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[pipsqueak]

how strange - no threads started for this? huh? huh? huh?    

now, can't wait to hear from DV "more than what SG wants to hear"!



Ganguly denies slamming selectors
 
October 11, 2008 11:08 IST

Sourav Ganguly [Images] on Saturday denied giving an interview wherein he had allegedly slammed his team mates and selectors.

"The reports of the interview from the Bengali daily published in various newspapers are false. I have not given an interview of that sort to anyone and, hopefully, also in the future," the former India captain said in a statement, read out in the press box of the M Chinnaswamy stadium in Bangalore, on the third morning of the first Test between India and Australia

Ganguly had allegedly lashed out at the previous Dilip Vengsarkar-led selection committee on Thursday. He was quoted as saying that he decided to retire after the Test series against Australia to save himself the humiliation of being treated as the "sacrificial goat" all the time while others are spared.

"There is no point playing like this. I am not willing to play at their (selectors') mercy. They will pick you now and then dump you. Why should I be the sacrificial goat all the time? It was difficult to accept," Ganguly, who announced his retirement from international cricket on Tuesday, was quoted as saying by Bengali daily Aajkal.

He requested the media to clarify with him before publishing news from other sources.

"I would request you to clarify with me before publishing news from other sources," the statement added.

http://inhome.rediff.com/cricket/2008/oct/11gangu.htm

[xiexie]

Ah ha the true politician in him emerges clearly from the haze now. The man who was an expert in this stating and denying kind of callisthenics was Sitaram Kesri, Sourav Ganguly is following along nicely....

First stop after cricket Mayoral Elections of Kolkata and then probably an MP and then a minister...well done Mr Ganguly.

[pipsqueak]

what!  it is 6 mins 43 secs since i posted this thread - where are all the anit-SGians? recovering from the shock? clutching the last straw of grass[sic]? writing theses on how vernacular bengali press is THE ultimate authority in news, the only remaining bastion of integrity and ethics and no one must ever question it? or writing nuanced expositions about how he "plays politics"?



  

[pipsqueak]

Ah ha the true politician in him emerges clearly from the haze now. The man who was an expert in this stating and denying kind of callisthenics was Sitaram Kesri, Sourav Ganguly is following along nicely....

First stop after cricket Mayoral Elections of Kolkata and then probably an MP and then a minister...well done Mr Ganguly.

...nah, we must have more people in this world like YOU who goes around calling people "pariah" and "fart".

 

[kban1]

Ah ha the true politician in him emerges clearly from the haze now. The man who was an expert in this stating and denying kind of callisthenics was Sitaram Kesri, Sourav Ganguly is following along nicely....

First stop after cricket Mayoral Elections of Kolkata and then probably an MP and then a minister...well done Mr Ganguly.

I must say you are one of those who once he makes up his mind, cant bring himself to change it.

First of all, you went ballistic yesterday over a report in an English daily over an interview which was conducted in a different language --where many nuances were lost in translation.

I pointed you to the actual thread where the discussion of the issue was ongoing, and where the translation was provided so that you could see for yourself how his comments (if at all he gave them) were not directed towards any of his teammates. But you kept on insinuating despite that

Now that the player in question has come out and openly and publicly denied it, you start throwing politician monikers.

That tells me either you had your mind made up before and needed an excuse or that you are a person who is incapable of revising his opinion. Both of which makes your pronouncements hard to accept at face value.

[xiexie]

Ah ha the true politician in him emerges clearly from the haze now. The man who was an expert in this stating and denying kind of callisthenics was Sitaram Kesri, Sourav Ganguly is following along nicely....

First stop after cricket Mayoral Elections of Kolkata and then probably an MP and then a minister...well done Mr Ganguly.

I must say you are one of those who once he makes up his mind, cant bring himself to change it.

First of all, you went ballistic yesterday over a report in an English daily over an interview which was conducted in a different language --where many nuances were lost in translation.

I pointed you to the actual thread where the discussion of the issue was ongoing, and where the translation was provided so that you could see for yourself how his comments (if at all he gave them) were not directed towards any of his teammates. But you kept on insinuating despite that

Now that the player in question has come out and openly and publicly denied it, you start throwing politician monikers.

That tells me either you had your mind made up before and needed an excuse or that you are a person who is incapable of revising his opinion. Both of which makes your pronouncements hard to accept at face value.

Sure I crave your acceptance as the true measure of my opinions....wow how much do you think you are important?

My capacity and my mind are not the topics of discussion here, its all about the man called Sourav Ganguly who single handedly built Indian cricket from the shambles of the eighties and early 90's but is now is trying to hold on to something thats not his.

[Blwe_torch]

Ah ha the true politician in him emerges clearly from the haze now. The man who was an expert in this stating and denying kind of callisthenics was Sitaram Kesri, Sourav Ganguly is following along nicely....

First stop after cricket Mayoral Elections of Kolkata and then probably an MP and then a minister...well done Mr Ganguly.

I must say you are one of those who once he makes up his mind, cant bring himself to change it.

First of all, you went ballistic yesterday over a report in an English daily over an interview which was conducted in a different language --where many nuances were lost in translation.

I pointed you to the actual thread where the discussion of the issue was ongoing, and where the translation was provided so that you could see for yourself how his comments (if at all he gave them) were not directed towards any of his teammates. But you kept on insinuating despite that

Now that the player in question has come out and openly and publicly denied it, you start throwing politician monikers.

That tells me either you had your mind made up before and needed an excuse or that you are a person who is incapable of revising his opinion. Both of which makes your pronouncements hard to accept at face value.

Sure I crave your acceptance as the true measure of my opinions....wow how much do you think you are important?

My capacity and my mind are not the topics of discussion here, its all about the man called Sourav Ganguly who single handedly built Indian cricket from the shambles of the eighties and early 90's but is now is trying to hold on to something thats not his.

I think you are over-reacting to some newspaper hype

[xiexie]

Ah ha the true politician in him emerges clearly from the haze now. The man who was an expert in this stating and denying kind of callisthenics was Sitaram Kesri, Sourav Ganguly is following along nicely....

First stop after cricket Mayoral Elections of Kolkata and then probably an MP and then a minister...well done Mr Ganguly.

...nah, we must have more people in this world like YOU who goes around calling people "pariah" and "fart".

 

Why are you stalking me all over this DG for you to know what I said exactly to whom?

Anyway I dont recall ever interacting directly with you before this instance so why this fan following?

[cricinfo]

Ah ha the true politician in him emerges clearly from the haze now. The man who was an expert in this stating and denying kind of callisthenics was Sitaram Kesri, Sourav Ganguly is following along nicely....

First stop after cricket Mayoral Elections of Kolkata and then probably an MP and then a minister...well done Mr Ganguly.

...nah, we must have more people in this world like YOU who goes around calling people "pariah" and "fart".

 

Why are you stalking me all over this DG for you to know what I said exactly to whom?

Anyway I dont recall ever interacting directly with you before this instance so why this fan following?

Even Charles Manson had fan following

[achutank]

Ah ha the true politician in him emerges clearly from the haze now. The man who was an expert in this stating and denying kind of callisthenics was Sitaram Kesri, Sourav Ganguly is following along nicely....

First stop after cricket Mayoral Elections of Kolkata and then probably an MP and then a minister...well done Mr Ganguly.

...nah, we must have more people in this world like YOU who goes around calling people "pariah" and "fart".

 

Why are you stalking me all over this DG for you to know what I said exactly to whom?

Anyway I dont recall ever interacting directly with you before this instance so why this fan following?

she likes all things chinese 

[pipsqueak]

Ah ha the true politician in him emerges clearly from the haze now. The man who was an expert in this stating and denying kind of callisthenics was Sitaram Kesri, Sourav Ganguly is following along nicely....

First stop after cricket Mayoral Elections of Kolkata and then probably an MP and then a minister...well done Mr Ganguly.

...nah, we must have more people in this world like YOU who goes around calling people "pariah" and "fart".

 

Why are you stalking me all over this DG for you to know what I said exactly to whom?

Anyway I dont recall ever interacting directly with you before this instance so why this fan following?

i happened to read posts(i read all posts here) where you used these words and i commented right there - you did not respond. what trip are you on about "stalking"? 

this is a DG and i will respond to posts that i feel like responding to. are you here just to deliver sermons?

[xiexie]

Ah ha the true politician in him emerges clearly from the haze now. The man who was an expert in this stating and denying kind of callisthenics was Sitaram Kesri, Sourav Ganguly is following along nicely....

First stop after cricket Mayoral Elections of Kolkata and then probably an MP and then a minister...well done Mr Ganguly.

...nah, we must have more people in this world like YOU who goes around calling people "pariah" and "fart".

 

Why are you stalking me all over this DG for you to know what I said exactly to whom?

Anyway I dont recall ever interacting directly with you before this instance so why this fan following?

i happened to read posts(i read all posts here) where you used these words and i commented right there - you did not respond. what trip are you on about "stalking"? 

this is a DG and i will respond to posts that i feel like responding to. are you here just to deliver sermons?

Wow you sure have a lot of time on hand I can see...feel free to read and respond to all my post.

I neither have the time nor the inclination to respond to each and every poster...

[kban1]

Sure I crave your acceptance as the true measure of my opinions....wow how much do you think you are important?

Frankly, Do I care what you think. The answer is NO.

But you are here on a DG giving your opinion. When you cant substantiate your stance or back it up with reason as your rush to conclusion over the past 36 hours shows, be prepared to be called on it.

How important I think I am is wholly and completely immaterial to how incoherent I found your posts to be from a logical standpoint. Maybe the latter is something you ought to concern yourself with.

My capacity and my mind are not the topics of discussion here, its all about the man called Sourav Ganguly who single handedly built Indian cricket from the shambles of the eighties and early 90's but is now is trying to hold on to something thats not his.

Your capacity and mind should not be the topic of discussion here, you got that right.

But your comments and the grounds they stand on is definitely a topic of dicussion when you refuse to consider all the information on the table and stick to a stance, which you arrived at yesterday much before the explanation and translation of the interview and the subsequent denial by the person concerned.

Now unless you can vouch for the fact that the interview is actually genuine (maybe you were the fly on the wall and can attest to SG saying all that despite a public denial) or you can vouch for the fact that the meaning inherent in it is what you assume it to be (maybe you have a PHD in bengali), your argument stands exposed for lack of substantiation.

And thats all that there is to it.

[broadbat]

It amazes me that the press can continue to publish tripe and get away with it. This news was picked up and reported by all the mainstream media. Think of the time we have wasted discussing something that never happened. For starters i think it should be made mandatory for all interviews to be recorded on audio tape.

[flashpan]

If he had not given any interview , then well and good , though i am suprised that it took him four days to deny giving any interview as such.

[Blwe_torch]

I don't think...he was too bothered...........until ofcourse DBV came out with a press release.

[xiexie]

Sure I crave your acceptance as the true measure of my opinions....wow how much do you think you are important?

Frankly, Do I care what you think. The answer is NO.

But you are here on a DG giving your opinion. When you cant substantiate your stance or back it up with reason as your rush to conclusion over the past 36 hours shows, be prepared to be called on it.

How important I think I am is wholly and completely immaterial to how incoherent I found your posts to be from a logical standpoint. Maybe the latter is something you ought to concern yourself with.

Oh so you found it incoherent -on logic-well thats your prerogative cant say much more than that

My capacity and my mind are not the topics of discussion here, its all about the man called Sourav Ganguly who single handedly built Indian cricket from the shambles of the eighties and early 90's but is now is trying to hold on to something thats not his.

Your capacity and mind should not be the topic of discussion here, you got that right.

But your comments and the grounds they stand on is definitely a topic of discussion when you refuse to consider all the information on the table and stick to a stance, which you arrived at yesterday much before the explanation and translation of the interview and the subsequent denial by the person concerned.

Now unless you can vouch for the fact that the interview is actually genuine (maybe you were the fly on the wall and can attest to SG saying all that despite a public denial) or you can vouch for the fact that the meaning inherent in it is what you assume it to be (maybe you have a PHD in bengali), your argument stands exposed for lack of substantiation.

And thats all that there is to it.

Listen whether or not I know Bengali or not is not material here. There have been 100's of instances when comments like this were attributed to SG and then later retracted by him.

Could you for instance show me instances where any other ex captain or player has made and retracted these many statements.

Finally thanks I dont intend prolonging this discussion any further you are free to hold your opinions and Iam free to hold mine on this particular player.

[pipsqueak]

Ah ha the true politician in him emerges clearly from the haze now. The man who was an expert in this stating and denying kind of callisthenics was Sitaram Kesri, Sourav Ganguly is following along nicely....

First stop after cricket Mayoral Elections of Kolkata and then probably an MP and then a minister...well done Mr Ganguly.

...nah, we must have more people in this world like YOU who goes around calling people "pariah" and "fart".

 

Why are you stalking me all over this DG for you to know what I said exactly to whom?

Anyway I dont recall ever interacting directly with you before this instance so why this fan following?

i happened to read posts(i read all posts here) where you used these words and i commented right there - you did not respond. what trip are you on about "stalking"? 

this is a DG and i will respond to posts that i feel like responding to. are you here just to deliver sermons?

Wow you sure have a lot of time on hand I can see...feel free to read and respond to all my post.

I neither have the time nor the inclination to respond to each and every poster...

not all your posts - only those where you cross the limits of decency esp. when preaching on another side about the glory and tolerance of hinduism.

of course, the whole DG is free!

[pipsqueak]

Listen whether or not I know Bengali or not is not material here. There have been 100's of instances when comments like this were attributed to SG and then later retracted by him.
Could you for instance show me instances where any other ex captain or player has made and retracted these many statements.

Finally thanks I dont intend prolonging this discussion any further you are free to hold your opinions and Iam free to hold mine on this particular player.

could you please give me a link to all these instances? okay, maybe not all, say, 15?

[kban1]

Listen whether or not I know Bengali or not is not material here.

It is -- there is such a thing as lost in translation, even if you are blissfully ignorant of it.

There have been 100's of instances when comments like this were attributed to SG and then later retracted by him.

Could you for instance show me instances where any other ex captain or player has made and retracted these many statements

First
Perhaps you should put your money where your mouth is and show us a few examples of such 100's of retractions befoe I even bother to respond to such an outlandish suggestion by providing counter instances.

Second
perhaps you should understand how media works in india when it comes to cricket --how often such BS stories are published because they attract TRP's.

[flute]

what!  it is 6 mins 43 secs since i posted this thread - where are all the anit-SGians? recovering from the shock? clutching the last straw of grass[sic]? writing theses on how vernacular bengali press is THE ultimate authority in news, the only remaining bastion of integrity and ethics and no one must ever question it? or writing nuanced expositions about how he "plays politics"?



  

so pip, now, do you like Sg less? did SG disappoint you with this retraction? did he turn into a mice for you now that he did not have the guts to face the music and so went back on his own interview?

[pzd]

How reputed is this newspaper - AajKal? Is it some kind of tabloid?

[flute]

it is really naive for anyone to believe this restraction..this is clearly a damage control excercise, SG clearly lost it and is now repenting for saying what he said.

[pipsqueak]

what!  it is 6 mins 43 secs since i posted this thread - where are all the anit-SGians? recovering from the shock? clutching the last straw of grass[sic]? writing theses on how vernacular bengali press is THE ultimate authority in news, the only remaining bastion of integrity and ethics and no one must ever question it? or writing nuanced expositions about how he "plays politics"?



  

so pip, now, do you like Sg less? did SG disappoint you with this retraction? did he turn into a mice for you now that he did not have the guts to face the music and so went back on his own interview?

why wd i not believe him that he never gave the interview?  you are instigating that he is a liar now?

i have said enough about what i think - am glad he did not give the interview, even if he had, it has been maliciously interpreted. i don't think he meant to attack any team mate.

as i said, i don't want to waste my time discussing this coz i think any one with a basic level of comprehension AND with no hidden agenda to slam SG should get it. if they don't they are too stupid for me to interact with.

 

[flute]

what!  it is 6 mins 43 secs since i posted this thread - where are all the anit-SGians? recovering from the shock? clutching the last straw of grass[sic]? writing theses on how vernacular bengali press is THE ultimate authority in news, the only remaining bastion of integrity and ethics and no one must ever question it? or writing nuanced expositions about how he "plays politics"?



  

so pip, now, do you like Sg less? did SG disappoint you with this retraction? did he turn into a mice for you now that he did not have the guts to face the music and so went back on his own interview?

why wd i not believe him that he never gave the interview?  you are instigating that he is a liar now?

i have said enough about what i think - am glad he did not give the interview, even if he had, it has been maliciously interpreted. i don't think he meant to attack any team mate.

as i said, i don't want to waste my time discussing this coz i think any one with a basic level of comprehension AND with no hidden agenda to slam SG should get it. if they don't they are too stupid for me to interact with.

 

humour me & debate with me plz !! I have no such limitations, I try to interact with everyone, including hung ho hero worshippers, naive "whatever my hero says is correct" types  and personal abusers etc.

[pipsqueak]

what!  it is 6 mins 43 secs since i posted this thread - where are all the anit-SGians? recovering from the shock? clutching the last straw of grass[sic]? writing theses on how vernacular bengali press is THE ultimate authority in news, the only remaining bastion of integrity and ethics and no one must ever question it? or writing nuanced expositions about how he "plays politics"?



  

so pip, now, do you like Sg less? did SG disappoint you with this retraction? did he turn into a mice for you now that he did not have the guts to face the music and so went back on his own interview?

why wd i not believe him that he never gave the interview?  you are instigating that he is a liar now?

i have said enough about what i think - am glad he did not give the interview, even if he had, it has been maliciously interpreted. i don't think he meant to attack any team mate.

as i said, i don't want to waste my time discussing this coz i think any one with a basic level of comprehension AND with no hidden agenda to slam SG should get it. if they don't they are too stupid for me to interact with.

 

humour me & debate with me plz !! I have no such limitations, I try to interact with everyone, including hung ho hero worshippers, naive "whatever my hero says is correct" types  and personal abusers etc.

nothing to debate. i disagree with your interpretation and have no interest in "proving" you wrong. i ain't from the nuanced exposition school of thought to go on and on. i have neither the patience nor the interest. this is an "opinion" about a person and you are free to assume what you want and i am free to assume what i want about SG AND about those who think that they are right about SG targetting team mates by his commments in that interview and i do not want to waste my time trying to "change" them(beat this sentence, kban!).

EOD

[ramshorns]

I agree with the premise of some of the posters on this thread about SG's denials.  Aaj kal as per CLR is in existense for a long time.  To me it is far fetched for a Bengali daily to frame such questions and answers for no apparent reason to bring SG to disrepute. 

It would have been a better situation had SG denied some of the contents of this interview or misquoted his position instead of denying such an interview outright.

Even for most of his fans it would be difficult to believe.

If he is not careful he will again be getting into a rut which he is gotten upon himself this time.

Personally I think he should have said nothing on the interview to Aaj Kal and I would have had more respect if he just stood by the things he said and speaking his mind though the timing of it could have been better.

He should have been quiet for now than issuing these denials.

All these denials quite frankly comes across as very childish and not expected from someone like SG who has been in a position of responsibility by being the skipper for 5 years.

[Blwe_torch]

First there is debating..............and then there is nuanced debating( slightly on a higher plane).....and finally, one has to suffer fools........I mean, fools like me
the best is to keep quiet.

[pipsqueak]

First there is debating..............and then there is nuanced debating( slightly on a higher plane).....and finally, one has to suffer fools........I mean, fools like me
the best is to keep quiet.

...and why do fools like you? are you kind to them unlike me who calls them fools on their face?

[LosingNow]

It is always silly season in Indian cricket

[Blwe_torch]

First there is debating..............and then there is nuanced debating( slightly on a higher plane).....and finally, one has to suffer fools........I mean, fools like me
the best is to keep quiet.

...and why do fools like you? are you kind to them unlike me who calls them fools on their face?

they can somehow relate to me on a more basic level 

[justforkix]

To me it is far fetched for a Bengali daily to frame such questions and answers for no apparent reason to bring SG to disrepute. 

It would have been a better situation had SG denied some of the contents of this interview or misquoted his position instead of denying such an interview outright.

He should have been quiet for now than issuing these denials.

it is really naive for anyone to believe this restraction..this is clearly a damage control excercise, SG clearly lost it and is now repenting for saying what he said.

Here is what I believe has happened: He has spoken to the journo, all that was published, but "off the record". But the journo went ahead and published it, making it like an interview and "on the record" thingie. SG just had no choice but to deny it. He obviously cannot issue a statement that these comments were made off the record !!!

[LosingNow]

First there is debating..............and then there is nuanced debating( slightly on a higher plane).....and finally, one has to suffer fools........I mean, fools like me
the best is to keep quiet.

...and why do fools like you? are you kind to them unlike me who calls them fools on their face?

they can somehow relate to me on a more basic level 

[justforkix]

If he had not given any interview , then well and good , though i am suprised that it took him four days to deny giving any interview as such.

Your timeline is wrong. he denial has come 3 days later and not 4 days later. Aajkal interview was published on Oct 8. The denial has come on Oct 11.

Being in Bangalore, it is quite possible that he did not read Aajkal to know that it was published. It was in cricinfo and other media channels only in the evening of Day1. So, it is easily quite possible that SG was unaware of such news till Day 2 morning. because it is not as if players run to their hotels and check cricket news online or watch cricket reports in the media. So, realistically, the denial probably took 24-36 hours which is fine IMO, since he is also playing a test match all day.

[Libran]

If he had not given any interview , then well and good , though i am suprised that it took him four days to deny giving any interview as such.

Your timeline is wrong. he denial has come 3 days later and not 4 days later. Aajkal interview was published on Oct 8. The denial has come on Oct 11.

Being in Bangalore, it is quite possible that he did not read Aajkal to know that it was published. It was in cricinfo and other media channels only in the evening of Day1. So, it is easily quite possible that SG was unaware of such news till Day 2 morning. because it is not as if players run to their hotels and check cricket news online or watch cricket reports in the media. So, realistically, the denial probably took 24-36 hours which is fine IMO, since he is also playing a test match all day.

And you took the trouble of putting out a logical explanation to a troll 

[gouravk]

Disagree as I do with the timing of the interview I do support most of the points made

In particular he has every right to feel aggrieved that such batsmen like yuvraj and dhoni who should not really be in India B side got opportunities in test matches ..

[WicketView]

Disagree as I do with the timing of the interview I do support most of the points made

In particular he has every right to feel aggrieved that such batsmen like yuvraj and dhoni who should not really be in India B side got opportunities in test matches ..
[/quote
Dhoni is not playing as a batsman, though.

[gouravk]

yes but this in day and age wicketkeepers need to satisfy some minimal batting requirements.

[keep-it-cool]

I agree with the premise of some of the posters on this thread about SG's denials.  Aaj kal as per CLR is in existense for a long time.  To me it is far fetched for a Bengali daily to frame such questions and answers for no apparent reason to bring SG to disrepute. 

It would have been a better situation had SG denied some of the contents of this interview or misquoted his position instead of denying such an interview outright.

Even for most of his fans it would be difficult to believe.

If he is not careful he will again be getting into a rut which he is gotten upon himself this time.

Personally I think he should have said nothing on the interview to Aaj Kal and I would have had more respect if he just stood by the things he said and speaking his mind though the timing of it could have been better.

He should have been quiet for now than issuing these denials.

All these denials quite frankly comes across as very childish and not expected from someone like SG who has been in a position of responsibility by being the skipper for 5 years.

Bang On, Rams. Completely agree.

[keep-it-cool]

To me it is far fetched for a Bengali daily to frame such questions and answers for no apparent reason to bring SG to disrepute. 

It would have been a better situation had SG denied some of the contents of this interview or misquoted his position instead of denying such an interview outright.

He should have been quiet for now than issuing these denials.

it is really naive for anyone to believe this restraction..this is clearly a damage control excercise, SG clearly lost it and is now repenting for saying what he said.

Here is what I believe has happened: He has spoken to the journo, all that was published, but "off the record". But the journo went ahead and published it, making it like an interview and "on the record" thingie. SG just had no choice but to deny it. He obviously cannot issue a statement that these comments were made off the record !!!

Quite possible .. although it may have been better to say misquoted rather than a complete denial. Now the reporter looks like an idiot & the daily a difficult one to believe in ... but I guess the media has long stopped worrying about such things.