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Ind vs Aus 2008 - Test 2 - Mohali - Match Thread and articles
« on: October 16, 2008, 02:42:48 PM »
http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/indvaus2008/content/story/374201.html

India have tough questions to tackle

Cricinfo staff

October 16, 2008

   
Will Anil Kumble be fit, and will India play two spinners? © AFP
 

The biggest question India grappled with a day before the start of the second Test was the fitness of Anil Kumble, their captain and an integral part of a two-spin, two-pace attack. The answer, about 21 hours before the captains walked out for the toss, was the same as it was in Kanpur earlier this year. He was troubled by a bad shoulder then, as he is now. "If I can bowl, I will play...So I will assess how I feel in the morning," Kumble had said a day before the Kanpur Test. "It's 24 hours before the match, so we'll just wait and see how it responds," he said on Thursday. He didn't play in Kanpur, and we'll know only at the toss tomorrow if he does here.

"It's a lot better than what it was yesterday," he said. Yesterday he hadn't even bowled at the nets. Today he said he did, in the privacy of the indoor nets.

India go into an important Test match with more questions than answers, in contrast to their opponets. Stuart Clark, one of Australia's main bowlers, was injured during the Bangalore Test. He didn't bowl yesterday, took a fitness test today, during which he bowled around 30 deliveries, and didn't look fit enough to play a Test. As a result the man who will take his place, Peter Siddle, knows a day in advance, and has time to settle his nerves before his Test debut.

The replacement for Kumble, if needed, both as player and captain, will get to know about an hour before the match. It's an academic thought but India don't have a designated vice-captain either. Going by the Kanpur precedent, Mahendra Singh Dhoni should lead the side if Kumble is not fit to play. Australia have always gone after the opposition captain; here, the captain has left himself open to being a target.

The weather, and its effects on the pitch, could also have a bearing on the combination. The rains have meant the pitch has stayed under the covers for too long, and hasn't had the desired amount of sunlight. As a result, it is expected to retain some of the moisture underneath the top surface, which looks pretty dry. The curator expects the pitch to be sluggish until, as he hopes, the sun beats down on it consistently.

Again, there are two ways of looking at the sluggish pitch. The spinners might not get the kind of bounce they enjoy in Mohali - as Kumble has done here, with two Man-of-the-Match performances. The pace bowlers might not get the kind of carry. In such a scenario, Munaf Patel sounds a better option than Amit Mishra, going by recent form and experience. This is also the venue where Munaf made his promising debut two years ago. He has gone through a lot since then, and is back with the same promise, perhaps more.

Kumble's fitness and the ideal combination in his absence has left a lot of doubt. But there is a larger question India need to come face to face with, sooner or later and regardless of Kumble's fitness. Are they ready to - and it's not as bold a move as it sounds - play three fast bowlers in home Tests? Especially when there are three pace bowlers close to pretty much the best they have been?

           
 
Are India looking more at the past - in Kumble's great record, in the old two-spinner theory - than looking to play the four best bowlers available?
 
      

And if they choose to go with five bowlers, it will involve another emotionally detached decision, the kind India are not known for. Playing five batsmen would mean dropping either Sourav Ganguly or VVS Laxman. One of them is in his last series, the other is three Tests short of 100. Even though the batsmen did enough in Bangalore to save the Test and their places in the side, the bowling attack didn't look potent enough to force the issue. This pitch here is expected to be better for batting.

The last time India went with three fast bowlers, when not playing five bowlers, in a home Test, was against Pakistan in 2004-05 - incidentally, at the same venue. L Balaji, Irfan Pathan and Zaheer Khan had done well then to bowl Pakistan out on the first day but in the second innings, when the pitch became easier to bat on, India couldn't bowl Pakistan out. Pakistan started the fifth day 53 runs ahead with four wickets in hand. Kumble managed two wickets on the fifth day, but the match was saved by Abdul Razzaq and Kamran Akmal.

The pitches in India have, however, changed since. It's hard to find a track - Kanpur was an underprepared exception - that of late has been a typical Indian minefield. Are India looking more at the past - at Kumble's great record, at the old two-spinner theory - than looking to play the four best bowlers available?
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Re: Ind vs Aus 2008 - Test 2 - Mohali - Match Thread and articles
« Reply #1 on: October 16, 2008, 08:56:17 PM »
http://www.hindu.com/2008/10/17/stories/2008101751702300.htm

India still has a few unanswered questions

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The remaining three Tests are going to be close affairs, writes Steve Waugh


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While most of the doubts that hung over the Australians were laid to rest in Bangalore, India go into the Mohali Test with a few prickly questions still unanswered. The foremost among these would be the form of their captain, Anil Kumble.

It was a disappointing outing for the champion spinner, but he needs to be honest to himself about whether he is fully fit. I have no problems with him having an off-game, because that could happen to the best, but if he is not fully fit, he would be doing himself a great disservice by continuing to play.

Harbhajan Singh was also a little below par in Bangalore, and it was the exceptional bowling of Zaheer Khan and Ishant Sharma that kept India afloat in the Test.

Seamer-friendly track


Mohali is a seamer-friendly track and while the Australians will like that, they must be careful about facing Ishant and Zaheer, because both are in very good rhythm at the moment.

India would also be hoping that their spin duo, particularly local boy Harbhajan, will also come up with some magic because he did look a little flat in the last game.

In the batting department too, I can’t put a finger on it, but there seems to be some spark missing in the middle order.

True, Rahul Dravid played well for his half-century in the first innings, but I would like to see him go for his strokes more and enjoy his game more. Dravid is a class act, and has nothing left to prove, so he must enjoy his time in the middle and not merely try to survive.

Crucial knock


I thought Sachin Tendulkar played a crucial knock in the second innings. If he had been dismissed cheaply on the last day, there is no doubt in my mind that the rest of the batsmen would have hit the panic button.

He will be a lot happier once he gets past the record that now stands just 14 runs away.

After the Bangalore Test, Zaheer observed that he doubted whether this Australian attack could get 20 wickets. If Zaheer intended to spur on the likes of Brett Lee and Mitchell Johnson, he has said the right thing. Such comments are not going to help India’s cause, and I wish he would focus on what he is doing well at the moment, and that is bowling.

The loss of Stuart Clark to injury would be a blow to Australia, because he has been their most consistent bowler this year.

However, that blow notwithstanding, Ricky Ponting will be looking forward to Mohali now that he has gotten rid of the ‘underperformer in India’ tag.

Relief for Ponting


Ponting would also be relieved on two counts — that his pace bowlers were successful against the Indian top order and that his spinners did as well as their Indian counterparts. His ploy of playing Shane Watson as an all-rounder has also given the team a nice balance and an extra bowling option.

Ponting, therefore, has not only the self-belief of a captain who is playing well but also the confidence of a leader whose decisions have worked. This means that he will be going into Friday’s game with a lot more confidence and composure than Kumble.

I still maintain that the remaining three Tests are going to be close affairs. I also feel that there will be a result in all three and the scoreline will be 2-1.

I hope my predictions are right because Test cricket does need a riveting series to counter the rollercoaster excitement of Twenty20 cricket. These two sides bring out the best in each other and while the draw at Bangalore was a tangy appetiser, the main course starts on Friday morning.

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Re: Ind vs Aus 2008 - Test 2 - Mohali - Match Thread and articles
« Reply #2 on: October 17, 2008, 03:21:57 AM »
Pitch looks hard and bouncy with a bit of grass covering - looks like a good batting wicket - Need 3 pacers here - should play Munaf instead of Kumble perhaps
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Re: Ind vs Aus 2008 - Test 2 - Mohali - Match Thread and articles
« Reply #3 on: October 17, 2008, 03:33:07 AM »
Kumble not fit - MSD is the captain !!!

India win toss and bat first !!

Amit Mishra comes in - no Munaf
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Re: Ind vs Aus 2008 - Test 2 - Mohali - Match Thread and articles
« Reply #4 on: October 17, 2008, 03:34:53 AM »
so much for munaf !
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Re: Ind vs Aus 2008 - Test 2 - Mohali - Match Thread and articles
« Reply #5 on: October 17, 2008, 03:35:37 AM »
actually not a bad idea - never rated munaf much - ganguly can do a job with the ball .... anyway if plan was to bat first makes sense to have the extra spinner  [god]
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Re: Ind vs Aus 2008 - Test 2 - Mohali - Match Thread and articles
« Reply #6 on: October 17, 2008, 03:40:58 AM »
Good to see MSD lead in AK's absence.
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Re: Ind vs Aus 2008 - Test 2 - Mohali - Match Thread and articles
« Reply #7 on: October 17, 2008, 03:44:10 AM »
There is no better sight in cricket than watching a new spinner unleashed at the Test level.  Mishra should be a good prospect and earned his cap.  Can't wait to watch him bowl.
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Re: Ind vs Aus 2008 - Test 2 - Mohali - Match Thread and articles
« Reply #8 on: October 17, 2008, 03:47:43 AM »
Good to see MSD lead in AK's absence.
Kiran will rejoice all the postings now  ;D
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« Reply #9 on: October 17, 2008, 03:47:51 AM »
well you better wait !!
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Re: Ind vs Aus 2008 - Test 2 - Mohali - Match Thread and articles
« Reply #10 on: October 17, 2008, 03:49:31 AM »
There is no better sight in cricket than watching a new spinner unleashed at the Test level.

Has Mandira Bedi retired ?
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Re: Ind vs Aus 2008 - Test 2 - Mohali - Match Thread and articles
« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2008, 03:53:30 AM »
There is no better sight in cricket than watching a new spinner unleashed at the Test level.  Mishra should be a good prospect and earned his cap.  Can't wait to watch him bowl.
Think Piyush debuted in Mohali. Where is he now?
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« Reply #12 on: October 17, 2008, 03:54:13 AM »
well you better wait !!
Now what did i do here ? aaj ka din hi kharaabhi kya mera ?
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Re: Ind vs Aus 2008 - Test 2 - Mohali - Match Thread and articles
« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2008, 03:58:40 AM »
that was directed to rams who cudnt wait to see mishra bowl !  :D
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Re: Ind vs Aus 2008 - Test 2 - Mohali - Match Thread and articles
« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2008, 04:01:35 AM »
I think the team were not confident with Harbajan as the lone spinner. Still, now that we are batting first going with a 2-2 attack could work at Mohali.
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Re: Ind vs Aus 2008 - Test 2 - Mohali - Match Thread and articles
« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2008, 04:02:31 AM »
rightly so

pathetic to see such a poor crowd. whats wrong with the punjabis ?  ???
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Re: Ind vs Aus 2008 - Test 2 - Mohali - Match Thread and articles
« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2008, 04:09:34 AM »
And I thought crowd turnout was poor in Bangalore !!!! Mohali turnout is just HORRIBLE !!!!

Test Cricket in India should only be played in Mumbai, Chennai, and Kolkata. Other venues don't deserve test cricket as people there don't seem to be interested in watching it !!!
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« Reply #17 on: October 17, 2008, 04:09:44 AM »
GG hit on the head?
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Re: Ind vs Aus 2008 - Test 2 - Mohali - Match Thread and articles
« Reply #18 on: October 17, 2008, 04:13:11 AM »
WOW - boundaries are so far back !!

Our fielders are in deep trouble - Aussies may run even 5 by the time we pick up the ball from the outfiled !!!  :D :D :D
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Re: Ind vs Aus 2008 - Test 2 - Mohali - Match Thread and articles
« Reply #19 on: October 17, 2008, 04:15:42 AM »
Looks like a lot of runs and wickets today. :)
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« Reply #20 on: October 17, 2008, 04:16:47 AM »
Looks like a lot of runs and wickets today. :)
with a decent SR as well ;D
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« Reply #21 on: October 17, 2008, 04:18:08 AM »
If we go to lunch without losing a wicket, we are winning this.
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« Reply #22 on: October 17, 2008, 04:18:41 AM »
How many slips does Ponty have? Is he on the defensive?
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« Reply #23 on: October 17, 2008, 04:19:27 AM »
If we go to lunch without losing a wicket, we are winning this.
I thought i was the only optimist around  ;D ;D
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« Reply #24 on: October 17, 2008, 04:19:42 AM »
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Re: Ind vs Aus 2008 - Test 2 - Mohali - Match Thread and articles
« Reply #25 on: October 17, 2008, 04:20:18 AM »
Without a decent spinner to get 20 wickets for Australia looks a stretch.
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Re: Ind vs Aus 2008 - Test 2 - Mohali - Match Thread and articles
« Reply #26 on: October 17, 2008, 04:21:47 AM »
These guys should put their head down and just bat. Sehwag survives..
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« Reply #27 on: October 17, 2008, 04:22:26 AM »
These guys should put their head down and just bat. Sehwag survives..
follows by 4  ;D
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« Reply #28 on: October 17, 2008, 04:23:43 AM »
These guys should put their head down and just bat. Sehwag survives..
follows by 4  ;D
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Re: Ind vs Aus 2008 - Test 2 - Mohali - Match Thread and articles
« Reply #29 on: October 17, 2008, 04:26:42 AM »
I'm not sure we will win unless the pitch wears down quite a bit, irrespective of whether we score big or not.
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« Reply #30 on: October 17, 2008, 04:28:08 AM »
mohali is always likely to be a draw. most overrated venue in india  ::zzz::
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Re: Ind vs Aus 2008 - Test 2 - Mohali - Match Thread and articles
« Reply #31 on: October 17, 2008, 04:33:25 AM »
Seriously, PATHETIC TURNOUT !!! Mohali SHOULD NOT be given any mroe tests !!!!
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« Reply #32 on: October 17, 2008, 04:38:25 AM »
I think all the Indians here are treating it as a Delhi vs Punjab Ranji match ;D
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« Reply #33 on: October 17, 2008, 04:38:50 AM »
May get a better crowd after lunch if they feel the rains are keeping away?
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« Reply #34 on: October 17, 2008, 04:40:15 AM »
may also trickle in with the news of india batting
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« Reply #35 on: October 17, 2008, 04:41:46 AM »
Seriously, PATHETIC TURNOUT !!! Mohali SHOULD NOT be given any mroe tests !!!!

From cricinfo comments:
"Sensex down 227 points so far today. Let's hope that's the reason for the low turnout."
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« Reply #36 on: October 17, 2008, 04:42:24 AM »
If Sehwag keeps at surely they will come.
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« Reply #37 on: October 17, 2008, 04:42:41 AM »
I think there should a blackout policy similar to the US - enforce TV blackout locally till all tix are sold out !!!
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« Reply #38 on: October 17, 2008, 04:43:32 AM »
Lee off the attack after just 4 overs   :wave:
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« Reply #39 on: October 17, 2008, 04:44:45 AM »
the punjabis are lazy.. cue u know who... :headbang: :headbang:
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