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Sourav Ganguly writes to Ratan Tata on Singur
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Sourav Ganguly writes to Ratan Tata on Singur
Indo-Asian News Service
Thursday, October 02, 2008, (Kolkata)


Former Indian cricket skipper Sourav Ganguly, a local hero, on Thursday urged Tata group chief Ratan Tata not to shift the Nano factory out of West Bengal and instead ensure that the small car was produced at Singur.

"Sourav has written to Ratan Tata, urging him to see to it that the Nano rolled out of Singur," Ashok Bhattacharya, state minister for municipalities and urban affairs, said in Kolkata.

"Sourav told me he has written to Tata that the majority of people in Singur and the rest of the state were in favour of Tata Motors' Singur project. He has also mentioned the massive employment opportunities that the project will provide to the people of Singur and elsewhere," said Bhattacharya, known for his closeness to the cricketing icon.

Ganguly's missive to Tata comes a day before the industrialist is to meet Chief Minister Buddhadeb Bhattacharjee at the state secretariat here in a last-ditch attempt to produce the car at the Singur factory, where the company suspended work exactly a month back - September 2 - fearing the safety of its workers.

Ironically, it was on the same day - Sep 2 - that Ganguly had come out in support of the project calling upon people to stand up for the venture, saying it would "revolutionise the industrial prospects of West Bengal".

"The starting of the Nano project will be the beginning of an era in West Bengal which will completely revolutionise the prospect of the state and the future of the youth," Ganguly, a Tata Steel employee, said in that statement.

Originally scheduled to roll out the world's most inexpensive car this month, the project faces uncertainty with the company signalling it was considering a pull-out and talking to other state governments for an alternate location following intense protests by the state's main opposition Trinamool Congress.

The protesters have demanded return of 400 acres to farmers who had to part with their land for the project against their will.

An agreement between the state government and the protesters in the presence of Governor Gopalkrishna *hi as also a compensation package announced by the chief minister have failed to resolve the deadlock.
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Re: Sourav Ganguly writes to Ratan Tata on Singur
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2008, 09:25:14 PM »
Ganguly as a  Tata Steel employee can ask his boss for any thing. I do not have problem with that . He is friend(lota) of a commie(Ashok Bhattacharya) I do not  have problem with that. But  When he supports commie-tata criminal scam I have problem with that And I will say shame on you SG. 
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« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2008, 11:23:13 PM »
Ganguly as a  Tata Steel employee can ask his boss for any thing. I do not have problem with that . He is friend(lota) of a commie(Ashok Bhattacharya) I do not  have problem with that. But  When he supports commie-tata criminal scam I have problem with that And I will say shame on you SG.

I believe Ashok B is some sort of relation (cousin?) of SG.

Also if you read the Bengali papers SG when contacted tried to deflect attention saying he had written as a private citizen and a Tata employee and not too much should be read into his comments (whatever that means).

While SG has a right to express opinions I agree that he is wrong on this and while the project may be good for WB, the shadiness of the deal should be enough to try and stop it.
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« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2008, 11:39:09 PM »
But  When he supports commie-tata criminal scam I have problem with that And I will say shame on you SG.

That you call Tata a criminal shows the level of mental health you have. Didi owes her entire power to the existence of this brand of people among the Bengali populace. Who hold their petty jealousies more important than the welfare of the people.

Good that the criminal has been kicked out. Let others suffer from his wickedness. At least West Bengal has been salvaged. The intellectual Bengali can go back and air his slogans in the now serene airs of Singur -- it's a victory that comes only once every so many months. At sundown they can go back and watch The Dramatist versus The Painter theatre. At daybreak, it'll be time to get back to burning some effigies, and holding some processions for Ganguly. Singur was diverting too much energy from where West Bengalis need to concentrate the protestant talent.
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« Reply #4 on: October 04, 2008, 02:30:55 AM »
Signal of the end of Mamata as a political figure....

Why blame the Tatas when Mamata cannot be seen in any light other than her need to get political mileage out of this pride project for the country
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« Reply #5 on: October 04, 2008, 03:03:46 AM »
Ganguly as a  Tata Steel employee can ask his boss for any thing. I do not have problem with that . He is friend(lota) of a commie(Ashok Bhattacharya) I do not  have problem with that. But  When he supports commie-tata criminal scam I have problem with that And I will say shame on you SG.

I believe Ashok B is some sort of relation (cousin?) of SG.

Also if you read the Bengali papers SG when contacted tried to deflect attention saying he had written as a private citizen and a Tata employee and not too much should be read into his comments (whatever that means).

While SG has a right to express opinions I agree that he is wrong on this and while the project may be good for WB, the shadiness of the deal should be enough to try and stop it.

So u actually believe that Mamata and her goons did a remarkable job in preventing Tata from setting up the plant ?
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Re: Sourav Ganguly writes to Ratan Tata on Singur
« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2008, 11:24:14 AM »
Ganguly as a  Tata Steel employee can ask his boss for any thing. I do not have problem with that . He is friend(lota) of a commie(Ashok Bhattacharya) I do not  have problem with that. But  When he supports commie-tata criminal scam I have problem with that And I will say shame on you SG.

I believe Ashok B is some sort of relation (cousin?) of SG.

Also if you read the Bengali papers SG when contacted tried to deflect attention saying he had written as a private citizen and a Tata employee and not too much should be read into his comments (whatever that means).

While SG has a right to express opinions I agree that he is wrong on this and while the project may be good for WB, the shadiness of the deal should be enough to try and stop it.

So u actually believe that Mamata and her goons did a remarkable job in preventing Tata from setting up the plant ?

I believe that the stopping the shady deal was necessary -- whether they did a remarkable job or not I do not know. Like I said the plant would have been beneficial for WB overall but I strongly believe ends do not justify the means (if I did I would be a CPM supporter!).
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« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2008, 04:23:14 PM »
What's shady about the deal ? did u actually see the content ? perhaps u shud go and visit Pune or Jamshedpur to understand what a Tata plant brings to the local economy ....
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« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2008, 04:50:18 PM »

I believe that the stopping the shady deal was necessary -- whether they did a remarkable job or not I do not know. Like I said the plant would have been beneficial for WB overall but I strongly believe ends do not justify the means (if I did I would be a CPM supporter!).

The professor believes in honest livelihood. He'd rather have the youth of Bengal turn Bihari and line up for railways jobs in AP, perhaps accompanied with a few honest stampedes, than have any truck with something that's shady. Venerable integrity!

The very statement "if I did I'd be a CPM supporter" underlines the fundamental malaise. The whole charade was nothing but jealousy over who reaps brownie points over the state's development. Vivekananda once said -- how much can be achieved if only we stop worrying about who gets the credit. He forgot to add: how much can be destroyed if only we wish to stop anybody else from getting credit. Jealousy rules.


Like they have it: "nijer naak kete porer jatrabhanga" (cut off your own nose to spoil someone else's journey"). It's a very Bengali thing, professor. And you are a true Bengali.
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« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2008, 05:18:37 PM »

I believe that the stopping the shady deal was necessary -- whether they did a remarkable job or not I do not know. Like I said the plant would have been beneficial for WB overall but I strongly believe ends do not justify the means (if I did I would be a CPM supporter!).

The professor believes in honest livelihood. He'd rather have the youth of Bengal turn Bihari and line up for railways jobs in AP, perhaps accompanied with a few honest stampedes, than have any truck with something that's shady. Venerable integrity!

The very statement "if I did I'd be a CPM supporter" underlines the fundamental malaise. The whole charade was nothing but jealousy over who reaps brownie points over the state's development. Vivekananda once said -- how much can be achieved if only we stop worrying about who gets the credit. He forgot to add: how much can be destroyed if only we wish to stop anybody else from getting credit. Jealousy rules.


Like they have it: "nijer naak kete porer jatrabhanga" (cut off your own nose to spoil someone else's journey"). It's a very Bengali thing, professor. And you are a true Bengali.

Dada

I am a  Bengali, true or otherwise. I notice that you said nothing about whether you believe the justifies the means. I will wait for your answer. I will ask you another question -- have you ever had your property taken away "for the greater good". If you have, let's talk. In case it is not obvious, we have.

As for jealousy, have you seen me say one negative thing about Buddhababu's getting IT projects?  In fact I have always commended him for breaking from his party over getting investments. I could not care less about who gets credit. I would actually benefit indirectly from Kolkata and Bengal becoming prosperous.

As far as turning "Bihari" - I am sorry that is truly reprehensible. I have spent large parts of my life in Bihar and I resent the negative stereotype implied. There is nothing wrong with railway jobs. My great grandfather worked in the Railways as did many many other family members. And yes there is nothing wrong in having to work in UP either. If Atulprasad Sen and Dhurjyoti Mukhopadhyay could do it, so can people today.

What I truly hate is the systematic underhand deals with businesses that the CPM have been making all my life. This is a rather big example - likely the biggest. Now you may well be a CPM cadre for all I know, so I have no problem with you or anyone else supporting it.

back2grave: I am aware of the scale of the project. Perhaps you should re-read what I said about the project being beneficial to Bengal.

About what is shady -- please read the papers (I assume you can read Bengali). Read Mamata's claims. Why were her questions not answered? If all she said was ridiculous how come they were not explained away? Why the cloak of secrecy over this great project? Why was it not started on the less fertile lands than where it was chosen? Why was there a civil war over this?

edit: sorry misread AP as UP. Well I have lived in AP as well. So can't sympathize with you there either.

edit 2: perhaps the "if I did I'd be a CPM supporter" was not clear - I should have said "I'd be a communist". I am not  a communist but I am told that any-sacrifice-is-justified-if-it-is-for-the-greater-good is a tenet of communism. Apparently that was the reason behind the killing of thousands (millions?) in the communist Fatherland. This is what I alluded to, and this is what I oppose completely. 
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« Reply #10 on: October 04, 2008, 05:52:20 PM »
prfsr : I did read the papers like u do , and I never clearly understood Mamata's stand except for her own vested interest. Pls don't try to justify all her theatrics. amd pls don't want me to beleive that she woke up one fine day and felt for the 2000 farmers who were unwilling to part their land away. What about those 11,000 who willingly gave up? Were they stupid enough ? The fertile land may be an immediate issue, but on the long run it doesn't merit compared to the jobs and oppurtunities generated by the nano and its ancillery plants. The 2000 odd people who are at best earning 2000 rupees with their paltry land wud have been better off with the plant. Since u hail from Bihar, I guess u r aware of Jamshedpur. If u r not wat telco did to the local economy, go and talk to someone who is from that region.
I'm still not clear wat questions were unanswered to ur beloved DIDI. That they r planning to build malls,pubs and stuff ? The govt did release the plant details way back and it clearly showed the layout of the plant and its ancellary units. What they didn't perhaps disclosed is the terms and agreement. And I honestly beleive that they are entitled to give a subsidy if necessary to get Tata and Nano for Bengal, considering the position we are in terms of industries compared to rest of India. Its not a first time practise, any state wud rather follow that route. And fyi, High Court itself put an injunction on the agreement disclosure.
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« Reply #11 on: October 04, 2008, 06:25:26 PM »
I notice that you said nothing about whether you believe the justifies the means. I will wait for your answer.

For anybody who has any shred of common sense, it's the end that matters. Other than some armchair Bengali Intellectuals, whose claim to fame is that they create rings of cigar smoke, while revelling in the "kemon dilam" destruction of everything that anyone tries to build. It's only these Bengali intellectuals who'll consider their sabjiwallah poet of higher merit than a Dhirubhai Ambani. And that's because the Bengalis have never had to build anything -- their existence is defined by the nitpicking about their neighbor's faults.

I will ask you another question -- have you ever had your property taken away "for the greater good". If you have, let's talk. In case it is not obvious, we have. 

We have never had any property taken away. Because we never had any. We used to have some cultivable land in rural Bengal. Of my father's seven brothers, six of them left their village to look for vocational jobs, because the land couldn't sustain seven of them. My father got ITI trained, just like some of the youth today in Singur, started with a salary of 21 rupees in a defense factory in MP (yes, he had to go there) and three decades later retired with a closing salary of 9000. Which he used to raise our family. There was only one brother who stayed behind in the village, and he's the pooerest of all today. Fortunately, he only had two daughters, who could be married away. If he had two sons, their share of the land would be half, and the share of the misery double. And no, he did never cultivate himself. He got a khet-mazdur do that, because the income was so meagre and labor so excruciating that he found it better to run his own small grocery shop.

As for jealousy, have you seen me say one negative thing about Buddhababu's getting IT projects?  In fact I have always commended him for breaking from his party over getting investments. I could not care less about who gets credit. I would actually benefit indirectly from Kolkata and Bengal becoming prosperous.

One should indeed be so very grateful that you have not criticized everything that Buddhadeb Bhattacharyya has done. It's obvious that there were enough irregularities in every other deal too, and one should just recognize your magnanimity that you didn't drive everybody out. Thanks for reminding us that you had the power to bring other things down too, but have shown great self-restraint. One should never underestimate the power of the Bengali to destroy. Hopefully, Ratan Tata has learnt his lesson now. And others do so too.


As far as turning "Bihari" - I am sorry that is truly reprehensible. I have spent large parts of my life in Bihar and I resent the negative stereotype implied.

The pretensions will never go away. They'll never. Haven't we heard the high idealism of Mamata too that she'll celebrate Ramzan, Durga Puja, and BaraDin, all from the Singur dharna? (And, perhaps, given enough number of episodes, Onam, Pongal, and Baisakhi too!) Is that not what high thinking is! How egalitarian, what broadness of mind! Every child should feel inspired.

What I truly hate is the systematic underhand deals with businesses that the CPM have been making all my life. This is a rather big example - likely the biggest. Now you may well be a CPM cadre for all I know, so I have no problem with you or anyone else supporting it. 

Perhaps your own zamindari land was taken away earlier by the CPM during their land-reform programmes earlier. Is that the reason for the grudge?

I do not have to be a CPM cadre. I just need to have some common sense that an intelligent enemy is better than a foolish friend. The 'reluctant' farmers of Singur haven't realized that. They believe Mamata is their savior. And having driven Tata out, they are the king - the kings that democracy breeds.

Remember the king from Panchatantra? His monkey was so very loyal to him, so unquestionably dedicated, that he trusted nobody else to protect him while he slept, except the monkey. So he gave the monkey his sword to hold while being on guard. The monkey saw a fly come over. He was "honestly" disturbed that that this "underhand" creature would destroy the sleep of his beloved master. He saw the fly sit on his master's neck, and with matchless faithfulness -- mind you, completely untarnished, completely lofty intentions -- hit the fly on his master's neck with the sword.


edit: sorry misread AP as UP. Well I have lived in AP as well. So can't sympathize with you there either.

No sympathy sought. Keep the sympathy for your own kin. They'll need it.

AP is where they have the recruitment headquarters for railways. That's why I had to send them there. I am a Hyderabadi myself.

edit: perhaps the "if I did I's be a CPM supporter" was not clear - I should have said "I'd be a communist". I am not  a communist but I am told that any-sacrifice-is-justified-if-it-is-for-the-greater-good is a tenet of communism. Apparently that was the reason behind the killing of thousands (millions?) in the communist Fatherland. This is what I alluded to, and this is what I oppose completely.

The CPM are not the communists of today. Mamata and people like you are. Who have completely internalized the Marxist philosophy of "keeping everbody equally poor". And the philosophy of "eso bhai, tene namai" (Come brother, let's pull each other down.)
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« Reply #12 on: October 04, 2008, 06:27:45 PM »

I believe that the stopping the shady deal was necessary -- whether they did a remarkable job or not I do not know. Like I said the plant would have been beneficial for WB overall but I strongly believe ends do not justify the means (if I did I would be a CPM supporter!).

The professor believes in honest livelihood. He'd rather have the youth of Bengal turn Bihari and line up for railways jobs in AP, perhaps accompanied with a few honest stampedes, than have any truck with something that's shady. Venerable integrity!


WTF dude?
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« Reply #13 on: October 04, 2008, 06:32:18 PM »
prfsr : I did read the papers like u do , and I never clearly understood Mamata's stand except for her own vested interest.

Let's just agree she is a politician who has tried to stand up against the ruling party, the same way a firebrand lawyer called Jyoti Basu stood up long ago.

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Pls don't try to justify all her theatrics. amd pls don't want me to beleive that she woke up one fine day and felt for the 2000 farmers who were unwilling to part their land away.

Perhaps you want to tell me how you deduced I was doing this? Or is it just  preemptive strike?

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What about those 11,000 who willingly gave up? Were they stupid enough ?

Perhaps. My family gave up land in the early Jyoti Basu days. And I think they were stupid. Well-intentioned but stupid. Maybe these farmers felt the same way. Maybe they were party cadres. Maybe they wanted to sacrifice for the greater good. I do not know, and neither do you. So let's get away from hypotheticals.

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The fertile land may be an immediate issue, but on the long run it doesn't merit compared to the jobs and oppurtunities generated by the nano and its ancillery plants.

So why not compensate them by making an educated guess about what that land would yield in the years to come? Why not give them shares in the company so that they can benefit when the factory makes money?

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The 2000 odd people who are at best earning 2000 rupees with their paltry land wud have been better off with the plant.

Yes that is obvious, and if the idiots do not see that, let's force them anyway, because you and I can decide what is good for them.

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Since u hail from Bihar, I guess u r aware of Jamshedpur. If u r not wat telco did to the local economy, go and talk to someone who is from that region.
I am not from Bihar but I was not raised in a cave so I do know about Jamshedpur. And Durgapur. What is your point? When did I say that the plant would not be financially viable?
 
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I'm still not clear wat questions were unanswered to ur beloved DIDI.

My beloved didi? Mamata is not a relation. Never seen her. Do not have a particularly high opinion of her. Again how you make your inferences is a mystery to me.

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That they r planning to build malls,pubs and stuff ? The govt did release the plant details way back and it clearly showed the layout of the plant and its ancellary units. What they didn't perhaps disclosed is the terms and agreement. And I honestly beleive that they are entitled to give a subsidy if necessary to get Tata and Nano for Bengal, considering the position we are in terms of industries compared to rest of India. Its not a first time practise, any state wud rather follow that route. And fyi, High Court itself put an injunction on the agreement disclosure.

So it is okay to take the land from the people, undercompensate them and not tell them the terms and conditions? Great!

I agree with the need for industry. I disagree with the need for subsidy. But I can live with that as well. I am amused at the phrase "Tata and Nano for Bengal". I was under the impression it would only be in Bengal.

FYI Tata still has the land. It is not clear if the people will get a paisa compensation (Nirupam Sen was non-commital when asked) but the land will not be returned. Ratan Tata has hinted that he might well return when things have cooled down.

Finally let me ask you one question. Why could not the plant be built on less fertile land? It is a very simple question. Please try and give me an honest answer. We can discuss the geography of Bengal and in particular the distribution of fertile land in the state if you like.
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« Reply #14 on: October 04, 2008, 06:35:09 PM »
I notice that you said nothing about whether you believe the justifies the means. I will wait for your answer.

For anybody who has any shred of common sense, it's the end that matters.

End of discussion! Thank you.
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« Reply #15 on: October 04, 2008, 06:40:49 PM »

End of discussion! Thank you.

Mamata's honest queries were not answered. Hopefully, yours were!

Let's send Mamata to the save the farmers of other states now. The "deprived" souls from those places are begging for a savior to emerge. They'll welcome her with open arms. Let's spread the "people's revolution" to all nook and corner. Hail the neo-communists!
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« Reply #16 on: October 04, 2008, 06:42:35 PM »
prfsr, i have paid only passing attention to the whole project. as a neutral party who thinks mamata is mostly a theatrical lady, I'm wondering if you could explain why this deal was shady?
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« Reply #17 on: October 04, 2008, 06:49:19 PM »
prfsr, i have paid only passing attention to the whole project. as a neutral party who thinks mamata is mostly a theatrical lady, I'm wondering if you could explain why this deal was shady?

Dex,
Mamata is a failed politician. Enough said. 

The deal was shady because as back2grave said the terms were never disclosed and also it was never clear why the factory had to be constructed on fertile agricultural land when there was less fertile land not that far away (WB is not a big state). Was it just coincidence that this pocket was not a stronghold of CPM?  It was expected the factory was going to make a lot of money. Were the land owners being appropriately compensated? How was the compensation calculated?

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« Reply #18 on: October 04, 2008, 06:51:57 PM »
And fyi, High Court itself put an injunction on the agreement disclosure.

So it is okay to take the land from the people, undercompensate them and not tell them the terms and conditions? Great!

I agree with the need for industry. I disagree with the need for subsidy. But I can live with that as well. I am amused at the phrase "Tata and Nano for Bengal". I was under the impression it would only be in Bengal.

FYI Tata still has the land. It is not clear if the people will get a paisa compensation (Nirupam Sen was non-commital when asked) but the land will not be returned. Ratan Tata has hinted that he might well return when things have cooled down.

Finally let me ask you one question. Why could not the plant be built on less fertile land? It is a very simple question. Please try and give me an honest answer. We can discuss the geography of Bengal and in particular the distribution of fertile land in the state if you like.

prfsr, you dodged the issue of the high court injunction on the disclosure. there is a right to information act clause which bars revelation of all the terms and conditions. in that case, why do you call the deal shady?
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« Reply #19 on: October 04, 2008, 06:54:25 PM »

End of discussion! Thank you.

Mamata's honest queries were not answered. Hopefully, yours were!
Not really, but it was amusing to see your characterization of me! 

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Let's send Mamata to the save the farmers of other states now. The "deprived" souls from those places are begging for a savior to emerge. They'll welcome her with open arms. Let's spread the "people's revolution" to all nook and corner. Hail the neo-communists!

Please go ahead. I will not miss her.
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Re: Sourav Ganguly writes to Ratan Tata on Singur
« Reply #20 on: October 04, 2008, 06:56:26 PM »
And fyi, High Court itself put an injunction on the agreement disclosure.

So it is okay to take the land from the people, undercompensate them and not tell them the terms and conditions? Great!

I agree with the need for industry. I disagree with the need for subsidy. But I can live with that as well. I am amused at the phrase "Tata and Nano for Bengal". I was under the impression it would only be in Bengal.

FYI Tata still has the land. It is not clear if the people will get a paisa compensation (Nirupam Sen was non-commital when asked) but the land will not be returned. Ratan Tata has hinted that he might well return when things have cooled down.

Finally let me ask you one question. Why could not the plant be built on less fertile land? It is a very simple question. Please try and give me an honest answer. We can discuss the geography of Bengal and in particular the distribution of fertile land in the state if you like.

prfsr, you dodged the issue of the high court injunction on the disclosure. there is a right to information act clause which bars revelation of all the terms and conditions. in that case, why do you call the deal shady?

You are absolutely right. That is because I am not a lawyer and I am unfamiliar with the legal details. This is a dg - please go ahead and discuss the case. I will appreciate the information.
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Re: Sourav Ganguly writes to Ratan Tata on Singur
« Reply #21 on: October 04, 2008, 07:04:00 PM »
And fyi, High Court itself put an injunction on the agreement disclosure.

So it is okay to take the land from the people, undercompensate them and not tell them the terms and conditions? Great!

I agree with the need for industry. I disagree with the need for subsidy. But I can live with that as well. I am amused at the phrase "Tata and Nano for Bengal". I was under the impression it would only be in Bengal.

FYI Tata still has the land. It is not clear if the people will get a paisa compensation (Nirupam Sen was non-commital when asked) but the land will not be returned. Ratan Tata has hinted that he might well return when things have cooled down.

Finally let me ask you one question. Why could not the plant be built on less fertile land? It is a very simple question. Please try and give me an honest answer. We can discuss the geography of Bengal and in particular the distribution of fertile land in the state if you like.

prfsr, you dodged the issue of the high court injunction on the disclosure. there is a right to information act clause which bars revelation of all the terms and conditions. in that case, why do you call the deal shady?

You are absolutely right. That is because I am not a lawyer and I am unfamiliar with the legal details. This is a dg - please go ahead and discuss the case. I will appreciate the information.

fine, in that case calling the deal shady without knowing the legal details is jumping the gun, right? 

as for the discussion, on one hand land was acquired for public purposes, on the other hand terms and conditions were not released because it was a "trade secret".  i think the argument from the opposition is trade secrecy and public good do not go hand in hand. i would have bought that argument, till this hc injunction came about.

subsidising business is done everywhere and that is no reason to protest. the whole IT industry is subsidised in india!
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Re: Sourav Ganguly writes to Ratan Tata on Singur
« Reply #22 on: October 04, 2008, 07:07:00 PM »
Following up on Dex' question.

http://www.countercurrents.org/ind-vijayan080106.htm


Singur: Where The Left Turns Right

By Vijayan MJ

08 January, 2007
Tehelka

In the interests of informed debate on issues of prime importance, one should welcome the CPM campaign in the media with its 'truths' stating the official CPM position on the Singur issue. However, there is much that compels us to differentiate between 'facts' and party propa*a.


First: Why Singur? On December 7, Rajya Sabha mp Nilotpal Basu told a delegation that the Tatas had been shown five different plots for the car project. He also said that the company did not want any other plot than the Singur one. Now, is it for a company to decide whether it should get agricultural land or barren land for a factory? Why should any state government allow itself to be blackmailed by a private company?

Second: Why do the Tatas need 1,000 acres for an automobile factory? According to the CPM version, they are buying this land only for a car manufacturing unit. A car unit needs less than a fourth of that area. No one talks about the need to give so much land to a private company for just one project. Or about how the colonial Land Acquisition Act, 1894 — meant to allow the government to acquire land for public purpose — is now being used to forcibly acquire land for a private company. In Orissa (where the Tatas were embroiled in a similar controversy in Kalinganagar), the Tatas have acquired huge tracts of land that they hold but do not use. One sometimes wonders whether they are industrialists or real estate speculators. In the case of Singur, neither the CPM nor the Tatas have tried to justify the demand for so much agricultural land. While CPM leaders like Brinda Karat discuss land acquisition and rehabilitation, they say nothing on the Tata Motors project itself, neither its economics nor the mou agreements and process of finalisation. For all the talk about facts, there is a deep secrecy surrounding the project.

There are several petitions under the Right To Information (rti) Act pending before the local authorities since early 2006 (months before either Medha Patkar or Mamata Banerjee were involved) demanding transparency in the land deals between the Tatas and the state government, especially regarding the farm lands in Singur. The government has not responded to a single one — a clear violation of the rti Act, 2005, which the CPM has supported very vehemently. Unfortunately, till the time the active resistance started, the state government was not willing to give even the people directly affected any information regarding the land acquisition or negotiate rehabilitation proposals.

Regarding the consent of the people, all the nine meetings held were with party representatives and panchayat members but not with any gram sabha or with the project affected. Why? It is required under the 74th Amendment of the Constitution and must happen, even at this late stage. It is clear that no project details were provided to the gram panchayat nor was its consent sought, as reported to a panel for public hearing on October 27, 2006, by Dhud Kumar Dhara, a member of the gram panchayat.

At a press conference in Delhi, Bharati Das of Khaser Beri village said that they did not know about the land acquisition till the police pushed them back from harvesting their fields. Bharati owns only 1.5 acres in Singur, but demands the right to be informed about the project and to be negotiated with on rehabilitation and the benefits to the affected population. The CPM would do well to remember that democracy is not about majority or minority alone and that each member of society has the right to demand transparency, justice and the right to live with dignity.
Bharati's statement along with the injuries on her body will also disprove the cruel joke about the police reacting to the bomb-throwing mobs of the Trinamool Congress.

Third: Of a total 997.11 acres, the government got prior consent from farmers for 586 acres only on the day it fenced the land (before passing the Compensation Award). This data is as per a status report on land acquisition in Singur by the state government. Even this much cannot be accepted as given till those documents are made public. In any case, it's not a question of 100 percent or 99 percent families' consent. There are 347 affidavits submitted by farmers who have not wanted and do not want to give away land. From the very first argument of the majority being in favour of the compensation, the CPM official stance is fixed to one guideline, that of majoritarianism, completely moving away from its past positions.

The number of landholders has also been challenged. The state CPM report itself shows the number of landholders across 635 acres to be 9,020. This shows the small size of the landholdings. Those who defend the project must understand that post-award consent means consent under duress, and that it is not 'Free Prior Informed Consent', a pre-condition that is recommended for large dams and development projects. The fact not mentioned is that most of those dissenting have not even accepted the land acquisition notice under Section 4 of the Land Acquisition Act, 1894. Hence acquisition in their case is ex-parte, on paper.

Fourth: How is it that a party that took a position favouring comprehensive rehabilitation (as against mere compensation) in other projects decided to unilaterally give cash compensation for agricultural land and houses? What happened to the party's position on 'land for land' rehabilitation? Who authorised the state government to decide that the people should take the cash compensation and be satisfied? The CPM should remember that swearing by the two-third majority in the Assembly will do no good as the party was not seeking votes over the Tata factory in Singur.

Fifth: The issue of compensation to share-croppers and landless people has not been remotely resolved. Training for any vocation does not guarantee employment. To offer such training as a complementary economic development activity is appreciable, but to destroy existing agricultural employment and offer 'training' is nothing but a scam. What would the families do with cash? Absentee landlords may invest in some trade but will cultivators be able to purchase land of the same quality, of what area, where and when?

The state that the CPM claims is a people's state, does not even have a rehabilitation policy. West Bengal should instead opt for a state-level Rehabilitation Act for the minimum displacement that may occur for projects that would be justified and conceded to by the affected people.
Its vicious response to its critics has exposed the CPM more than anything else. To call activists like Medha "the leaders of what are nowadays called social movements", and dismiss critics as "fascists" does not suit a party which till last month was busy organising the India Social Forum with the same 'civil society groups'. Until recently, senior party members were on the pavement with the same Medha Patkar when she was on a fast over the Narmada issue. At the time, they seemed to enjoy the attention of TV cameras and made the most fiery of speeches. Why should those ousted from Singur not have the same rights as the displaced of the Narmada Valley? What does this do to the party's claim to be fighting neo-imperialism? Are some oppressors better than others, even if the brutality they unleash is the same?

Singur, as far as the West Bengal government is concerned, is only the start. The Haripur nuclear plant, for which about 18 sq km of land is to be acquired from traditional fishworkers, is next in line. It will not be surprising to find Comrades Brinda and Yechury opposing the nuclear plant at Koodamkulam while shouting the opposition down in favour of the Haripur plant. Are we to look forward to the day when the state government will accept an offer by Dow Chemicals to start a unit in West Bengal? Will the CPM then delegate its Politburo members to disseminate state propa*a to persuade us that it is right for them to accept the offer of this successor of Union Carbide, which killed more than 20,000 people in Bhopal? Or will we be told that Bhopal was a figment of our imagination — that it never happened?

CPM comrades can ignore the fact that black flags were flying outside most houses in Singur prior to the night of December 6 when party cadres removed them. They are free to believe that the local people were so excited about giving up their land for such a great development project that they went to the extent of organising pro-Tata and pro-Buddhadeb rallies in Singur and Kolkata. Like the West Bengal chief minister, leaders like Brinda Karat are free to believe that Medha Patkar's visiting Singur would have created a serious law and order problem, which is why she was denied permission. The party is also free to believe that the 'facts' they have produced about Singur are the absolute truth and not propa*a. But none of us will have the freedom or right to differ from what the CPM believes — and if we do, we will be arguing against industrialisation.

The CPM's Singur fact-sheet reminds us of a similar campaign released by the Gujarat government when the nba, with the Left's support, was opposing the Sardar Sarovar dam; and also of a 'fact-sheet' that has now been issued by the Chhattisgarh government defending the violence by the Salva Judum.

The CPM and its comrades should remember the words of James Bovard: "Democracy must be something more than two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner." However, the actions of party leaders suggest that the era of enlightened despots is back. The CPM is not just right, the CPM is THE right, and since they are the arbiters of 'the good of the people' — because they are agitating on the streets as well as sitting in government — there's no place for any real criticism.

Vijayan is associated with the Delhi Forum, a coordination centre for people's movements
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Re: Sourav Ganguly writes to Ratan Tata on Singur
« Reply #23 on: October 04, 2008, 07:11:01 PM »
fine, in that case calling the deal shady without knowing the legal details is jumping the gun, right? 
No, because one could discuss the broad terms without necessarily revealing every figure to the nearest rupee or reveal trade secrets. Also injunctions prove nothing - they are usually requests for time for the legal process to carry itself out. That would be fine if construction waited for the process.

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as for the discussion, on one hand land was acquired for public purposes, on the other hand terms and conditions were not released because it was a "trade secret".  i think the argument from the opposition is trade secrecy and public good do not go hand in hand. i would have bought that argument, till this hc injunction came about.

Please read the article I posted and respond to that as well if you find time.
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Re: Sourav Ganguly writes to Ratan Tata on Singur
« Reply #24 on: October 04, 2008, 07:13:08 PM »

The deal was shady because the terms were never disclosed

And Prakash Karat says the nuclear deal was shady because "the terms were not disclosed". And professor claims he's not a communist man. And Brutus says he's an honorable man.

The difference between Manmohan Singh and Buddhadeb Bhattacharyya was that Manmohan Singh had the guts to act when push came to shove. And Buddhadeb Bhattacharyya didn't. Perhaps it's no wonder that Manmohan Singh is not a Bengali.

and also it was never clear why the factory had to be constructed on fertile agricultural land when there was less fertile land not that far away (WB is not a big state). Was it just coincidence that this pocket was not a stronghold of CPM?  It was expected the factory was going to make a lot of money. Were the land owners being appropriately compensated? How was the compensation calculated?

Indeed, it begs to be asked why couldn't the Tatas be just told to set up their factory in the Himalayas? The land there is completely mountainous, and I hope, consequently, infertile. Besides, there would be no land disputes. Though I can't completely rule out Mamata and the intellectuals shedding tears for the wild animals who'd be evicted if the factory were to be set up in the Himalayas. I think first of all we needed to make proper rehabilitation centers for the wild animals, and till that is achieved, a dharna and an "andolan" would have been the most appropriate thing.

Hopefully, now that the factory is gone, the land will be promptly returned to the joyous 'reluctants'. Mind you, there were 13000 owners for 997 acres of land. Which amounts to 310 square meters per owner. Which is about an 18 m x 18 m plot of land, which would not have fetched even ten thousand rupees, sold alone. Hopefully, once the land is returned, the "deprived" reluctant farmer cultivates away to glory!
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Re: Sourav Ganguly writes to Ratan Tata on Singur
« Reply #25 on: October 04, 2008, 07:13:49 PM »
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prfsr : I did read the papers like u do , and I never clearly understood Mamata's stand except for her own vested interest.         
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Let's just agree she is a politician who has tried to stand up against the ruling party, the same way a firebrand lawyer called Jyoti Basu stood up long ago.

How convenient, so now u justify her action to counter wat Jyoti Basu did some billion years ago ? I wud like u to do a reality check and feel the pulse of the bengali youth and the current generation who were frustrated for lack of job and industries in bengal. We are here not to go back years and condone jyoti babu's action and deeds. Yes, I agree he screwed the state bigtime, but that doesn't give right to Mamta to do the same. Times have changed since and I think majority of people in Bengal are not willing to look back. So its kind of ridiculous when u say that she did by stepping into jyoti babu's footsteps.
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Pls don't try to justify all her theatrics. and pls don't want me to believe that she woke up one fine day and felt for the 2000 farmers who were unwilling to part their land away.

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Perhaps you want to tell me how you deduced I was doing this? Or is it just  preemptive strike?

duh! ... Wat else can I deduct when u r supporting her stand ok kicking Tata's out of the state ?
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What about those 11,000 who willingly gave up? Were they stupid enough ?

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Perhaps. My family gave up land in the early Jyoti Basu days. And I think they were stupid. Well-intentioned but stupid. Maybe these farmers felt the same way. Maybe they were party cadres. Maybe they wanted to sacrifice for the greater good. I do not know, and neither do you. So let's get away from hypotheticals.

Again, don't drag the discussion back 3 decades. Funny that u feel 11000 people are party cadres who gave away their land willingly, only 2000 loyal mamata workers didn't .... ooh wait, isn't Singur represented by a Trinamul mla ?
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The fertile land may be an immediate issue, but on the long run it doesn't merit compared to the jobs and opportunities generated by the nano and its ancillery plants.

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So why not compensate them by making an educated guess about what that land would yield in the years to come? Why not give them shares in the company so that they can benefit when the factory makes money?

No one can give company shares, I'm not it ever happened anywhere in India in recent year.Perhaps u can enlighten me on that. The last package offered by the Govt was well worth the money. And moreover, the land was leased and not taken away.

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The 2000 odd people who are at best earning 2000 rupees with their paltry land wud have been better off with the plant.

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Yes that is obvious, and if the idiots do not see that, let's force them anyway, because you and I can decide what is good for them.

Yes, that shud be it when 11000 party workers forsee it. Budhha did miss the bus by taking a soft stance on this entire issue.

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Since u hail from Bihar, I guess u r aware of Jamshedpur. If u r not wat telco did to the local economy, go and talk to someone who is from that region.
I am not from Bihar but I was not raised in a cave so I do know about Jamshedpur. And Durgapur. What is your point? When did I say that the plant would not be financially viable?
 
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I'm still not clear wat questions were unanswered to ur beloved DIDI.

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My beloved didi? Mamata is not a relation. Never seen her. Do not have a particularly high opinion of her. Again how you make your inferences is a mystery to me.

Thank God u clarified it, for a moment I thought otherwise reading ur post.

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That they r planning to build malls,pubs and stuff ? The govt did release the plant details way back and it clearly showed the layout of the plant and its ancellary units. What they didn't perhaps disclosed is the terms and agreement. And I honestly beleive that they are entitled to give a subsidy if necessary to get Tata and Nano for Bengal, considering the position we are in terms of industries compared to rest of India. Its not a first time practise, any state wud rather follow that route. And fyi, High Court itself put an injunction on the agreement disclosure.

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So it is okay to take the land from the people, undercompensate them and not tell them the terms and conditions? Great!

I agree with the need for industry. I disagree with the need for subsidy. But I can live with that as well. I am amused at the phrase "Tata and Nano for Bengal". I was under the impression it would only be in Bengal.

FYI Tata still has the land. It is not clear if the people will get a paisa compensation (Nirupam Sen was non-commital when asked) but the land will not be returned. Ratan Tata has hinted that he might well return when things have cooled down.

Finally let me ask you one question. Why could not the plant be built on less fertile land? It is a very simple question. Please try and give me an honest answer. We can discuss the geography of Bengal and in particular the distribution of fertile land in the state if you like.

Undercompnesate ?? For whom ?? For u who's earning in dollars ?? I again reiterate, the last compensation package was pretty healthy based on the circumstances. You can never compensate someone based on wat will the land price will after 40 yrs or so. I don't see any rationale in it. Talking about the fertile land, why that's the only issue  ?? Both Tata and Govt. stand was the location and accessibility to port and Calcutta. That might not justify, but honestly I give a damn. End of the day, the plant wud have yielded better economical benefit than these farmers wud ever from their paltry lands.
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Re: Sourav Ganguly writes to Ratan Tata on Singur
« Reply #26 on: October 04, 2008, 07:21:50 PM »
Again, for Dex, CPIM claims on the issue from one of its bigwigs

http://www.thehindu.com/2006/12/13/stories/2006121303421100.htm

THE SMEAR campaign against the Communist Party of India (Marxist) and the Left Front Government on the Singur issue has been marked by a remarkable absence of facts. Invective has replaced reason. The political acumen of the critics was on display when a comparison was made between the policies of the Buddhadeb Bhattacharjee Government, which only recently received a two-thirds majority from the people of Bengal, and the United States occupation of Iraq. So many wild allegations and fabrications have been hurled at the CPI(M) and the Left that it becomes necessary to put the record straight. In respect of consultation, consent, compensation, and concern for employment generation, Singur stands in favourable contrast to what is being done in other States.

Untruth No 1: The common theme for the charge of double standards is that while the CPI(M) opposes `forcible' acquisition of land elsewhere, in Singur its Government has done just that. According to them, "50-60 per cent of land is not sold and [the] majority of landholders in thousands are against the compulsory land acquisition and transfer of land and livelihood to the corporate."

Fact: Of the 997 acres required, the Government has received consent letters from landowners for 952 acres. Three fourths of the 12,000 persons involved, including sharecroppers, have collected the share of the total compensation amount of Rs.131.49 crore and others are waiting to do so. The large numbers involved point to the fragmentation of the plots compared with other States where there are no land ceilings and where the same amount of land would have less than one third of the number of persons. This process has been going on under the public gaze for the last three months in a claims office set up in the area, with not a single complaint that it has been anything but democratic and transparent. Indeed this is the one government that has had numerous meetings with the affected people and called all party meetings several times to discuss the details of the project, the nature of land being taken over, and the compensation package.

Untruth No. 2: "There is no compensation policy for the landless agricultural workers, unrecorded sharecroppers and rural households who are indirectly dependent for their lives and livelihood on land and agricultural activities."

Fact: It is well recognised that West Bengal under the Left has ensured registration of the majority of sharecroppers through a bitter struggle. In Singur, all the 275 sharecroppers will get 25 per cent of what landowners will get; and 170 more sharecroppers who are not registered have applied for compensation, which is under consideration.

West Bengal agriculture is characterised by a relatively high share of family labour on self-owned farms. That is why the vast majority of workers in the area earn their income through non-agricultural work. Government records for the five areas where land is being taken put the number of workers involved in non-agricultural work at around 7,700, including 1,000 women. Another 700 are involved in some type of household industry. Not surprisingly, the number of agricultural workers, around 1,230, is much less; and most of them have to do other work to ensure a minimum income. The Government has ensured alternative work for them. Already in that area, over 7,500 person-days of employment have been generated in the last few weeks. Employment for local workers will also be created in canal renovation, road widening, fence and building construction, and other activity. The Left Front Government is the only one in the country that has initiated different types of training programmes for landless workers and land losers, 1,800 of whom have already registered in different programmes. The effort is to ensure that alternative work and livelihood is ensured.

Untruth No. 3: Singur land is prime agricultural land. While the CPI(M) opposes the acquisition of prime agricultural land in other States, in West Bengal it is doing the same thing.

Fact: According to Government records, approximately 90 per cent of the land is single crop. 175.5 acres of fertile land in the command area of the deep tube wells have been excluded and less fertile land included. Land has been changing hands faster in Singur than in any other part of West Bengal. Over the last year or so, there have been 572 private land transactions of approximately 300 acres of land, at one-third the rate given as compensation in the Singur project. This is the opposite of what is happening in other States, where land is being acquired from the peasantry at less than the market price. According to Census data, the share of fallow land, wasteland, pastures and so on is only 1 per cent in West Bengal compared with the national average of 17.6 per cent. Clearly, for taking forward agricultural growth, expanding employment opportunities in agriculture, and ensuring industrialisation, a proper land use policy is essential. The State Government is preparing precisely this.

Untruth No. 4: "There was unheard of and unprecedented police brutality on December 1 — women are being sexually abused, their clothes torn off and children drowned in the local water bodies. Police had fired, several people are injured. [The] CPI(M) cadre are wearing police uniforms and terrorising the people."

Fact: This constitutes a cluster of fabrications so outrageous and so far removed from the truth that nobody takes them seriously. The report of the NGO `fact-finding' team cannot name a single child thrown in a water body nor one woman who was sexually abused. If there was brutal beating and repression, surely there would have been scores of people with fractured limbs and broken heads who would have no doubt been paraded before the media as proof. If there were police excesses the Government must take action. But as the women of Singur told me, in all these months when the process of giving consent was on, there was not a single policeman in their village. On the contrary, they said, 20 houses of those who had given land to the Government were damaged. Members of the Krishi Jami Raksha Samity (KJRS), an alliance of 19 parties ranging from the Right to the ultra-Left led by the local TMC MLA, tried to prevent the fencing work. Bombs were thrown at the police, which chased the crowd into the village, lathi-charged, and tear-gassed them.

When 12,000 directly affected people have given their consent and collected their compensation, it is clear that those who are involved in the violent protests, which are politically motivated, have little to do with the interests of those affected. The land has to be fenced off and the Government will be shirking its responsibility by not doing so. As the Chief Minister has said, it is unfortunate that the police had to use force against the demonstrators; but it is doubtful that a force attacked with bombs will respond differently anywhere.

The question arises: why Section 144? Why prevent people from visiting the area? Why the police force? The provisions apply to all parties, including the CPI(M). However, the critics have double standards.

When the CPI(M) and its Kisan Sabha organised a demonstration in the villages earlier in November before Section 144 was imposed, it was described by the KJRS as "intimidation." When bombs are thrown at policemen and women, it is the democratic right to protest! The West Bengal Assembly was opened for two days to the general public and a hundred thousand people went inside to see the damage and vandalism of the State Assembly by TMC MLAs.

West Bengal has seen the havoc and violence wrought by a politically frustrated Opposition. Singur is their target. Those being mobilised are not the peasants or workers affected by the project — but others led by the Opposition. Such a situation is likely to lead to counter protests, causing a law and order problem. Hence the use of Section 144. The sooner this is lifted, the better it will be but that is an assessment the Government will have to make.

The Left is conscious of the need to defend, consolidate, and advance the agrarian gains of the people of West Bengal. Nevertheless, the leaders of what are nowadays called `social movements' would do well to recognise that a progressive, people-centred social and economic policy cannot proceed if the very process of industrialisation is seen as sinister and alien.

(Brinda Karat is a member of the Polit Bureau of the CPI[M].)


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Re: Sourav Ganguly writes to Ratan Tata on Singur
« Reply #27 on: October 04, 2008, 07:23:52 PM »
And a reply from CPIML

http://www.cpiml.org/liberation/year_2007/January/singur_struggle.html

Singur Struggle

On December 1 and 2, the people of Singur  heroically resisted the fencing-off of their land, and faced brutal repression. Students, activists of social movements -  no one was spared. All were branded as 'outsiders' and beaten up. It seemed like virtual emergency was imposed in Bengal. In Delhi, noted social activist, writers and prominent citizens, shocked at the repression, protested at the CPI(M) Office. But the repression not only continued but was brazenly justified. On December 10, folowing widespread condemnation of the lathicharge and targeted brutalisation of mediapersons covering a CPI(ML) protest on December 8,CM Buddhadeb addressed a gathering on World HumanRights Day (December 10). He declared that the human rights was only for citizens, and the police must be "merciless when dealing with ultras". Having branded all opponents as 'ultras', what has followed is the rape and murder of a young protestor in Singur. Following that, AIPWA held a demonstration at Bengal Bhavan in Delhi, and a 72-hour sit-in is just ending at the district HQ of Chinsurah as we go to press.  We take a look at the questions thrown up by Singur. -- Ed.   


All Roads Lead to Singur in Buddha’s Bengal

-- Dipankar Bhattacharya

Is there at all any case for a debate and agitation over Singur? The CPI(M) leadership would like us to believe there is absolutely none and that the people questioning the great Singur model of industrialisation and rehabilitation are either stupid or mad or driven by ulterior motives. Some members of the CPI(M) Polit Bureau and Central Committee have even attributed the parentage of the whole campaign to defend the people’s right to their land and livelihood to corporate rivals of the Tata group. For the Left Front government of West Bengal, the campaign is of course just another law and order problem that the state must crush by all means. The Chief Minister has proudly declared that nobody would be allowed to touch the tip of a single hair on Tata’s head. Singur has been sealed off from the rest of West Bengal by an unprecedented extension of Section 144 to cover every road that could remotely be suspected of ‘approaching’ Singur and stop all persons who seemingly have ‘malicious intent’ writ large on their faces!

Beyond West Bengal, Kerala and Tripura, wherever the CPI(M) is not in power, it asserts its right to question and oppose attempts by various state governments to forcibly acquire agricultural land in the name of setting up industries or SEZs. No problems with that, but should not the CPI(M) then tell us how it is following a different course in states where it is in power? Before Singur, the CPI(M) said it would indeed follow a different course.It would not acquire fertile agricultural land. And before acquiring any land, it would take not only the landowning peasants but also other landless toilers whose livelihood depended on the concerned plot of land into confidence. Singur has proved each of these assurances absolutely hollow.

 
Singur in Hooghly district lies at the heart of the green revolution belt of West Bengal; it is precisely the kind of area that the Left Front government showcased till the other day as the biggest success story of agriculture under Left Front rule in West Bengal, in fact industrialisation was supposed to proceed by consolidating the gains achieved on the agricultural front. But now the CPI(M) tells us that it is imperative to sacrifice the fertile farm land of Singur at the altar of industrialisation simply because the Tatas have chosen this area. To downplay the extent of loss to agriculture, the state government is claiming that more than 90 per cent of the land acquired is monocrop. That is of course some concession to the truth, for the powers that be could just as well declare the whole land barren and fallow! But what do the sharecroppers and agricultural labourers of Singur have to say about this? They will tell you that it is mischievous to talk about such generously endowed land producing just one crop a year. The truth is that the area has excellent irrigation facilities and produces four or even five crops a year, has as many as four cold-storage centres and attracts agricultural labour even from neighbouring Bardhaman district during days of busy agricultural operations.

As for taking the concerned local people into confidence, we know it from none other than Jyoti Basu that the local peasant association secretary of the CPI(M) was literally caught napping at home when the local women chased away the combined team of government officials and Tata Motors representatives. The mammoth CPI(M)-led peasant organisation with a claimed membership of 1.5 crore in West Bengal alone and the celebrated panchayati raj machinery of West Bengal were nowhere to be seen on the ground ‘convincing’ the agricultural population of Singur that the time had come for them to move on from the drudgery and misery of agriculture to the comfort and security of living off interest income by depositing the jackpot of ‘compensation’ in a bank! Even according to the status report released by the West Bengal government it is clear that out of 997.11 acres of land acquired by the government, ‘prior consent’ for 586 acres was obtained only on the day the land was fenced off while for another 411.11 acres no consent had been obtained till the publication of the report (TOI, 16 December, 2006).
And how was this partial ‘consent’ manufactured? Meetings with landowners started only on 27 May 2006, after the whole world had known and even seen how the peasant women of Singur – ‘armed with brooms’ – had sent out ‘the wrong signal’ by chasing away the Tata team. The meetings happened first at the DM’s bungalow and the venue was later shifted to Kolkata, but nothing concrete emerged from these meetings and the ‘consent’ could only be obtained in the ‘benign and gracious’ presence of the police, who were incidentally raining lathis and firing tear gas shells and rubber bullets. A two-year-old girl detained in police custody and implicated in criminal cases, women harassed and tortured, sixty-year-old peasants beaten up and humiliated, not to mention the injuries suffered by student and peasant activists, and now this ghastly rape and murder of a young woman that even the state government has been forced to refer for a CBI probe – is this the CPI(M)’s model of participatory democracy at work at the grassroots?
The Land Acquisition Act of 1894 which the West Bengal government has invoked to acquire the Singur land authorises the state to acquire land in public interest and in national emergencies (the colonial rulers needed to set up military cantonments, among other things, following the shock of 1857). It is nothing short of a legal fraud to invoke this Act to acquire land for the purpose of setting up private industries. To camouflage such fraud all state governments use State Industrial Development Corporations as a middleman and the West Bengal government too has done the same thing. But Buddhadev Bhattacharya has surely gone one step ahead by describing the proposed Tata plant as an epitome of public interest. The CPI(M) in power seems to have become oblivious of any demarcation between private interest and public utility!
Reports have it that the CPI(M) now contemplates marketing Singur as a great model in terms of rehabilitation of the displaced and even empowerment of women. Ganashakti, the Bengali daily of the CPI(M) is full of stories telling us how the rural women of Singur are being trained on a war footing to enable them to stitch uniforms for workers of the proposed Tata Motors plant and prepare snacks and fast food to be served at the factory canteen! The CPI(M) ideologues do not however bother to tell us how many land-losers of Singur, if at all, will be absorbed directly as workers in the Tata plant! If we insist on an answer, they might well give us a few lessons in economics and remind us that the job of an industrialist is to maximise his profit and not to create jobs for every Tom, Dick and Harry. Bored with complaints regarding the role of the police, the CPI(M)’s peasant leader and Central Committee member Benoy Konar does something similar. He gives us lessons in statecraft and tells us about the job of the police: “The work of the police is not to make drawings or teach in schools and colleges. The police are the instrument of repression.” (People’s Democracy, December 10, 2006). Well, could Benoybabu tell us what the job of a peasant leader is? Is it just to lure peasants away from their land and agriculture by telling them that the sale value of their land if deposited in bank would yield them an interest income “10-15 times more than that from land.” (Konar in PD, 10.12.06)?
Indeed, the biggest claim of the CPI(M) regarding Singur revolves around the compensation package which we are told is the best on offer to people facing eviction and takes care of all those who are dependent on the land for their livelihood. In her article Singur: just the facts, please published in The Hindu (December 13, 2006), Brinda Karat tells us that the compensation package covers not only the landowners and registered sharecroppers, but even the case of unregistered sharecroppers “is under consideration”. As advised by Brinda, let us look at the facts as furnished by the December 4-10, 2006 issue of People’s Democracy in its editorial Singur: Myth and Reality (Facts submitted before the people’s tribunal held at Singur and collected by non-CPI(M) investigators through extensive interaction with the local people are often at variance with the CPI(M) version of the story, but one guesses that in Bengal in  2006 the CPI(M) alone has the ‘moral’ and political monopoly over the real facts – facts backed by state power and endorsed by major sections of the corporate media – just as perhaps the Congress can be credited to have had its historical monopoly ovr facts in the state in the fifties and sixties when every election used to return it to power!).

The PD editorial tells us that 12,000 landowners and sharecroppers are entitled to receive compensation the total quantum of which has been declared at Rs. 130 crore. The average amount works out to a little over Rs. 1,08,300 – hardly the kind of money that if put away in fixed deposits can yield an interest income “10-15 times more than that from land”! The claim made by Benoy Konar could of course be somewhat realistic for the big absentee landowners (Konar tells us that there are actually two families living abroad), whose current income from land is confined to the 25 per cent share he gets from the sharecropper. But what about the small and marginal farmers and sharecroppers? A sharecropper who is much more attached to and dependent on the land than the absentee landowner will be entitled to only 25 per cent of the compensation received by the latter. If ‘Operation Barga’ saved the sharecropper from being evicted by the landowner and limited the landowner’s share of income to 25% of the produce, the compensation package has now completely reversed the terms. The state evicts the sharecropper and gives him only 25% of what it gives to the landowner! And as for the toiler, the agricultural labourer who puts in the greatest efforts to produce the crop, he becomes even more ‘free’ than before – he is freed from all his erstwhile occupational ties with the land, and in place of the agricultural wages he now gets the consolation of a promise of an alternative avenue of future employment! So the old slogan of ‘land to the tiller’ has now boiled down to land to the buyer, hefty compensation to the absentee owner, token ‘severance’ money for the actual tiller and empty promise for the toiler.

Indeed, there are facts and facts, but there is also something called the truth which has to be sought out on the basis of the facts. And worse still, in a class-divided society, the truth is also divided – the ruler’s truth is often at loggerheads with the truth experienced by the ruled, the gainer’s truth ‘triumphs’ at the expense of the losses suffered by the loser. The truth of the tillers and toilers of Singur cannot be the same as the truth of the Tata Motors and of Buddhadev Bhattacharya who is behaving more like a CEO of the Tatas than an elected Chief Minister of West Bengal. It may be easy to equate the interest of the Tatas (the fact that they want 1,000 acres of fertile farm land at Singur to set up their plant) with the interest of industrial development of West Bengal (industry calls for more and more of private investment and if a big name like the Tatas can be shown to have been ‘attracted’ by West Bengal, it will have a demonstration effect on other potential investors), pit the combined weight of the brand power of the Tatas and the state power wielded by the CPI(M)-led government and paint the opposition put up by the affected people of Singur as an anti-Bengal attempt to halt the progress of the state, but this is a dangerous logic that may boomerang on the very forces of reason and progress.

The CPI(M) has tried its level best to discredit the entire movement over Singur as the handiwork of the Trinamool Congress, as a desperate and disruptive move by a politically frustrated and defeated opposition to foment trouble. By ransacking the Assembly, the TMC MLAs have also provided the CPI(M) with considerable opportunities to try and divert public attention away from Singur. Indeed, the state government made a veritable spectacle of the TMC vandalism in the Assembly encouraging the people to come and see the broken chairs on display even as it sealed off Singur and all the signs of police brutality and the people’s lived experiences behind the protective wall of Section 144! But the courage and determination displayed by the people of Singur in the course of their sustained struggle has been far too powerful to be brushed aside as TMC tantrums against the Tatas or the CPI(M). It is this strength of the popular resistance in Singur which has evoked such widespread public response in West Bengal and beyond.

The CPI(M) is extremely peeved by the solidarity evoked by the Singur struggle. From Medha Patkar to Mahashweta Devi, anybody and everybody questioning the government’s move on Singur – the systematic violation of democracy coupled with complete lack of transparency regarding the terms of the state government’s deal with the Tatas and implications for the local people – has been dubbed an ‘outsider’ and his or her credentials have been subjected to vulgar and vitriolic comments. The nomenclature is indeed quite interesting – for the Left Front government Ratan Tata is an insider while Medha Patkar is an outsider! Sitaram Yechury and Brinda Karat have all the credentials to represent West Bengal in the Rajya Sabha, but Mahasweta Devi who has spent her whole life defending democracy and the struggles and rights of the oppressed and the marginalised becomes an ‘outsider’ to be greeted with a disdainful ‘who-is-Mahasweta’ by the CPI(M) top brass in West Bengal!
The CPI(M)’s constant propa*a regarding ‘outsiders’ raking up trouble in Singur is best rebuffed by field reports from the site of struggle. Of the 54 people arrested in early December on charges of ‘attempted murder’ for their attempt to resist the police and stop the forcible fencing off of the land, as many as 47 are local peasants. There are also reports of murder and rape of local people – Rajkumar Bhul succumbed to injuries sustained during the police attack in late September and the charred body of young Tapasi Malik, brutally raped and killed by the CPI(M) ‘night guards’ in league with the police was discovered in the early hours of December 18. The CPI(M) and the State government of course describe the first incident as a case of natural death and the latter as a suicide! And who are the ‘outsiders’ beaten up and arrested by the police at Singur? They are all known political activists, including Comrades Tapan Batabyal, a state committee member of the CPI(ML)(Liberation) and Bilas Sarkar, an activist of the All India Students’ Association (AISA) from Jadavpur University. What business can Jadavpur University students have in Singur, ask the CPI(M) leaders. The CPI(M)’s paradigm of politics now revolves only around state power and its twin pillars – capital and coercion – and its leaders will surely find it hard to understand why student activists should stand by the people of Singur. We are however proud of our comrades who have held high the revolutionary tradition of Indian communists and braved police repression to forge strong ties of fighting solidarity with the people of Singur.

The CPI(M) should remember that beyond the borders of West Bengal, the ‘outsider’ argument could well boomerang against it every time it might try and raise its voice against another Gurgaon-type assault on workers or Gujarat-type genocide of Muslims. And should power change hands in Bengal, the same might well happen right in West Bengal. History is replete with examples of how opportunist sins of the Left end up paving the way for the revival of right reaction. To understand the implications we need not go any further than West Bengal itself. Some forty years ago peasants in many parts of West Bengal had embarked on a militant struggle to establish their rights over their land. Revolutionary sections within the CPI(M) had sought to raise this struggle to the level of a protracted war for bringing about a revolutionary change in agrarian relations and to usher in, on this basis, a new kind of people’s democracy in India. Naxalbari emerged as the storm centre of this brewing agrarian revolutionary campaign. The CPI(M) as the leading partner of the United Front government then in power in Kolkata played the leading role in unleashing severe state repression on that movement. And soon the reins of repression had passed on to the hands of the Congress and the repression, initially directed against revolutionary communists, generalised to let loose a veritable reign of terror against all Left, progressive and democratic forces. Subsequently, this policy of state terror and repression developed and perfected by the Congress in the laboratory of West Bengal was extended to the whole of the country and democracy was pushed into a state of coma as India experienced her first encounter with Internal Emergency for as many as nineteen months from June 1975 to January 1977.

Singur 2006 is of course vastly different from Naxalbari of 1967. During the Naxalbari days, the whole of West Bengal was passing through a period of upswing in the Left movement. The CPI(M) crushed Naxalbari by saying that peasants had no business linking the question of land to revolution and their demand for land could very well be fulfilled by a Left government in West Bengal. Back in power in 1977 after the semi-fascist interlude of the Emergency, the CPI(M) de-revolutionised the agenda of agrarian reforms and consolidated its grip over governance by implementing a three-point package of reforms and democracy for rural Bengal (redistribution of ceiling-surplus land, Operation Barga and Panchayati Raj).
Things have now come a full circle in West Bengal. The small peasants and sharecroppers of Singur are not demanding a revolution. All that they want is to retain their land and their right to earn their livelihood and live their lives with dignity. But like Naxalbari, Singur too is being crushed by the CPI(M) led state government. During the Naxalbari days, the CPI(M) wanted peasants to stay as peasants and not dare to dream and fight for a revolution. In Singur, the CPI(M) wants to depeasantise the peasantry by making them passive and dispossessed participants in a process of industrialisation that has little connection with the vast untapped and underdeveloped home market lying beyond the islands of urban affluence.
CPI(M)’s land reform and Operation Barga campaigns have long run out of steam in West Bengal. The new agenda is reversal of land reform, depeasantisation, corporate farming, SEZs ... Over the last two decades as the Left Front government of West Bengal has steadily moved towards the neo-liberal agenda, and we have seen signs of unrest among the rural poor, agricultural labourers, and the urban working class engaged in the unorganised and organised sectors of Bengal. We have also seen this disillusionment turn into electoral resentment and this has contributed considerably to the rise of the TMC as a political force and trend in West Bengal. The CPI(M) may have managed to stem the tide by weaning away a section of the Congress base and the upwardly mobile middle class, but the Left Front has clearly lost much of its ‘left’ appeal among large sections of its old support base. Now Singur signals the beginning of the alienation of sharecroppers and small and middle peasantry from the CPI(M), an alienation that clearly has the potential of upsetting the CPI(M)’s three-decade-old applecart in West Bengal. In the West Bengal Assembly, Singur is represented by a TMC MLA, and the TMC being the main opposition party in West Bengal – the fact cannot be wished away even if Buddhadev ridicules it for its small size with a patronising small-is-beautiful certificate – lost no opportunity to cash in on the Singur issue.

Like a power-obsessed ruling party, the CPI(M) may only choose to see Singur as a TMC-inspired conspiracy to destabilise its government, but revolutionary communists cannot but see the simmering and potentially quite explosive peasant discontent that lies underneath. When Ratan Tata becomes an insider for the CPI(M)’s house of power and the dissenting people of Singur are dubbed outsiders, peasants in West Bengal cannot miss the irony of the whole situation. How long will the Bengal peasantry agree to play the role of political extras in a script that revolves around the ‘Buddha-Tata bhai-bhai’   equation? The revival of the land question, albeit in a changed context and on quite different terms, has its obvious implication for the political landscape of Bengal. In Rabindranath’s immortal poem Dui bigha jomi (two bighas of land, written in June 1894, the year the colonial land acquisition act was passed) the ‘Babu’ landlord buys off indebted and impoverished Upen’s last two bighas by exercising his feudal power and reduces him to a pauper. Today the Singur peasants are fighting to save their ‘Do Bigha Zameen’ from the ‘babudom’ driven by the growing Buddha-Tata bonhomie. But if Singur fails, how long will the CPI(M) be able to hold on to its political ‘landholding’ among the Bengal peasantry? For revolutionary communists, the question is not whatever might or would happen to the CPI(M) and its political fiefdom in West Bengal. The point is to radicalise the anger of the peasantry and shape a communist resurgence in West Bengal. Far from making common cause with the TMC, revolutionary communists must step up their independent initiative and efforts and lead a radical realignment of forces within the broad Left and democratic camp to prevent a possible right resurgence in the state. Too much is at stake in Singur, and revolutionary communists cannot be stopped by either repression or malicious disinformation from discharging their political responsibility.

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Re: Sourav Ganguly writes to Ratan Tata on Singur
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Singur represents wider debates of democracy, development
23 Sep, 2008, 0307 hrs IST,Shiv Vishvanathan,
 
Democracy can sometimes become the dialogue of the deaf, where we have a plurality of viewpoints but little conversation or negotiation between these worldviews.

The Singur plant has produced its quota of violence and hysteria but as this phase wraps up, what one feels is a sense of the unsaid. Today we realise that democracy has to be a shareholder and a stakeholder game. I believe it is the slippage between the two that reveals one of the deep problems of Singur as a democratic drama.

Let us treat Singur as a fable of modernisation. Singur is not a history-less struggle. Behind it stands the experiences of Balliapal, Narmada, Singranli. These struggles over industrialisation and modernisation have had a history which is not often found in text books of development.

In fact voice, memory and world view become crucial parts of any Singur-like fable. It needs the literary power and the sociological imagination of a Mahasweta Devi to understand why Singur happened. All too often industrialisation which comes in the guise of a ACC plant or a Birla factory has meant the rape of the countryside. The tribals and peasants who own the land find their way of life marginalised.

The standard terms ‘compensation’ and ‘participation’ don’t do adequate justice to the situation. Compensation as money or as an alternative piece of land does not provide a measure for a way of life. When you lose control of land, you lose control of a way of life.

The decisions that are crucial may be made miles away with little possibility of appeal. Participation is a strange word because what participation invites you to do is to engage in a new and different world. The frames are already different.

Time and again in the history of struggles around displacements created by dams and factories, the defeated and marginalised have been forgotten. It is almost as if any appeal to rights or alternative development falls on deaf ears.

Singur as a struggle claims as members many of the leaders and NGOs who have participated in such struggles. Many sound screechy and fundamentalist but modernisation and progress are also terms which carry their own bag of intolerance. Politics carried out in these names often hide their genocidal quotient.

Now consider the other side of the story. There is India’s most respected firm, the Tatas, led by a dynamic chairman, Mr Ratan Tata. For those who grew up in Jamshedpur, it was the ideal welfare society, India’s Sweden in microcosm.

If you talk to the employees and their children, Jamshedpur comes close to being a living utopia. But if one asked tribals in the Dalma Hills and around the Tata mines at Jarasguda, the sense of exploitation was explicit. Yet Tatas for many was the ideal employer: efficient, considerate, innovative and caring.

During the Singur debate, Ratan Tata made some outstanding arguments. He claimed that the Tata investment in Singur was not a “hypocritical investment.” He added that Tatas were suspending activities because their employees were being intimidated. Safety was always a Tata priority.

At the very beginning of the controversy, Ratan Tata made a profounder point. In a TV interview, he said, there is a choice the local people and we as a society must face. He asked whether we wanted to stay at the level of subsistence. He tacitly recognised subsistence as an option but then added humane, responsible development might be better prospect. Tata added that change was already visible and that as society around Singur changes and industrialises subsistence as a way of life may no longer be feasible.

Let us widen this argument. Tata appears to realise that there are two modes of development, the first, sequential and the other, simultaneous. In one, a tribal or peasant society can change into an industrial society. In the second the tribal and the peasant pursue their alternative paths parallel to industrial development. In the first the tribal is our ancestor, in the second our contemporary. The question is what options do we offer the peasant, tribal and industrial worlds.

For many of the activists and intellectuals associated with the farmers’ struggles, a sequential development is genocidal. It displaces and deculturates populations. This would be the position of a Medha Patkar or a Mahasweta Devi. Mamata emphasises another dimension of this by claiming land cannot be compensated for. She wants agriculture and industry to coexist as ways of life. The above three positions are not Luddite arguments but pleas for plurality.

The CPI(M) argument is less profound and more pragmatic. It is a party that believes in progress and modernisation. For it, the Tata plant is a symbol of progress. The Nano would do for Singur what the railways, according to Marx, did for colonial India: modernise it. The rhetoric is simple, the poetics simpler.

Singur is good for industrial development. The Tatas were farsighted enough to realise that the Marxists were being more open-ended about industrialism. They read Buddhadeb right but misread Mamata’s intransigence. What made the debate murky was violence. Singur became the meeting ground for two of India’s great dissenting imaginations, the anti-development movement and the Naxalite, both confronting a pair of easy bedfellows, the CPI(M) and the Tatas.

Two facts marred the controversy. The first was the violence, the terror and intimidation that CPI(M) and Naxal groups engaged in. But what made Singur a tragedy in the long run is the absence of mediators, translators, negotiators. It was almost as if each position was a recitation rather than an argument. Singur was traumatic gathering of fundamentalisms, unyielding positions on industry, progress, modernisation, development and their social, economic and cultural costs.

The governor’s intervention was welcome. It bought time and has brought to the national stage a welcome figure. Such a mediation, however, was a band-aid one because it still has to differentiate between shareholder and stakeholder loyalty. Secondly, it fails to address the question of violence and how violence, especially of Naxals and CPI(M), contravenes the rules of controversy.

Thirdly, while it focuses on the land issue, it does not create the social audit of development projects many intellectuals and movements which came in support of the Singur protesters, demanded. One has to realise Singur embodies more than Singur. It represents the wider debates of democracy and development. It is an open challenge to party, corporation and the movements to develop new rituals for democratic debate and its resolution.

(The author is an anthropologist)
 
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Re: Sourav Ganguly writes to Ratan Tata on Singur
« Reply #29 on: October 04, 2008, 07:50:09 PM »
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Run Tata Run

Published September 24th, 2008 in Bengal.

Goodbye. Tata. Farewell. Auf Wiedersehn. Goodnight.
Adieu. Adieu. To you. And you. And you.

Vamoose Mera Anmolya “Ratan”. Don’t forget to carry your ugly industrialist designs with you. And please take along Infosys and others with you too. We don’t need your kind here. Didn’t you hear what we just said? Adieu. To you and you and you.

Because we are Bengalis. We hate industrial development. As a matter of fact, we hate industry. Please leave us to our farming and poverty———after all if we don’t have that how will Mrinal Sen, Utpalendu Chatterjee and assorted true-Marxist (as opposed to the bourgeoisie-loving Buddha-babu’s CPM), unwashed-since-Trotsky’s-purge film-makers and “theater-workers” find their subjects?

What will the art college drop-outs, Charminar-smoking modern poets and apprentice pickpockets argue about over tea? What will Aparna Sen and her other cohorts in “Citizen’s Initiatives” talk on their cell-phones about while clutching their vanity bags and their designer shawls? What will Kabir Suman or is it Babur Suman….I keep forgetting….sing and rant about? What will the glorious intellectuals from Jadavpur University and Presidency, with Che Guevara and Fidel “35,000″ women” Castro as their profile pictures, fight over on Orkut communities?

What indeed.

You see, taking away chronic poverty from us is like taking away our hilsa fish. Or taking away Rupa Ganguly. I mean this isn’t Gujarat or Maharashtra. There even when there is opposition to industry, there is room for negotiation. There is room for things like “better deals”. Realizable solutions.

But then again, this is not Gujarat or Maharashtra.

Which means no compromise.

Or as our intellectuals would say “No passaran”.

Not that we Bengalis are an unyielding people. We most certainly are not. On most matters, we roll over and clutch our Gitobitaans and start singing “Aaj kon aalo laaglo chokhe”.

But when it comes to industry and shorsher tel (mustard oil), paraphrasing William Wallace in “Braveheart” —they may take away our afternoon naps but they will never take our ……ability to drive away industries.

Of course now with Singur almost gone (even though the Tatas have started rolling out the machinery and the CPM government offering another Pujo package), Bengal will be facing a new challenge. No not unemployment, flight of jobs and economic stagnation. That we do face but it’s definitely not a challenge. After all there is always “jibonmukhi” gaan and Singi-maacher jhol to keep us company.

The challenge is different: ”what shall we now struggle against?”

As Manomohan Dutta in Satyajit Ray’s “Agantuk” says:

Bangalir oti priyo sobdo. Struggle. [The favorite word of Bengalis is “struggle”]

There are of course some Bangalis who do struggle, in a different way, when industries leave the state. I once read about a town in West Bengal which used to have a number of engineering factories. All of which, in the height of CITU trade unionism, were shut down. The town became a ghost of itself with most people leaving it for other pastures. The story I read was about one man, who for decades would show up to work, on time, and stand in front of the closed factory gate waiting for it to open. Hoping every day that today would be the day when good sense dawns on all and he gets his job back. It never happened.

The problem with this guy was that for some bizarre reason, perhaps because he had nothing else, he had hope. Which in Mamata-devi’s Bangla is perhaps the most dangerous thing to have.

Did I just mention Mamata “Bandh”opadhyaya, the Trinamool supremo and the undisputed lioness of Bengal? The Singur Andolon has truly been her finest hour edging out that marvelous moment when she had sounded the death knell of CPM rule by ringing a gong in Central Kolkata. Verily, this is a knock-out victory for Didi—rarely has her 24 hour rail-rokos and her serial bandhs caused so much damage in one-go for the state than the 80,000 crore loss the closing down of the Nano project will lead to. [ Incidentally, for those who do not know, Trinamool Congress measures their success solely by the economic damage it can cause West Bengal.] If there is anything that shows that Mamata-di is now ready to lead, it has been her consistently demonstrated ability to totally paralyze the state.

Some accuse our peaceful agitators of physically attacking Tata workers at Singur and of blocking the Durgapur Highway and causing untold misery for people. Nothing could be further from the truth. As Becharam Manna of TMC explains:

Trinamool leader in Singur, Becharam Manna, denied intimidation saying “the workers have been urged to leave the factory on their own to express solidarity with us.”

Of course this “urging” may have been rather aggressive but then again as any Naxal-turned-cricket mom-dad intellectual who in the 70s tried to convert Bengal into Cambodia and now lead their lives as professors angling for World Bank funding would tell you—-what’s a revolution, even a Jaipan mixer grinder revolution (remember the ad: We want revolution, Jaipan revolution) without some chopped capitalist liver?

When Bengal started attracting foreign investment a few years ago, I was shocked. And positively uncomfortable. It just didn’t feel right—like when Sourav Ganguly swishes outside the off-stump or when Bappi Lahiri does not wear his jewelery .

But now it seems the order of things just might again been restored.

And for that let us all congratulate Mamata-di, the brave follower of the legendary Leoni Das of yore, who with a band of three hundred Bangalis, all wearing Gallop Hawai chappals , pushed back an entire army of capitalists while shouting to the skies.

This is Banglaaaaaaaaaa !!!

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Re: Sourav Ganguly writes to Ratan Tata on Singur
« Reply #30 on: October 04, 2008, 08:23:36 PM »
And fyi, High Court itself put an injunction on the agreement disclosure.

So it is okay to take the land from the people, undercompensate them and not tell them the terms and conditions? Great!

I agree with the need for industry. I disagree with the need for subsidy. But I can live with that as well. I am amused at the phrase "Tata and Nano for Bengal". I was under the impression it would only be in Bengal.

FYI Tata still has the land. It is not clear if the people will get a paisa compensation (Nirupam Sen was non-commital when asked) but the land will not be returned. Ratan Tata has hinted that he might well return when things have cooled down.

Finally let me ask you one question. Why could not the plant be built on less fertile land? It is a very simple question. Please try and give me an honest answer. We can discuss the geography of Bengal and in particular the distribution of fertile land in the state if you like.

prfsr, you dodged the issue of the high court injunction on the disclosure. there is a right to information act clause which bars revelation of all the terms and conditions. in that case, why do you call the deal shady?

A right to information act clause bars revelation of information?

Could anyone please tell me more about this act?
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« Reply #31 on: October 04, 2008, 08:44:08 PM »
And fyi, High Court itself put an injunction on the agreement disclosure.


So it is okay to take the land from the people, undercompensate them and not tell them the terms and conditions? Great!

I agree with the need for industry. I disagree with the need for subsidy. But I can live with that as well. I am amused at the phrase "Tata and Nano for Bengal". I was under the impression it would only be in Bengal.

FYI Tata still has the land. It is not clear if the people will get a paisa compensation (Nirupam Sen was non-commital when asked) but the land will not be returned. Ratan Tata has hinted that he might well return when things have cooled down.

Finally let me ask you one question. Why could not the plant be built on less fertile land? It is a very simple question. Please try and give me an honest answer. We can discuss the geography of Bengal and in particular the distribution of fertile land in the state if you like.


prfsr, you dodged the issue of the high court injunction on the disclosure. there is a right to information act clause which bars revelation of all the terms and conditions. in that case, why do you call the deal shady?


A right to information act clause bars revelation of information?

Could anyone please tell me more about this act?



http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2008/09/13/stories/2008091352041000.htm

Mr Justice Dipankar Dutta of Calcutta High Court on Friday directed the West Bengal Government not to publish in next two weeks the agreement it entered into with Tata Motors and West Bengal Industrial Development Corporation relating to the manufacture of small cars at Singur plant. The order was passed following writ petition filed by Tata Motors. Tata Motors alleged that the West Bengal Government had violated the relevant provision of the Right to Information Act 2005 in publishing the agreement dated March 9, 2007. The matter shall come up for hearing next week.
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« Reply #32 on: October 04, 2008, 08:45:01 PM »
Spot the intellectual Bengali in the picture!

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« Reply #33 on: October 04, 2008, 09:25:32 PM »
And fyi, High Court itself put an injunction on the agreement disclosure.


So it is okay to take the land from the people, undercompensate them and not tell them the terms and conditions? Great!

I agree with the need for industry. I disagree with the need for subsidy. But I can live with that as well. I am amused at the phrase "Tata and Nano for Bengal". I was under the impression it would only be in Bengal.

FYI Tata still has the land. It is not clear if the people will get a paisa compensation (Nirupam Sen was non-commital when asked) but the land will not be returned. Ratan Tata has hinted that he might well return when things have cooled down.

Finally let me ask you one question. Why could not the plant be built on less fertile land? It is a very simple question. Please try and give me an honest answer. We can discuss the geography of Bengal and in particular the distribution of fertile land in the state if you like.


prfsr, you dodged the issue of the high court injunction on the disclosure. there is a right to information act clause which bars revelation of all the terms and conditions. in that case, why do you call the deal shady?


A right to information act clause bars revelation of information?

Could anyone please tell me more about this act?



http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2008/09/13/stories/2008091352041000.htm

Mr Justice Dipankar Dutta of Calcutta High Court on Friday directed the West Bengal Government not to publish in next two weeks the agreement it entered into with Tata Motors and West Bengal Industrial Development Corporation relating to the manufacture of small cars at Singur plant. The order was passed following writ petition filed by Tata Motors. Tata Motors alleged that the West Bengal Government had violated the relevant provision of the Right to Information Act 2005 in publishing the agreement dated March 9, 2007. The matter shall come up for hearing next week.

This is an interesting answer, though i was actually asking about the Right to Information Act prohibiting revelation of information.

Anyway, what I learned from your answer are
(a) the HC order was passed following a writ petition by Tata.
(b) Prohibited publication of information for two weeks
(c) this news was published on 13th Sept, 2008. Two weeks have passed since.
(d) The agreement is from March 2007, and the WB govt had published it.

So, whether the govt. erred or not, does this mean that this information is freely available?
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« Reply #34 on: October 04, 2008, 09:48:28 PM »
And fyi, High Court itself put an injunction on the agreement disclosure.


So it is okay to take the land from the people, undercompensate them and not tell them the terms and conditions? Great!

I agree with the need for industry. I disagree with the need for subsidy. But I can live with that as well. I am amused at the phrase "Tata and Nano for Bengal". I was under the impression it would only be in Bengal.

FYI Tata still has the land. It is not clear if the people will get a paisa compensation (Nirupam Sen was non-commital when asked) but the land will not be returned. Ratan Tata has hinted that he might well return when things have cooled down.

Finally let me ask you one question. Why could not the plant be built on less fertile land? It is a very simple question. Please try and give me an honest answer. We can discuss the geography of Bengal and in particular the distribution of fertile land in the state if you like.


prfsr, you dodged the issue of the high court injunction on the disclosure. there is a right to information act clause which bars revelation of all the terms and conditions. in that case, why do you call the deal shady?


A right to information act clause bars revelation of information?

Could anyone please tell me more about this act?



http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2008/09/13/stories/2008091352041000.htm

Mr Justice Dipankar Dutta of Calcutta High Court on Friday directed the West Bengal Government not to publish in next two weeks the agreement it entered into with Tata Motors and West Bengal Industrial Development Corporation relating to the manufacture of small cars at Singur plant. The order was passed following writ petition filed by Tata Motors. Tata Motors alleged that the West Bengal Government had violated the relevant provision of the Right to Information Act 2005 in publishing the agreement dated March 9, 2007. The matter shall come up for hearing next week.

This is an interesting answer, though i was actually asking about the Right to Information Act prohibiting revelation of information.


this explains the RTI act better. as a third party (tata) is involved, there is no right to information without their consent.

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1080913/jsp/frontpage/story_9828532.jsp

and no, I don't think the secret details are out yet.

anyway, i don't feel anyone should call it a shady deal. the laws of the land prevent it from being disclosed.
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« Reply #35 on: October 04, 2008, 11:08:49 PM »
And fyi, High Court itself put an injunction on the agreement disclosure.


So it is okay to take the land from the people, undercompensate them and not tell them the terms and conditions? Great!

I agree with the need for industry. I disagree with the need for subsidy. But I can live with that as well. I am amused at the phrase "Tata and Nano for Bengal". I was under the impression it would only be in Bengal.

FYI Tata still has the land. It is not clear if the people will get a paisa compensation (Nirupam Sen was non-commital when asked) but the land will not be returned. Ratan Tata has hinted that he might well return when things have cooled down.

Finally let me ask you one question. Why could not the plant be built on less fertile land? It is a very simple question. Please try and give me an honest answer. We can discuss the geography of Bengal and in particular the distribution of fertile land in the state if you like.


prfsr, you dodged the issue of the high court injunction on the disclosure. there is a right to information act clause which bars revelation of all the terms and conditions. in that case, why do you call the deal shady?


A right to information act clause bars revelation of information?

Could anyone please tell me more about this act?



http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/2008/09/13/stories/2008091352041000.htm

Mr Justice Dipankar Dutta of Calcutta High Court on Friday directed the West Bengal Government not to publish in next two weeks the agreement it entered into with Tata Motors and West Bengal Industrial Development Corporation relating to the manufacture of small cars at Singur plant. The order was passed following writ petition filed by Tata Motors. Tata Motors alleged that the West Bengal Government had violated the relevant provision of the Right to Information Act 2005 in publishing the agreement dated March 9, 2007. The matter shall come up for hearing next week.

This is an interesting answer, though i was actually asking about the Right to Information Act prohibiting revelation of information.


this explains the RTI act better. as a third party (tata) is involved, there is no right to information without their consent.

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1080913/jsp/frontpage/story_9828532.jsp

and no, I don't think the secret details are out yet.

anyway, i don't feel anyone should call it a shady deal. the laws of the land prevent it from being disclosed.

Thanks.

I don't know the exact questions that are being asked about the deal, and why it is being termed shady. However, it is inaccurate to say that the laws of the land prevent it from being disclosed (even if I believe the articles you posted), because
the objection is coming from Tata, an involved party. The relevant point is what questions are being asked by the people who allege shadiness, and whether revealing the answers to those could reasonably hurt the company, in which case the TATA stance could be justified.
 
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« Reply #36 on: October 05, 2008, 12:20:55 AM »
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The article by MJ VIjayan I posted poses the questions reasonably well. The "shady" term is one I used. You can also read the CPIM, CPIML points of view and see who you believe.
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« Reply #37 on: October 05, 2008, 01:03:33 AM »
http://inhome.rediff.com/money/2008/sep/16tata.htm

Singur land costs far more than state offer price
 
Pradeep Gooptu & Namrata Acharya

September 16, 2008 02:25 IST

The West Bengal government's new compensation package for 'unwilling' farmers in Singur, 40km from Kolkata, might have been praised by Tata Motors, but those involved in land transactions in the area find the offer inadequate.

The move to offer 50 per cent cash more assistance to land-losers in lieu of the land acquired for the small car project will not be enough for farmers to buy land anywhere nearby, especially close to the highway.

Only farmland deep in the interior may be available at the offered price. 

According to Amar Ghosh, a property dealer who facilitated sale of about 150 acres near the Nano factory site in Singur over the last one year, the compensation offered by the government will only enable farmers buy land 10-12km away from Singur.

It would be impossible for any farmer to commute that distance to his field daily, he pointed out.

"While the existing cost of land in Singur is Rs 50-60 lakh per acre, the government's offer of nearly Rs 16 lakh per acre, will not buy any sizable land on higway anywhere near," said Ghosh.

The land acquired for the Tata Motors Nano plant was in the shape of the letter 'W' with frontage over a kilometre long on the highway.

Thanks to the plant, though, land price escalation had been steep in Singur, having risen more than four times in 30 months.

However, there were much fewer takers for land after the events of the recent days.

"We have 400 acre land ready for sale in up to 5 km radius of the Singur plant, but there are no buyers. We have obtained no-objection certificates from farmers who owned that land. Still, no one is willing to buy land here. Recently, one Mumbai-based industry backed from buying 150 acre land in the area," lamented Ghosh.  Land prices have escalated from Rs 30 lakh per acre to Rs 50-60 lakh per acre in a year in Singur.

Patit Paban De, president of West Bengal Cold Storage Association, confirmed that the at Rs 16 lakh an acre, a farmer could buy land not less than 15km away from Singur.

"There is no way that one can find land at less than Rs 50-60 lakh acre in Singur, or even the highway. A farmer may only be able to buy land after Gurap, which is nearly 15km from Singur. One may find agriculture land at Rs 5-6 lakh in villages far away the highway," said De.

However, farmers in the potato-growing region of Barddhaman, 100km from Kolkata, felt the compensation offered by the government was 'lucrative'.

Paresh Nath Ghosh, a potato farmer from Barddhaman, said, "The government's offer for farmers in Singur is attractive."

In view of the huge loss due to potato farming, such a deal would have been very attractive for farmers in Barddhaman, confirmed Ramprasad Ghosal, another farmer from Barddhaman.  He said that after the recent disastrous potato crop, some farmers were ready to sell land at as low as Rs 7-8 lakh per acre, including fertile multi crop land in the district.

From September 14, the government had announced a special package for Singur farmers, offering 70 acres offered from the Tata Motors project site for public purpose.

Additional 50 per cent cash assistance was promised to landlosers and bargadars so that they could buy agricultural land of their choice. Unrecorded bargadars to receive 300 days wages at NREGA rate, the state offer said.

The Bengal government promise a special 10 per cent incentive for unwilling landlosers if they accepted compensation within September 22, 2008.

The government promised to train and endeavour to provide direct or indirect employment for one person per project affected family having no regular employment or income and take up community development schemes in all project affected villages.

Even under this offer, the government may find relocating disgruntled farmers in Singur a herculean task, as almost all the land on the National Highway had been sold off for commercial projects. 

Dhaniakhali, 50 km west of Kolkata, was reputed to have the best soil in the state and land there was usually transacted at a premium of 15-25 per cent over comparable land in other localities.

As the state government had offered to pay for any alternative land to be bought to rehabilitate unwilling farmers from Singur, the cost of land in Dhaniakhali was bound to shoot up further. Land on the highway in areas like Barddhaman and Asansol (200km from Kolkata) was not less than Rs 25 lakh per acre but for commercial use.

Farmland price depended upon the number of crop cycles sustainable on the land, with the most fertile land yielding three crops.  Profitability on crops also varied.

In most years, including 2008, vegetable cultivation proved to be most profitable, ahead of paddy, potato, and jute cultivation in West Bengal.  In areas near Singur, vegetable was the most common crop. Vegetables grown in localities like Masagram, Nabagram, Hazigarh and Balarambati among others fetched premium prices in markets like Kolkata.

Profit from farming, depending upon weather and market conditions, varied. Vegetable farming profit could go up to Rs 30,000 per acre, the cultivation time being two-three months.  For paddy, profit varied between Rs 5,000-7,000 per acre and it was generally grown in three months in two seasons.

In jute, some farmers claimed the profit was negligible, not more than Rs 700-1,000 per acre, with the crop taking three months to grow and requiring heaviest investments in fertiliser and water.

Potato this year was a disaster, as on average farmers suffered a loss ranging between Rs 5,000-10,000 per acre on the crop though it was grown only once a year.

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« Reply #38 on: October 05, 2008, 02:18:58 AM »
A relevant blog post:

http://unknownindianrantings.blogspot.com/


Saturday, August 30, 2008
The Singur Saga
 
The media over the last few weeks has been full of Tata Motors’ Singur Saga. The general view, expressed by the media, industry and even the common man (apart from Mamta and the agitating farmers at Singur) is that Mamta’s intransigence is going to stymie a project that would revitalise Bengal, and this would have a significant impact on international perception of Bengal, and perhaps even of India as an investment destination.
Clearly, from the perspective of Tata Motors, their foray into West Bengal has been a misadventure. Lured by a deal that was almost “too good to be true”, the Tatas chose to base their Nano project at Singur instead of in their existing base at Pune or even in that other major Indian tax haven, Uttranchal. Benefits were virtually free land (~ 1000 acres) abutting the national highway not very far from Calcutta, and numerous tax incentives. The project was seen as heralding an industrial renaissance in West Bengal, a state that was once India’s most industrialized, but which has been turned into a backward industrial desert thanks to the Left’s Gherao culture. Now under the Bengali “Deng” Budhadev, it was hoped that this investment would set into motion a virtuous cycle bringing other major industrial houses back to Bengal. Despite this, the project was highly controversial from the start – with Mamta Banerjee’s Trinamul Congress, and even some factions of the Left starting a major campaign in the winter of 2006 against the West Bengal’s government’s bid to acquire land from farmers and hand it over to the Tatas. Reports of violence and intimidation by CPM cadres against farmers seeking to protect their land were rife. The West Bengal police, directed by the communist government, acted with characteristic brutality, and eventually, the farmers were forced off their land, a boundary wall was constructed, and the land handed over to Tata Motors to help them start construction of their factory.

Cut to August 2008. A large number of local farmers (depending on which report you believe, farmers owning between 600 acres and 850 acres of land) willingly or otherwise accepted compensation, and construction of Tata Motors’ Singur facility was almost complete. With elections approaching, Mamta was at it again. She (along with a section of local farmers) started an agitation to get the Tatas to return 400 acres of land (which was not used for the Tata facility, but was reserved for units to be put up by various suppliers) to the original owners who had not accepted compensation. Inevitably, the agitation soon turned violent, and workers and managers involved in constructing the Tata unit were attacked. Despite having invested a large amount of money in Singur (depending on the report you believe, somewhere up to Rs. 1500 cr. or USD 350 mm), Ratan Tata has threatened to abandon the facility and shift elsewhere. Irrespective of how the agitation turns out, the Nano launch is almost certainly delayed, and the economics of the project have gone for a toss. Other investors looking at Bengal will undoubtedly think twice before going ahead with any investments.

The media of course is whining about this – the inevitable comparisons with China’s ability to get things done are rehashed, and reams of newsprint have been spent on the large number of industrial projects that have been delayed because of the inability of the Indian government to acquire land and hand it over to favoured industrialists. But is this something to whine about? Did Tata Motors really have no option other than adopting the route it followed, of depending on state governments to acquire and hand it over free land for this project? Is this really the model of industrialization that we should be following?

The concept of Eminent Domain or the power of governments to acquire private property for the “social good” has always been highly controversial. There clearly are certain situations where this is unavoidable – a case in point being the construction of a large dam or a highway, which necessarily must follow a certain alignment. However, all over the world, Governments in typical fashion overreach, stretching the definition of what is “social good”. Even in the United States, a Supreme Court bench ruled that governments have the right to force people to vacate their homes because the homes were not good looking and came in the way of projects to revitalize a neighbourhood through fresh construction. (Fortunately, this triggered such a controversy that the US Congress passed a law clarifying that this was not permissible). In India of course, Governments have always been a law unto themselves. The Indira *hi government, in the Emergency era (when all constitutional rights were suspended), even passed a law deleting the Right to Property from the highly circumscribed fundamental rights provided by the Indian Constitution. This is seen as giving governments a virtually unfettered right to acquire private property for any use they feel like.

In my view, this is totally wrong. The Right to Property is one of the most basic of all fundamental rights, next only to the Right to Life. Before depriving someone of their property (with or without so called “fair compensation”), one must look at all other alternatives. Setting up a car plant or an SEZ is certainly not good enough reason to adopt such a course. Forcing people to part with their property, even with substantial compensation, is nothing but state sponsored theft. By acquiring such STOLEN property, Tata Motors was certainly guilty of abetting a crime. The Tata group of course may feel differently. Clearly, they do more than their fair share in terms of community development and contributing to the uplift of the deprived. The Nano project is a daring idea – and the engineering effort that has gone into it is stupendous. If launched at the target price of Rs. 1 lakh, the Nano would create a new market, and open the doors to safer commuting for thousands of Indian families. But this does not give the Tatas the right to abet the West Bengal government in stealing from landowners of Singur.

The right way to go about the Nano project would have been to adopt what I call the “DLF Gurgaon Model”. No government forced farmers to part with land that enabled DLF to put Gurgaon together. DLF negotiated with individual landowners, and purchased their property at a mutually acceptable level. To the extent there were holdouts, they used peer pressure from other farmers who realized that they would not be able to sell their property unless substantial blocks were delivered to DLF. Similarly, the Tatas should have negotiated with individual landowners to buy their properties at a mutually agreed valuation. If there were holdouts, they had two legitimate choices – design around the holdouts or shift the project to an alternate location where land was available.

The same applies to most other controversial projects including the various steel plants in Orissa, the Reliance SEZ in Raigad and Anil Ambani’s Dadri power project. All these projects are potentially highly value creating – and must be built by paying market price (viz a price negotiated with each potential seller) for land. That is how private projects in the developed world are usually built – and as a civilized democracy, we must move in that direction.

What about Government benefits for industrialization? How will India compete with China without such subsidies? Well, in my view, Government subsidies for specific industrial projects or sectors are fundamentally illegitimate. They distort the economy, and direct investment into areas that are preferred by politicians and bureaucrats instead of areas determined by the market. In a country where government servants are highly venal as in India, such subsidies and preferences are a recipe for corruption. Instead of lobbying for land grants and sales tax or income tax exemptions, all those who want to create a modern economy in India must push for uniform and low taxes – viz, if the average tax payout by Indian industry is 18%, reduce corporate tax to 18 or 20% and eliminate all exemptions that enable some companies to achieve a zero tax status.

So what about Singur? One does not know what will finally happen. The Tatas have invested several hundred crore rupees, and this may need to be treated as a sunk cost. If that happens, the Nano project will be delayed, and perhaps even crippled. Tata Motors, which already faces a significant downturn in its stock price, and massive debts related to the Jaguar Land Rover deal, will be significantly hurt too. But as I see it, this is the consequence of greed. The Tatas chose to go ahead with the Singur project despite knowing that land was being forcibly acquired from people who did not wish to sell the land. And so it seems like what is happening is nothing but poetic justice – they turned a blind eye to the pain that the people who lost the land were suffering, and those people (and perhaps other assorted opportunists) have now resorted to violence to ensure that the Tatas are not able to implement the Singur project smoothly. The loss that the Tatas would incur in a worst case scenario where their investment in Singur is scrapped would hugely exceed the cost they would have incurred if they had negotiated with land owners to buy their property. Perhaps this would act as an example to Indian industry – to believe in the free markets that have built their prosperity instead of in government subsidies. But somehow, I don’t think that is the lesson that people will draw. What is far more likely is a call to give Government’s greater power to do what they please with people’s lives and property. And that will undoubtedly spell a disaster for India.

P.S. Before people think that I am a Tata baiter and fail to recognize the good that the group has done, please note that I am a great fan of the Tata Group and the ethics and principles with which it runs most of its businesses. I have also had the privilege to interact with senior officers from Tata Motors, and am aware that it is difficult to find too many people in industry who are more fundamentally decent. But unfortunately, too many decent people in Corporate India have not yet gotten over their fixation with a dirigiste state – and prefer to seek favours from governments rather than campaign to reduce government’s role in India. I also recognize that if the Tatas were to approach farmers directly, governments and politicians may nevertheless rake up a controversy by refusing to permit conversion of agricultural land freely sold by farmers to industrial land – but that surely would have been a better position to be in than the one that the Tatas are in today.
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« Reply #39 on: October 05, 2008, 02:58:36 AM »
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The article by MJ VIjayan I posted poses the questions reasonably well. The "shady" term is one I used. You can also read the CPIM, CPIML points of view and see who you believe.
Most of the issues raised by Vijayan seem to have to do with the CPM, rather than the deal (or TATA). Whether the CPM is consistent in their policy, whether they were right to offer Singur in the first place, whether they are adequately compensating the landowners (which by reading you last post, and taking it at face value they are not) etc. But, which of the points raised by Vijayan can be answered by looking at the deal?

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