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[hastalavistababy]

Delhi High Court lifts ban on SIMI

 
 
A specially-designated tribunal has lifted the ban on the Students Islamic Movement of India.

In a 267-page judgment, Justice Geeta Mittal, a Delhi [Images] High Court judge, stated that the material provided by the Home Ministry to justify the ban, was insufficient.

                 

The Centre has no evidence against SIMI [Images], claimed the banned outfit's lawyer Trideep Pais.

The government maintains that SIMI still indulges in communal activities and it is a threat to the country.

The organisation has been banned by the Centre for the last seven years and the government issued a fresh notification in February this year to extend the ban for another two years under Unlawful Activities (Prevention) Acts.

                                             
The Centre would appeal against the judgment in Supreme Cour

[flute]

most probably center messed up the case and did not prepare for the case in earnest taking the ban for granted. They will wake up now and present more evidence in supreme court. Either that or center simply do not have enough evidence to support all their claims about SIMI. No evidence to put down judge yet. no evidence to show that she did not do her job according to the letter of the law.

[OldPal]

Hmm what happens now ? Does this Indian Mujjahiddin become a legal organization ?

[ramshorns]

<<Families of people killed in terrorist acts mode on.  >>

Beat the heck out of anyone who is part of SIMI and ban it for 2 years following the last terror attack of an Indian city.  And should something happen in the wait period keep extending the ban for 2 years again.

<<Families of people killed in terrorist acts mode off  >>

[ramshorns]

I am sorry can someone here provide me the competency and credentials of Geeta Mittal.

Common sense says in matters of such magnitude concerning national security there will be a tribunal of people making the call rather than one individual passing a judgement.

Oh well.

[flute]

<<Families of people killed in terrorist acts mode on.  >>

Beat the heck out of anyone who is part of SIMI and ban it for 2 years following the last terror attack of an Indian city.  And should something happen in the wait period keep extending the ban for 2 years again.

<<Families of people killed in terrorist acts mode off  >>

do some research on SIMI, it did start as a VHP type organisation. So, if we beat the heck of everyone without establishing if SIMI is indeed terrorist organisation, see below


<<Families of people killed in SIMI beat the heck up mode on.  >>

to hell with this country, nobody believes us, we don't get fair treatment from this system, lets beat the heck out of this system. that corner masjid mulla was right..this is a bloody kafir country.

<<Families of people killed in SIMI beat heck up mode off  >>

and the cycle continues....

[hastalavistababy]

High Court directive to Centre
New Delhi: The Delhi High Court has directed the Centre to issue passports to three children of Mohd Ahmed Dossa, an alleged offender in 1993 Mumbai blast case and fugitive. But the court imposed a condition that in case the activities of petitioners are found to be prejudicial to the interest of the State, the Centre would be at liberty to consider the case in accordance with law. Directing the government to issue passports to petitioners, “the respondent (Centre) has failed to examine the matter on a case to case basis and has taken a general view that because the petitioners are children of an alleged offender and fugitive, they must be denied an unconditional passport.

“Such action and the restrictions are contrary to the principles of the law and the policy of the government,” said Justice Gita Mittal in a judgment and asked the Centre for issuance of passport to them at the earliest.

“The respondent (Centre) shall issue passport to the petitioners (children) without any limitation. This order shall be subject to the condition, that in case the activities of the petitioners are found to be prejudicial, in any manner to the interest of the state, at any stage, the Centre would be at liberty to consider the case in accordance with law,” said Justice Gita Mittal. The Court was hearing a petition filed by Dossa’s daughters - Lubna Mohd Dossa, Sana and their brother Yasin, presently based in Dubai.-

[flute]

High Court directive to Centre
New Delhi: The Delhi High Court has directed the Centre to issue passports to three children of Mohd Ahmed Dossa, an alleged offender in 1993 Mumbai blast case and fugitive. But the court imposed a condition that in case the activities of petitioners are found to be prejudicial to the interest of the State, the Centre would be at liberty to consider the case in accordance with law. Directing the government to issue passports to petitioners, “the respondent (Centre) has failed to examine the matter on a case to case basis and has taken a general view that because the petitioners are children of an alleged offender and fugitive, they must be denied an unconditional passport.

“Such action and the restrictions are contrary to the principles of the law and the policy of the government,” said Justice Gita Mittal in a judgment and asked the Centre for issuance of passport to them at the earliest.

“The respondent (Centre) shall issue passport to the petitioners (children) without any limitation. This order shall be subject to the condition, that in case the activities of the petitioners are found to be prejudicial, in any manner to the interest of the state, at any stage, the Centre would be at liberty to consider the case in accordance with law,” said Justice Gita Mittal. The Court was hearing a petition filed by Dossa’s daughters - Lubna Mohd Dossa, Sana and their brother Yasin, presently based in Dubai.-

now that we seem to be in the witch hunt for geeta mittle, below is her brief biography

http://delhihighcourt.nic.in/gitamittal.htm

by the way, even if she committed murder on previous occasion, her judgement in this case cannot be called into question unless we find something about the way the case was tried and judged. for example, who represented SIMI in court? who paid this advocate?

[prfsr]

High Court directive to Centre
New Delhi: The Delhi High Court has directed the Centre to issue passports to three children of Mohd Ahmed Dossa, an alleged offender in 1993 Mumbai blast case and fugitive. But the court imposed a condition that in case the activities of petitioners are found to be prejudicial to the interest of the State, the Centre would be at liberty to consider the case in accordance with law. Directing the government to issue passports to petitioners, “the respondent (Centre) has failed to examine the matter on a case to case basis and has taken a general view that because the petitioners are children of an alleged offender and fugitive, they must be denied an unconditional passport.

“Such action and the restrictions are contrary to the principles of the law and the policy of the government,” said Justice Gita Mittal in a judgment and asked the Centre for issuance of passport to them at the earliest.

“The respondent (Centre) shall issue passport to the petitioners (children) without any limitation. This order shall be subject to the condition, that in case the activities of the petitioners are found to be prejudicial, in any manner to the interest of the state, at any stage, the Centre would be at liberty to consider the case in accordance with law,” said Justice Gita Mittal. The Court was hearing a petition filed by Dossa’s daughters - Lubna Mohd Dossa, Sana and their brother Yasin, presently based in Dubai.-

now that we seem to be in the witch hunt for geeta mittle, below is her brief biography

http://delhihighcourt.nic.in/gitamittal.htm

by the way, even if she committed murder on previous occasion, her judgement in this case cannot be called into question unless we find something about the way the case was tried and judged. for example, who represented SIMI in court? who paid this advocate?

What kind of a judge is this? She is OLD (almost 50)! If we stick to old has-been maharathis like this, what can we expect? Could they not get a young judge who actually is alive and could hit simi HARD? If we do not give other judges a chance how do we know they will not do better than her?

Other objections:
1. "She has represented Delhi in national level open championships and also captained Delhi Juniors in volleyball. She was the Sports President of the Lady Shri Ram College (1977-1978) and was the recipient of All Round Best Sports Person Award of the College in 1978."  -- she must have become a judge thru the sports quota.

2. "nominated to the Governing Body of Ram Lal Anand College from 12th November, 1997 to 11th November, 1999." -- so she was an acdemic -- therefore by definition a Leftist. Frigging Commie!!!

3. When she was a law student, in 1978, "she was again invited and participated as a unit leader in an international performing arts event Melody 'n' Makebelieve in the USA and thereafter in 1979 in other capacities" -- performing arts? In the 70's? She must be a frigging ganja-addicted hippie. No wonder she did not learn the law well.

That's all the mud I could throw. Somebody else take over now.
 

[ramshorns]

<<Families of people killed in terrorist acts mode on.  >>

Beat the heck out of anyone who is part of SIMI and ban it for 2 years following the last terror attack of an Indian city.  And should something happen in the wait period keep extending the ban for 2 years again.

<<Families of people killed in terrorist acts mode off  >>

do some research on SIMI, it did start as a VHP type organisation. So, if we beat the heck of everyone without establishing if SIMI is indeed terrorist organisation, see below


<<Families of people killed in SIMI beat the heck up mode on.  >>

to hell with this country, nobody believes us, we don't get fair treatment from this system, lets beat the heck out of this system. that corner masjid mulla was right..this is a bloody kafir country.

<<Families of people killed in SIMI beat heck up mode off  >>

and the cycle continues....

Are you a SIMI activist in disguise.  Just checking.  Nothing personal.

Regardless of what the judgement says I happen to believe there are some members in that orgainsation that work against the interests of India and support terror and hence be banished.

 

[RicePlateReddy]

The real problem lies elsewhere. Look at what is happening here (author M J Akbar):

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticleNew.asp?col=&section=opinion&xfile=data/opinion/2008/August/opinion_August18.xml

[ramshorns]

Simi also behind Bengaluru blasts
 
 
Ahmedabad, Aug. 5: Even as the Gujarat police continues to interrogate Simi activists reportedly involved in the serial bombings, it has been revealed that at least two Simi activists from Gujarat were involved in the Bengaluru bombs blasts also.  Ahmedabad-based Simi activist Arif Kagdi has been interrogated by the Gujarat police. His name also figured while Simi activists were interrogated by the Mumbai and Bengaluru police in connection with the recent terror attacks.

Meanwhile, the city crime branch has obtained sketches of seven people who might be involved in the Jaipur bomb explosions in an effort to gather leads in the Ahmedabad serial blasts on July 26, a senior police official has said. "We have obtained sketches of seven suspects who could be involved in Jaipur bomb blasts. We are studying them for any link with Ahmedabad serial blasts," joint commissioner of police Ashish Bhatia said. "The sketches will be studied by our experts and if needed, might be shown to eye-witnesses," he added.

The Madhya Pradesh police recently arrested a Simi activist, Abdul, from Ujjain. He revealed to the Mumbai ATS that 15 Simi activists had gathered for a two-day workshop and meeting in central Gujarat on January 13. He told the police that out of the 15 people, seven were Gujarat-based only. This included Baroda-based Sajid Mansuri also.

The Gujarat police is already on the lookout for Sajid for his involvement in the Ahmedabad blasts. The police has yet not been able to nail down Sajid. The common names in the Ahmedabad and Bengaluru bomb blasts emerged after the Karnataka police conducted a narco-test on Simi activist Riyazuddin Nasir in February.

This person who had been arrested for another case told the police during the test that a meeting to chalk out disturbance activities in "South India and Gujarat" was held in Ernakulam, which was attended by Gujarat-based Sajid Mansuri and Arif Kagdi. The police says this meeting held in South India was very important for a practical workshop on bomb assembling and handling had also been conducted. Unconfirmed sources said over two dozen of the Simi activists were from MP, Bihar, Karnataka, Kerala and Gujarat. [Rams:What the bloody hell is this]

The Gujarat police wants to interrogate six Simi activists but they have not yet been traced. Three teams from the Gujarat police have already been dispatched to Madhya Pradesh to look out for suspects. Meanwhile, the city police conducted combing operations in various parts of the city on Monday. Several teams from different police stations searched over 3,000 vehicles, 110 hotels and guest houses, 30 public gardens, various farm houses and 42 religious places. They also questioned 155 persons.

The Surat police is also questioning various suspects to get more information. "We are still investigating the cases. There are some leads which may suggest involvement of local Simi workers. We are still looking for concrete evidence in the cases," an official of Surat city police said. Bomb squads have defused 24 explosive devices recovered from various places in the diamond city over the past one week.
 

[ramshorns]

The above report by the way is from Today's edition of DC.

Now you tell me keeping aside what the corrupt judicial system in India has to say who in their right mind would not want SIMI banished till all the terror is routed out in India.

What is the harm in it I ask?

[flute]

<<Families of people killed in terrorist acts mode on.  >>

Beat the heck out of anyone who is part of SIMI and ban it for 2 years following the last terror attack of an Indian city.  And should something happen in the wait period keep extending the ban for 2 years again.

<<Families of people killed in terrorist acts mode off  >>

do some research on SIMI, it did start as a VHP type organisation. So, if we beat the heck of everyone without establishing if SIMI is indeed terrorist organisation, see below


<<Families of people killed in SIMI beat the heck up mode on.  >>

to hell with this country, nobody believes us, we don't get fair treatment from this system, lets beat the heck out of this system. that corner masjid mulla was right..this is a bloody kafir country.

<<Families of people killed in SIMI beat heck up mode off  >>

and the cycle continues....

Are you a SIMI activist in disguise.  Just checking.  Nothing personal.

Regardless of what the judgement says I happen to believe there are some members in that orgainsation that work against the interests of India and support terror and hence be banished.

 

I knew that is coming.  . no I am not part of SIMI.
Are you related to any hindu extremist hindu organisation, those who killed so many muslims in mumbai, gujarat etc.? Again, just checking, I am sure you know it is nothing personal. 

If you done checking my antecedents, perhaps, you can please pay a little attention to my posts and realise that no where did I say SIMI is not a terrorist organisation. I was only supporting proper procedure to ban it if it involved in any treason. As simple as that. Again, I am not opposing any ban on SIMI. So far, I commented only on following proper procedure and also not targetting the judge simply because she delivered a judgement we don't like.

[ramshorns]

The real problem lies elsewhere. Look at what is happening here (author M J Akbar):

http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticleNew.asp?col=&section=opinion&xfile=data/opinion/2008/August/opinion_August18.xml

How can anyone reading the article in the above link not get alarmed?

The author clearly says the intelligence reports suggest Indian nationals(read that Indian Muslims) are behind these terror acts ofcourse with the hand of various terror organisations from across the border.

And the govt. is living in denial letting the cancer grow as the author rightly puts it "Treating cancer with a band-aid".

P.S:-If there are any Indian Muslims reading this please understand that I am stating mere facts as are published in various reports and nothing against the faith.  It is no ones business what one practices between closed doors and four walls as long as they go around killing thousands in the name of religion spreading hatred.

[ramshorns]

Supreme Court stays tribunal order lifting ban on SIMI

New Delhi (PTI): The Supreme Court on Wednesday stayed the controversial order of a special tribunal lifting ban on activities of the Students Islamic Movement of India (SIMI).

A petition challenging the tribunal's verdict was mentioned before the bench headed by Chief Justice K G Balakrishnan, which agreed with the Centre seeking a grant of interim stay.

The Court issued a notice to the SIMI and posted the matter for hearing after three weeks.

The tribunal headed by Delhi High Court judge, Justice Geeta Mittal, had yesterday quashed the February 7 notification issued by the government extending the ban on SIMI under the Unlawful Activities (prevention) Act.

The Tribunal had held that the Centre has failed to come up with any new evidence to justify the ban on the organisation.

[RicePlateReddy]

It is no ones business what one practices between closed doors and four walls as long as they go around killing thousands in the name of religion spreading hatred.

You mean as long as they do not go around ....

Here is one more article for you:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article4407115.ece

[flute]

It is no ones business what one practices between closed doors and four walls as long as they go around killing thousands in the name of religion spreading hatred.

You mean as long as they do not go around ....

Here is one more article for you:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article4407115.ece

I am sure a little more than a third of this DG ( hindu dominated by the way) believes in killing for whatever cause. what's the point?

[dextrous]

High Court directive to Centre
New Delhi: The Delhi High Court has directed the Centre to issue passports to three children of Mohd Ahmed Dossa, an alleged offender in 1993 Mumbai blast case and fugitive. But the court imposed a condition that in case the activities of petitioners are found to be prejudicial to the interest of the State, the Centre would be at liberty to consider the case in accordance with law. Directing the government to issue passports to petitioners, “the respondent (Centre) has failed to examine the matter on a case to case basis and has taken a general view that because the petitioners are children of an alleged offender and fugitive, they must be denied an unconditional passport.

“Such action and the restrictions are contrary to the principles of the law and the policy of the government,” said Justice Gita Mittal in a judgment and asked the Centre for issuance of passport to them at the earliest.

“The respondent (Centre) shall issue passport to the petitioners (children) without any limitation. This order shall be subject to the condition, that in case the activities of the petitioners are found to be prejudicial, in any manner to the interest of the state, at any stage, the Centre would be at liberty to consider the case in accordance with law,” said Justice Gita Mittal. The Court was hearing a petition filed by Dossa’s daughters - Lubna Mohd Dossa, Sana and their brother Yasin, presently based in Dubai.-

now that we seem to be in the witch hunt for geeta mittle, below is her brief biography

http://delhihighcourt.nic.in/gitamittal.htm

by the way, even if she committed murder on previous occasion, her judgement in this case cannot be called into question unless we find something about the way the case was tried and judged. for example, who represented SIMI in court? who paid this advocate?

What kind of a judge is this? She is OLD (almost 50)! If we stick to old has-been maharathis like this, what can we expect? Could they not get a young judge who actually is alive and could hit simi HARD? If we do not give other judges a chance how do we know they will not do better than her?

Other objections:
1. "She has represented Delhi in national level open championships and also captained Delhi Juniors in volleyball. She was the Sports President of the Lady Shri Ram College (1977-1978) and was the recipient of All Round Best Sports Person Award of the College in 1978."  -- she must have become a judge thru the sports quota.

2. "nominated to the Governing Body of Ram Lal Anand College from 12th November, 1997 to 11th November, 1999." -- so she was an acdemic -- therefore by definition a Leftist. Frigging Commie!!!

3. When she was a law student, in 1978, "she was again invited and participated as a unit leader in an international performing arts event Melody 'n' Makebelieve in the USA and thereafter in 1979 in other capacities" -- performing arts? In the 70's? She must be a frigging ganja-addicted hippie. No wonder she did not learn the law well.

That's all the mud I could throw. Somebody else take over now.
 

funny! then people wonder why india cannot/does not act against terror!

[ramshorns]

It is no ones business what one practices between closed doors and four walls as long as they go around killing thousands in the name of religion spreading hatred.

You mean as long as they do not go around ....

Here is one more article for you:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article4407115.ece

I am sure a little more than a third of this DG ( hindu dominated by the way) believes in killing for whatever cause. what's the point?

Do you have a problem with that? No one formed this DG with a particular community in mind. 

If you or anyone has any problems with that they can take this non-violent message to a Pak. oriented DG and see how you are recieved there.

Also how do you know 1/3 of this DG is for killing.  It is silly for you to suggest that one condones killing.

[RicePlateReddy]

It is no ones business what one practices between closed doors and four walls as long as they go around killing thousands in the name of religion spreading hatred.

You mean as long as they do not go around ....

Here is one more article for you:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article4407115.ece

I am sure a little more than a third of this DG ( hindu dominated by the way) believes in killing for whatever cause. what's the point?

I believe you are dead wrong on that surmise. You can try a poll.

Try reading Sam Harris' "The End of Faith" ISBN 0393035158.

[flute]

It is no ones business what one practices between closed doors and four walls as long as they go around killing thousands in the name of religion spreading hatred.

You mean as long as they do not go around ....

Here is one more article for you:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article4407115.ece

I am sure a little more than a third of this DG ( hindu dominated by the way) believes in killing for whatever cause. what's the point?

Do you have a problem with that? No one formed this DG with a particular community in mind. 

If you or anyone has any problems with that they can take this non-violent message to a Pak. oriented DG and see how you are recieved there.

Also how do you know 1/3 of this DG is for killing.  It is silly for you to suggest that one condones killing.

Rams, don't get me wrong, don't you think not only one third but a whole lot are for killing? if there is a terror attack or if there is war? I am sure I am for killing terrorists and killing in case of war and so are you. What is so wrong about it?

What the heck, I am also for killing the wrong doers after a proper fair trial if there was an attack on say Tirupati( attacks on hinduism). aren't you? lets be honest here.

I am only trying to bring out the biased survey and reporting in that link.

[flute]

High Court directive to Centre
New Delhi: The Delhi High Court has directed the Centre to issue passports to three children of Mohd Ahmed Dossa, an alleged offender in 1993 Mumbai blast case and fugitive. But the court imposed a condition that in case the activities of petitioners are found to be prejudicial to the interest of the State, the Centre would be at liberty to consider the case in accordance with law. Directing the government to issue passports to petitioners, “the respondent (Centre) has failed to examine the matter on a case to case basis and has taken a general view that because the petitioners are children of an alleged offender and fugitive, they must be denied an unconditional passport.

“Such action and the restrictions are contrary to the principles of the law and the policy of the government,” said Justice Gita Mittal in a judgment and asked the Centre for issuance of passport to them at the earliest.

“The respondent (Centre) shall issue passport to the petitioners (children) without any limitation. This order shall be subject to the condition, that in case the activities of the petitioners are found to be prejudicial, in any manner to the interest of the state, at any stage, the Centre would be at liberty to consider the case in accordance with law,” said Justice Gita Mittal. The Court was hearing a petition filed by Dossa’s daughters - Lubna Mohd Dossa, Sana and their brother Yasin, presently based in Dubai.-

now that we seem to be in the witch hunt for geeta mittle, below is her brief biography

http://delhihighcourt.nic.in/gitamittal.htm

by the way, even if she committed murder on previous occasion, her judgement in this case cannot be called into question unless we find something about the way the case was tried and judged. for example, who represented SIMI in court? who paid this advocate?

What kind of a judge is this? She is OLD (almost 50)! If we stick to old has-been maharathis like this, what can we expect? Could they not get a young judge who actually is alive and could hit simi HARD? If we do not give other judges a chance how do we know they will not do better than her?

Other objections:
1. "She has represented Delhi in national level open championships and also captained Delhi Juniors in volleyball. She was the Sports President of the Lady Shri Ram College (1977-1978) and was the recipient of All Round Best Sports Person Award of the College in 1978."  -- she must have become a judge thru the sports quota.

2. "nominated to the Governing Body of Ram Lal Anand College from 12th November, 1997 to 11th November, 1999." -- so she was an acdemic -- therefore by definition a Leftist. Frigging Commie!!!

3. When she was a law student, in 1978, "she was again invited and participated as a unit leader in an international performing arts event Melody 'n' Makebelieve in the USA and thereafter in 1979 in other capacities" -- performing arts? In the 70's? She must be a frigging ganja-addicted hippie. No wonder she did not learn the law well.

That's all the mud I could throw. Somebody else take over now.
 

funny! then people wonder why india cannot/does not act against terror!

India cannot and does not act against terror because a lot of people have the approach of cutting off the nose because there is a pimple on the nose. India is not tough on terror, because our energies are dissipated on other irrelevant issues like attacking the judge in this case or assuming anyone who defends the judge as supporting SIMI. Tackling terror needs laser sharp focus, always eliminate the evil/wrong doer not your own legal, law and order system, not your own country men who haven othing to do with crime. Do not try to ape Isreal or USA who are almost waging a war on Islam in the name of war on terror.

[LosingNow]

It is no ones business what one practices between closed doors and four walls as long as they go around killing thousands in the name of religion spreading hatred.

You mean as long as they do not go around ....

Here is one more article for you:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article4407115.ece

I am sure a little more than a third of this DG ( hindu dominated by the way) believes in killing for whatever cause. what's the point?

where did this come from.

what killing are you talking about.. retaliation when attacked/self defence(I support), death penalty(I don't support but for extreme cases), murder (it is criminal - would never do it) ?

[flute]

It is no ones business what one practices between closed doors and four walls as long as they go around killing thousands in the name of religion spreading hatred.

You mean as long as they do not go around ....

Here is one more article for you:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article4407115.ece

I am sure a little more than a third of this DG ( hindu dominated by the way) believes in killing for whatever cause. what's the point?

where did this come from.

what killing are you talking about.. retaliation when attacked/self defence(I support), death penalty(I don't support but for extreme cases), murder (it is criminal - would never do it) ?

see my response above. I believe we are all for killing in some scenarios and I am not saying it is wrong.

[LosingNow]

It is no ones business what one practices between closed doors and four walls as long as they go around killing thousands in the name of religion spreading hatred.

You mean as long as they do not go around ....

Here is one more article for you:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article4407115.ece

I am sure a little more than a third of this DG ( hindu dominated by the way) believes in killing for whatever cause. what's the point?

where did this come from.

what killing are you talking about.. retaliation when attacked/self defence(I support), death penalty(I don't support but for extreme cases), murder (it is criminal - would never do it) ?

see my response above. I believe we are all for killing in some scenarios and I am not saying it is wrong.

yea..but the article says "Killing in the name of Islam"..

I do not think a 3rd of the DG (across or by religion) would support "killing in the name of their religion". IMo, the only time they would support killing is "self defense" and that generally has nothing to do with religion.

[flute]

It is no ones business what one practices between closed doors and four walls as long as they go around killing thousands in the name of religion spreading hatred.

You mean as long as they do not go around ....

Here is one more article for you:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article4407115.ece

I am sure a little more than a third of this DG ( hindu dominated by the way) believes in killing for whatever cause. what's the point?

where did this come from.

what killing are you talking about.. retaliation when attacked/self defence(I support), death penalty(I don't support but for extreme cases), murder (it is criminal - would never do it) ?

see my response above. I believe we are all for killing in some scenarios and I am not saying it is wrong.

yea..but the article says "Killing in the name of Islam"..

I do not think a 3rd of the DG (across or by religion) would support "killing in the name of their religion". IMo, the only time they would support killing is "self defense" and that generally has nothing to do with religion.

well don't you think it is too vague? what kind of survey is that? Does it really mean they are willing to go and kill other people just to convert them? are they willing to kill when somebody attacks their places of worship or attacks Islam? are they willing to kill just because someone paints prophets picture?

As I said above, I too am ready to kill for Hindusim in some scenarios. Point being, I just don't like the tone of this survey and seems biased. did they do similar survey regarding christianity?

[LosingNow]

good points re: survey

[ruchir]

do some research on SIMI, it did start as a VHP type organisation. So, if we beat the heck of everyone without establishing if SIMI is indeed terrorist organisation, see below

<<Families of people killed in SIMI beat the heck up mode on.  >>

to hell with this country, nobody believes us, we don't get fair treatment from this system, lets beat the heck out of this system. that corner masjid mulla was right..this is a bloody kafir country.

<<Families of people killed in SIMI beat heck up mode off  >>

and the cycle continues....

I'm not sure if you have done ANY research on SIMI. SIMI has been banned by govt after it has been proved beyond any doubt that it had hand in various terrorist activities in India and had ties with declared terrorist organizations operating from PAK. It does not matter whether it started out as a VHP type organization or not. What matters is what did it morph into!! It morphed from a religious organization to a terrorist supporting organization.

[ruchir]

I was only supporting proper procedure to ban it if it involved in any treason. As simple as that. Again, I am not opposing any ban on SIMI. So far, I commented only on following proper procedure and also not targetting the judge simply because she delivered a judgement we don't like.

Why did you think SIMI was not involved in any treason? Why was THIS the first conclusion you jumped too? How do you know proper procedure was not followed when SIMI was banned for the first time, after enough proof was put in front of the court?

[ruchir]

I am sure a little more than a third of this DG ( hindu dominated by the way) believes in killing for whatever cause. what's the point?

I'm sorry, I didn't get your point here. Why did you write this comment? What are you trying to say?

[flute]

do some research on SIMI, it did start as a VHP type organisation. So, if we beat the heck of everyone without establishing if SIMI is indeed terrorist organisation, see below

<<Families of people killed in SIMI beat the heck up mode on.  >>

to hell with this country, nobody believes us, we don't get fair treatment from this system, lets beat the heck out of this system. that corner masjid mulla was right..this is a bloody kafir country.

<<Families of people killed in SIMI beat heck up mode off  >>

and the cycle continues....

I'm not sure if you have done ANY research on SIMI. SIMI has been banned by govt after it has been proved beyond any doubt that it had hand in various terrorist activities in India and had ties with declared terrorist organizations operating from PAK. It does not matter whether it started out as a VHP type organization or not. What matters is what did it morph into!! It morphed from a religious organization to a terrorist supporting organization.

nowhere did I deny that SIMI is terror org. In fact, the very fact that I said, it started as VHP type org means , it is no longer like that. There is very good circumstantial evidence to that effect in news media. But, that is not the point and we are not discussing ( atleast I am not) if SIMI is terror outfit. If centre failed to properly present its case before the tribunal, our anger should be aimed at center. We can pull down Geeta Mittal if she ignored good evidence and lifted the ban. But, why attack her simply because she lifted the ban? Don't we want her to do her duty without any preconceived notions, isn't it her duty?

[RicePlateReddy]

As I said above, I too am ready to kill for Hindusim in some scenarios.

Then you are not significantly better than the 30-40% polled in these surveys. It is faulty to generalize this to a third of this DG.

Point being, I just don't like the tone of this survey and seems biased. did they do similar survey regarding christianity?

You don't like the results, so you dismiss the basis. You can put in some more effort - track follow-up articles, read more researched critiques and see counter responses, first. Forget the "are you prepared to kill" line of enquiry where you see ambiguity, and look at the Sharia question. Sadly, this is not too far from the truth. And the point is, this was at a university - the seat of learning - of all places!

[flute]

I was only supporting proper procedure to ban it if it involved in any treason. As simple as that. Again, I am not opposing any ban on SIMI. So far, I commented only on following proper procedure and also not targetting the judge simply because she delivered a judgement we don't like.

Why did you think SIMI was not involved in any treason? Why was THIS the first conclusion you jumped too? How do you know proper procedure was not followed when SIMI was banned for the first time, after enough proof was put in front of the court?

Ruchir bhai, read my comments again. Nope I did not draw any conclusions regarding SIMI. Read the title of this thread, my objection was to automatically castigating the judge. I very clearly mentioned the same in my very first post.

[ruchir]

India cannot and does not act against terror because a lot of people have the approach of cutting off the nose because there is a pimple on the nose. India is not tough on terror, because our energies are dissipated on other irrelevant issues like attacking the judge in this case or assuming anyone who defends the judge as supporting SIMI. Tackling terror needs laser sharp focus, always eliminate the evil/wrong doer not your own legal, law and order system, not your own country men who haven othing to do with crime. Do not try to ape Isreal or USA who are almost waging a war on Islam in the name of war on terror.

Yes, that's a good approach!!! Do not doubt your contrymen even if they try to cut your head off, right? I mean, people who put those bombs... who were they? They might have been Indians or foreigners. If they were foreigners, they were definitely helped by Indians. Now, when we try to ban an organized group who is knows to help terrorists, people like you come up and say we must do better research because families of the members of these groups will get offended!!! Way to go, in solving terrorism.

[ruchir]

well don't you think it is too vague? what kind of survey is that? Does it really mean they are willing to go and kill other people just to convert them? are they willing to kill when somebody attacks their places of worship or attacks Islam? are they willing to kill just because someone paints prophets picture?

As I said above, I too am ready to kill for Hindusim in some scenarios. Point being, I just don't like the tone of this survey and seems biased. did they do similar survey regarding christianity?

If a person says that it is okay to kill in the name of religion, it does not mean he may kill someone personally. But it surely means that he is open to be lured by people who think like that. It surely means that he is open to helping people, who may kill in the name of religion. It means that he can be as much a threat to the nation as the real murderer. Why? Because he is conditioned to think like that.

[ramshorns]

As I said above, I too am ready to kill for Hindusim in some scenarios.

Then you are not significantly better than the 30-40% polled in these surveys. It is faulty to generalize this to a third of this DG.

Point being, I just don't like the tone of this survey and seems biased. did they do similar survey regarding christianity?

You don't like the results, so you dismiss the basis. You can put in some more effort - track follow-up articles, read more researched critiques and see counter responses, first. Forget the "are you prepared to kill" line of enquiry where you see ambiguity, and look at the Sharia question. Sadly, this is not too far from the truth. And the point is, this was at a university - the seat of learning - of all places!

SSL:Actually there were various admissions in numerous TV clippings that support the survey.   This to me is very accurate and as you said sadly true.

[ruchir]

do some research on SIMI, it did start as a VHP type organisation. So, if we beat the heck of everyone without establishing if SIMI is indeed terrorist organisation, see below

<<Families of people killed in SIMI beat the heck up mode on.  >>

to hell with this country, nobody believes us, we don't get fair treatment from this system, lets beat the heck out of this system. that corner masjid mulla was right..this is a bloody kafir country.

<<Families of people killed in SIMI beat heck up mode off  >>

and the cycle continues....

I'm not sure if you have done ANY research on SIMI. SIMI has been banned by govt after it has been proved beyond any doubt that it had hand in various terrorist activities in India and had ties with declared terrorist organizations operating from PAK. It does not matter whether it started out as a VHP type organization or not. What matters is what did it morph into!! It morphed from a religious organization to a terrorist supporting organization.

nowhere did I deny that SIMI is terror org. In fact, the very fact that I said, it started as VHP type org means , it is no longer like that. There is very good circumstantial evidence to that effect in news media. But, that is not the point and we are not discussing ( atleast I am not) if SIMI is terror outfit. If centre failed to properly present its case before the tribunal, our anger should be aimed at center. We can pull down Geeta Mittal if she ignored good evidence and lifted the ban. But, why attack her simply because she lifted the ban? Don't we want her to do her duty without any preconceived notions, isn't it her duty?

You said it started as a CHP type Org. You never said it is not like that anymore!!! You were lecturing on why we should research on SIMI and find out what it is!!! What do you know about govt's arguments, that it put in front of the judge? Do you know what was said? Do you know what was argued? Just like that you jump to defend the judge who removes the ban on a terror org!! I am surprised. And why did Supreme court reverse this judgment? Did SC read something else, that Ms Mittal didn't read?

[ruchir]

I was only supporting proper procedure to ban it if it involved in any treason. As simple as that. Again, I am not opposing any ban on SIMI. So far, I commented only on following proper procedure and also not targetting the judge simply because she delivered a judgement we don't like.

Why did you think SIMI was not involved in any treason? Why was THIS the first conclusion you jumped too? How do you know proper procedure was not followed when SIMI was banned for the first time, after enough proof was put in front of the court?

Ruchir bhai, read my comments again. Nope I did not draw any conclusions regarding SIMI. Read the title of this thread, my objection was to automatically castigating the judge. I very clearly mentioned the same in my very first post.

I'm sorry, but why should the judge not be castigated automatically, when she removes a ban on a terror org, when govt after govt, judge after judge have not done that!!! More importantly, why did the Supreme court reverse her judgment, if it was the right one!!! Think about that before defending her....

[flute]

As I said above, I too am ready to kill for Hindusim in some scenarios.

Then you are not significantly better than the 30-40% polled in these surveys. It is faulty to generalize this to a third of this DG.

Point being, I just don't like the tone of this survey and seems biased. did they do similar survey regarding christianity?

You don't like the results, so you dismiss the basis. You can put in some more effort - track follow-up articles, read more researched critiques and see counter responses, first. Forget the "are you prepared to kill" line of enquiry where you see ambiguity, and look at the Sharia question. Sadly, this is not too far from the truth. And the point is, this was at a university - the seat of learning - of all places!

don't assume dude, I came across this item before you posted it here. As for Sharia, why not? think about it, why is it automatically wrong? indian laws have many specific hindu related laws. Brits personal laws are in confirmity with their uniform christian population. Of course Sharia for the most part has many antiquated/barbaric elements in it and we don't know how many of these students support everything in the sharia. There are some good elements in it. Look at the tone of the survey, don't you think they are automatically assuming bad things about Sharia? Why?