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Why did Jindal convert to Catholicism?

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Bobby Jindal's Spiritual Journey
« on: July 27, 2008, 10:37:50 PM »
From today's WSJ..

Rebel With a Cause:Bobby Jindal's Spiritual Journey
By ROBERT COSTA
July 25, 2008; Page W11

In 1988, 16-year-old Piyush Jindal totaled his father's new car a few weeks before graduating from Baton Rouge High School. Piyush -- who then and now prefers the nickname "Bobby" he adopted from "The Brady Brunch" sitcom -- had to assess more than fender damage with his parents.

"Which God do you have to thank for your safety?" Mr. Jindal, now governor of Louisiana, remembers his mother, Raj, a practicing Hindu, inquiring after he escaped from the wreck. For the child of Punjabi immigrants who had announced his Christian beliefs the previous summer, the question was difficult.

Twenty years later, Mr. Jindal, a convert to Roman Catholicism, is being mentioned as one of John McCain's top choices for the Republican vice-presidential nomination. And his strong religious faith is often cited as a potential bonus for the ticket.

Hinduism is a diverse religion, with varying interpretations. Mr. Jindal, speaking from his office in Baton Rouge this month, said his parents raised him "in a monotheistic home with a firm belief in a God with traditional values -- the same sort of values you find in the Ten Commandments and other mainstream religions." Recalling their religion as "not a faith that was necessarily tied to a particular historical scripture or revelation," Mr. Jindal said, his parents "made their faith their own."

It is rare for Hindus to convert to Christianity or any other religion. According to a survey released by the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life earlier this year, eight in 10 American Hindus who were raised in the faith remain so as adults.

"I did not have an overnight epiphany like so many people do," said Mr. Jindal, calling his conversion a "very intellectual-based journey," where he studied countless religious texts. "Given my background and personality, that was an important part of the process." But, he notes, "I don't think you can 'read' yourself into faith. I had gotten to the point where I knew what history had to say about this person named Jesus and what he had done on Earth. . . . I think at some point you have to take a leap of faith."

As a teenager, Mr. Jindal said he sought out chaplains at nearby Louisiana State University as he grasped for a religious identity to call his own. During a youth group's Easter season musical production in 1987 at LSU's campus chapel, a black-and-white video of the Passion played during intermission. "I don't know why I was struck so hard at that moment," said Mr. Jindal. "There was nothing fascinating about this particular video. . . . But watching this depiction of an actor playing Jesus on the cross, it just hit me, harder than I'd ever been hit before," he said. "If that was really the son of God, and he really died for me, then I felt compelled to get on my knees and worship him."

"It was liberating," said Mr. Jindal about his moment. "Up until that point, my prayer life was like a child talking to Santa Claus -- making deals with God saying 'I'll be good, but this is what I want in return.'" Soon after, Mr. Jindal began to pray and fervently read the Bible, principally parables in the New Testament. "It was like the words were jumping out of the page. It was literally as if it had been written just for me," he said.


Revealing his Christianity to his parents was difficult. "I was scared to approach them," said Mr. Jindal. "I didn't know how they'd accept it. I wanted to make sure they didn't view it as a rejection of them, that I still loved them and still shared many of the values they instilled in us."

Reflecting on that moment, Mr. Jindal, now a father of three with his wife Supriya -- also a convert to Catholicism -- said he puts himself in his parents' shoes, understanding why they questioned whether his new religion was "just a fad."

Mr. Jindal's roommate at Brown University became his baptism sponsor. His parents did not attend the ceremony, which he says was "certainly disappointing." But he persisted. Mr. Jindal participated in nearly every campus Bible study group. One morning, while Mr. Jindal prayed in Brown's chapel, a priest who had observed the young man tapped him on the shoulder and asked him to teach a Catholic education program for youths, at a local parish. Not yet confirmed, Mr. Jindal said "I don't think I can do that. I'm not Catholic."

"Oh, look," joked the priest, "since Vatican II, anything's allowed." So Mr. Jindal accepted.

The American Hindu community has had both tepid and enthusiastic reactions to Mr. Jindal's political career. Suhag Shukla, managing director for the Hindu American Foundation, which represents the interests of the approximately two million Hindus in the U.S., calls him "a mix of hope and disappointment." She says that "there is hope in what he represents, that an immigrant can hold the highest seat in state government, who doesn't look like the 'average American.' What's disappointing, though, is at what expense? Does it take turning your back on your tradition? To your community?"

Ms. Shukla, and other Hindus, were disappointed that Mr. Jindal abstained from voting on H.R. 747, the "Diwali resolultion" passed in late 2007 while Mr. Jindal was still in Congress that recognized the festival celebrated by Hindus, Jains and Sikhs. But Mr. Jindal brushed away any criticisms that he did not pay "enough" attention to ethnic or religious interest groups. "I've always thought that each of us as an individual should make our own decisions," said Mr. Jindal. "I think it is unfortunate that so often in modern society we tend to try to group people by stereotypes and hyphenated identifications." That's a lesson he may soon be taking to a wider audience.

Mr. Costa is a Robert L. Bartley fellow at the Journal this summer
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Re: Bobby Jindal's Spiritual Journey
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2008, 12:54:36 AM »
It looks most of the DG believes it is political expediency, but to have such clear political ambitions and foresight at 16 is very very remarkable. Anyways, Jindal's religion is his own matter and no one else's. If US Indians are looking for their messiah, Jindal is not obligated to please them.
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Re: Bobby Jindal's Spiritual Journey
« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2008, 05:23:36 AM »
It looks most of the DG believes it is political expediency, but to have such clear political ambitions and foresight at 16 is very very remarkable. Anyways, Jindal's religion is his own matter and no one else's. If US Indians are looking for their messiah, Jindal is not obligated to please them.

Mr Shukla the question that begs to be asked is :- If his religion so much his personal matter then why is he discussing it publicly and especially stating reasons for his conversion, reasons clearly imply that he made a choice based on something being better than what he had....this to me only means the following

1. He is appealing to his constituency on the basis of his Christianity and
2. He is in one way or other belittling Hinduism by espousing the virtues of Christianity over it..

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Re: Bobby Jindal's Spiritual Journey
« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2008, 06:15:33 AM »
It looks most of the DG believes it is political expediency, but to have such clear political ambitions and foresight at 16 is very very remarkable. Anyways, Jindal's religion is his own matter and no one else's. If US Indians are looking for their messiah, Jindal is not obligated to please them.

Mr Shukla the question that begs to be asked is :- If his religion so much his personal matter then why is he discussing it publicly and especially stating reasons for his conversion, reasons clearly imply that he made a choice based on something being better than what he had....this to me only means the following

1. He is appealing to his constituency on the basis of his Christianity and
2. He is in one way or other belittling Hinduism by espousing the virtues of Christianity over it..


No sir, this is what you are imputing from the article. Please quote me where Jindal has said or implied 1. and 2. Even if he converted believing Christianity is "better" than Hinduism, that was his decision, the result of his thinking and maybe true for him. Does it make Christianity better than Hinduism for all? No. Are u implying that Hinduism should be "better" than Christianity for ALL?

How can you call something politically expedient when it is done at 16 before he was a politician. The gist of my argument is that Jindal has to do squat to satisfy the political aspirations of the Indian American community.



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Re: Bobby Jindal's Spiritual Journey
« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2008, 08:07:23 AM »

No sir, this is what you are imputing from the article. Please quote me where Jindal has said or implied 1. and 2. Even if he converted believing Christianity is "better" than Hinduism, that was his decision, the result of his thinking and maybe true for him. Does it make Christianity better than Hinduism for all? No. Are u implying that Hinduism should be "better" than Christianity for ALL?

How can you call something politically expedient when it is done at 16 before he was a politician. The gist of my argument is that Jindal has to do squat to satisfy the political aspirations of the Indian American community.

Jindal doesn't have to do squat to satisfy the aspirations of Indian Americans. I agree with that, he is an individual first who does not owe allegiance to a group- even his own. But, if that is really what he believes in, he shouldn't go to them to raise money either. There were a lot of Indian American checks that went to his campaign, not because they necessarily agreed with what he stood for, but just because there was general pride in what someone from the same community had accomplished. By accepting that dough, he is buying in to the idea that there is such a thing as an Indian American aspiration- in which case he does have to do a bit more than "squat". Also, a 16 year old is perfectly capable of making a calculation of what it takes to fit into the mainstream. Finally, he is talking about his experiences in his capacity as a politician today. What makes you think he couldn't come up with a nice little story that would warm the hearts of the people covering him. Bobby from the Brady Bunch, Christianity, Republican Party, Pro Gun. He is more bubba than the real bubba.   
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Re: Bobby Jindal's Spiritual Journey
« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2008, 04:03:07 PM »
Very Valid points, vijay
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Re: Bobby Jindal's Spiritual Journey
« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2008, 10:05:23 PM »
Wow.. DG results are as unanimous as they get so far
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Re: Bobby Jindal's Spiritual Journey
« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2008, 10:24:38 PM »
Voted "can't say". Would like to add "don't care either way, he is not a guy I care for"  ;D ;D
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Re: Bobby Jindal's Spiritual Journey
« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2008, 01:06:47 AM »

No sir, this is what you are imputing from the article. Please quote me where Jindal has said or implied 1. and 2. Even if he converted believing Christianity is "better" than Hinduism, that was his decision, the result of his thinking and maybe true for him. Does it make Christianity better than Hinduism for all? No. Are u implying that Hinduism should be "better" than Christianity for ALL?

How can you call something politically expedient when it is done at 16 before he was a politician. The gist of my argument is that Jindal has to do squat to satisfy the political aspirations of the Indian American community.

Jindal doesn't have to do squat to satisfy the aspirations of Indian Americans. I agree with that, he is an individual first who does not owe allegiance to a group- even his own. But, if that is really what he believes in, he shouldn't go to them to raise money either. There were a lot of Indian American checks that went to his campaign, not because they necessarily agreed with what he stood for, but just because there was general pride in what someone from the same community had accomplished. By accepting that dough, he is buying in to the idea that there is such a thing as an Indian American aspiration- in which case he does have to do a bit more than "squat". Also, a 16 year old is perfectly capable of making a calculation of what it takes to fit into the mainstream. Finally, he is talking about his experiences in his capacity as a politician today. What makes you think he couldn't come up with a nice little story that would warm the hearts of the people covering him. Bobby from the Brady Bunch, Christianity, Republican Party, Pro Gun. He is more bubba than the real bubba.   
Vijay, if I read your post correctly you are against him accepting the donations from Indian organizations. Now, I am not really familiar with his ways of raising funds, but did he promise anything specifically to these Indian organizations? If yes, then I agree with you but if not, then I think by simply 'accepting' the donations, he has done nothing wrong. I complete disagree with your statement that "By accepting that dough, he is buying in to the idea that there is such a thing as an Indian American aspiration". Did these organizations not know that he is more bubba than the real bubba at the time of donations? I do not think there was any obligation on his part to say "Look, I am pro-gun and a christian, so I will not accept your donations." There must be several pro-gun, Christian Indian Americans.
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Re: Bobby Jindal's Spiritual Journey
« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2008, 05:42:00 AM »

No sir, this is what you are imputing from the article. Please quote me where Jindal has said or implied 1. and 2. Even if he converted believing Christianity is "better" than Hinduism, that was his decision, the result of his thinking and maybe true for him. Does it make Christianity better than Hinduism for all? No. Are u implying that Hinduism should be "better" than Christianity for ALL?

How can you call something politically expedient when it is done at 16 before he was a politician. The gist of my argument is that Jindal has to do squat to satisfy the political aspirations of the Indian American community.

Jindal doesn't have to do squat to satisfy the aspirations of Indian Americans. I agree with that, he is an individual first who does not owe allegiance to a group- even his own. But, if that is really what he believes in, he shouldn't go to them to raise money either. There were a lot of Indian American checks that went to his campaign, not because they necessarily agreed with what he stood for, but just because there was general pride in what someone from the same community had accomplished. By accepting that dough, he is buying in to the idea that there is such a thing as an Indian American aspiration- in which case he does have to do a bit more than "squat". Also, a 16 year old is perfectly capable of making a calculation of what it takes to fit into the mainstream. Finally, he is talking about his experiences in his capacity as a politician today. What makes you think he couldn't come up with a nice little story that would warm the hearts of the people covering him. Bobby from the Brady Bunch, Christianity, Republican Party, Pro Gun. He is more bubba than the real bubba.   
Vijay, if I read your post correctly you are against him accepting the donations from Indian organizations. Now, I am not really familiar with his ways of raising funds, but did he promise anything specifically to these Indian organizations? If yes, then I agree with you but if not, then I think by simply 'accepting' the donations, he has done nothing wrong. I complete disagree with your statement that "By accepting that dough, he is buying in to the idea that there is such a thing as an Indian American aspiration". Did these organizations not know that he is more bubba than the real bubba at the time of donations? I do not think there was any obligation on his part to say "Look, I am pro-gun and a christian, so I will not accept your donations." There must be several pro-gun, Christian Indian Americans.

I am not against him accepting money from anybody. He would probably want his fund raising to be somewhat consistent with his values.  If he goes before Indian American groups (which he has) to raise money, what do  you think he is doing? He is trying to play on the common heritage connection to tug at their wallets. And, when he goes before that group trust me- he doesn't argue that he is a gun toting bubba and his Indian connection means nothing. Also, he isn't giving that group a lecture on how he evolved from the faith of his daddy to Christianity.  After all- you and I do agree on one thing - the man is not stupid.
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Re: Bobby Jindal's Spiritual Journey
« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2008, 09:25:34 AM »
at 16 things happen

some get    l a i d

others lay down

but you never know how your door will open

maybe the door opened for him then

and if we read it at face value then the important message to take away from there is this:
he talks about it simply because he wants to share that a leap of faith can happen to anyone anywhere and at any point of time, this is something all those who have a leap of faith do ,they want to share their experiencethey want to say - keep an open mind for you never know when the light will come

some become aggressive born-agains some say it quietly, and bobby jindal is not comparing one religion to another he is talking about how it happened for him

look at the amazing leapof faith for cassius clay, would anybody call him a bigot or a born-again, he is intellgent, articluate and knows what is what, yet he went from christianity to islam, a door opened for him
look at rahman, he went from being A.S. Dileep Kumar to ARR, haji ali opened the door for him, he took the islamic way can you question that leap of faith just because he does talk about it in interviews like Muhammad Ali and even sings "Pia Haji Ali" (which is one of the most awesome moments of
sufi)


 
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Re: Bobby Jindal's Spiritual Journey
« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2008, 07:11:06 PM »
It is telling that if he did not convert (or even if his wife did not convert), he wouldn't even be in the reckoning today. I doubt whether he would have even won in Louisiana! Religious affiliation trumps color of skin any day.

For what it is worth, it is most unlikely that he converted for political reasons. His entry into politics was itself quite fortuitous, thanks to McKinsey's slide deck presented at a right-place, right-time meeting with a Louisiana official when he was wrapping up his thesis material at Oxford.

If he truly converted at 16 because he wanted to get into politics and subvert the religious bias, I take my hat off to him for motivation and insight at a tender age!
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Re: Bobby Jindal's Spiritual Journey
« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2008, 07:12:41 PM »
You may want to submit this "motivation for conversion" question here..

http://time-blog.com/10questions/gov-bobby-jindal/
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