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because of liberal and reverse discrimination democrat will loose another election.

good news we will have clinton in 2012
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Re: mccain will eat up barack during debate(it has been proven today)
« Reply #1 on: August 17, 2008, 02:53:43 AM »
totally agree.. mccain cleaned his clock today (on, imo, irrelevant for me but highly relevant for key swing voters ..the issue of faith).. hate to say this but Obama is underestimating McCain..

McCain clearly re-energized his base today and evangelicals will be key to swing states.

We have an election fight on our hands.. stupid dems for selecting Obama..they have made this race unnecessarily competitive by selecting Obama
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Re: mccain will eat up barack during debate(it has been proven today)
« Reply #2 on: August 17, 2008, 03:14:20 AM »
totally agree.. mccain cleaned his clock today (on, imo, irrelevant for me but highly relevant for key swing voters ..the issue of faith).. hate to say this but Obama is underestimating McCain..

McCain clearly re-energized his base today and evangelicals will be key to swing states.

We have an election fight on our hands.. stupid dems for selecting Obama..they have made this race unnecessarily competitive by selecting Obama

Don't worry, Obama will make history.
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Re: mccain will eat up barack during debate(it has been proven today)
« Reply #3 on: August 17, 2008, 03:39:33 AM »
totally agree.. mccain cleaned his clock today (on, imo, irrelevant for me but highly relevant for key swing voters ..the issue of faith).. hate to say this but Obama is underestimating McCain..

McCain clearly re-energized his base today and evangelicals will be key to swing states.

We have an election fight on our hands.. stupid dems for selecting Obama..they have made this race unnecessarily competitive by selecting Obama

Don't worry, Obama will make history.

what history  boss? media
had bubbled him up for their business. people are smater than media
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Re: mccain will eat up barack during debate(it has been proven today)
« Reply #4 on: August 17, 2008, 03:44:52 AM »
Bottom line Americans are not yet accepting of a Black man running their country and tell them what to do keeping all political correctness aside despite U.S. being a great tolerant country.
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Re: mccain will eat up barack during debate(it has been proven today)
« Reply #5 on: August 17, 2008, 05:19:59 AM »
Bottom line Americans are not yet accepting of a Black man running their country and tell them what to do keeping all political correctness aside despite U.S. being a great tolerant country.
yes, sadly that is a fact ..and will remain so.. unfortunately, BHO's lack of experience doesnt help matters
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Re: mccain will eat up barack during debate(it has been proven today)
« Reply #6 on: August 17, 2008, 06:55:20 AM »
what if they have clinton running for veepee?
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« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2008, 12:19:10 AM »
what if they have clinton running for veepee?
Looks like Ralph Nader thinks like you..
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Nader predicts Obama to pick Clinton
By JOHN F. HARRIS | 8/19/08 6:49 PM EST

Ralph Nader said Obama must choose Clinton if the Democrats are to leave next week's convention in Denver with a unified party.

Count Ralph Nader as unimpressed by the crop of supposed finalists to be Barack Obama’s running mate.

“I don’t think he’s that dumb,” said Nader, commenting on widespread speculation that Obama’s choices are down to Sens. Joe Biden, Evan Bayh, or Virginia Gov. Tim Kaine.

The smart pick, according to Nader, is Hillary Rodham Clinton. Nader phoned into Politico Tuesday afternoon to offer his prediction that a surprise nod to Clinton is actually what Obama has in mind—never mind the talk of mistrust between the Clintons and Obama.

“He just has to swallow hard ( ??? ;D ) and do what JFK did” in picking rival Lyndon Johnson in 1960, said the liberal activist and maverick presidential candidate.

According to Nader’s logic, Obama may dislike Hillary, but will conclude he has no choice but to get over it if he hopes to leave next week’s convention in Denver with a unified party and a decent shot against John McCain in the fall: “The polls show 25 percent of her supporters have not gotten on board.”

“He’s got to be very concerned by the [neck-in-neck] polls and by what happened at Saddleback,” added Nader, referring to the recent candidates forum hosted by evangelist Rick Warren. “He got beat in Saddleback—big time.”

Nader said his own sources—and, to be blunt, they sound a bit sketchy—lead him to believe that Clinton remains in serious consideration. A friend, he said, recently saw Clinton family intimate Vernon Jordan on Martha’s Vineyard and reported the “usually very effusive” Jordan to be suspiciously “tight-lipped.”

Nader said he does not see how Biden, Bayh or Kaine would help Obama politically, and believes the speculation about them is a "smokescreen." If it’s a traditional white male politician Obama is after, Nader offered, the better pick would be former Georgia Sen. Sam Nunn, who brings national security heft and could put his home state in play.

It might be tempting for the Obama partisans to brush off Nader’s freelance handicapping, but dismissing him as a crank is a risk. Many Democrats believe he siphoned votes and cost Al Gore the presidency in 2000.

As for his own reading of the vice presidential tarot cards, Nader admitted, “I may have egg on my face in a few days.”
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Re: mccain will eat up barack during debate(it has been proven today)
« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2008, 01:00:43 AM »
what if they have clinton running for veepee?

Ain't there no way HRC is going to accept VP position. She is looking ahead to 2012. Why would she want to carry the baggage of a lost attempt? BHO is out of contenton, come November.
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Re: mccain will eat up barack during debate(it has been proven today)
« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2008, 06:10:00 AM »
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/19/cnn-poll-of-polls-obama-lead-cut-in-half/


CNN poll of polls: Obama lead cut in half
Posted: 07:35 PM ET

(CNN) — In what could be an ominous sign for Barack Obama just days before he is formally named the Democratic presidential nominee, a new CNN poll of polls out Tuesday shows the Illinois senator's lead over John McCain has been cut in half in recent days.

According to CNN's average of several recent national surveys, Obama's lead is now a slim 3 points over the Arizona senator, 46-43 percent — half of his advantage in a CNN poll of polls one week ago, and down from a high of 8 points in mid-July.

The latest poll results come amid increased attacks from McCain on Obama's readiness to be commander-in-chief and the re-emergence of national security worries among voters in the wake of the Georgia crisis.

“Over the last week, we’ve seen Sen. Obama’s lead in the poll of polls cut in half,” noted CNN Senior Political Researcher Alan Silverleib. “This change was likely driven by a renewed focus on foreign policy after Russia’s invasion of Georgia, as well as by Sen. McCain’s willingness to launch more aggressive attacks against Obama on issues such as off-shore drilling."

A Los Angeles Times/Bloomberg poll out Tuesday evening was the latest national survey to indicate Obama's lead is dwindling, putting the Illinois senator ahead of McCain by only 2 points, well within the poll's margin of error. The CNN Poll of polls also includes new surveys from Quinnipiac and Gallup.

But the recent downturn in the polls for Obama may not last — the Democratic White House hopeful is headed for a week of what is likely to be overwhelmingly postive coverage as he names his running mate and officially accepts his party's presidential nomination.

"The big question now is whether Obama can successfully regain control of the campaign agenda as we head into the Democratic convention," Silverleib also said.
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Re: mccain will eat up barack during debate(it has been proven today)
« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2008, 02:43:36 PM »
With real BHO coming out of the shadows, Mac is picking up steam... Even Dems and college grads are seeing his real face and deserting him!!

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http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=1541


Reuters/Zogby Poll: McCain Makes a Move, Takes 5-Point Lead Over Obama

Obama loses ground among Dems, women, Catholics & even younger voters


UTICA, New York – As Russian tanks rolled into the Republic of Georgia and the presidential candidates met over the weekend in the first joint issues forum of the fall campaign, the latest polling includes drama almost as compelling - Republican John McCain has taken a five-point lead over Democrat Barack Obama in the race for President, the latest Reuters/Zogby telephone survey shows.

McCain leads Obama by a 46% to 41% margin.

And McCain not only enjoys a five-point edge in a two-way race against Obama, but also in a four-way contest including liberal independent candidate Ralph Nader and Libertarian Bob Barr, the poll reveals. In the four-way contest, McCain wins 44% support, Obama 39%, Barr 3% and Nader 2%.


This latest Reuters/Zogby poll is a dramatic reversal from the identical survey taken last month – in the July 9-13 Reuters/Zogby survey, Obama led McCain, 47% to 40%. In the four-way race last month, Obama held a 10-point lead over McCain.

The Reuters/Zogby Horserace     August     July
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McCain                                     46%      40%
Obama                                     41%      47%
Not sure/Other                           13%      13%
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This latest live operator telephone survey was conducted Aug. 14-16, 2008 from Zogby’s call center in Upstate New York. It included 1,089 likely voters nationwide, and carries a margin of error of +/- 3.0 percentage points.

The poll shows Obama losing voters to McCain in groups where Obama had bigger leads a month ago, such as Democrats, women and younger voters. Obama also lost ground among Catholics and Southerners.

This table shows Obama’s loss of support between the July and August Reuters/Zogby polls among some significant sub-groups (the margin of error is greater for sub-groups than the sample as a whole).

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Obama Support     July        August      Difference
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Democrats           83%          74%             -9
Women               50%          42%           -8
Catholics             47%          36%          -11
Ages <35            59%           47%          -12
College Grads      51%           40%           -11
Live in Cities        54%           43%          -11
Income <$50,000  53%          46%           -7
Southerners         46%          35%          -11
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McCain’s surge follows a month in which he has aggressively portrayed Obama as an out-of-touch elitist and celebrity not prepared to be President. McCain also continues to accuse Obama of being willing to lose in Iraq in order to win the election. While Obama was on vacation last week, McCain took the spotlight, talking tough about Russia’s military action against the Republic of Georgia.

Pollster John Zogby: “Since Obama returned from his overseas trip, it seems like McCain has thrown all the punches. Clearly, the blows have landed. In recent days, Obama is fighting back, going after McCain on the economy, the issue voters care about most. McCain has changed the dynamic of the race heading into the two conventions. That puts more pressure on Obama to go to Denver and effectively define himself and McCain.”

Here is how voters rated issues most important to them in choosing a President: economy 47%, War in Iraq 12%, energy prices 8%, healthcare 7%, threat of attack on the U.S. 6%, immigration 5% and the environment 4%.

For a detailed methodological statement on this survey, please visit:

http://www.zogby.com/methodology/readmeth.dbm?ID=1328

(8/20/2008)
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Re: mccain will eat up barack during debate(it has been proven today)
« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2008, 03:19:42 PM »


For a detailed list of all polls go to. Many of them show trends over time as well.

http://www.pollingreport.com/wh08gen.htm
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« Reply #12 on: August 20, 2008, 06:08:17 PM »
"In the 21st century nations don't invade other nations" - John McCain. See The Daily Show with Jon Stuart from last Thursday for the video. Yes, he says it with a straight face.
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Re: mccain will eat up barack during debate(it has been proven today)
« Reply #13 on: August 20, 2008, 07:29:28 PM »
If BHO loses this one (as the trend shows) he has gotta be the biggest dufus in the world and the Democratic party the biggest dufus party in the world
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Re: mccain will eat up barack during debate(it has been proven today)
« Reply #14 on: August 20, 2008, 07:53:09 PM »
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/ZxBX8sz3tO8&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/ZxBX8sz3tO8&rel=0</a>

BHO's cost/benefit analysis...  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D His excuse was that he didn't have enough sleep. So, BHO receives a call at 3:00 AM, that Iran has done something. As per his policy, he goes to meet Ahmedinajad unconditionally, and mumbles something like this in the meeting because he was woken up early. What a president (to be)!!!!

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<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/JU2Yv-rnJEo&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/JU2Yv-rnJEo&rel=0</a>

BHO's straight face lie about Jeremiah Wright.

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<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/EpGH02DtIws&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/EpGH02DtIws&rel=0</a>

BHO visits 57 states, 1 left to go, his staff didn't allow him to go in 2 other.

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<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/oRre-ztecDc&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/oRre-ztecDc&rel=0</a>

BHO's straight face lie on Iran being a threat... or not a threat... wait, which one is it?

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Accomplishments, as noted by Dem voters:
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/PzFOOcEQtP0&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/PzFOOcEQtP0&rel=0</a>
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/NgXPVmlXKQI&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/NgXPVmlXKQI&rel=0</a>

Accomplishments, as noted by Dem politician:
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/QU08cYX-7y4&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/QU08cYX-7y4&rel=0</a>

BHO's accomplishments as US senator...... nada.. zip.. zilch.. shunya.. and he wants to be our president.  :notworthy:

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Before we go, let us have a look back at what his pastor, his father figure, his moral compass, his guide in life said in his church:

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/jc2FCJ7zWEQ&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/jc2FCJ7zWEQ&rel=0</a>



Just words!!! Just speeches!!! Don't tell me words don't matter!!! -- BHO
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« Reply #15 on: August 20, 2008, 08:10:18 PM »



McCain's revisionism.


In August

My friends, we have reached a crisis, the first probably serious crisis internationally since the end of the Cold War. This is an act of aggression.

In July

McCAIN: The fact is we had four years of failed policy. We were losing. We were losing the war in Iraq. The consequences of failure and defeat of the United States of America in the first major conflict since 9/11 would have had devastating impacts throughout the region and the world.

For more and links to videos please go to
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/15/mccain-russia/
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Re: mccain will eat up barack during debate(it has been proven today)
« Reply #16 on: August 20, 2008, 08:14:30 PM »
Good... now we are talking. Now we can identify who has flipped more than other.  :icon_thumleft: :icon_thumleft:
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Re: mccain will eat up barack during debate(it has been proven today)
« Reply #17 on: August 20, 2008, 08:15:16 PM »
If BHO loses this one (as the trend shows) he has gotta be the biggest dufus in the world and the Democratic party the biggest dufus party in the world
The race is just starting.. it will come down to who does well in the 4th quarter.. looks like the game will start at even level after the conventions (as opposed to a significant BHO lead).

BTW, BHO's signs of trouble were clear even during the primaries.. since TX .. he barely stumbled across the finish line and his Europe trip etc has not moved the rural/working class white vote.

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« Reply #18 on: August 20, 2008, 08:25:52 PM »
Obama Flip-flops ....

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/24/AR2008022402094.html?sid=ST2008022402134

1. Special interests In January, the Obama campaign described union contributions to the campaigns of Clinton and John Edwards as "special interest" money. Obama changed his tune as he began gathering his own union endorsements. He now refers respectfully to unions as the representatives of "working people" and says he is "thrilled" by their support.

2. Public financing Obama replied "yes" in September 2007 when asked if he would agree to public financing of the presidential election if his GOP opponent did the same. Obama has now attached several conditions to such an agreement, including regulating spending by outside groups. His spokesman says the candidate never committed himself on the matter.

3. The Cuba embargo In January 2004, Obama said it was time "to end the embargo with Cuba" because it had "utterly failed in the effort to overthrow Castro." Speaking to a Cuban American audience in Miami in August 2007, he said he would not "take off the embargo" as president because it is "an important inducement for change."

4. Illegal immigration In a March 2004 questionnaire, Obama was asked if the government should "crack down on businesses that hire illegal immigrants." He replied "Oppose." In a Jan. 31, 2008, televised debate, he said that "we do have to crack down on those employers that are taking advantage of the situation."

5. Decriminalization of marijuana While running for the U.S. Senate in January 2004, Obama told Illinois college students that he supported eliminating criminal penalties for marijuana use. In the Oct. 30, 2007, presidential debate, he joined other Democratic candidates in opposing the decriminalization of marijuana.


Just words!!! Just speeches!!! Don't tell me words don't matter!!! -- BHO
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« Reply #19 on: August 20, 2008, 08:28:46 PM »
McCain was not in the cone of silence initially -- this was what I reported and now people are backing this up. Look at the links in http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/18/bill-kristol-quietly-revi_n_119566.html

Why were McCain supporters lying about this? 
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« Reply #20 on: August 20, 2008, 08:38:49 PM »
Long list of McCain gaffes and flip-flops - too long to paste and too long for me to read :)

http://www.bi30.org/wordpress/flipflopper.htm

Some samples
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Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) currently holds the title of most absent U.S. senator, missing over 60 percent of votes this session. In an interview with Walter Isaacson at the Aspen Institute yesterday [Aug 14], McCain claimed he has not “missed any crucial vote” on energy legislation:
McCAIN: "I have a long record of that support of alternate energy. … I’ve always been for all of those and I have not missed any crucial vote. But my citizens in Arizona know that when I’m running for the President of the United States I have to be out campaigning."

Flop: Actually, Senator McCain is zero-for-8 in voting on crucial renewable energy legistlation this past year, allowing a bill to extend energy tax credits to wind & solar power industries to be defeated in Congress. Once, he wouldn't even leave his office while present at the Senate to cast his vote.


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Flip: During a question-and-answer session with Walter Isaacson today [8/14], Sen. John McCain said Guantanamo Bay is “one of the nicest places in the world to live in.” Later in the interview, McCain was asked about the Supreme Court’s recent decision in Boumediene v. Bush declaring that Gitmo detainees have a right to challenge their detention in civilian court. McCain had previously derided that decision as “one of the worst decisions in the history of this country.”

Flop: The exchange with Senator McCain went thusly:
ISAACSON: "But you called that the worst decision in history?"

MCCAIN: "No I didn’t. No, no– Sometimes I’m given to a little hyperbole."

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Flip: Following a comment by Senator Obama that "proper tire inflation" could save as much energy as the GOP’s coastal drilling policy, McCain responded the next day:
McCain: "Yesterday, he [Obama] suggested we put air in our tires to save on gas. My friends, let’s do that. But do you think that’s enough to break our dependence on Middle Eastern oil? I don’t think so."

Of course, Obama never claimed "proper tire inflation alone" would end our dependence on foreign oil. Note that "electronic tire pressure monitoring" is now standard equipment on most luxury cars, underscoring the importance of proper tire inflation with regards to fuel efficiency, performance and safety.

Flop: Just last April, Senator McCain, while commenting on the same subject of "dependency on foreign oil", McCain suggested:
"We can do that [decrease our dependence] as a nation. We can turned out [sic] the lights five minutes earlier. We don't have to drive the extra block."

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Flip: When answering questions following a speech he gave in Panama City, FL, Senator McCain answered a question regarding his support for African-Americans by stating:
"...I'm proud of that record... from fighting for the recognition of Doctor Martin Luther King's birthday in my state, to sponsoring specific legislation that would prevent discrimination..."

Flop: Senator McCain appears to have forgotten that he fought against making Dr. King's birthday a Federal holiday, not once but three times (follow link for details).

(Editor's Note: It was only this past April, on the 40th anniversary of Dr. King's assassination, that McCain found himself in the uncomfortable position of trying to explain why he repeatedly voted against the bill for a National holiday in King's honor, so it's not like how he voted at the time wasn't fresh in his memory.)


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Re: mccain will eat up barack during debate(it has been proven today)
« Reply #21 on: August 20, 2008, 08:45:13 PM »
 ;D ;D ;D

So effectively, Secret service is lying when it gives a statement that Mac had not audio/video access before he went on stage; and Rick Warren is lying too when he says Mac never got to hear any questions or BHO replies. In fact, on Hannity & Colmes, Rick Warren said that he had given BHO a couple questions in advance while Mac had no such benefit. So, who is lying, or spreading lies?


http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12594.html


McCain protests NBC coverage
By MIKE ALLEN | 8/17/08 11:32 PM EST

Sen. John McCain's (R-Ariz.) campaign manager Rick Davis asked Sunday for a meeting with Steve Capus, the president of NBC News, to protest what the campaign called signs that the network is "abandoning non-partisan coverage of the presidential race."

Davis made the request Sunday in a letter that is part of an aggressive effort by McCain to counter news coverage he considers critical.

In this case, the campaign is objecting to a statement by NBC's Andrea Mitchell on "Meet the Press" questioning whether McCain might have gotten a heads-up on some of the questions that were asked of Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.), who was the first candidate to be interviewed Saturday night by Pastor Rick Warren at a presidential forum on faith.

Warren told the audience that McCain was being held in "a cone of silence" so he wouldn't hear the questions, which were similar for both candidates.

Warren referred again to "the cone of silence" when McCain came onstage, and the senator joked: "I was trying to hear through the wall."

Mitchell reported that some "Obama people" were suggesting "that McCain may not have been in the cone of silence and may have had some ability to overhear what the questions were to Obama. He seemed so well prepared."

A McCain aide said that is not the case: "Senator McCain was in a motorcade led by the United States Secret Service and held in a green room with no broadcast feed."

Mitchell made the comment in the context of saying McCain did better, and that the Obama camp was defensive. In response to the campaign's letter, she pointed out that journalists get criticism from both sides.

"I wasn't expressing an opinion," Mitchell said. "I was reporting what they were saying."

Here is the text of the letter:

August 17, 2008
Mr. Steve Capus
President, NBC News
30 Rockefeller Plaza
New York, NY 10112

Steve:

We are extremely disappointed to see that the level of objectivity at NBC News has fallen so low that reporters are now giving voice to unsubstantiated, partisan claims in order to undercut John McCain.

Nowhere was this more evident than with NBC chief correspondent Andrea Mitchell's comments on "Meet the Press" this morning. In analyzing last night's presidential forum at Saddleback Church, Mitchell expressed the Obama campaign spin that John McCain could only have done so well last night because he "may not have been in the cone of silence and may have had some ability to overhear what the questions were to Obama." Here are Andrea Mitchell's comments in full:

Mitchell: "The Obama people must feel that he didn't do quite as well as they might have wanted to in that context, because what they are putting out privately is that McCain may not have been in the cone of silence and may have had some ability to overhear what the questions were to Obama. He seemed so well-prepared." (NBC's "Meet The Press," 8/17/08)

Make no mistake: This is a serious charge. Andrea Mitchell is repeating, uncritically, a completely unsubstantiated Obama campaign claim that John McCain somehow cheated in last night's forum at Saddleback Church. Instead of trying to substantiate this blatant falsehood in any way, Andrea Mitchell felt that she needed to repeat it on air to millions of "Meet the Press" viewers with no indication that 1.) There's not one shred of evidence that it's true; 2.) In his official correspondence to both campaigns, Pastor Rick Warren provided both candidates with information regarding the topic areas to be covered, which Barack Obama acknowledged during the forum when asked about Pastor Warren's idea of an emergency plan for orphans and Obama said, "I cheated a little bit. I actually looked at this idea ahead of time, and I think it is a great idea;" 3.) John McCain actually requested that he and Barack Obama do the forum together on stage at the same time, making these kinds of after-the-fact complaints moot.

Indeed, instead of taking a critical journalistic approach to this spin, Andrea Mitchell did what has become a pattern for her of simply repeating Obama campaign talking points.

This is irresponsible journalism and sadly, indicative of the level of objectivity we have witnessed at NBC News this election cycle. Instead of examining the Obama campaign's spin for truth before reporting it to more than 3 million NBC News viewers, Andrea Mitchell simply passed along Obama campaign conspiracy theories. The fact is that during Senator Obama's segment at Saddleback last night, Senator McCain was in a motorcade to the event and then held in a green room with no broadcast feed. In the forum, John McCain clearly demonstrated to the American people that he is prepared to be our next President.....

We are concerned that your News Division is following MSNBC's lead in abandoning non-partisan coverage of the Presidential race. We would like to request a meeting with you as soon as possible to discuss our deep concerns about the news standards and level of objectivity at NBC.

Sincerely,

Rick Davis
Campaign Manager
John McCain 2008
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« Reply #22 on: August 20, 2008, 08:50:32 PM »
BHO on Iran --


http://www.onebigdog.net/obama-flip-flops-on-danger-posed-by-iran/

While working to secure the Democratic nomination back in May B. Hussein Obama said that Iran was a tiny nation that did not pose a threat because it is smaller than the Soviet Union.

    “Iran, Cuba, Venezuela? These countries are tiny compared to the Soviet Union. They don’t pose any serious threat to us.” WND

To B. Hussein (at that time), Iran was a small nation that did not pose a serious threat to us and therefore we should get them to the table and talk out a solution, without preconditions, of course.

Amazingly, B. Hussein has now taken a different approach to the tiny country that posed no serious threat:

    “The danger from Iran is grave, it is real, and my goal will be to eliminate this threat,” Obama said in a speech to a conference of the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, a pro-Israel lobby group. Newsmax

In May Obama took heat for his statements and John McCain used those words to point out Obama’s inexperience. This must have resonated with Obama because now he is talking more like a hawk than a dove. The question is, what changed in the last few weeks to move Iran from no serious threat to one that is grave?

Perhaps it is that Obama was speaking to an Israeli group. Obama has been losing support among the Jews because of his indifference toward Israel so he took the opportunity to talk about the grave threat and how he will stop it. He did not make this claim a few weeks ago. Back then he made light of the threat. He claims to be a different kind of politician but he panders like the rest of them. He talks of change but the only thing that has changed here is his message based upon his audience.

The other reason might just be that we are moving into the general election phase and there is no way Obama can match McCain on national defense. McCain spent more time as a POW than Obama has as a Senator and McCain understands the threat and what we face. Obama simply lacks any experience in this area and his inability to see the Iranian threat early on is proof of that.

I also wonder what he means by “eliminate this threat.” Does this mean that the military option is on the table? Does it mean he will talk to Iran and see if he can negotiate with them to get them to stop building nuclear weapons? If negotiations fail will he use force?

All of these questions need to be answered but the first one that he must address is why he changed positions on the threat posed by Iran. This is a guy who voted against a Senate Resolution designating Iran’s Revolutionary Guard as a terrorist organization but in his speech he said that very organization had been rightly labeled as a terrorist organization. Which is it Mr. Obama? Were you against terrorist labeling before you were for it?

Obama claims to be about Hope and Change but hoping that Iran will change direction on nuclear weapons will not make it so.

* Obama said that Iran was not a serious threat but then said the danger is grave. One fo the definitions of grave (and the one he intended) is significantly serious. I guess he was against serious before he was for it.



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Re: mccain will eat up barack during debate(it has been proven today)
« Reply #23 on: August 20, 2008, 08:50:52 PM »
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So effectively, Secret service is lying when it gives a statement that Mac had not audio/video access before he went on stage; and Rick Warren is lying too when he says Mac never got to hear any questions or BHO replies. In fact, on Hannity & Colmes, Rick Warren said that he had given BHO a couple questions in advance while Mac had no such benefit. So, who is lying, or spreading lies?

Ruchir, hypothtically speaking

JMc was in the motorcade for a duration of BHO's questioning which was being broadcast.

Lets assume he didnt hear the broadcast live. Lets assume he was not even supplied the questions.

But whats to prevent one of his aides / stratgists coach him on some of the topics covered by the questions without revealing that these were the actual questions ? after all, the aides had access to the broadcast, access to email et all.

Its quite simple really and its quite possible.

Why waste time debating what cannot be proven anyways.

It cant be proven that McCain had access
It cannot be proven that McCain didnt have access.

What is certain is that he was not in the cone of silence all the time
And that opportunities existed for him to get wind of the convo --irrespective of whether he knew or not.
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Re: mccain will eat up barack during debate(it has been proven today)
« Reply #24 on: August 20, 2008, 08:54:30 PM »
BHO on Iraq --


http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brad-wilmouth/2008/03/02/fncs-rove-highlights-obamas-flip-flop-iraq-troop-withdrawal

Excerpts:

On Thursday's The O'Reilly Factor, FNC analyst Karl Rove quoted an AP story by Christopher Wills from September 18, 2004, which had reported not only that Barack Obama had previously been open to a U.S. troop increase in Iraq when he was running for Senate, but had warned against a premature troop withdrawal as a "slap in the face to the troops fighting there" which could make Iraq "an extraordinary hotbed of terrorist activity."

From the September 18, 2004 AP:

    Democratic Senate candidate Barack Obama said Saturday he would be willing to send more soldiers to Iraq if it is part of a strategy that the president and military leaders believe will stabilize the country and eventually allow America to withdraw.

    "If that strategy made sense and would lead ultimately to the pullout of U.S. troops but in the short term required additional troop strength to protect those who are already on the ground, then that's something I would support," he said.

    America cannot afford to withdraw immediately, said Obama, an early opponent of invading Iraq.

    That would create more chaos in Iraq and make it "an extraordinary hotbed of terrorist activity," he said at a meeting of the Illinois News Broadcasters Association. It would also damage America's international prestige and amount to "a slap in the face" to the troops fighting there, he said.

    Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry has accused President Bush of hiding a plan to mobilize more National Guard and Reserve troops after the election. Kerry says if elected, he would withdraw American troops from Iraq within four years - a timetable that Obama said he can accept.

    "Given the situation on the ground, I think if we had our troops out in four years, that would be an extraordinary accomplishment," Obama said.

    Obama said Bush has bungled the war in Iraq, letting it distract from efforts to hunt down Osama bin Laden and other al-Qaida terrorists.



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Re: mccain will eat up barack during debate(it has been proven today)
« Reply #25 on: August 20, 2008, 08:56:36 PM »
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So effectively, Secret service is lying when it gives a statement that Mac had not audio/video access before he went on stage; and Rick Warren is lying too when he says Mac never got to hear any questions or BHO replies. In fact, on Hannity & Colmes, Rick Warren said that he had given BHO a couple questions in advance while Mac had no such benefit. So, who is lying, or spreading lies?

Ruchir, hypothtically speaking

JMc was in the motorcade for a duration of BHO's questioning which was being broadcast.

Lets assume he didnt hear the broadcast live. Lets assume he was not even supplied the questions.

But whats to prevent one of his aides / stratgists coach him on some of the topics covered by the questions without revealing that these were the actual questions ? after all, the aides had access to the broadcast, access to email et all.

Its quite simple really and its quite possible.

Why waste time debating what cannot be proven anyways.

It cant be proven that McCain had access
It cannot be proven that McCain didnt have access.

What is certain is that he was not in the cone of silence all the time
And that opportunities existed for him to get wind of the convo --irrespective of whether he knew or not.

Correct... it can't be proven either ways. So, in order to levy an allegation, you should have some basis for it, right? Some proof. Otherwise the allegation does not remain an allegation. It becomes a lie, slander.

Remember what you are saying in the Infy thread? Something like Innocent until proven guilty.
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Re: mccain will eat up barack during debate(it has been proven today)
« Reply #26 on: August 20, 2008, 08:56:50 PM »
kban,
Where is the original thread that reported this cone of silence issue? I contributed to the thread but cannot find it.
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« Reply #27 on: August 20, 2008, 08:58:22 PM »
BHO on Jerusalem --


http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/06/05/obama_backtracks_on_jerusalem.html

Excerpt:

Obama, during a speech Wednesday to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, a pro-israel lobbying group, had called for Jerusalem to become the site of the U.S. embassy, a frequent pledge for U.S. presidential candidates. (It is now in Tel Aviv.) But his statement that Jerusalem should be the undivided capital of Israel drew a swift rebuke from Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas.

Obama quickly backtracked today in an interview with CNN.

"Well, obviously, it's going to be up to the parties to negotiate a range of these issues. And Jerusalem will be part of those negotiations," Obama said when asked whether Palestinians had no future claim to the city.



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Re: mccain will eat up barack during debate(it has been proven today)
« Reply #28 on: August 20, 2008, 09:01:10 PM »
BHO on NAFTA --


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=57422

Excerpt:

Texas and Ohio hold nominating contests March 4, and Obama has criticized the North American Free Trade Agreement at campaign stops in both states.

"What the world should interpret is my consistent position, which is I believe in trade," he said after meeting with workers at a manufacturing plant in Ohio. "I just want to make sure that the rules of the road apply to everybody and they are fair and that they reflect the interests of workers and not just corporate profits."

Just last October, however, Obama announced he would vote for a Peruvian trade agreement that would expand NAFTA into that country.

In fact, he was the first presidential candidate to declare support for the NAFTA expansion.
He was also the keynote speaker at a luncheon of the Hamilton Project – a Wall Street group working to drive a wedge between Democrats and organized labor on globalization issues.



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« Reply #29 on: August 20, 2008, 09:01:58 PM »
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Correct... it can't be proven either ways. So, in order to levy an allegation, you should have some basis for it, right? Some proof. Otherwise the allegation does not remain an allegation. It becomes a lie, slander.

Remember what you are saying in the Infy thread? Something like Innocent until proven guilty.

But I did not make any allegations.  ;D
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« Reply #30 on: August 20, 2008, 09:03:55 PM »
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Correct... it can't be proven either ways. So, in order to levy an allegation, you should have some basis for it, right? Some proof. Otherwise the allegation does not remain an allegation. It becomes a lie, slander.

Remember what you are saying in the Infy thread? Something like Innocent until proven guilty.

But I did not make any allegations.  ;D

I know  ;D . BHO camp did, which was picked by Andrea M.
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« Reply #31 on: August 20, 2008, 09:06:36 PM »
BHO's Iraq policy--


http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/02/mccain-to-obama.html

Excerpt:

At a rally in Columbus, Ohio today, Senator Obama responded to McCain's comments: "I said well I would always reserve the right to go in and strike against al Qaeda if they were in Iraq, so ya know, this is how politics works. McCain thought that he could make a clever point by saying 'well let me give you some news Barack, al Qaeda IS in Iraq,' like I wasn't reading the papers, like I -- like I didn't know what was going on," Obama said.

He then launched into a strong retort, "Well, first of all, I DO know that al Qaeda is in Iraq, that's why I've said we should continue to strike al Qaeda targets. But I have some news for John McCain, and that is that there was no such thing as al Qaeda in Iraq until George Bush and John McCain decided to invade Iraq!" he said.

......

"I intend to bring [it] to an end so that we can actually start going after al Qaeda in Afghanistan and in the hills of Pakistan like we should have been doing in the first place!That's the news John McCain!"

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So, do you see the inbuilt contradiction in Obama's Iraq policy?

1. He says he will bring the troops back from Iraq.
2. He says he will go back into Iraq if AQ is forming bases there.
3. He says AQ is there is Iraq.

So the question is - if he knows AQ is there in Iraq and he will go back in Iraq if he finds AQ there, then why the hell is he talking about withdrawing troops back and letting AQ form bases there , so that he can go back in to fight them again?

When he says that we have to continue to strike AQ, then how does US do that if we withdraw from Iraq? He says he knows AQ is there in Iraq. So we have to continue to strike them. He wants to strike AQ by withdrawing troops from Iraq?

In the 2nd part he says that he wants to go after AQ in the hills of Pakistan. What does that mean? He will start another war with PAK? If not, then how does he plan to go after them in PAK? PAK govt is not going to do it for him. What exactly does he mean by this PAK statement?



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Re: mccain will eat up barack during debate(it has been proven today)
« Reply #32 on: August 20, 2008, 09:11:22 PM »


THE 27 McCAIN FLIP-FLOPS 
Posted on 7/16/2008
http://www.wegoted.com/news/detail.asp?newsID=268
 

 
1) Was against the Bush tax cuts; now is for making them permanent and even bigger.

2) Was against the GI Bill; now is for the GI Bill.

3) Was for immigration reform; now is against immigration reform - and repudiated his own prior position on immigration reform.

4) Opposed the McCain-Feingold campaign finance reform bill - which had his name on it.

5) Was for gay marriage, and then opposed gay marriage.

6) Was for Roe v. Wade, then was against Roe v. Wade; then for it, sort of; then against it, sort of.

7) Was for storing nuclear waste at Yucca Mountain; then was against it.

8) In 2000 was for military action against rogue states; now is against it, EXCEPT for Iran….which he sings about bombing and says it's good to sell them cigarettes so we can kill them.

9) Negotiating with North Korea; was against it; then for it, especially when Bush did it.

10) Negotiating with Castro's Cuba - in 2000 was for it, now against it.

11) No negotiating with terrorists except when Colin Powell went to Syria in 2002 and when, in 2006, said we'd eventually have to deal with Hamas.

12) Unilateral military action against terrorists in Pakistan - against it when Obama said it was good; for it when Bush did it in the spring of 2008.

13) Warrantless wiretaps - against them 6 months ago; for them now.

14) Torturing detainees - always against it; since he was tortured he should know. Now, in favor of torturing detainees.

15) Perpetual detention of detainees - bad a few years ago, good now.

16) Iraq - the right course in 2004; stay the course in 2005 and now he was always against the flawed strategy - especially when Rumsfeld was there.

17) Estate tax - for it in 2006; against it now.

18) 2004 - for privatizing Social Security; 2008 against privatizing Social Security.

19) February 2008 promised a balanced budget in 4 years. April 2008 said it will take 8 years. June 2008…..back to 4 years. [And, since he is now for the Bush tax cuts, balancing the budget EVER will be impossible.]

20) In 2008 - first glad to look at oil windfall profits tax; then it's a bad idea - Jimmy Carter's bad idea.

21) In 2000 - no new offshore oil drilling; now, just very recently, it's a great idea.

22) In 2000 - attacked Bush fundraising leaders; in 2006 had some of the same people co-chair his own fundraisers.

23) In 2000 - Jerry Falwell was an "agent of intolerance"; in 2006 McCain delivered the commencement address at Falwell's Liberty University and in 2008 McCain was big buddies with Rev. Hagee and Pastor Parsley.

24) Opposed and voted against the Martin Luther King holiday; now says he was for it.

25) 1986 - opposed South African divestment to attack apartheid; June 2008, praised it.

26) In 2000 - defended South Carolina's Confederate flag as a symbol of heritage; in 2002 said it should come down and it was an "act of political cowardice to not take it down."

27) 2000 - against teaching creationism in schools; 2005 - alternatives to evolution should be taught.
 
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« Reply #34 on: August 20, 2008, 09:19:12 PM »
Thanks kban. It was the same thread that WN hijacked  ;D

Like he-who-shall-not-be-named, I must complain that the search function is bad :)
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« Reply #35 on: August 20, 2008, 09:20:35 PM »
McCain supporter:
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I see that BHO camp was so terrified with the response BHO received (for his answers) that they are now alleging that Mac cheated by hearing BHO's answers. This, when Rick Warren clearly said that Mac was in a "cone of silence"!!!

Did the religious person lie? Or is the follower misled?




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« Reply #36 on: August 20, 2008, 09:24:25 PM »
http://massdiscussion.blogspot.com/2008/06/collection-of-obama-flip-flops.html


Running for President or Vice President of the United States: On the January 22nd edition of “Meet the Press,” Tim Russert and Obama had the following exchange:Russert: “When we talked back in November of ‘04 after your election, I said, ‘There’s been enormous speculation about your political future. Will you serve your six-year term as United States senator from Illinois?’”Obama: “I will serve out my full six-year term. You know, Tim, if you get asked enough, sooner or later you get weary and you start looking for new ways of saying things. But my thinking has not changed.”Russert: “So you will not run for president or vice president in 2008?” Obama: “I will not.”


Single-Payer Healthcare: On January 22nd, the Hillary Clinton Campaign releases a video that proves that Obama lied about his position on “single-payer healthcare.”The video compares statements Obama made during the January 21st Democratic debate with those he made to an AFL-CIO conference in June 2003 while campaigning for the Senate. Contradicting what Obama said at the debate, the old footage shows the senator saying, “I happen to be a proponent of single-payer universal healthcare coverage. That’s what I’d like to see.”At the debate, Obama stated: “I never said that we should try to go ahead and get single-payer (healthcare).”Single-payer healthcare is an euphemism for socialized medicine.


Donations from Lobbyists and Special Interest PACS: Obama say he doesn’t take money from DC lobbyists and special interest PACS. This is the type of double-talk “politics of the past” rhetoric Obama rails against.While his claim is technically true, what he does do is take money from state lobbyists and other big money contributors who have substantial lobbyist machines in DC, like law firms and corporations.In April 2007, the LA Times quoted the Campaign Finance Institute’s Stephen Weissman as pointing out that the distinction Obama makes on lobbyist money is meaningless: “He gets an asterisk that says he is trying to be different. … But overall, the same wealthy interests are funding his campaign as are funding other candidates, whether or not they are lobbyists.”The Capital Eye reported that “[a]ccording to the Center for Responsive Politics, 14 of Obama’s top 20 contributors employed lobbyists this year, spending a total of $16.2 million to influence the federal government in the first six months of 2007.”


Meeting with Foreign Leaders: Obama Now Claims That He Will Only Meet With Foreign Leaders At A Time Of His Choosing If It Will Advance U.S. Interests, But Previously Said He Would Meet With Rogue Leaders His First Year In Office Without Preconditions:

In His Remarks To The AIPAC Conference, Obama Claimed That He Would Only Meet With The "Appropriate Iranian Leaders At A Time And Place" Of His Choosing. Obama: "Contrary to the claims of some, I have no interest in sitting down with our adversaries just for the sake of talking. But as President of the United States, I would be willing to lead tough and principled diplomacy with the appropriate Iranian leaders at a time and place of my choosing - if, and only if - it can advance the interests of the United States." (Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks At The Annual AIPAC Policy Conference, Arlington, VA, 6/4/08)

But At A July 2007 Debate, Obama Said He Would Meet With Hostile Leaders During His First Year In Office. Question: "[W]ould you be willing to meet separately, without precondition, during the first year of your administration, in Washington or anywhere else, with the leaders of Iran, Syria, Venezuela, Cuba and North Korea, in order to bridge the gap that divides our countries?"...Obama: "I would. And the reason is this, that the notion that somehow not talking to countries is punishment to them - which has been the guiding diplomatic principle of this administration - is ridiculous." (CNN/YouTube Democrat Presidential Candidate Debate, Charleston, SC, 7/23/07)

At A September 2007 Press Conference, Obama Confirmed That He Would Meet Specifically With Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Question: "Senator, you've said before that you'd meet with President Ahmadinejad ..." Obama: "Uh huh." Question: "Would you still meet with him today?" Obama: "Yeah, nothing's changed with respect to my belief that strong countries and strong presidents talk to their enemies and talk to their adversaries. I find many of President Ahmadinejad's statements odious and I've said that repeatedly. And I think that we have to recognize that there are a lot of rogue nations in the world that don't have American interests at heart. But what I also believe is that, as John F. Kennedy said, we should never negotiate out of fear but we should never fear to negotiate." (Sen. Barack Obama, Press Conference, New York, NY, 9/24/07)


Illegal Immigrants and Driver's Licenses: As a state senator in Illinois, Obama voted to require illegal immigrants to get a driver's license. The change? In the November 2007 CNN debate, he was asked what his stand was on that issue and he said, "I am not proposing that's what we do."



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« Reply #37 on: August 20, 2008, 09:31:07 PM »
McCain supporter:
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I see that BHO camp was so terrified with the response BHO received (for his answers) that they are now alleging that Mac cheated by hearing BHO's answers. This, when Rick Warren clearly said that Mac was in a "cone of silence"!!!

Did the religious person lie? Or is the follower misled?

Religious person lied... as did BHO campaign.
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« Reply #38 on: August 20, 2008, 09:34:25 PM »
Thanks kban. It was the same thread that WN hijacked  ;D

I hijacked the thread.. wah bhai wah.. and who is discussing tire pressure and oil changes (which is highly related to Musharraf, yeah right) ;D
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« Reply #39 on: August 20, 2008, 10:02:52 PM »
More BHO flip flops --


http://www.nelsonguirado.com/index.php/asymmetric/2008/07/09/comprehensive-obama-flip-flop-list


Barack Obama Is Considering Reducing Corporate Taxes Despite Having Called Corporate Tax Cuts "The Exact Wrong Prescription For America"

The Wall Street Journal Reported That Barack Obama Would Consider Lowering Corporate Taxes. "Sen. Obama's nod to lowering corporate taxes comes as Republicans have been attacking him for proposals that would raise the cost of doing business, such as his pledge to raise the tax rate on capital gains, and his vow to increase the top income-tax rates, which are often used by small, unincorporated enterprises. He didn't say how deeply he would cut the rate, but said it could be trimmed in return for reducing corporate tax breaks, simplifying the tax system." (Bob Davis and Amy Chozick, "Obama Plans Spending Boost, Possible Cut In Business Tax," The Wall Street Journal, 6/17/08)

Just Last Month, Barack Obama Called Corporate Tax Cuts "The Exact Wrong Prescription For America." OBAMA: "And his proposals, which are essentially $300 billion worth of corporate tax cuts ... I think is the exact wrong prescription for America." (NBC's "Meet The Press," 5/4/08)


Barack Obama Has Changed Positions On The D.C. Handgun Ban

In June 2008, Barack Obama Said He Thought The D.C. Handgun Ban Was Unconstitutional. Obama: "It looks to me that the D.C. handgun ban overshot the runway. That it went beyond constitutional limits." (Bloomberg's "Taking Stock," 6/26/08)

Obama Campaign: "Obama Believes The D.C. Handgun Law Is Constitutional." "[T]he campaign of Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama said that he '...believes that we can recognize and respect the rights of law-abiding gun owners and the right of local communities to enact common sense laws to combat violence and save lives. Obama believes the D.C. handgun law is constitutional.'" (James Oliphant and Michael J. Higgins, "Court To Hear Gun Case," Chicago Tribune, 11/20/07)

During An Interview, Barack Obama Acknowledged His Support For The D.C. Gun Ban. Questioner Leon Harris: "One other issue that's of great importance here in the district as well is gun control. You said in Idaho recently - I'm quoting here - 'I have no intention of taking away folks' guns,' but you support the D.C. handgun ban." Obama: "Right." (Leon Harris and Sen. Barack Obama, Forum Sponsored By ABC And Politico.Com, Washington, DC, 2/12/08)


Barack Obama Has Shifted From Opposing Welfare Reform To Celebrating Welfare Reform In A Television Ad

In His Newest Television Ad, Barack Obama Touts His Role In Slashing Welfare Rolls, But Leaves Out That He Was Against The 1996 Federal Legislation That Enacted Welfare Reform. "Barack Obama aligned himself with welfare reform on Monday, launching a television ad which touts the way the overhaul 'slashed the rolls by 80 percent.' Obama leaves out, however, that he was against the 1996 federal legislation which precipitated the caseload reduction." (Teddy Davis and Gregory Wallace, "Obama Shifts On Welfare Reform," ABC News' "Political Radar" Blog, http://blogs.abcnews.com, Posted 7/1/08)

In 1997, Barack Obama Said He Would Have Probably Not Supported Federal Welfare Reform Legislation. "'I am not a defender of the status quo with respect to welfare,' Obama said on the floor of the Illinois state Senate on May 31, 1997. 'Having said that, I probably would not have supported the federal legislation, because I think it had some problems.'" (Teddy Davis and Gregory Wallace, "Obama Shifts On Welfare Reform," ABC News' "Political Radar" Blog, http://blogs.abcnews.com, Posted 7/1/08)


As A Presidential Candidate, Barack Obama Criticizes The Administration's Energy Policy Despite Having Voted For The 2005 Bush-Cheney Energy Bill

Barack Obama Attacks John McCain On Energy Policy, Saying He Will Be A "Third Bush Term." OBAMA: "Make no mistake, this is an area where John McCain is offering a third Bush term." (Thomas Fitzgerald, "Obama Knocks McCain, Says Primary Fight Not Hurting, Philadelphia Inquirer, 4/1/08)

"Obama, Of Course, Voted For The 2005 Energy Bill, Which Passed The Senate Overwhelmingly 74-26." (Jake Tapper, "Who's Offering A 3rd Bush Term On Energy?" ABC News' "Political Punch" Blog, blogs.abcnews.com, 4/3/08)

"Someone Else Who Voted Against It? The Candidate Whom Obama Says Is Offering 'A Third Bush Term' On Energy Policy -- John McCain." (Jake Tapper, "Who's Offering A 3rd Bush Term On Energy?" ABC News' "Political Punch" Blog, blogs.abcnews.com, 4/3/08)


Barack Obama Has Shifted Positions On Nuclear Power

In September 2007, Barack Obama Said "I Don't Think That We Can Take Nuclear Power Off The Table". "I don't think that we can take nuclear power off the table. What we have to make sure of is that we have the capacity to store it properly and safely, and that we reduce whatever threats might come from terrorism." (Sen. Barack Obama, MSNBC Democrat Presidential Candidate Debate, Hanover, NH, 9/26/07)

In December 2007, Barack Obama Said "I Am Not A Nuclear Energy Proponent". "I start off with the premise that nuclear energy is not optimal. I am not a nuclear energy proponent." (Sen. Barack Obama, Remarks At Town Hall Event, Newton, IA, 12/30/07)


During The Primaries, Barack Obama Pledged To Filibuster Any Bill Which Contained Immunity For Telecommunications Companies Involved In Electronic Surveillance, But Now Backs A Compromise Bill

In October 2007, The Obama Campaign Pledged He Would Filibuster "Any Bill That Includes Retroactive Immunity For Telecommunications Companies." Obama Spokesman Bill Burton: "To be clear: Barack will support a filibuster of any bill that includes retroactive immunity for telecommunications companies." (Greg Sargent, "Obama Camp Says It: He'll Support Filibuster Of Any Bill Containing Telecom Immunity," Talking Points Memo's "Election Central" Blog, tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com, 10/24/07)

Barack Obama Now Supports A Bill Reauthorizing Electronic Surveillance That Grants Immunity To Telecommunications Companies. Obama: "Under this compromise legislation, an important tool in the fight against terrorism will continue. It does, however, grant retroactive immunity, and I will work in the Senate to remove this provision so that we can seek full accountability for past offenses. So I support the compromise, but do so with a firm pledge that as President, I will carefully monitor the program, review the report by the Inspectors General, and work with the Congress to take any additional steps I deem necessary to protect the lives and the liberty of the American people." (Ben Smith, "Obama Backs FISA Compromise," The Politico's "Ben Smith" Blog,


Barack Obama Disagreed With The Supreme Court Decision Striking Down The Use Of The Death Penalty For A Convicted Child Rapist Although In The Past He Opposed The Death Penalty

When Asked About Today's Supreme Court Decision Striking Down The Use Of The Death Penalty For A Child Rapist, Barack Obama Stated That He Disagreed With The Decision. Reporter: "Senator, what's your reaction to the Supreme Court's decision today striking down the death penalty for a child rapist?" Obama: "I disagree with the decision. I have said repeatedly that I think that the death penalty should be applied in very narrow circumstances, for the most egregious of crimes. I think that the rape of a small child, 6 or 8 years old, is a heinous crime. And if a state makes a decision that under narrow, limited, well-defined circumstances, the death penalty is at least potentially applicable, that that does not violate our constitution. Now, I think it's -- you know, had the Supreme Court said we want to constrain the ability of the states to do this to make sure that it's done in a careful and appropriate way, that would have been one thi ng. But it basically had a blanket prohibition and I disagreed with that decision." (Sen. Barack Obama, Press Conference, Chicago, IL, 6/25/08)

Running For The Illinois State Senate In 1996, Barack Obama Opposed The Death Penalty. Question: "Do you support capital punishment?" Obama's Answer: "No." (Independent Voters Of Illinois Independent Precinct Organization 1996 General Candidate Questionnaire, Barack Obama Responses, 9/9/96)


Barack Obama Said He Would Debate "Anywhere, Anytime" But Has Rejected Joint Town Hall Meetings

Barack Obama Says He Would Debate John McCain "Anywhere, Anytime." OBAMA: "I am happy to have a debate with John McCain and George Bush about foreign policy. If John McCain wants to meet me anywhere, anytime, to have a debate about our respective policies in Iraq, Iran, the Middle East or around the world, that is a conversation I am happy to have. Because I believe that there is no separation between John McCain and George Bush when it comes to our Middle East policy and I think their policy has failed." (Barack Obama, Media Availability, Watertown, SD, 5/16/08)

However, Barack Obama Has Rejected Joint Town Hall Meetings. "Avoiding town hall meetings and rejecting public campaign financing may be predictable strategies for minimizing one of McCain's greatest strengths and exploiting one of his key weaknesses. But they pull Obama down into the cynical political calculations he pledged to rise above." (Editorial, "Obama's Big Words Ring Hollow," St. Petersburg Times, 6/20/08)


Barack Obama decides to tap the strategic oil reserve.

“Sen. Obama has looked at this issue, he recognizes that Americans are suffering, that we have a unique situation with rising gas prices and this is one occasion where we need to look at this strategically and he made the decision that we need to tap the strategic petroleum reserves.

Obama last month said he did not think the country should use the strategic oil reserves "at this point."

"I have said and in fact supported a congressional resolution that said we should suspend putting more oil into the strategic oil reserve but the strategic oil reserve I think has to be reserved for a genuine emergency," he said on July 7.


Obama now says he's "open" to oil drilling.

Obama said Friday that he would be willing to compromise on his position against offshore oil drilling if it were part of a more overarching strategy to lower energy costs.

"My interest is in making sure we've got the kind of comprehensive energy policy that can bring down gas prices," Obama told The Palm Beach Post early into a two-day swing through Florida.

But on Saturday morning, Obama said this "wasn't really a new position."

"I made a general point about the fact that we need to provide the American people some relief and that there has been constructive conversations between Republicans and Democrats in the Senate on this issue," he said during a press conference in Cape Canaveral.

"What I will not do, and this has always been my position, is to support a plan that suggests this drilling is the answer to our energy problems," Obama added.

"If we've got a plan on the table that I think meets the goals that America has to set and there are some things in there that I don't like, then obviously that's something that I would consider because that's the nature of how we govern in a democracy."

The senator from Illinois has spoken out against offshore drilling since Sen. John McCain in June proposed striking down the federal moratorium banning offshore oil and gas drilling to help alleviate high gas prices. See where offshore drilling is allowed

"When I'm president, I intend to keep in place the moratorium here in Florida and around the country that prevents oil companies from drilling off Florida's coasts," Obama told reporters in Jacksonville in late June. "That's how we can protect our coastline and still make the investments that will reduce our dependence on foreign oil and bring down gas prices for good."


Obama flip flops in the same sentence in response to a seven year old girl's question about why he wants to be president. Obama wants to turn back the clock and more forward; Back to the Future?
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/KR_GJviltL4&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/KR_GJviltL4&rel=0</a>  <<listen to his reasons>>


Obama insists he voted for protecting infants who survive abortion, but he actually voted against just such a law. When he insisted that he only voted against it because it would water down abortion, he lied because the law included such a provision. <<follow the links on the page>>


Obama said, at the Saddleback forum that he thinks marriage is between a man and a woman, but would vote against a federal amendment saying so because it would prohibit people from visiting their lovers in hospitals. California has a proposition that defines marriage as being between a man and a woman and doesn't restrict civil unions. He won't support it.



Just words!!! Just speeches!!! Don't tell me words don't matter!!! -- BHO
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