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[flashpan]

Former chief selector Dilip Vengasarkar said he will refrain from responding to Sourav Ganguly's [Images] outburst against the selectors till the end of the current series against Australia as it could divert the team's focus.

"I won't answer him now, as this is not the right time, because India are in the middle of a Test series and it might affect the focus of the team," Vengsarkar said on Friday.

"But I will definitely answer him after the series is over. He will get more than what he has asked for," he added.

Ganguly hit out at the selectors for the manner he had been treated and said he decided to retire to save himself the humiliation of being treated as the "sacrificial goat" all the time.

"There is no point playing like this. I am not willing to play at their (selectors') mercy. They will pick you now and then dump you. Why should I be the sacrificial goat all the time? It was difficult to accept," said Ganguly, who announced his retirement from international cricket on Tuesday.

Vengsarkar also said the Board of Control for Cricket in India will look into the matter and find out what Ganguly had told the Bengali daily.

"All I had said yesterday [to a television channel] is that if he had said anything [on selection], the BCCI will look into it," he said.

News 24 channel, in a press statement, late Thursday night, quoted Vengsarkar as saying, "Sourav should stay away from making any statements till he is playing as they will create unnecessary controversies."

He also said, "The BCCI should take some strict action against this as such statements are needless and can affect the morale and spirit of the whole squad."

Aha , we will have some nice entertainment after this series ends . Vengencekar has started it , who will be next Dravid?Dhoni ? Kumble ? TP Singh .

[Blwe_torch]

The problem is...he has already got the answer.......he is just framing the questions.

[pipsqueak]

haha, Vensarkar talking against a team player in the middle of an important series?

geez, how unpatriotic, childish, immature, blah blah blah! where are these lamenters? 

[flashpan]

first , you utter bull* and tripe and then you expect others to sit back and suffer the humiliation.Ganguly started it and he may well repent it forever.

[ganavk]

haha, Vensarkar talking against a team player in the middle of an important series?

really ? What did he talk against a team player in the middle of the series. He just said that SG can have his answer at the end of the series unlike SG who took shots at his fellow team members who could still be a part of the team.

[pipsqueak]

haha, Vensarkar talking against a team player in the middle of an important series?

really ? What did he talk against a team player in the middle of the series. He just said that SG can have his answer at the end of the series unlike SG who took shots at his fellow team members who could still be a part of the team.

""But I will definitely answer him after the series is over. He will get more than what he has asked for,"

that's a threat!

[flashpan]

If my memory serves right, Ganguly was effusive in his praise of Vengsarkar when he was recalled to the squad in 2006 . Now , that he was dropped by the same man , he does a 360 degree turn.

[keep-it-cool]

Lol is Vengsarkar a part of the cricket team or the coaching establishment? Has he spoken out against SG after he was selected? All he did was answered a question on why SG was dropped - and that was when SG was not part of any team. In fact,when asked whether SG was dropped on GK's or AK's recommendation, he said he would not like to comment on the selection process.

Anyway, I guess DBV would be the new villain hereabouts now.

The man has been daft and had his share of gaffes but I don't see anything wrong here. He is just another ex cricketer now

[prfsr]

Anyway, I guess DBV would be the new villain hereabouts now.

  That's why he was called monkey man the last 2 years. I think you mean he has just made amends for bringing back SG?

[pipsqueak]

monkey man turns a HERO!!   

[flute]

Lol is Vengsarkar a part of the cricket team or the coaching establishment? Has he spoken out against SG after he was selected? All he did was answered a question on why SG was dropped - and that was when SG was not part of any team. In fact,when asked whether SG was dropped on GK's or AK's recommendation, he said he would not like to comment on the selection process.

Anyway, I guess DBV would be the new villain hereabouts now.

The man has been daft and had his share of gaffes but I don't see anything wrong here. He is just another ex cricketer now

well said..DBV, the new More.

[keep-it-cool]

@Prfsr, Pip

Nah. Monkey man stays a monkey man for me.

I think he just turned into one for many more on this DG

[prfsr]

@Prfsr, Pip

Nah. Monkey man stays a monkey man for me.

I think he just turned into one for many more on this DG

OTOH I think DBV did a good job overall. Thought that earlier, think so now. Of course you can argue that the comparison was againt other selectors, so the bar is so low, it is not clear there is a bar 

[poondu]

@Prfsr, Pip

Nah. Monkey man stays a monkey man for me.

I think he just turned into one for many more on this DG

Good one...

[gouravk]

yes and as i said before we can look forward to some monkey speak after the series.

[CLR James]

yes and as i said before we can look forward to some monkey speak after the series.

Meanwhile he has to continue holding our Cricket Voice sign up there...

[Libran]

Where has SG hit out at DBV ?
If at all that interview is true, then his statement would read as wanting the current Selection committee three years back and that would be Sept / Oct 2005... the very period when More was the Chairman and was busy tying GC's shoe laces... he has not talked about the committee headed by DBV..

Why is it so difficult to read the timelines when it is in proper English... do colored glasses have an impact on the language too 

[keep-it-cool]

Where has SG hit out at DBV ?
If at all that interview is true, then his statement would read as wanting the current Selection committee three years back and that would be Sept / Oct 2005... the very period when More was the Chairman and was busy tying GC's shoe laces... he has not talked about the committee headed by DBV..

Why is it so difficult to read the timelines when it is in proper English... do colored glasses have an impact on the language too 

Given that SG has said (or is supposed to have said) that he considers the Irani Cup dropping sillier than the time GC dropped him .. it is clear that his statement of "nowadays every tom dick and harry plays for india" "selectors let you play sometimes and not sometimes depending on their mood" (or whatever to that effect) was aimed more at DBV & co

[Blwe_torch]

Where has SG hit out at DBV ?
If at all that interview is true, then his statement would read as wanting the current Selection committee three years back and that would be Sept / Oct 2005... the very period when More was the Chairman and was busy tying GC's shoe laces... he has not talked about the committee headed by DBV..

Why is it so difficult to read the timelines when it is in proper English... do colored glasses have an impact on the language too 

Given that SG has said (or is supposed to have said) that he considers the Irani Cup dropping sillier than the time GC dropped him .. it is clear that his statement of "nowadays every tom dick and harry plays for india" "selectors let you play sometimes and not sometimes depending on their mood" (or whatever to that effect) was aimed more at DBV & co

It is done and dusted........nothing will come out of this!

[kban1]

Given that SG has said (or is supposed to have said) that he considers the Irani Cup dropping sillier than the time GC dropped him .. it is clear that his statement of "nowadays every tom dick and harry plays for india" "selectors let you play sometimes and not sometimes depending on their mood" (or whatever to that effect) was aimed more at DBV & co

Nope, thats not what he said.

He said the Irani dropping was harder for him.

So the connection to DBV (assuming said comments were made) is tenuous at this point.

[keep-it-cool]

Given that SG has said (or is supposed to have said) that he considers the Irani Cup dropping sillier than the time GC dropped him .. it is clear that his statement of "nowadays every tom dick and harry plays for india" "selectors let you play sometimes and not sometimes depending on their mood" (or whatever to that effect) was aimed more at DBV & co

Nope, thats not what he said.

He said the Irani dropping was harder for him.

So the connection to DBV (assuming said comments were made) is tenuous at this point.

No. He said that this was harder because he did not expect it / see this coming this time. Add to that his comments about his record over the last three series and year .. and one can clearly see who he is aiming at.

[kban1]

No. He said that this was harder because he did not expect it / see this coming this time. Add to that his comments about his record over the last three series and year .. and one can clearly see who he is aiming at.

Appreciate your take but there was no "because".

Since I did read the "interview" in Bengali, I do know what he said or purported to have said --as published in the original source.

And his comments about his record this year and past was neither part of a chronological sentence or answer -- comments were made spradically sprinkled over the "interview" - littlle congruence to the narrative you are assuming.

Your conclusion remains tenuous still.

[Libran]

Given that SG has said (or is supposed to have said) that he considers the Irani Cup dropping sillier than the time GC dropped him .. it is clear that his statement of "nowadays every tom dick and harry plays for india" "selectors let you play sometimes and not sometimes depending on their mood" (or whatever to that effect) was aimed more at DBV & co

Nope, thats not what he said.

He said the Irani dropping was harder for him.

So the connection to DBV (assuming said comments were made) is tenuous at this point.

No. He said that this was harder because he did not expect it / see this coming this time. Add to that his comments about his record over the last three series and year .. and one can clearly see who he is aiming at.

He is right , isn't he...
The 2005 episode was something that he could relate to as a non cricketing one..
And for the person who gave him a lifeline, pulling the rug when he had the scores to back him is definitely hard to digest...moreso if Jaffer and Parthiv Patel were given a look in and not Sourav

[keep-it-cool]

No. He said that this was harder because he did not expect it / see this coming this time. Add to that his comments about his record over the last three series and year .. and one can clearly see who he is aiming at.

Appreciate your take but there was no "because".

Since I did read the "interview" in Bengali, I do know what he said or purported to have said --as published in the original source.

And his comments about his record this year and past was neither part of a chronological sentence or answer -- comments were made spradically sprinkled over the "interview" - littlle congruence to the narrative you are assuming.

Your conclusion remains tenuous still.

Wow. Really stretching it, arent we?

I read from prfsr's translation.

Q: Which was more painful - getting dropped in the Chappel era or for the Irani?
A: Of course Irani. I did not see this coming. It was then I felt. no more.

So now the lack of a "because" between "Irani" and "I" is an issue, is it? Hilarious.

How about these comments from the same interview? (again from prfsr's translation)

I have played badly in just one series. So much for just that? When Tomi, Dick, Harry are being included in the team? Look after the comeback. I have the most runs.

Q: Is this your most difficult decision?
A: Of course. I could not imagine that I would be omitted from the Irani Trophy. I could not sleep for a month, in pain and anger. Why should I be the scapegoat again and again? I just could not accept it.

Some players have not scored much in the last three series. Some players have not scored in 1 year (interviewer - I think that is YS). Some people had more hair styles than they had runs. I asked Sreekanth, will you let me play in peace? He said yes. I have seen a lot. I am chosen as scapegoat in spite of scoring the most runs after my comeback. I cannot take the repeated insults any longer.

Everywhere he refers to being hurt at not being picked for the Irani trophy (not having slept etc), being made a scapegoat despite having scored the most runs after his comeback, being dropped despite scoring most runs over the last three series / year etc.

As far as I remember through all these incidents there is only one selection committee that was involved - the one headed by DBV.

Of course, you could find some more "ifs" and "buts" and "becauses" and "therefores" missing in the above .. I look forward to them.

[keep-it-cool]

Given that SG has said (or is supposed to have said) that he considers the Irani Cup dropping sillier than the time GC dropped him .. it is clear that his statement of "nowadays every tom dick and harry plays for india" "selectors let you play sometimes and not sometimes depending on their mood" (or whatever to that effect) was aimed more at DBV & co

Nope, thats not what he said.

He said the Irani dropping was harder for him.

So the connection to DBV (assuming said comments were made) is tenuous at this point.

No. He said that this was harder because he did not expect it / see this coming this time. Add to that his comments about his record over the last three series and year .. and one can clearly see who he is aiming at.

He is right , isn't he...
The 2005 episode was something that he could relate to as a non cricketing one..
And for the person who gave him a lifeline, pulling the rug when he had the scores to back him is definitely hard to digest...moreso if Jaffer and Parthiv Patel were given a look in and not Sourav

Of course I agree with you... this dropping was more difficult to explain. That is what I was tell kban .. he was referring to this non selection by DBV

[kban1]

No. He said that this was harder because he did not expect it / see this coming this time. Add to that his comments about his record over the last three series and year .. and one can clearly see who he is aiming at.

Appreciate your take but there was no "because".

Since I did read the "interview" in Bengali, I do know what he said or purported to have said --as published in the original source.

And his comments about his record this year and past was neither part of a chronological sentence or answer -- comments were made spradically sprinkled over the "interview" - littlle congruence to the narrative you are assuming.

Your conclusion remains tenuous still.

Wow. Really stretching it, arent we?

I read from prfsr's translation.

Q: Which was more painful - getting dropped in the Chappel era or for the Irani?
A: Of course Irani. I did not see this coming. It was then I felt. no more.

So now the lack of a "because" between "Irani" and "I" is an issue, is it? Hilarious.

How about these comments from the same interview? (again from prfsr's translation)

I have played badly in just one series. So much for just that? When Tomi, Dick, Harry are being included in the team? Look after the comeback. I have the most runs.

Q: Is this your most difficult decision?
A: Of course. I could not imagine that I would be omitted from the Irani Trophy. I could not sleep for a month, in pain and anger. Why should I be the scapegoat again and again? I just could not accept it.

Some players have not scored much in the last three series. Some players have not scored in 1 year (interviewer - I think that is YS). Some people had more hair styles than they had runs. I asked Sreekanth, will you let me play in peace? He said yes. I have seen a lot. I am chosen as scapegoat in spite of scoring the most runs after my comeback. I cannot take the repeated insults any longer.

Everywhere he refers to being hurt at not being picked for the Irani trophy (not having slept etc), being made a scapegoat despite having scored the most runs after his comeback, being dropped despite scoring most runs over the last three series / year etc.

As far as I remember through all these incidents there is only one selection committee that was involved - the one headed by DBV.

Of course, you could find some more "ifs" and "buts" and "becauses" and "therefores" missing in the above .. I look forward to them.

There are no ifs buts and maybes.

The interview in its original form is unstructured --Sg rambles about various topics, including his outbursts as prsr translated.

You are reading parts and weaving a narrative by filling in the blanks, Saying if he said, x, y and z, we know where the general thrust is.

The fact of the matter is that this is a semi rant by SG where he touches on all things bothering him. His frustration with selectors is evident and he blames selectors for turning the spotlight on him while letting others go free.

In as far as can be read from the comments, he is upset with both the DBV led committe as well as the More led committee. His greater surprise at being left out of Irani is not the cue to string up the conclusion that he is blaming the DBV led selection committee alone as you are making it out to be.

[Cover Point]

the gangulians need to coordinate the translation exercises. All translations should be limited to those who can connect the because's with therefore's and add other words as needed to exonerate SG.

[prfsr]

What are we debating again?

[kban1]

the gangulians need to coordinate the translation exercises. All translations should be limited to those who can connect the because's with therefore's and add other words as needed to exonerate SG.

Expected that you will view this from your school of thought --which is known as fabrication.

Others, who have a tad more integrity in debating will present the story as they see it.

I feel bad that you dont understand or cant read Bengali, and thus are reduced to impotent potshots.

But I do know that you can read English. And anyone who can read English should be able to see the posts above and decipher that the discussion here is not about blaming or exonerating ganguly but deciding whether his ire is directed solely at DBV & Co or selectors in general.

Please try to keep up with the program.

[Cover Point]

the gangulians need to coordinate the translation exercises. All translations should be limited to those who can connect the because's with therefore's and add other words as needed to exonerate SG.

Expected that you will view this from your school of thought --which is known as fabrication.

Others, who have a tad more integrity in debating will present the story as they see it.

I feel bad that you dont understand or cant read Bengali, and thus are reduced to impotent potshots.

But I do know that you can read English. And anyone who can read English should be able to see the posts above and decipher that the discussion here is not about blaming or exonerating ganguly but deciding whether his ire is directed solely at DBV & Co or selectors in general.

Please try to keep up with the program.

I did not say that anyone mistranslated. I was commenting on the usage of 'because' and going off of KIC's comment on the minor nuances

[kban1]

the gangulians need to coordinate the translation exercises. All translations should be limited to those who can connect the because's with therefore's and add other words as needed to exonerate SG.

Expected that you will view this from your school of thought --which is known as fabrication.

Others, who have a tad more integrity in debating will present the story as they see it.

I feel bad that you dont understand or cant read Bengali, and thus are reduced to impotent potshots.

But I do know that you can read English. And anyone who can read English should be able to see the posts above and decipher that the discussion here is not about blaming or exonerating ganguly but deciding whether his ire is directed solely at DBV & Co or selectors in general.

Please try to keep up with the program.

I did not say that anyone mistranslated. I was commenting on the usage of 'because' and going off of KIC's comment on the minor nuances

The only difference between KIC and me here is that KIC feels all of the ire is directed against DBV and co. That is not the case IMO --he is just frustrated with the entire lot based on what has been published.

[Cover Point]

the gangulians need to coordinate the translation exercises. All translations should be limited to those who can connect the because's with therefore's and add other words as needed to exonerate SG.

Expected that you will view this from your school of thought --which is known as fabrication.

Others, who have a tad more integrity in debating will present the story as they see it.

I feel bad that you dont understand or cant read Bengali, and thus are reduced to impotent potshots.

But I do know that you can read English. And anyone who can read English should be able to see the posts above and decipher that the discussion here is not about blaming or exonerating ganguly but deciding whether his ire is directed solely at DBV & Co or selectors in general.

Please try to keep up with the program.

I did not say that anyone mistranslated. I was commenting on the usage of 'because' and going off of KIC's comment on the minor nuances

The only difference between KIC and me here is that KIC feels all of the ire is directed against DBV and co. That is not the case IMO --he is just frustrated with the entire lot based on what has been published.

in addition he (and I ) believe that he DID call out his team mates ... as in Dhoni... with that hair cut comment. That was not a metaphor.

[hastalavistababy]

the gangulians need to coordinate the translation exercises. All translations should be limited to those who can connect the because's with therefore's and add other words as needed to exonerate SG.

In one thread you called yourself uneducated.

Kya Re Ye educated-uneducated, uneducated-educated Bola,
Yek Pe Rahana Ya uneducated Bolo Ya educated Bolo

[Cover Point]

the gangulians need to coordinate the translation exercises. All translations should be limited to those who can connect the because's with therefore's and add other words as needed to exonerate SG.

In one thread you called yourself uneducated.

Kya Re Ye educated-uneducated, uneducated-educated Bola,
Yek Pe Rahana Ya uneducated Bolo Ya educated Bolo

you wont understand it

[cricinfo]

the gangulians need to coordinate the translation exercises. All translations should be limited to those who can connect the because's with therefore's and add other words as needed to exonerate SG.

In one thread you called yourself uneducated.

Kya Re Ye educated-uneducated, uneducated-educated Bola,
Yek Pe Rahana Ya uneducated Bolo Ya educated Bolo

you wont understand it

Identity-crisis...same kind of stuff from which Goru Greg suffers

[Cover Point]

the gangulians need to coordinate the translation exercises. All translations should be limited to those who can connect the because's with therefore's and add other words as needed to exonerate SG.

In one thread you called yourself uneducated.

Kya Re Ye educated-uneducated, uneducated-educated Bola,
Yek Pe Rahana Ya uneducated Bolo Ya educated Bolo

you wont understand it

Identity-crisis...same kind of stuff from which Goru Greg suffers

why are you under crisis?

[cricinfo]

the gangulians need to coordinate the translation exercises. All translations should be limited to those who can connect the because's with therefore's and add other words as needed to exonerate SG.

In one thread you called yourself uneducated.

Kya Re Ye educated-uneducated, uneducated-educated Bola,
Yek Pe Rahana Ya uneducated Bolo Ya educated Bolo

you wont understand it

Identity-crisis...same kind of stuff from which Goru Greg suffers

why are you under crisis?

more you write , you cut a sorry figure of yourself....basically trouble comprehending simple sentences ...same as Chappal 

[prfsr]

The problem is...he has already got the answer.......he is just framing the questions.

Very true! As bad as the timing was for a reporter to publish off-the-record comments, for DBV to say "He'll get more than he asked for" is despicably petty.

His (DBV) task of supplying an appropriate response answering why SG was dropped from the Iranis is difficult after seeing SG bat in test 1. DBV better hope that SG fails in the next 3 tests. 

[Cover Point]

the gangulians need to coordinate the translation exercises. All translations should be limited to those who can connect the because's with therefore's and add other words as needed to exonerate SG.

In one thread you called yourself uneducated.

Kya Re Ye educated-uneducated, uneducated-educated Bola,
Yek Pe Rahana Ya uneducated Bolo Ya educated Bolo

you wont understand it

Identity-crisis...same kind of stuff from which Goru Greg suffers

why are you under crisis?

more you write , you cut a sorry figure of yourself....basically trouble comprehending simple sentences ...same as Chappal 

and why do you have such trouble? And no I dont feel sorry for you.

[cricinfo]

the gangulians need to coordinate the translation exercises. All translations should be limited to those who can connect the because's with therefore's and add other words as needed to exonerate SG.

In one thread you called yourself uneducated.

Kya Re Ye educated-uneducated, uneducated-educated Bola,
Yek Pe Rahana Ya uneducated Bolo Ya educated Bolo

you wont understand it

Identity-crisis...same kind of stuff from which Goru Greg suffers

why are you under crisis?

more you write , you cut a sorry figure of yourself....basically trouble comprehending simple sentences ...same as Chappal 

and why do you have such trouble? And no I dont feel sorry for you.

you are now in "naach meri bulbul , paisa milega" mode ...keep up the good entertainment , good to see that i can extract chappalish responses from you ...one after the other (each one more pathetin than the last ) at my own will