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[inoc]

c.h.o.d  is what i typed which was beeped for understandable reasons.

You need to spell it right .. Chhod !!

  - these north indians never learn 

have you considered a typo?

[pipsqueak]

c.h.o.d  is what i typed which was beeped for understandable reasons.

You need to spell it right .. Chhod !!

  - these north indians never learn 

what's with the double "h"?  when does one use two?

[inoc]

c.h.o.d  is what i typed which was beeped for understandable reasons.

You need to spell it right .. Chhod !!

  - these north indians never learn 

what's with the double "h"?  when does one use two?

i dont know whether you know the alphabet but it is :

ch as in charminar

chh as in chhattisgarh

[pipsqueak]

i dont know whether you know the alphabet but it is :

ch as in charminar

chh as in chhattisgarh

'ch' is the first letter in line 3 and "chh" the second?

[inoc]

I have just been acknowledged as the sole sustainer of the DG by the gangulian in chief himself.

talk about delusions of grandeur...

aap jaam ke pabandhi mein na hote to paagal kahlaatey

Hum hum hain aur tum tum ho.

Everyone knows that I am a better superior DGian than you are. Why are you so jealous. Just bask in my glow and feel blessed.

superiority complex... 

bondhu ab to yeh bekaar ki baatein beep do.

doesnt bother me if you carry on.

beep do? why this beeping?

and its only a complex if it is not true.

 

c.h.o.d  is what i typed which was beeped for understandable reasons.

......and sorry to be a spoilsport it is a complex even if it is true in YOUR mind, that is the definition of the term complex - an erroneous belief on your part.

But I just proved this is a DG truth and acknowledged by your boss himself (the chief gangulian).  So its not just in MY mind (and you are allowed to address me in lower case .... it is only God that needs the 'G' capitalization. I dont have God complex (even though I may appear like God to you)

this is getting better and better. upper case was for emphasis (not to address you as a superior being) your proof is in your head - the complex, if others approve of your proof then the we can start talking about you not having the complex.
never seen one never will do (others agreeing to your statement above).

dont know whether you have a god complex or not but you certainly have a complex, get rid of it.

Now this is really getting serious. You spelled 'God' with a lower case 'g' but referred to me in caps. Bondhu, it is not healthy to consider me greater than God. Humein bhi paap chadhaoge!

By the way who do you think among the two of us is the bigger Vella (free)?

chhodo I am not here to teach you english.

what is a Vella?

Vella = totally free ... as in 'kitna vella aadmi hai ... saara time DG par time barbaad karta rehta hai' ... now I come to think of it, it maybe a punjabi word.

actually free nahin hoon. junior log kaam kar rahein hain aur main advice de rahaa hoon. there are some perks of seniority. jaagna par rahaa hai to DG main time pass kar raha hoon befazool baat karke.

[inoc]

i dont know whether you know the alphabet but it is :

ch as in charminar

chh as in chhattisgarh

'ch' is the first letter in line 3 and "chh" the second?

correct.

[dextrous]

i dont know whether you know the alphabet but it is :

ch as in charminar

chh as in chhattisgarh

'ch' is the first letter in line 3 and "chh" the second?

2nd letter in line 3 is how you'd say "chola" like the food or choley-bhatore
whereas 1st letter would be used for chuha or rat

[pipsqueak]

i dont know whether you know the alphabet but it is :

ch as in charminar

chh as in chhattisgarh

'ch' is the first letter in line 3 and "chh" the second?

2nd letter in line 3 is how you'd say "chola" like the food or choley-bhatore
whereas 1st letter would be used for chuha or rat

if so, shdn't it be "chhole" ?

[dextrous]

i dont know whether you know the alphabet but it is :

ch as in charminar

chh as in chhattisgarh

'ch' is the first letter in line 3 and "chh" the second?

2nd letter in line 3 is how you'd say "chola" like the food or choley-bhatore
whereas 1st letter would be used for chuha or rat

if so, shdn't it be "chhole" ?

ya, phonetically

[justforkix]

i dont know whether you know the alphabet but it is :

ch as in charminar

chh as in chhattisgarh

'ch' is the first letter in line 3 and "chh" the second?

2nd letter in line 3 is how you'd say "chola" like the food or choley-bhatore
whereas 1st letter would be used for chuha or rat

if so, shdn't it be "chhole" ?

ya, phonetically

Precisely. Simialrly, tara should be thara, lata should latha etc.... which is why I said these north indians never learn 

[pipsqueak]

Precisely. Simialrly, tara should be thara, lata should latha etc.... which is why I said these north indians never learn 

it would depend on what "t" is used, right? the first or the second?

[justforkix]

Precisely. Simialrly, tara should be thara, lata should latha etc.... which is why I said these north indians never learn 

it would depend on what "t" is used, right? the first or the second?

  - this is 1st t or 2nd t.

thara meaning stars in hindi is "tha" (5th line, 1st letter) + "ra".

If spelt as tara it becomes "ta" (4th line, 1st row) + "ra"

 

[LosingNow]

Precisely. Simialrly, tara should be thara, lata should latha etc.... which is why I said these north indians never learn 

it would depend on what "t" is used, right? the first or the second?

we had a huge debate on this earlier when Toney was there..

The two approaches are
N Indian : tamatar(tomato), talwar(sword), thoda(some) . Issue: ambiguity between tamatar and talwar.. which in the case of most N indians writing Hindi in English script for Hindi speaking audience is a non-issue.. they can figure it out from the context
S Indian : tamatar, thalwar, thhoda. Issue : the extra h in thalwar and thhoda is superfluous for Hindi speakers. most s indian languages like to stick to this distinction and hence like to spell it out. 

Frankly, I have not seen the sword spelt as thalwar by anyone in North...but the "trained in Hindi" gurus in S India insist that it should be spelt that way

[LosingNow]

BTW, imagine Bhabhi (sister-in-law) being spelt as Bhhabhhi .. silly!!

[dextrous]

Precisely. Simialrly, tara should be thara, lata should latha etc.... which is why I said these north indians never learn 

it would depend on what "t" is used, right? the first or the second?

we had a huge debate on this earlier when Toney was there..

The two approaches are
N Indian : tamatar(tomato), talwar(sword), thoda(some) . Issue: ambiguity between tamatar and talwar.. which in the case of most N indians writing Hindi in English script for Hindi speaking audience is a non-issue.. they can figure it out from the context
S Indian : tamatar, thalwar, thhoda. Issue : the extra h in thalwar and thhoda is superfluous for Hindi speakers. most s indian languages like to stick to this distinction and hence like to spell it out. 

Frankly, I have not seen the sword spelt as thalwar by anyone in North...but the "trained in Hindi" gurus in S India insist that it should be spelt that way

but why...there;s no h sound in talvar

[justforkix]

but why...there;s no h sound in talvar

HUH  - of course there is !! spoken as : thalvaar

[LosingNow]

Precisely. Simialrly, tara should be thara, lata should latha etc.... which is why I said these north indians never learn 

it would depend on what "t" is used, right? the first or the second?

we had a huge debate on this earlier when Toney was there..

The two approaches are
N Indian : tamatar(tomato), talwar(sword), thoda(some) . Issue: ambiguity between tamatar and talwar.. which in the case of most N indians writing Hindi in English script for Hindi speaking audience is a non-issue.. they can figure it out from the context
S Indian : tamatar, thalwar, thhoda. Issue : the extra h in thalwar and thhoda is superfluous for Hindi speakers. most s indian languages like to stick to this distinction and hence like to spell it out. 

Frankly, I have not seen the sword spelt as thalwar by anyone in North...but the "trained in Hindi" gurus in S India insist that it should be spelt that way

but why...there;s no h sound in talvar

Eggjacktly..
..but to these Southies th is t of talwar.. the h is supposed to soften the t of tamatar and make it a t of talwar!!

[LosingNow]

but why...there;s no h sound in talvar

HUH  - of course there is !! spoken as : thalvaar

in chennai

[justforkix]

The two approaches are
N Indian : tamatar(tomato), talwar(sword), thoda(some) . Issue: ambiguity between tamatar and talwar.. which in the case of most N indians writing Hindi in English script for Hindi speaking audience is a non-issue.. they can figure it out from the context
S Indian : tamatar, thalwar, thhoda. Issue : the extra h in thalwar and thhoda is superfluous for Hindi speakers. most s indian languages like to stick to this distinction and hence like to spell it out. 

Frankly, I have not seen the sword spelt as thalwar by anyone in North...but the "trained in Hindi" gurus in S India insist that it should be spelt that way

but the difference is very common in names: A south indian girl will be latha/geetha/preethi, while north indian girl will be lata/geeta/preeti 

[Libran]

but why...there;s no h sound in talvar

HUH  - of course there is !! spoken as : thalvaar

What about thalaivar ?

[RicePlateReddy]

Can someone please tell me how you pronounce the:

* 5th letter on the 2nd line
* 5th letter on the 3rd line <-- I think this is "nya"
* 6th and 7th letters on the 4th line

[justforkix]

but why...there;s no h sound in talvar

HUH  - of course there is !! spoken as : thalvaar

in chennai

of course not !! there is a h sound for anyone who knows and speaks hindi

[teamindia]

Precisely. Simialrly, tara should be thara, lata should latha etc.... which is why I said these north indians never learn 

it would depend on what "t" is used, right? the first or the second?

  - this is 1st t or 2nd t.

thara meaning stars in hindi is "tha" (5th line, 1st letter) + "ra".

If spelt as tara it becomes "ta" (4th line, 1st row) + "ra"

 

NO Sir,

Tara - तारा
Thara - थारा
or it could also be
Tara - टारा
Thara - ठारा


The north indians know the difference.

[LosingNow]

The two approaches are
N Indian : tamatar(tomato), talwar(sword), thoda(some) . Issue: ambiguity between tamatar and talwar.. which in the case of most N indians writing Hindi in English script for Hindi speaking audience is a non-issue.. they can figure it out from the context
S Indian : tamatar, thalwar, thhoda. Issue : the extra h in thalwar and thhoda is superfluous for Hindi speakers. most s indian languages like to stick to this distinction and hence like to spell it out. 

Frankly, I have not seen the sword spelt as thalwar by anyone in North...but the "trained in Hindi" gurus in S India insist that it should be spelt that way

but the difference is very common in names: A south indian girl will be latha/geetha/preethi, while north indian girl will be lata/geeta/preeti 

Correct.. and agree.. because one is the tamil latha and the other is the hindi lata ...written in English

Look .. this debate is silly.. and i had a long one with Toney...

bottomline : there is no "right" way to write these words in English. It comes down to who is writing for whom (using the English script).. if a Hindi writer is writing Hindi words primarily for Hindi "understanding" audience the context makes the tamatar vs talvaar distinction clear. I would be hard pressed to find someone writing Hindi words in English for non-Hindi audience. The common usage is T for tomato as well as t for talvaar..and most Hindi-speaking audience get it.. as you will see in names of Hindi movies that are written in English... it is never "khhoon pasina", it is "khoon pasina"

[teamindia]

but why...there;s no h sound in talvar

HUH  - of course there is !! spoken as : thalvaar

in chennai

of course not !! there is a h sound for anyone who knows and speaks hindi

No. TRy googling Thalvar and Talvar.
Thalvar returns 162 hits whereas Talvar returns 46700 hits.   

[justforkix]

..but to these Southies th is t of talwar.. the h is supposed to soften the t of tamatar and make it a t of talwar!!

HUH 

tamatar uses 4th line, 1st letter, has no h sound.
talwar uses 5th line, 1st letter, has h sound.

[justforkix]

Can someone please tell me how you pronounce the:

* 5th letter on the 2nd line
* 5th letter on the 3rd line <-- I think this is "nya"
* 6th and 7th letters on the 4th line

you are jumping hindi-401 when people are still debating hindi-101 

[pipsqueak]

Precisely. Simialrly, tara should be thara, lata should latha etc.... which is why I said these north indians never learn 

it would depend on what "t" is used, right? the first or the second?

we had a huge debate on this earlier when Toney was there..

The two approaches are
N Indian : tamatar(tomato), talwar(sword), thoda(some) . Issue: ambiguity between tamatar and talwar.. which in the case of most N indians writing Hindi in English script for Hindi speaking audience is a non-issue.. they can figure it out from the context
S Indian : tamatar, thalwar, thhoda. Issue : the extra h in thalwar and thhoda is superfluous for Hindi speakers. most s indian languages like to stick to this distinction and hence like to spell it out. 

Frankly, I have not seen the sword spelt as thalwar by anyone in North...but the "trained in Hindi" gurus in S India insist that it should be spelt that way

ah, now i get it.

i completely agree with the south indian gurus. hindians also mispronounce "zh". 

[RicePlateReddy]

Eggjacktly..
..but to these Southies th is t of talwar.. the h is supposed to soften the t of tamatar and make it a t of talwar!!

If the tongue touches the teeth when pronouncing a t, it is spelled with a "th".
If the tongue only touches the palate when pronouncing the t, it doesn't need an h.

[justforkix]

Precisely. Simialrly, tara should be thara, lata should latha etc.... which is why I said these north indians never learn 

it would depend on what "t" is used, right? the first or the second?

  - this is 1st t or 2nd t.

thara meaning stars in hindi is "tha" (5th line, 1st letter) + "ra".

If spelt as tara it becomes "ta" (4th line, 1st row) + "ra"

 

NO Sir,

Tara - तारा
Thara - थारा
or it could also be
Tara - टारा
Thara - ठारा

The north indians know the difference.

These north indians are crazy 

[teamindia]

..but to these Southies th is t of talwar.. the h is supposed to soften the t of tamatar and make it a t of talwar!!

HUH 

tamatar uses 4th line, 1st letter, has no h sound.
talwar uses 5th line, 1st letter, has h sound.

you also need to learn 2nd letters of the 4th and 5th line to know the difference.

[LosingNow]

Can someone please tell me how you pronounce the:

* 5th letter on the 2nd line
* 5th letter on the 3rd line <-- I think this is "nya"
* 6th and 7th letters on the 4th line

good ones
ka kha ga gha ana (the n is said in a peculiar way that i cant spell)
ch chha ja jha inya (the same n sound in the line above)
the 6th and 7th letters are half consonants and cannot be written in isolation.. chaddi uses the the 6th letter, buddhi (old woman) uses the 7th letter.
Hope this helps

[pipsqueak]

The two approaches are
N Indian : tamatar(tomato), talwar(sword), thoda(some) . Issue: ambiguity between tamatar and talwar.. which in the case of most N indians writing Hindi in English script for Hindi speaking audience is a non-issue.. they can figure it out from the context
S Indian : tamatar, thalwar, thhoda. Issue : the extra h in thalwar and thhoda is superfluous for Hindi speakers. most s indian languages like to stick to this distinction and hence like to spell it out. 

Frankly, I have not seen the sword spelt as thalwar by anyone in North...but the "trained in Hindi" gurus in S India insist that it should be spelt that way

but the difference is very common in names: A south indian girl will be latha/geetha/preethi, while north indian girl will be lata/geeta/preeti 

Correct.. and agree.. because one is the tamil latha and the other is the hindi lata ...written in English

Look .. this debate is silly.. and i had a long one with Toney...

bottomline : there is no "right" way to write these words in English. It comes down to who is writing for whom (using the English script).. if a Hindi writer is writing Hindi words primarily for Hindi "understanding" audience the context makes the tamatar vs talvaar distinction clear. I would be hard pressed to find someone writing Hindi words in English for non-Hindi audience. The common usage is T for tomato as well as t for talvaar..and most Hindi-speaking audience get it.. as you will see in names of Hindi movies that are written in English... it is never "khhoon pasina", it is "khoon pasina"

i realize now why some of my aunts call it "Daaal" instead of 'dh'al - they merely pronounced the incorrect spelling in the english recipe books.

[justforkix]

Look .. this debate is silly.. and i had a long one with Toney...

  - you have the other 2 active participants in that debate - me and flute

[LosingNow]

but why...there;s no h sound in talvar

HUH  - of course there is !! spoken as : thalvaar

in chennai

of course not !! there is a h sound for anyone who knows and speaks hindi

I repeat - in chennai

[justforkix]

but why...there;s no h sound in talvar

HUH  - of course there is !! spoken as : thalvaar

in chennai

of course not !! there is a h sound for anyone who knows and speaks hindi

No. TRy googling Thalvar and Talvar.
Thalvar returns 162 hits whereas Talvar returns 46700 hits.   

dex said there is no "h" sound in talvar or thalvar.... i'm not debating the seplling, it is a hindi word, there is no right/wrong spelling

[LosingNow]

Precisely. Simialrly, tara should be thara, lata should latha etc.... which is why I said these north indians never learn 

it would depend on what "t" is used, right? the first or the second?

  - this is 1st t or 2nd t.

thara meaning stars in hindi is "tha" (5th line, 1st letter) + "ra".

If spelt as tara it becomes "ta" (4th line, 1st row) + "ra"

 

NO Sir,

Tara - तारा
Thara - थारा
or it could also be
Tara - टारा
Thara - ठारा

The north indians know the difference.

These north indians are crazy 

Why are you southie trying to read hindi words written in English that are written for north indians

[LosingNow]

The two approaches are
N Indian : tamatar(tomato), talwar(sword), thoda(some) . Issue: ambiguity between tamatar and talwar.. which in the case of most N indians writing Hindi in English script for Hindi speaking audience is a non-issue.. they can figure it out from the context
S Indian : tamatar, thalwar, thhoda. Issue : the extra h in thalwar and thhoda is superfluous for Hindi speakers. most s indian languages like to stick to this distinction and hence like to spell it out. 

Frankly, I have not seen the sword spelt as thalwar by anyone in North...but the "trained in Hindi" gurus in S India insist that it should be spelt that way

but the difference is very common in names: A south indian girl will be latha/geetha/preethi, while north indian girl will be lata/geeta/preeti 

Correct.. and agree.. because one is the tamil latha and the other is the hindi lata ...written in English

Look .. this debate is silly.. and i had a long one with Toney...

bottomline : there is no "right" way to write these words in English. It comes down to who is writing for whom (using the English script).. if a Hindi writer is writing Hindi words primarily for Hindi "understanding" audience the context makes the tamatar vs talvaar distinction clear. I would be hard pressed to find someone writing Hindi words in English for non-Hindi audience. The common usage is T for tomato as well as t for talvaar..and most Hindi-speaking audience get it.. as you will see in names of Hindi movies that are written in English... it is never "khhoon pasina", it is "khoon pasina"

i realize now why some of my aunts call it "Daaal" instead of 'dh'al - they merely pronounced the incorrect spelling in the english recipe books.

ha ha.. the S Indians say it Daal (as in Dalda).. and the north indians say it Daal (as in Dilli) when they read this spelling.. because of their respective "language" contexts

[justforkix]

..but to these Southies th is t of talwar.. the h is supposed to soften the t of tamatar and make it a t of talwar!!

HUH 

tamatar uses 4th line, 1st letter, has no h sound.
talwar uses 5th line, 1st letter, has h sound.

you also need to learn 2nd letters of the 4th and 5th line to know the difference.

Nah, I don't need to. My hindi knowledge is as good or better than anyone else in the country 

[LosingNow]

..but to these Southies th is t of talwar.. the h is supposed to soften the t of tamatar and make it a t of talwar!!

HUH 

tamatar uses 4th line, 1st letter, has no h sound.
talwar uses 5th line, 1st letter, has h sound.

you also need to learn 2nd letters of the 4th and 5th line to know the difference.

Nah, I don't need to. My hindi knowledge is as good or better than anyone else in the country 

So is my Tamil.. "sapad ille, po"