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[arjun]

So we have faltered again, chasing a gettable score. The last time it happened, in Bangalore, we had Dada to lay all the blames on. Who do we blame now? The teflon captain, for his pathetic decision to bat second, and sloppy slip fielding? Or our new age Messiah from Australia, for his big slip up in the fielding and catching department, where actually he should have focussed attention, in stead of dissipating it all trying to destroy the career of one single player?

[cardus]

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[Blwe_torch]

So we have faltered again, chasing a gettable score. The last time it happened, in Bangalore, we had Dada to lay all the blames on. Who do we blame now? The teflon captain, for his pathetic decision to bat second, and sloppy slip fielding? Or our new age Messiah from Australia, for his big slip up in the fielding and catching department, where actually he should have focussed attention, in stead of dissipating it all trying to destroy the career of one single player?

why just catching and fielding?...what abt batting and overall strategy?

[justforkix]

Looking at the final day alone, the difference between Bangalore, Nagpur and Mumbai was the time when Dravid got out. Dravid got out just after lunch in Bangalore and Mumbai and we lost. RD only got out after tea and so we managed to draw in Nagpur. The batting lineup was pretty much the same in all the 3 tests. Bottomline : we will float and sink with the Wall !!! It has nothing to do with captain, coach etc. etc.

Of course, there are different things that went wrong in each of the three tests in the 1st 4 days....

[cardus]

Looking at the final day alone, the difference between Bangalore, Nagpur and Mumbai was the time when Dravid got out. Dravid got out just after lunch in Bangalore and Mumbai and we lost. RD only got out after tea and so we managed to draw in Nagpur. The batting lineup was pretty much the same in all the 3 tests. Bottomline : we will float and sink with the Wall !!! It has nothing to do with captain, coach etc. etc.

Of course, there are different things that went wrong in each of the three tests in the 1st 4 days....

Can't agree with you on several counts.

1. Isn't the era of individual performances supposed to be over in this brave new world?
2. Boneheadedness (wrt team selection, 5-bowlers etc; and choosing to bat after winning the toss) HAVE TO BE BLAMED for this fiasco.
3. From what little I've seen, the body language of EVERY player today from morning on was overwhelmingly one of inevitable defeat.

[justforkix]

2. Boneheadedness (wrt team selection, 5-bowlers etc; and choosing to bat after winning the toss) HAVE TO BE BLAMED for this fiasco.

I already said, looking at the final day alone. Also said different things went wrong in each of the 3 tests to arrive at similar final day scenarios. didn't u read my post fully 

3. From what little I've seen, the body language of EVERY player today from morning on was overwhelmingly one of inevitable defeat.

Yup. I saw the a similar body language in Bangalore and Naagpur too.

[cardus]

Sorry, jfk. My bad!

[justforkix]

Sorry, jfk. My bad!

No probs 

[arjun]

Tactically, since India were already one up in the series, all they had to aim at was deny England an outright victory. Playing with 6 batsmen should have been a no-brainer in such a scenario. But I am afraid all such tactical calculations were clouded by a false sense of machismo/bravado/idiocy ( whatever you call it.)

[arjun]

As always, Boycott's comments on the NDTV were right on the mark

[Blwe_torch]

As always, Boycott's comments on the NDTV were right on the mark

Yes, I enjoyed those!

[worma]

So we have faltered again, chasing a gettable score. The last time it happened, in Bangalore, we had Dada to lay all the blames on. Who do we blame now? The teflon captain, for his pathetic decision to bat second, and sloppy slip fielding? Or our new age Messiah from Australia, for his big slip up in the fielding and catching department, where actually he should have focussed attention, in stead of dissipating it all trying to destroy the career of one single player?

As I pointed out somewhere else too, check out the series form of our batsmen going into the Bangalore test, and compare it with Mumbai scenario. Therein lies the difference. We messed up our chasing tactics big time there, absolutely nothing to do with skills or form.

And who blamed only Saurav for the failure there? It was a wrong strategy, and wrong execution on part of each individual. The captain takes the major share, as is the case here.

Bangalore's game was the biggest strategic blunder I have seen from a complete Indian team in recent times (bigger than the Jamaica fiasco where it rained for 11 days minutes after we decided to opt for a foolish collapse over a play-for-time)

Mumbai was just a plain bad game with poor fielding skills, poor batting, good bowling by Eng, and wrong choice first up.

I don't know for sure if the team management spent their catching-practise hours plotting Saurav's downfall, do you?

For me, the biggest reason for poor catching was having new unaccustomed personnel in specialist position. Can't blame the management...Lax was out, Sehwag was injured so needed a slipper...tried Jaffer there (meant Yuv had to come bat-pad). Dhoni has done some good catching stumping this series, and a couple of poor ones. So has Jones...and many other wicketkeepers in the world. He's not a great keeper, just a decent one. Atleast for me his complete package is valuable enough.