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[justforkix]

Effortless DRAW in the 11th GAME - Kramnik played like a club player in the last few moves  : 6.5-4.5


WOOOOOHOOOOOOOO

 
 
 

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[keep-it-cool]

This is BIG!

Clearly the undisputed world champion now, putting an end to all complications and counterclaims. He had already won this in tournament format and in the faster versions ... and now in the classical match format.

Easily a contender for India's greatest sporting moment.

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I think Anand rarely gets his due as one of the greatest sportsperson.

[vincent]

See my thread on "Test Matches, T20 and Chess" 

[keep-it-cool]

He is, now.

Cricket is off air on all television channels ... Its chess everywhere ... Interviews with his dad, mom, experts and also with N Srinivasan (who heads the All India Chess Federation).

For me, he is easily India's best sportsperson.

[dextrous]

He is, now.

Cricket is off air on all television channels ... Its chess everywhere ... Interviews with his dad, mom, experts and also with N Srinivasan (who heads the All India Chess Federation).

For me, he is easily India's best sportsperson.

Hmm, there are a handful of people in contention for that if we look at the last twenty years--(in no order) Paes, Pillay, Anand, Sethi, Sachin.

[justforkix]

He is, now.

Cricket is off air on all television channels ... Its chess everywhere ... Interviews with his dad, mom, experts and also with N Srinivasan (who heads the All India Chess Federation).

For me, he is easily India's best sportsperson.

Oh, definitely, by quite a distance at that !!!!

But it is pathetic that none of the games were shown live on any channel, not even today's game when he was on the brink of gecoming the undisputed world champion

[WicketView]

 

 


 

[keep-it-cool]

Actually if I am not mistaken,DD telecast the Anand-Kasparov match live. But the net is better as there are several GMs giving commentary out there and a lot of sites allow you to play the moves out plus also play out some variations while you wait for the next move

[keep-it-cool]

Oh he easily beats Sachin, Paes and Pillay by quite a distance in my view. Sethi comes close, I guess, but I would still give it to Anand. He is not only the World Champion, he has won it across all formats, is No 1 in the world and, most importantly, is the pioneer in the sport in this country. Moreover, he has maintained his high standards across a long phase which included the evolution of computers in chess which has changed the way the game is being played.

[vincent]

Oh he easily beats Sachin, Paes and Pillay by quite a distance in my view. Sethi comes close, I guess, but I would still give it to Anand. He is not only the World Champion, he has won it across all formats, is No 1 in the world and, most importantly, is the pioneer in the sport in this country. Moreover, he has maintained his high standards across a long phase which included the evolution of computers in chess which has changed the way the game is being played.

And may I add, the Country that invented the game, the only one in the world games?

[OldPal]

     to Anand.

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Oh he easily beats Sachin, Paes and Pillay by quite a distance in my view. Sethi comes close, I guess, but I would still give it to Anand. He is not only the World Champion, he has won it across all formats, is No 1 in the world and, most importantly, is the pioneer in the sport in this country. Moreover, he has maintained his high standards across a long phase which included the evolution of computers in chess which has changed the way the game is being played.

And may I add, the Country that invented the game, the only one in the world games?

pakis too claim chess and in fact they probably have a point..but in general chess did originate in indian culture.

[kban1]

Vishwanathan Anand

 

[RicePlateReddy]

pakis too claim chess and in fact they probably have a point..but in general chess did originate in indian culture.

The only chess game in Pakistan is played between the army chief and the president, and the pawns all carry guns.

[broadbat]

Played and won like a true Champion.
 

[justforkix]

First and Only Player to be world champion in all formats 

[broadbat]

That would be Test,ODI and T20.

[kban1]

Bring on Kasparov says Anand

Vijay Tagore

Friday, October 31, 2008  03:00 IST     

 
Vishy Anand is surprised that it turned out to be a one-sided world championship. Minutes after drawing the 11th game with Vladimir Kramnik, thus retaining the title, the Indian Grandmaster spoke to Vijay Tagore. Excerpts:

What did you do right?
I took some risks. It was a gamble which paid off handsomely. I knew he would work on my 1. e4 (King pawn opening). I decided to go for 1.d4 (Queen pawn). All his preparation on e4 was wasted. I don’t think it was a surprise for him because he prepared for d4 too. But I could still put some pressure on him with Queen pawn. The other thing was I prepared some sharp and interesting stuff with black pieces. It was a fantastic concept. I could post two convincing wins with blacks. It paid off big time.

Were you surprised that the match was one-sided?
Yes. Kramnik never lost three games in a row.

How much of an effort was it to win the world title?
It drains you. It took a lot of effort and energy. I can tell you the last three days have been very intense. I could have finished the game three days before. In fact, the last half point took me as much effort as the first six points. I had to think of the 10th game defeat one whole day. It was a slow boil. It was a huge relief when Kramnik offered me the draw today.

Did the 10th game loss remind you off Sanghinagar?
Not really though I should admit that at some stage it certainly crossed my mind. The things were different. I had a three-point advantage and I was sitting pretty.

Which was the most satisfying win?
I won the 3rd and 5th games with black pieces. Even my win on 6th game with whites was very satisfying but nothing can compare the satisfaction of today’s draw. It was the most satisfying moment.

What was the turning point?
The three-point lead has to be the turning point. To be more precise, I think the second win (on Game 5) was a kind of turning point.

You have out-prepared Kramnik? Right?
I think so. It took us a lot of preparation. We were able to control the direction of the match. Particularly in the first half. In the second half, he definitely caught up and put a lot of pressure.

Kramnik said a few nasty things before the match. Did that fire you?
Well, you can imagine what all stuff I would have had to listen to if I had lost the match. When you see such things, it has to give some extra motivation. I’m happy that I will not have to listen to such things any more.

You lost badly in Bilbao just before Bonn match. Did you hold back your cards there?
It was disappointing but I knew I would not be able to focus completely. I was not holding back my cards but I was not able to play the 1.d4 move. In the scheme of things I could put aside that disappointment.

You think you have answered your critics, particularly from Russia, who say you can’t win matches?
Yeah. I think I will not have to listen to such stuff any more. This result will take care of that.

You have won in all formats — rapid, knockout and match. You agree that there is no player more complete than you?
I personally see no fault with any format. But having won in all formats, I can put forth the claim to be the complete player.

Are you thinking of Topalov or Kamsky?
Right now I’m only thinking of celebrating.

Will you demand for a rematch privilege which has been given to past champions?
I don’t think I will do that ever. But I have not really thought about it. At the moment I’m too exhausted to think of such things.

Why were you both dope-tested after the match?
It was not necessary but it was a rule set up by the Fide and we have to follow the regulation. It was some kind of electronic testing.

Who do you give credit to for this win?
A lot of people. My family and especially my wife Aruna who has been working like crazy. The whole year she has been doing all the negotiations and dealings. Then my team — Peter Heine Nielsen, Rustam Kasimdzhanov, Radoslaw Wojtaszek, Surya Shekhar Ganguly. These guys had done a fantastic job. While I was sleeping, these guys were working till 6 and 7 in the morning.

You have beaten everyone except Kasparov. Regrets?
It will be great if he changes his mind and comes out of the retirement. I will definitely give it a shot. It will be very exciting to play him again.

Are you too exhausted for the Olympiad?
I’m definitely not playing the Olympiad. After all this work I’m too tired and exhausted.

You have won everything. Is the fire still left in the belly?
It is still there. But I will think about it later. Right now my mind is working on other things.

Finally, what’s Vishy Anand’s legacy to chess?
I don’t know. I’m not thinking about that yet. Today we’re in a celebratory mood.


http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1202175&pageid=0

[Aloo Kashmiri Ul Haq]

How is he India's greatest "sportsman" when Chess is not even a sport?

[keep-it-cool]

How is he India's greatest "sportsman" when Chess is not even a sport?

Chess is a recognized sport by the International Olympic Committee[3] with FIDE being the recognized International Sports Federation for chess since June 1999.[3][4][5][6] As a member of the International Olympic Committee, FIDE adheres to its rules, including controversially having doping tests.[7][8][9][10] The prospects of chess becoming an Olympic sporting event at some future date remain unclear. The naming of FIDE's team championship as the "Chess Olympiad" is of historical origin and implies no connection between this event and the Olympic Games.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess_Olympiad

[Aloo Kashmiri Ul Haq]

How is he India's greatest "sportsman" when Chess is not even a sport?

Chess is a recognized sport by the International Olympic Committee[3] with FIDE being the recognized International Sports Federation for chess since June 1999.[3][4][5][6] As a member of the International Olympic Committee, FIDE adheres to its rules, including controversially having doping tests.[7][8][9][10] The prospects of chess becoming an Olympic sporting event at some future date remain unclear. The naming of FIDE's team championship as the "Chess Olympiad" is of historical origin and implies no connection between this event and the Olympic Games.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chess_Olympiad

Having played chess professionally for over 5 years, I am well aware of the above. But, seriously how do you consider chess to be a sport? Is Sudoku also a sport then? What about Math puzzles?

[justforkix]

Having played chess professionally for over 5 years, I am well aware of the above. But, seriously how do you consider chess to be a sport? Is Sudoku also a sport then? What about Math puzzles?

So, what is your definition of a sport ?

[Aloo Kashmiri Ul Haq]

Having played chess professionally for over 5 years, I am well aware of the above. But, seriously how do you consider chess to be a sport? Is Sudoku also a sport then? What about Math puzzles?

So, what is your definition of a sport ?

Something physical, not mental.

[justforkix]

Having played chess professionally for over 5 years, I am well aware of the above. But, seriously how do you consider chess to be a sport? Is Sudoku also a sport then? What about Math puzzles?

So, what is your definition of a sport ?

Something physical, not mental.

Hmmm, but I don't think your definition is a universally accepted one....

[inoc]

Having played chess professionally for over 5 years, I am well aware of the above. But, seriously how do you consider chess to be a sport? Is Sudoku also a sport then? What about Math puzzles?

So, what is your definition of a sport ?

Something physical, not mental.

Hmmm, but I don't think your definition is a universally accepted one....

I agree with aloo chess is a game not a sport.

the mere definition of sport begins with physical activity, chess, bridge etc dont belong to the correct definition of sport but they are games and do not belong to the overall concept of sport dealing with physical activity.

three cheers to anand nevertheless

[vincent]

Having played chess professionally for over 5 years, I am well aware of the above. But, seriously how do you consider chess to be a sport? Is Sudoku also a sport then? What about Math puzzles?

So, what is your definition of a sport ?

Something physical, not mental.

Really? In this case People like Muhammad Ali ,Federer, Sampras, Pele, Sachin, Dravid, Armstrong would not achieved what they have achieved. One needs to be physically fit to practice a sport like Chess which requires no doubt more mental work. The same way you need to be mentally fit to be at the top of a sport that requires more physical activity. It is a question of proportion in terms of involvement in the sport. Have you seen a physically sick person winning a chess match, even a frienly one at that? There are plenty of instances where a mental problem can breakdown a "physical" athlete. Just ask Justine Henin, who could still have been Number 1 if she had not "retired".

[Aloo Kashmiri Ul Haq]

Having played chess professionally for over 5 years, I am well aware of the above. But, seriously how do you consider chess to be a sport? Is Sudoku also a sport then? What about Math puzzles?

So, what is your definition of a sport ?

Something physical, not mental.

Really? In this case People like Muhammad Ali ,Federer, Sampras, Pele, Sachin, Dravid, Armstrong would not achieved what they have achieved. One needs to be physically fit to practice a sport like Chess which requires no doubt more mental work. The same way you need to be mentally fit to be at the top of a sport that requires more physical activity. It is a question of proportion in terms of involvement in the sport. Have you seen a physically sick person winning a chess match, even a frienly one at that? There are plenty of instances where a mental problem can breakdown a "physical" athlete. Just ask Justine Henin, who could still have been Number 1 if she had not "retired".

alright perhaps i should elaborate, my crude definition of sport - "physical, not JUST mental". And I have seen plenty of "physically unfit players" excel at chess. Not sure, If I have a Mohammad Ali win a match with a fractured arm or Dravid score a century with some grave injury.

Also, by your definition a Math exam would also be a sport.

[vincent]

Applied Maths and Physics are the foundation for any excellence in Sports and not sports in their own rights. After all, Chess was based on the power of binary arithmetics (which was not known at that time, and hence we may have this dilemma about chicken and egg of this invention). Golf or the latest Swimming suits used in Beijing or even reverse swing in cricket are derived from the knowledge of aerodynamics. And even in Boxing, speed and strategy of motion are based on the knowledge of physics. Ali was the first one to use it for his advantage over raw power (of Liston). His broken arm is not a fair comparison. We are talking about the amount of intellect we need in any physically biased sport and vice versa like Chess or even Bridge).

[dextrous]

Applied Maths and Physics are the foundation for any excellence in Sports and not sports in their own rights. After all, Chess was based on the power of binary arithmetics (which was not known at that time, and hence we may have this dilemma about chicken and egg of this invention). Golf or the latest Swimming suits used in Beijing or even reverse swing in cricket are derived from the knowledge of aerodynamics. And even in Boxing, speed and strategy of motion are based on the knowledge of physics. Ali was the first one to use it for his advantage over raw power (of Liston). His broken arm is not a fair comparison. We are talking about the amount of intellect we need in any physically biased sport and vice versa like Chess or even Bridge).

When I think of sport, I think of physical ability (mixed in with thinking, temprament, etc.)
but board games primarily require mind with some need of physical ability to sustain the mind. Ali-Liston analogy does not work because Ali himself was no paperweight.

Chess, I'm partial toward because I play it and because it does require supreme mental abilities, and thus I do not think much if it is mentioned as a "sport." However, in many ways that would mean also calling mah jong, carrom, or any ol' board game a sport.

[WicketView]

Applied Maths and Physics are the foundation for any excellence in Sports and not sports in their own rights. After all, Chess was based on the power of binary arithmetics (which was not known at that time, and hence we may have this dilemma about chicken and egg of this invention). Golf or the latest Swimming suits used in Beijing or even reverse swing in cricket are derived from the knowledge of aerodynamics. And even in Boxing, speed and strategy of motion are based on the knowledge of physics. Ali was the first one to use it for his advantage over raw power (of Liston). His broken arm is not a fair comparison. We are talking about the amount of intellect we need in any physically biased sport and vice versa like Chess or even Bridge).

Not sure what you mean here, particularly about reverse swing. While, of course, you can understand/explain the phenomenon of reverse swing by aerodynamics, this played little part in its initial development. I believe, it was found on the field, just as many other things have been discovered by accident. In fact, if memory serves correct, Pakistani bowlers were accused of ball tampering because the other cricket playing nations (notably England)  believed this was not possible with an untampered ball ... and that theory had to be thrown out of the window, when aerodynamic calculations in fact revealed that this would happen.

I am not aware of the relation between chess and binary arithmetic, and did not understand the comment. Sounds interesting. I would appreciate if you would elaborate. 

[pipsqueak]

Applied Maths and Physics are the foundation for any excellence in Sports and not sports in their own rights. After all, Chess was based on the power of binary arithmetics (which was not known at that time, and hence we may have this dilemma about chicken and egg of this invention). Golf or the latest Swimming suits used in Beijing or even reverse swing in cricket are derived from the knowledge of aerodynamics. And even in Boxing, speed and strategy of motion are based on the knowledge of physics. Ali was the first one to use it for his advantage over raw power (of Liston). His broken arm is not a fair comparison. We are talking about the amount of intellect we need in any physically biased sport and vice versa like Chess or even Bridge).

Not sure what you mean here, particularly about reverse swing. While, of course, you can understand/explain the phenomenon of reverse swing by aerodynamics, this played little part in its initial development. I believe, it was found on the field, just as many other things have been discovered by accident. In fact, if memory serves correct, Pakistani bowlers were accused of ball tampering because the other cricket playing nations (notably England)  believed this was not possible with an untampered ball ... and that theory had to be thrown out of the window, when aerodynamic calculations in fact revealed that this would happen.

I am not aware of the relation between chess and binary arithmetic, and did not understand the comment. Sounds interesting. I would appreciate if you would elaborate.

i am curious too - the only 'math' relation i know is the rice grain story where the man asks for one grain of rice for the first square, 2 for the second, 4 for the htird and so on.

[keep-it-cool]

Interesting discussion.

We can get as technical as we want ...as far as I am concerned, the IOC has recognised it as a sport - that is good enough for me. Moreover, the indian government has also bestowed the Khel Ratna (highest award for sporting achievement) on Vishy. So, I will continue to rate Vishy as India's best sportsperson till date.

[WicketView]

Applied Maths and Physics are the foundation for any excellence in Sports and not sports in their own rights. After all, Chess was based on the power of binary arithmetics (which was not known at that time, and hence we may have this dilemma about chicken and egg of this invention). Golf or the latest Swimming suits used in Beijing or even reverse swing in cricket are derived from the knowledge of aerodynamics. And even in Boxing, speed and strategy of motion are based on the knowledge of physics. Ali was the first one to use it for his advantage over raw power (of Liston). His broken arm is not a fair comparison. We are talking about the amount of intellect we need in any physically biased sport and vice versa like Chess or even Bridge).

Not sure what you mean here, particularly about reverse swing. While, of course, you can understand/explain the phenomenon of reverse swing by aerodynamics, this played little part in its initial development. I believe, it was found on the field, just as many other things have been discovered by accident. In fact, if memory serves correct, Pakistani bowlers were accused of ball tampering because the other cricket playing nations (notably England)  believed this was not possible with an untampered ball ... and that theory had to be thrown out of the window, when aerodynamic calculations in fact revealed that this would happen.

I am not aware of the relation between chess and binary arithmetic, and did not understand the comment. Sounds interesting. I would appreciate if you would elaborate.

i am curious too - the only 'math' relation i know is the rice grain story where the man asks for one grain of rice for the first square, 2 for the second, 4 for the htird and so on.

Is this a story which illustrates  geometric progression upto 64 steps? Then there is no real correlation with the rules of the game, right?

[pipsqueak]

Applied Maths and Physics are the foundation for any excellence in Sports and not sports in their own rights. After all, Chess was based on the power of binary arithmetics (which was not known at that time, and hence we may have this dilemma about chicken and egg of this invention). Golf or the latest Swimming suits used in Beijing or even reverse swing in cricket are derived from the knowledge of aerodynamics. And even in Boxing, speed and strategy of motion are based on the knowledge of physics. Ali was the first one to use it for his advantage over raw power (of Liston). His broken arm is not a fair comparison. We are talking about the amount of intellect we need in any physically biased sport and vice versa like Chess or even Bridge).

Not sure what you mean here, particularly about reverse swing. While, of course, you can understand/explain the phenomenon of reverse swing by aerodynamics, this played little part in its initial development. I believe, it was found on the field, just as many other things have been discovered by accident. In fact, if memory serves correct, Pakistani bowlers were accused of ball tampering because the other cricket playing nations (notably England)  believed this was not possible with an untampered ball ... and that theory had to be thrown out of the window, when aerodynamic calculations in fact revealed that this would happen.

I am not aware of the relation between chess and binary arithmetic, and did not understand the comment. Sounds interesting. I would appreciate if you would elaborate.

i am curious too - the only 'math' relation i know is the rice grain story where the man asks for one grain of rice for the first square, 2 for the second, 4 for the htird and so on.

Is this a story which illustrates  geometric progression upto 64 steps? Then there is no real correlation with the rules of the game, right?

right - this is the only math tale i know associated with chess - it has nothing to do with the rules.

[vincent]

Right. We are not talking about rules, but about the power and the probable moves of the game. Whoever who invented it had the power of binary arithmetic (power of two) in mind. The rules of chess were developped later to make the game more interesting and to restict the moves - in millions rather than zillions.

Just to refresh our memory on that legend, true or otherwise:

The number of grains on the 64th square is 2^63 (2 to the 63rd power). The total number of grains on the board is 2^64-1. These facts can be easily deduced by considering just the first few squares, and generalizing your findings. A proof can be done using mathematical induction, or geometric series, or binary arithmetic. 2^64-1=18,446,744,073,709,551,615. That happens to be much more wheat than exists in the whole world. In fact, that amount of wheat would probably just fit in a building 25 miles long, 25 miles wide, and 1000 feet tall.


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A similar puzzle is this: Take one sheet out of your newspaper, and fold it in half, then fold it in half again, and again, and again. Can you fold it 30 times? Pretending that you can (you probably can't fold it more than eight times), how thick would it be after 30 times? Assume the paper is 1/500" thick or 1/200 cm. thick.

The newspaper, folded 30 times is about 34 mi. (54 km.) thick. A few more folds and you could reach the moon!

[CLR James]

A similar puzzle is this: Take one sheet out of your newspaper, and fold it in half, then fold it in half again, and again, and again. Can you fold it 30 times? Pretending that you can (you probably can't fold it more than eight times), how thick would it be after 30 times? Assume the paper is 1/500" thick or 1/200 cm. thick.

The newspaper, folded 30 times is about 34 mi. (54 km.) thick. A few more folds and you could reach the moon!

It would be going to the moon, but only on paper..

[LosingNow]

Agree with inoc.. chess, contract bridge, ludo, snakes and ladders, chinese checkers, risk, monopoly etc are games not sports.

There are a few who are ahead of Anand .. Anil Kumble, Abhinav Bindra