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India vs Sri Lanka - 2nd Test
« on: July 29, 2008, 03:20:57 AM »
Curator sounds a warning

Galle: The Indian team, on Monday afternoon, had its first practice session after the mauling at the Sinhalese Sports Club (SSC). While the cricketers were doing their best to stay upbeat in the humid conditions at the Galle International Stadium, the curator made a dark pronouncement.

“Basically it’s a four-day pitch, and we have a spare day for rain,” said Jayananda Warnaweera, who played 10 Tests for Sri Lanka as an off-spinner between 1986 and the early 1994. “If Sri Lanka win the toss, it’s over for India.”

The Indians meanwhile went through a rigorous session of fielding. With the practice wickets damp, Anil Kumble’s men couldn’t have a net, and they looked instead to work on a department that let them down badly in the first Test — catching.

Fielding practice


After the compulsory game of touch rugby, the squad played a fielding variant of it. Separated into two teams, the cricketers rolled a cricket ball along the field, aiming to transport it to a ‘goal’ — picking and throwing as they would in a match situation — without being intercepted by an opposition member.

After a drill which involved shying at the stumps with others backing up the throws, the squad concentrated on catching. The squad was divided into groups based on their positions in the field and given specific work.

Gautam Gambhir, who practised catching at bat-pad, spoke later to presspersons on the need to move on and focus on the remainder of the series.

Down but not out


“It’s just one of those bad Test matches,” said the left-handed opener who got starts in each innings of the first Test.

“You don’t need to keep thinking about what happened. It’s about moving forward, and the guys are really positive. We are 1-0 down but haven’t lost the series.

With the kind of batting and bowling line-up we have we can easily win the Test series.”

Gambhir said the team had analysed the performance in the first Test. “Technically everyone knows what mistakes he makes, it’s about your temperament, your mental toughness which takes you through. We are going to make a better show in the second Test match and try and win it because that is what is most important.”

What did he make of the Sri Lankan spinners?

“Both are quality spinners and they need to be milked more patiently. They were hardly giving you loose deliveries. I think Mendis bowled pretty well, but it’s not that he is unplayable. We will look to be more positive against Mendis and Murali.”

Gambhir also expressed confidence that Dinesh Karthik would bounce back in the second Test, which starts on Thursday. The wicketkeeper worked on the wicket square, crouching behind a batsman who attempted to deflect the ball with a plastic cone.

Karthik also participated in a drill which tested his ability to stay low in his crouch, and lift with the bounce of the ball.

“It’s important to support a player who has had a bad Test match,” said Gambhir of Karthik, who dropped two chances, played a feckless shot in the first innings, and barely registered his presence in the second.

“It’s important to stand next to him and give him that confidence,” added Gambhir.

“It’s not about individuals it’s about the team. It’s not that all 11 will have a good Test match, someone will have a bad one. He’s a good player, and I have confidence in him that he would do well in the second Test match.”

The Indians needn’t look far for inspiration. The stadium here was devastated by the tsunami in December 2004. Warnaweera laboured so it would host an international match again. With help from the government and other patrons, he realised his dream late last year when England played a Test match.

http://www.hindu.com/2008/07/29/stories/2008072960711900.htm
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Re: India vs Sri Lanka - 2nd Test
« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2008, 03:57:08 AM »
“If Sri Lanka win the toss, it’s over for India.”

The corollary works too ...if India win the toss, it is over for SL...

So why is this guy trying the "boo" factor on us  ???
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Re: India vs Sri Lanka - 2nd Test
« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2008, 04:07:18 AM »
The bowlers have got to do a better job. They simply can not afford to let SL score 600 even if they win the toss. Of course holding the catches that come your way will help.
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Re: India vs Sri Lanka - 2nd Test
« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2008, 11:14:04 AM »
Very sporting Lankans - SSC was a "3-day pitch " with 2 spare days for rain. Now, they are giving us a 4-day pitch with only 1 spare day for rain   ;)
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Re: India vs Sri Lanka - 2nd Test
« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2008, 01:02:40 PM »
what a fool that warnaweera is ! didnt even specify which way he meant it ! is it a seamers paradise to win the toss and bowl or is it a dustbowl ? win the toss and bat ?
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Re: India vs Sri Lanka - 2nd Test
« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2008, 03:18:29 PM »
I have a feeling this will come down to bite Warnaweera big time.  He is just running his mouth.  Granted Murali is a tough proposition any day.  Mendis still needs to be soughted out.  I am willing to put my money in this test on VS/GG/RD/SRT/SG/VVS/KKD or PP to come up big as a unit. 

Only worry is HS who to me has slipped considerably as a Test bowler and hence raises the question on how India can take 20 wickets at a lesser total than SL who has Murali and Mendis.  IMO they need to thrown in the surprise element Ojha into the mix(since we have no other spin option in the squad) and see if that can spur things on.  To me that gamble is not worse than going in with HS. 

I have seen and read enough on Ojha to back him.  He has variety and can peg the batsman down.  He has a nice loop and dip in his delivery and is not afraid to toss it up.  He can make subtle variations to the pace.  Plus he has played a lot of FC cricket in the last 2-3 years and sent down long spells.  To me he is well prepared.  He may not be a Mendis at this stage but a bowler worth taking chances with especially with an off color HS.
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Re: India vs Sri Lanka - 2nd Test
« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2008, 03:47:11 PM »
Giving Ojha a chance seems fair, but really doubt if HS or Kumble would sit.
While SG can ball a little why not have ZAK's take a seat and play three spinners ?
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Re: India vs Sri Lanka - 2nd Test
« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2008, 04:10:14 PM »
Frankly both AK and HS failed. We should look at replacing either with Ojha
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Re: India vs Sri Lanka - 2nd Test
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2008, 04:17:43 PM »
Kumble's form is worrying:

4-140 in Perth
1-109 in Adelaide
3-163 in Chennai
1-78 in Ahmedabad
0-121 in SSC

his last 5 tests - 9 wkts @ 68 avg and 133 s/r !!!!

hope it is not beginning of the end

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Re: India vs Sri Lanka - 2nd Test
« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2008, 04:22:35 PM »
Kumble's form is worrying:

4-140 in Perth
1-109 in Adelaide
3-163 in Chennai
1-78 in Ahmedabad
0-121 in SSC

his last 5 tests - 9 wkts @ 68 avg and 133 s/r !!!!

hope it is not beginning of the end

 :( :( :(
I think KIC started alluding to this even during the England tour. He clearly is fading.. and hence his selection as captain (though deserved in the short run) was not a good long-term decision. Well, MSD not playing in SL tests will not make it easy for selectors to look elsewhere.
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Re: India vs Sri Lanka - 2nd Test
« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2008, 04:27:16 PM »
Frankly both AK and HS failed. We should look at replacing either with Ojha
AK being the skipper for the rest of the series the only thing possible as of now is to replace HS if one were to accomodate Ojha.
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Re: India vs Sri Lanka - 2nd Test
« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2008, 05:06:30 PM »
why are we insistent on 2 spinners though ? The kind of job HS did even VS can do. Might as well go for RP - I remember last time in Galle it was the pace of Dilhara that destroyed us.
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Re: India vs Sri Lanka - 2nd Test
« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2008, 06:07:33 PM »
BCCI should look clearly at their test plans and captain for next 2 years, and not have a captain become liability.
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Looking down another year,when SG,SRT or RD are closer to hanging their boots, and the 4 maharathis in no mood to make way for any other kid,
The captaincy issue would always be a difficult call( unless one of the 4 or MSD agrees).
Looking at the current team, I see only three possible candidates in order
1.
MSD: After DK's performance(gloves and bat), it seems MSD is way ahead and may be safe option in PXI ( Great leader,composed)
My vote : YES
VVSL: Has been scoring good and will be in playing Xi over RD and SG in matches to come. AT 34 he seems to go for another 2 years, (Batsmen can go little far than bowlers :) ) while I doubt he is captaincy material but, my vote: wont mind (YES)
VS : incosinstency in batting thus in playing 11, if consistent be tried as captain : If cosistent (Yes)
 
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GG : To young to be tried as CAPPI
RD: Resigned on own , Form on decline
SRT: not seem to enjoy it, may not be long term option
SG : Form on decline, really doubt, at 36 If he will be handed captaincy (  NC reasons)
AK: Looking for his alternatives
HS: Too hot to handle
ZAK: if he can become permanent ( may be)
IS: Tiny tot
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Re: India vs Sri Lanka - 2nd Test
« Reply #13 on: July 29, 2008, 06:18:41 PM »
why are we insistent on 2 spinners though ? The kind of job HS did even VS can do. Might as well go for RP - I remember last time in Galle it was the pace of Dilhara that destroyed us.
Most of the tests India has won, have been courtsey of HS or AK.
SL trying to make wicket for MM and Mendis may do little bit of favor to indians, If somebody can use those wickets.

600 for 6
361/20

does say a lot about bowlers along with bats.

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Re: India vs Sri Lanka - 2nd Test
« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2008, 07:04:14 PM »
too harsh to pass a judgement on KKD based on 1 bad test.....
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Re: India vs Sri Lanka - 2nd Test
« Reply #15 on: July 29, 2008, 07:44:34 PM »
too harsh to pass a judgement on KKD based on 1 bad test.....
He stood behind the wicket for 162 overs. Got two chances with no hurry to score.
It is not about one drop or a rash shot. not many scored in top 7 . but in both the inngs he justified his no 7 spot by being 7th in top7 ( inngs or match). Anyway my opinon also has some IPL performance inputs with bat. I was actually happly  shen MSD decided to sit out as saw KKD and PP both as deserving guys to get chances.May be as you said it sounds too harsh and put him under more pressure. Let us see if  our Patel bhai gets a chance in Test2.
 
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Re: India vs Sri Lanka - 2nd Test
« Reply #16 on: July 29, 2008, 08:01:04 PM »
parthiv sucked so badly in IPL .. he was literally carried by the Super Kings team !
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Re: India vs Sri Lanka - 2nd Test
« Reply #17 on: July 29, 2008, 08:17:58 PM »
As much a hara-kiri KKD created in the 1st Test the loss was a total team effort or lack of it.  He should not be the lone guy that gets the boot.  Afterall this is his 1st Test after a while.  Since they decided to go with him ahead of PP it will be wrong to dump him only after a Test.  The same should have been the case with PP if they chose him in the 1st Test.  I think at a minimum KKD needs to get the next Test and I think he will.
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Re: India vs Sri Lanka - 2nd Test
« Reply #18 on: July 29, 2008, 09:11:38 PM »
yes the defeat is a collective failure and no one should be blamed for it in particular, though must say that hs is one who really needs to be looked into,ability to take wickets!!
also regarding above post of captaincy.personally msd should not be offered he captaincy.person who decides to sit out of a test tour to sl citing fatigue(which is true) but playing inconsequential odi clearly shows his commitment to the test team as a whole.if i were the selector i would not consider him
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Re: India vs Sri Lanka - 2nd Test
« Reply #19 on: July 30, 2008, 04:51:58 AM »
He stood behind the wicket for 162 overs. Got two chances with no hurry to score.
It is not about one drop or a rash shot. not many scored in top 7 . but in both the inngs he justified his no 7 spot by being 7th in top7 ( inngs or match). Anyway my opinon also has some IPL performance inputs with bat.

By your logic, the lowest scoring batsman in every test should be dropped for the next test !! How much is a 9 than 24 and 27 scored by specialist batters like RD and SG ?? He did drop a couple of catches, but his last test match was against Pak at Bangalore, 7 months back. And he was always on tour as reserve WK, so never got a chance to play any 1st class games too which could have kept him match fit - prolly a disadv of having a very good reserve WK. Did you watch all of the IPL ?!? He played a match winning innings in their must-win game against Mumbai and anyways an average of 24 batting at #6 is pretty good IMO in 20-20.

I was actually happly  shen MSD decided to sit out as saw KKD and PP both as deserving guys to get chances.

PP is not a deserving guy as a WK. His WK is ordinary in the few IPL matches that he played as WK.

Let us see if  our Patel bhai gets a chance in Test2.

That makes no logical sense. If PP screws up in the 2nd test, will you again replace him with KKD in the 3rd? And what if MSD screws up in the 1st test against Aus, will you replace him with another upcoming promising WK? This idea is worse than Eng who are still playing merry-go-round with WK since Stewart retired.
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Re: India vs Sri Lanka - 2nd Test
« Reply #20 on: July 30, 2008, 09:03:15 AM »
This is not a collective / team failure. It is the incompetent spin bowlers. Swap the spinners and Keep everything else the same, SL would have performed much worse than Team BCCI.
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Re: India vs Sri Lanka - 2nd Test
« Reply #21 on: July 30, 2008, 01:58:21 PM »
i agree on bringing in RP singh in place of harbhajan ... what is the use of harbhajan ? there is no one to slap around here ...
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Re: India vs Sri Lanka - 2nd Test
« Reply #22 on: July 30, 2008, 02:00:26 PM »
India have announced the same XI for 2nd test
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Re: India vs Sri Lanka - 2nd Test
« Reply #23 on: July 30, 2008, 03:03:52 PM »
However optimstic the indian fans are; but IMO we are not going to perform any better than in first test. Bowling: AK-HS are bowling to their capacity best in recent times which is far below expectations. How will it change overnight as their performance is fairly consistently low in recent times. Many say that we can bounce back as in past (?) which happened only once in last 10 years history; which is more related to current players. Records before that are made with different set of players and hence of no use now.Our fab 4 batters are highly bogged down in recent times. May be due to aging factor, slow reactions, low fittness level, low moral level,low confidence level, lack of practice, defencive mind set etc......under these recent conditions it is very unlikely that they can bounce back (individually or collectively) SRT may wag a tail for a bit longer but he has become whimsical now a days. suddenly he gets into shell for some unknown reasons and then looses thereon. RD-SG are in same boat ( and a sinking one!) chancey, shakey,vulnerable,'perishable',sluggish,basically non reliable. VVS almost following RD-SG duo. VS: well he is a lottery batter, plays with two extremes; but unfortunately not with 50+/50- but 10+/90-. Fielding:with the kind of average age of a team and that too for indian standards........what is going on is just as it will be. No big changes on this front either.
So on what fronts can we win? And yes umpiring uncertainties are also down to a minimum. Else our star batters would have survived half chances due to their big fame amd name.
SO AN ACTION REPLAY OF TEST 1 ON THE CARDS!!
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Re: India vs Sri Lanka - 2nd Test
« Reply #24 on: July 30, 2008, 03:19:00 PM »
I can't believe I am saying this but have to agree with gist of what KKK had to say in the previous post especially about our spinners. At least they could have tried Ojha in this match rather than continuing to persist with Bhajji who is as worse as any other offspinners in the world cricket presently!
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Re: India vs Sri Lanka - 2nd Test
« Reply #25 on: July 30, 2008, 03:47:02 PM »
i still dont get this fascination with spinners when it is the pacers who have done the job recently for our team. in fact i would have liked to see irfan on tour.
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Re: India vs Sri Lanka - 2nd Test
« Reply #26 on: July 30, 2008, 04:26:17 PM »
Pitch apparently is underprepared - uneven bounce and turn expected from very early on. A low scoring game favors India IMO. This type of pitch is probably just what HS/AK need.
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Re: India vs Sri Lanka - 2nd Test
« Reply #27 on: July 30, 2008, 04:57:40 PM »
i still dont get this fascination with spinners when it is the pacers who have done the job recently for our team. in fact i would have liked to see irfan on tour.

Our pacers did well in SA, Eng and Aus... horses for the courses... neither side has pace bowlers who can run thru' a team
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Re: India vs Sri Lanka - 2nd Test
« Reply #28 on: July 31, 2008, 03:02:34 AM »
good time for SRT to score his 40th 100!!

Team needs a morale booster...
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Re: India vs Sri Lanka - 2nd Test
« Reply #29 on: July 31, 2008, 03:11:03 AM »
I want Sehwag to bat for 40-50 overs  ;D. Don't expect too much from others. Also hope the track is a mine field, otherwise there is no way we can take 20 wickets..
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Re: India vs Sri Lanka - 2nd Test
« Reply #30 on: July 31, 2008, 03:12:40 AM »
I would put my money on our batters than SL batters to bat on underprepared pitches. SL only have Sanga/Jayawardane. We have RD/SRT/VVS/SG.
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Re: India vs Sri Lanka - 2nd Test
« Reply #31 on: July 31, 2008, 04:18:36 AM »
India win toss. BATTING.
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Re: India vs Sri Lanka - 2nd Test
« Reply #32 on: July 31, 2008, 04:20:00 AM »
Now we have no excuses up our sleeves.
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Re: India vs Sri Lanka - 2nd Test
« Reply #33 on: July 31, 2008, 04:24:10 AM »
AAAA LANKA AAAA !!!!

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Re: India vs Sri Lanka - 2nd Test
« Reply #34 on: July 31, 2008, 04:27:18 AM »
We need to win this one.. for an exciting finish in the 3rd test. Test cricket needs this
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Re: India vs Sri Lanka - 2nd Test
« Reply #35 on: July 31, 2008, 04:29:10 AM »
From CI...

Pitch "Weird pitch," says Waqar Younis on Ten Sports channel. "One side has lots of cracks that have already opened up a touch and which should take spin from second day on wards. The other side has flat, no cracks but is damp and might aid swing because of the sea breeze." Whoa! If only the other half had grass it would have been like the Federer Nadal exhibition game on the half clay half grass court. Immense fun awaits us
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Re: India vs Sri Lanka - 2nd Test
« Reply #36 on: July 31, 2008, 04:30:01 AM »
will they open the bowling with Mendis and Murali ;D
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Re: India vs Sri Lanka - 2nd Test
« Reply #37 on: July 31, 2008, 04:51:34 AM »
Quote
opened up a touch
That is a Waqar special. ;D
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Re: India vs Sri Lanka - 2nd Test
« Reply #38 on: July 31, 2008, 05:03:08 AM »
interesting ground this one.. cars parked at boundary line (with sun reflecting from the windshields)..fort on one side..

uneven bounce already. looks like an underprepared wicket
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Re: India vs Sri Lanka - 2nd Test
« Reply #39 on: July 31, 2008, 05:21:01 AM »
What an engrossing 1/2 hour of test cricket - waah waah.....

Mendis will be pretty much unplayable in this end where it is bare and already has cracks !!!
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