging a scared population to rise against the government.

 

On Friday, front-page advertisements appeared in several newspapers in Delhi showing blood splattered against a black background and the slogan “Brutal Terror Strikes At Will” in bold capital letters. The ads signed off with a simple message: “Fight Terror. Vote B.J.P.”

 

The Indian, the Pakistani and the international media has not woken up yet to this ‘soft coup’ taking place in New Delhi. Some observers and journalists are beginning to catch its first signs. This is how a New York Times reporter, Somini Sengupta, has characterized it today:

“Mr. Singh’s government had lately hit back at the Bharatiya Janata Party with evidence that its supporters, belonging to a range of radical Hindu organizations, had … been implicated in terrorist attacks. Indeed, in a bizarre twist, the head of the police antiterrorism unit, Hemant Karkare, killed in the Mumbai strikes, had been in the midst of a high-profile investigation of a suspected Hindu terrorist cell. Mr. Karkare’s inquiry had netted nine suspects in connection with a bombing in September of a Muslim-majority area in Malegaon, a small town not far from Mumbai. “

 

Evidence is emerging that Karkare knew he was facing the prospect of a violent death because of the investigation he was pursuing. What Karkare probably didn’t know is that his elimination would come in such a perfectly executed operation.Only hours before Karkare’s violent death, his close friend, retired Colonel Rahul Gowardhan, received an envelope. Karkare called him to say he was sending him a confidential letter. This is how Times of India has reported the story:

 

Just some hours before that, Karkare had sent a letter to him in an envelop which had some “personal” content. “Hemant had called me up on Wednesday,” said Gowardhan, a top official with MSEDCL. “As I was in a meeting, we decided to postpone the talk. He hung up saying he would be sending me an envelope. When I wanted to know the content, he told me to just read the letter that’s inside it. I returned home and read it. I cannot share the content of the letter with anyone,” said Gowardhan.

 

The highly sophisticated nature of the attack in Mumbai, lasting for almost 60 hours, diminishes the chances of a foreign invasion and increases the possibility that influential elements in Indian intelligence and Hindu militant organizations might have helped orchestrate this incident, pretty much like they did in the Sept. 29 Malegaon attack, in which they tried to simulate a Muslim terrorist group. In that attack, in which three Indian military intelligence officers have been arrested, the objective was to provoke a Muslim backlash that could justify a massive state crackdown against minorities.

 

Observers are already seeing how the hawks within the Indian establishment and Hindu militant organizations have seized the initiative from a paralyzed government. The Indian army and intelligence are already penetrated. Now the real culprits are channeling the fears of a traumatized people toward Pakistan.India is on the same path today that the Bush administration hawks took the American nation on after 9/11. But this time, patriotic Indians have the benefit of hindsight. They should stop the secular warmongers and Hindu militants from hijacking their country. The future of the entire region depends on it.

Did any of you guys see the news item referred to in bold portion?

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I dont know what report he is talking about.

There have been reports that Karkare has received death threats during the Malegaon blasts investigation. He admitted as much in a live interview with CNN IBN. But he just smiled it off ..said these are usual whenever there is any major investigation and will not hinder him from taking the case to its logical conclusion.

He had also approached RR Patil asking to be transferred out - not because of the death threats but because of the nonsensical allegations made against him by the VHP, BJP and some other parties - about being politically motivated and a stooge of the Congress, splitting the army etc.

[cricinfo]

Here is the TOI article


Close friend received secret letter from Hemant Karkare

28 Nov 2008, 0256 hrs IST, TNN

NAGPUR: Col (retired) Rahul Gowardhan was travelling in a train to Nagpur from Mumbai when he got a call from his wife Anuradha informing about the 
death Karkare.

Just some hours before that, Karkare had sent a letter to him in an envelop which had some “personal” content. “Hemant had called me up on Wednesday,” said Gowardhan, a top official with MSEDCL.

“As I was in a meeting, we decided to postpone the talk. He hung up saying he would be sending me an envelope. When I wanted to know the content, he told me to just read the letter that’s inside it. I returned home and read it. I cannot share the content of the letter with anyone,” said Gowardhan.

In the night, Gowardhan got the news of his friend’s death. “I wanted to return to Mumbai immediately but I had to drop my mother in Nagpur. Now I’m going back by evening flight to attend Hemant’s funeral.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com//nagpur/close_friend_received_secret_letter_from_hemant_karkare/articleshow/3767156.cms?

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Here is the TOI article


Close friend received secret letter from Hemant Karkare

28 Nov 2008, 0256 hrs IST, TNN

NAGPUR: Col (retired) Rahul Gowardhan was travelling in a train to Nagpur from Mumbai when he got a call from his wife Anuradha informing about the 
death Karkare.

Just some hours before that, Karkare had sent a letter to him in an envelop which had some “personal” content. “Hemant had called me up on Wednesday,” said Gowardhan, a top official with MSEDCL.

“As I was in a meeting, we decided to postpone the talk. He hung up saying he would be sending me an envelope. When I wanted to know the content, he told me to just read the letter that’s inside it. I returned home and read it. I cannot share the content of the letter with anyone,” said Gowardhan.

In the night, Gowardhan got the news of his friend’s death. “I wanted to return to Mumbai immediately but I had to drop my mother in Nagpur. Now I’m going back by evening flight to attend Hemant’s funeral.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com//nagpur/close_friend_received_secret_letter_from_hemant_karkare/articleshow/3767156.cms?

Thanks. It is surprising how little attention this has received. Given the circumstances, I hope the authorities look into this. It might be an entirely personal issue (which then should be left alone), or a fabricated story (in which case the concerned people should be punished), or material connected to his investigations (which should not be lost).

[keep-it-cool]

If it is material connected to the investigation, wouldnt it be irresponsible to share it with a friend?

I suspect it could be something personal or, at worst, a letter talking about his anguish at the kind of politicking that was going on or any threats that his family members may have received.