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Will the UPA survive the trust vote?

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Will the UPA survive the trust vote?
« on: July 19, 2008, 12:40:02 AM »
The airwaves are full of stories of horse-trading. The going rate appears to be Rs 25 crore per MP. Criminal and convicted MPs are raking it in.
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Why are individuals who have been convicted not disqualified from being an MP and automatically thrown out of the parliament? It is really sick to watch these convicts/murderers being courted by UPA while they are in jail.
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Re: Will the UPA survive the trust vote?
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2008, 12:56:59 AM »
Overconfident India

Jul 9th 2008
From Economist.com

Indians are complacent about the perils of multi-lateral diplomacy, and much else

IT CAME like monsoon rain, after a head-aching spell of summer heat. On July 7th, ending months of mixed messages and tiresome speculation, Manmohan Singh, the prime minister, said that India would press ahead “very soon” with a controversial policy: a civil-nuclear co-operation agreement with America.

This would give India access to nuclear fuel and technology, despite its refusal to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. In a country with massive energy needs, and pretensions to global-power status, that would be momentous. Only, the deal is not yet done: it needs approving by the UN's International Atomic Energy Agency, the 45-nation Nuclear Suppliers Group (NSG) and America's Congress. Winning their blessings before President George Bush's term expires next January will be tight.

Not that you would necessarily know this from Indian media coverage of the saga. Most Indian commentators—including those within the ruling Congress party—appear to have concluded that, now that Mr Singh has plumped for it, despite opposition from his government's parliamentary allies, the deal is a dead-cert.

They may turn out to be right. Mr Bush will certainly push hard for it. But with several other NSG members having expressed concerns, and the attitude of China, India's great rival, still unknown, the deal's safe passage cannot be assumed. Then again, it is unsurprising that so many Indians do assume it. A pronounced feature of their country's rapid emergence is the awesome self-confidence—and sometimes hubris—it inspires in Indian breasts.

No visitor to the country can fail to be impressed by this. Its English language newspapers—admittedly, read mainly by a prospering minority—would never let them. They have long tended towards triumphalism—notwithstanding more sober recent headlines, inspired by high inflation and a plunging stockmarket. Thus, the latest foreign acquisition by “India Inc.”, as the country's private sector is known, is a sure-fire splash. On editorial pages, Indian economists have long predicted China-style, double-digit economic growth for their country.

Opinion polls—which tend to represent the views of relatively-rich city-dwelling Indians—also make rousing news. A survey of global attitudes, released last month by the Pew Research Centre, found that a higher proportion of Indians felt positive about their national economy than all except Chinese and Australians (though the proportion of sunny Indians, at 62%, was 12% down on the previous year).

Indeed, they have had lots to be cheered by. Over the past three years, India's economy has grown at a magnificent average of 9% a year. And the private sector—whose foreign investments last year exceeded those made in India by foreign firms—has led the charge.

As has been widely reported, the fruits of India's economic rise are rich and varied. The country's massive armed forces are modernising. The diplomatic corps is swelling. India's revered cricketers, who were never so rich and pampered, are doing consistently better than they have ever done before.

But, impressive as these successes are, they do not augur the imminent global dominance that many Indians seem to expect. Foreign visitors to India are also invariably impressed by its dreadful problems: the ever-present poor; perilous and congested roads; disorderly and congested airports; the moronic regulations still imposed by the state.

So, what makes Indians so buoyant? Perhaps, relief: that the dark decades of soaring population growth, inching economic growth and intractable poverty, are finally over. No doubt, too, some prominent Indians are a little naive about the realities of multi-lateral diplomacy and ill-informed about the paths to development that others have trod. With little opportunity to travel, and a whole world within their borders, Indians have tended, until relatively recently, to be rather inward-looking—unlike the country's vast and thriving diaspora.

Perhaps, too, there may be something about living always in a crowd that encourages loud and overconfident opinion-giving. Or maybe, in their national subconscious, Indians have calculated that audacity, however unfitting at the time, simply works for them. It is certainly a feature of their brilliant entrepreneurism: another national characteristic—exhibited in teeming slums as well as in corporate boardrooms.

As for the nuclear deal, Indians' blithe faith in its chances may stem from something else altogether. The Pew Research Centre found that Mr Bush's approval rating in India was “still astonishingly high” at 55%. In fact, Indians were the only people sampled who rated Mr Bush more highly than they did Vladimir Putin, Angela Merkel and Nicolas Sarkozy. So, perhaps they know something the rest of us don't?
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Re: Will the UPA survive the trust vote?
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2008, 05:27:30 AM »
The airwaves are full of stories of horse-trading. The going rate appears to be Rs 25 crore per MP. Criminal and convicted MPs are raking it in.
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Why are individuals who have been convicted not disqualified from being an MP and automatically thrown out of the parliament? It is really sick to watch these convicts/murderers being courted by UPA while they are in jail.

Sometime back when they wanted to pass a resolution to this effect, the MPs joined hands and ensured the bill was voted out / not allowed to be tabled...
So much for elected represnetatives taking law into their own hands
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Re: Will the UPA survive the trust vote?
« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2008, 05:59:28 AM »
wow.. votes tied 4-4 in this DG
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Re: Will the UPA survive the trust vote?
« Reply #4 on: July 21, 2008, 04:06:25 AM »
Would you trust the Congress ?

Trust vote over the years
Although there have been 17 trust motions in the Lok Sabha so far, it became frequent in the coalition era, which began in 1977. Interestingly, no Congress PM has so far lost any trust/no trust motion.

MORARJI DESAI (March 1977-July 1979): The first non-Congress experiment fell after deputy PM and home minister Charan Singh pulled the plug. Also involved was the issue of dual membership of Jan Sangh members who were also part of the RSS. (Was this not a Congress conspiracy by dangling the carrot in front of Charan Singh ?)

CHARAN SINGH (July 1979-Jan 1980): Within 24 days, fell victim to the Congress decision to withdraw support on the issue of “mismanagement of economy”. Only PM not to have faced Parliament. Continued (as caretaker PM) till elections in Jan 1980. (Mismanagment of economy...within 24 days  :icon_scratch: )

V P SINGH (Dec 1989-Nov 1990): National Front PM supported by the BJP and the Left. Was defeated in the confidence vote 142-346 after Chandra Shekhar rebelled, supported by the Congress. The BJP pulled out on the issue of arrest of L K Advani during the Rath Yatra.

CHANDRA SHEKHAR (Nov 1990-June 1991): Fell as the Congress withdrew support charging that his government was spying on its leaders,including Rajiv *hi.

A B VAJPAYEE (May 16-June 1, 1996): The first-ever BJP government after the party emerged the single largest. The 13-day government lost out as it could not prove its majority. Vajpayee resigned before facing
confidence vote.

H D DEVE GOWDA (June 1996-April 1997): The United Front government chose him after the CPM refused to let its veteran Jyoti Basu become PM, was supported by both the Congress and the Left. Had to go as the Congress demanded a change of PM, charged Gowda with attempting to split party. Resigned after delivering a speech but before the motion was put to vote.

I K GUJRAL (April -Nov 1997): Replaced Gowda but had to go as the Congress pulled out demanding that the DMK should go out of government as a leaked Jain Commission report pointed to DMK involvement in the Rajiv killing. Gujral refused and resigned. (Now the same DMK is a staunch UPA ally  :P )

A B VAJPAYEE (March 1998-April 1999): The 13-month government came up after the TDP and the AIADMK supported it. Lost power as J Jayalalitha withdrew support, ostensibly for neglect of Tamil Nadu interests. The government fell in the most dramatic fashion in Indian parliamentary history, by one vote.
(The only time Congress was not involved as they were anyway an irrelevant opposition )

Read http://deccanherald.com/Content/Jul212008/national2008072180044.asp   for the full article
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Re: Will the UPA survive the trust vote?
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2008, 06:31:09 AM »
Why are individuals who have been convicted not disqualified from being an MP and automatically thrown out of the parliament? It is really sick to watch these convicts/murderers being courted by UPA while they are in jail.

Why blame the UPA? The party with the maximum number of MPs with criminal charges is the BJP (29 versus 24 for the Congress). The party with the maximum number of MPs with a criminal record is also the BJP (61 versus 55 for the Congress). Believe it or not - the CPI is the cleanest  ;D


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Re: Will the UPA survive the trust vote?
« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2008, 06:41:35 AM »
Why are individuals who have been convicted not disqualified from being an MP and automatically thrown out of the parliament? It is really sick to watch these convicts/murderers being courted by UPA while they are in jail.

Why blame the UPA? The party with the maximum number of MPs with criminal charges is the BJP (29 versus 24 for the Congress). The party with the maximum number of MPs with a criminal record is also the BJP (61 versus 55 for the Congress). Believe it or not - the CPI is the cleanest  ;D




maximum MPs with known criminal charges ... unknown would be plenty in all the parties...
net-net we the People are the sufferers
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Re: Will the UPA survive the trust vote?
« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2008, 01:48:39 PM »
 
Cash-for-vote: BJP MPs allege bribe by SP

BJP MPs show the packets of money they have been allegedly bribed to switch sides.
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NEW DELHI: Three BJP MPs produced wads of cash in the Lok Sabha, offered to them allegedly by Samajwadi Party to abstain from voting during the confidence motion. ( Watch )

The MPs alleged that the money, Rs 1 crore, was given to them as bribe by SP general secretary Amar Singh to bail out the UPA government.

The incident led to pandemonium in the House leading to members rushing to the well of the House and disrupted proceedings.

The live coverage of the Lok Sabha was momentarily stopped. 
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Re: Will the UPA survive the trust vote?
« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2008, 02:08:56 PM »
The United Progressive Alliance has WON the historic confidence motion in Parliament.

 

The tally reads: 275-256. Abstentions: 10.


 

Details soon.

http://www.rediff.com/news/2008/jul/22upavote35.htm
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Re: Will the UPA survive the trust vote?
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2008, 02:09:04 PM »
not sure what is new about this ?
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Re: Will the UPA survive the trust vote?
« Reply #10 on: July 22, 2008, 02:10:11 PM »
not sure what is new about this ?
I think new would be to find a politician who is not swayed by money  ;D
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Re: Will the UPA survive the trust vote?
« Reply #11 on: July 22, 2008, 02:12:16 PM »
I have a strong suspicion that Nagma bhabi has a role to play in all these .... ;D
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Re: Will the UPA survive the trust vote?
« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2008, 02:13:49 PM »
I have a strong suspicion that Nagma bhabi has a role to play in all these .... ;D
She was in resorts of Rajastahan, I dobut will waste her precious time for Delhi dirts(read politicians).
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Re: Will the UPA survive the trust vote?
« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2008, 10:00:35 PM »
This is a huge win for MM Singh.. Amar Singh proves himself to be the dealmaker-in-chief. What a dramatic day.. cash in the well of the house, rampant horse-trading, a few decent speeches, a headmaster managing the errant schoolboys..
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Re: Will the UPA survive the trust vote?
« Reply #14 on: July 23, 2008, 02:49:32 PM »
Mohan Rules

Ayes: 275  Nays: 256  BJP votes for government: 7


SANKARSHAN THAKUR 
 

New Delhi, July 22: At the end of a day as darkly theatrical and stirring as yesterday was dull, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh emerged unruffled master of the game, winner of the riskiest wager of his life by 275 to 256.

A “magnificent victory” he termed it, flaying both the BJP and the Left with uncharacteristic assurance as he sped off from Parliament in a blaze of arc lights and cheering that drowned daylong acrimony.

The Left benches fell sullen upon the announcement of the verdict, the NDA quickly dissolved into the lobbies, the treasury became an eddy of congratulation around Manmohan and Sonia *hi.

Ten MPs had abstained from the vote and over 10 cross-voted — mostly from the BJP — to give the UPA a cushion of numbers few had credibly predicted.

The Prime Minister had stood to close the two-day trust motion, already confident of victory and unfazed by the raucous echoes of an unseemly mid-afternoon spectacle in which three BJP MPs emptied two bagfuls of currency — rubber-banded wads of thousand rupee notes — on the records table, claiming it an advance from the Samajwadi Party to abstain from the vote.

 
The dramatic, and unprecedented, manoeuvre from the BJP benches left the House stunned and forced several uproarious adjournments. Despite repeated assurances from Speaker Somnath Chatterjee that he would look into what he called a “most unfortunate and sad” matter, the BJP protest wouldn’t relent.

As leader of Opposition L.K. Advani sat watching the unruly turn of his benches, party leaders and backbenchers alike entered the well of the House shouting “Pradhanmantri beimaan hai, Pradhanmantri istifa do” when Manmohan rose to speak. But unable, in the face of the BJP’s grating and uncontained protest, he calmly handed his speech to record officers.

And when it came to a division, BJP lead benches were in gripe again, demanding the Prime Minister’s departure from the Lok Sabha on the ground that he isn’t a member. “The Prime Minister can’t be here, several ministers can’t be here, they should be asked to go,” the BJP’s V.K. Malhotra was heard complaining to the Speaker, who immediately overruled him. All the while, Manmohan sat motionless and wryly smiling behind his front desk.

Having staked his government on the Indo-US nuclear deal, he hadn’t shrunk from a fight on the floor of the Lok Sabha; he wasn’t about to be deprived of savouring the moment of victory. The last fortnight may, in fact, have seen a radical transformation in Manmohan — from an “apolitical technocrat” unprepared to sully his hands in the necessities of realpolitick to a hard-boiled combatant who was prepared to employ every trick in the book to wrestle, and overcome, opponents.

Following the withdrawal of the Left, the Congress had gone into overdrive trying to muster a majority, even as the government fast-tracked the nuclear deal in order to meet international deadlines. Keen that the deal not be seen as the initiative of a minority government, the Prime Minister himself played a role in bringing the Samajwadi Party on board. But if wooing the Samajwadis had been a smart and timely political realignment to neutralise the loss of the Left, there was also inducement at play.

The race for numbers had been a see-saw battle in which the government and the Congress — aided by the backroom abilities of players like Amar Singh — matched their adversaries move for move. Multi-pronged strategies — overt and covert — were employed.

 
Amar Singh not only had the task of minding an uncertain Samajwadi Party flock being aggressively poached by Mayavati, he had also taken upon himself to go out and hunt. If he lost the high-profile Shahid Siddiqui to Mayavati, he bagged Brij Bhushan Sharan Singh of the BJP.

Manmohan’s party and government did their own bit. Shibu Soren, for instance, was offered a cabinet berth and more in return for his five MPs. The renaming of the Lucknow airport after Chaudhary Charan Singh was seen as a lure to Ajit Singh and his three MPs. The deal with Soren worked, the jury is still out on how Ajit Singh voted.

The government’s opponents, of course, allege, that its “dirty tricks department” went even beyond; some of that, it claimed, floated up onto the floor of the Lok Sabha in the form of cash.

Earlier in the day, Brajesh Pathak of the BSP had alleged that the CBI had sent an officer to his flat with a message that Mayavati will “face the consequence” if her party MPs did not vote with the government in the trust move. “The government is nakedly using money and intimidation,” Prabhunath Singh of the JDU angrily alleged after the BJP MPs — Ashok Argal, Mahavir Bhagora and Faggan Kulaste — had unloaded the cash on the floor.

Speaker Chatterjee, however, declined to accept repeated demands from both the NDA and the Left to institute a House committee probe into the allegations, saying only that he had taken “serious note” of the matter and that “nobody found guilty would be spared”.




 
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1080723/jsp/frontpage/story_9588767.jsp
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« Reply #15 on: July 23, 2008, 02:53:58 PM »
‘Slave’ breaks free 

MANINI CHATTERJEE

New Delhi, July 22: The muted war cry — so be it — uttered a year ago was fleshed out into a long and stirring victory speech on the floor of the Lok Sabha today as Prime Minister Manmohan Singh lashed out at both the Left and Right and sought to establish himself as a strong and visionary leader in his own right.

In the face of constant interruptions, the Prime Minister gave up trying to read the speech in full. But even in cold print, Manmohan Singh shone out in his new avatar – angry, combative, resolute, confident and unshaken in his conviction that the nuclear deal was “a giant step forward to lead India to become a major power centre” of the world.

He took on L.K. Advani at the outset but Prakash Karat — who went unnamed — was the target of a much more lethal attack. “Our friends in the Left Front should ponder over the company they are forced to keep because of miscalculations by their General Secretary,” the Prime Minister said, a politically loaded comment aimed at widening the wedge within the CPM on the issue of voting along with the BJP.

He also made it a point — as he had when he moved the confidence motion yesterday — to “recall with gratitude the guidance and support I have received from Shri Jyoti Basu and Sardar Harkishen Singh Surjeet.” That he was seeking to contrast their pragmatism with Karat’s ideological intransigence was not lost on anyone.

Attacking both the BJP and the Left for seeking to destabilise his government, he said: “When I look at the composition of the opportunistic group opposed to us, it is clear to me that the clash today is between two alternative visions of India’s future.”

While the UPA “and our allies” saw India as a self-confident and united nation, “the opposite vision is of a motley crowd opposed to us who have come together to share the spoils of office to promote their sectional, sectarian and parochial interests.”

And rubbing in the Left’s discomfiture of voting along with the BJP, he added: “Our Left colleagues should tell us whether L.K. Advani is acceptable to them as a Prime Minister candidate. Shri L.K. Advani should enlighten us if he will step aside as prime ministerial candidate of the Opposition in favour of the choice of UNPA.”

Turning the Left’s charge that he had “betrayed” them on the nuclear deal on its head, the Prime Minister declared that “they wanted me to behave as their bonded slave”.

All he had asked the Left, he said, was “please allow us to go through the negotiating process and I will come to Parliament before operationalising the nuclear agreement. This simple courtesy which is essential for orderly functioning of any government worth the name, particularly with regard to the conduct of foreign policy, they were not willing to grant me. They wanted a veto over every single step of negotiations which is not acceptable. They wanted me to behave as their bonded slave.”

Deftly side-stepping the charge that he had violated the coalition dharma by insisting on a deal that was not mentioned in the common minimum programme, the Prime Minister said: “The nuclear agreement may not have been mentioned…. However, there was an explicit mention of the need to develop closer relations with the USA but without sacrificing our independent foreign policy.”

His attack on Advani was more personal but less political than on Karat. Advani, he said, had often been abusive — and referred to the epithets “the weakest Prime Minister,” a “nikamma PM” et al. Making out Advani to be a man hungry for power, he said: “To fulfil his ambitions, he has made at least three attempts to topple our government. But on each occasion his astrologers misled him.”

Taking a swipe at the old man in a hurry, he went on to say: “This pattern, I am sure, will be repeated today. At his ripe old age, I do not expect Shri Advani to change his thinking. But for his sake and India’s sake, I urge him at least to change his astrologers so that he gets more accurate predictions of things to come.”

He went on to mock Advani’s record as a Hindutva leader and home minister — mentioning in one breath the terrorist attack on Parliament, the destruction of Babri Masjid and the Gujarat riots which had all taken place under his watch. It was at this point that he deftly changed the direction of his attack, asking the Left to ponder over the decision to stand with the BJP because of the “miscalculations by their general secretary”.

Apart from the sharp political broadsides, the Prime Minister dwelt at length — as he has on many occasions before — on the multi-hued merits of the nuclear agreement, on the achievements of the UPA government in the area of social welfare and education, and on the government’s continued commitment to an “independent foreign policy.”

He ended on an emotional note, recalling the first 10 years of his life “in a village with no drinking water supply, no electricity, no hospital, no roads and nothing that we today associate with modern living.”

And, as though answering critics who have accused him of selling out to “US imperialism”, the Prime Minister said, “Sir, my conscience is clear that on every day that I have occupied this high office, I have tried to fulfil the dream of that young boy from that distant village. Whatever I have done in this high office I have done so with a clear conscience and the best interests of my country and our people at heart. I have no other claims to make.”
 
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1080723/jsp/frontpage/story_9588766.jsp
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Re: Will the UPA survive the trust vote?
« Reply #16 on: July 23, 2008, 03:20:29 PM »
‘Slave’ breaks free 

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His attack on Advani was more personal but less political than on Karat. Advani, he said, had often been abusive — and referred to the epithets “the weakest Prime Minister,” a “nikamma PM” et al. Making out Advani to be a man hungry for power, he said: “To fulfil his ambitions, he has made at least three attempts to topple our government. But on each occasion his astrologers misled him.”

Taking a swipe at the old man in a hurry, he went on to say: “This pattern, I am sure, will be repeated today. At his ripe old age, I do not expect Shri Advani to change his thinking. But for his sake and India’s sake, I urge him at least to change his astrologers so that he gets more accurate predictions of things to come.


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Re: Will the UPA survive the trust vote?
« Reply #17 on: July 23, 2008, 05:50:22 PM »
It is good to see that finally the "intellectual" in MMS express his thoughts to his so-called colleagues.

I hope that the UPA government will use this opportunity - of Communists being absent as their "supporters" - to implement the much needed reforms which were all blocked by Karat and his ilk (I do not have an issue on this with all communists since Somnath Chatterjee displayed a brilliant performance as the Speaker and otherwise). They have only a few months to go, but I am sure that before the next elections there will be some breakthroughs for the private enterprises.

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Re: Will the UPA survive the trust vote?
« Reply #18 on: July 23, 2008, 05:58:40 PM »
National interest Vs Party Interest ?
What should a seasoned politician like Vajpayee or LK Advani do in this scenario.
Vince I dont have probs with Commies as well, as their Agendas are well known.
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« Reply #19 on: July 23, 2008, 06:13:06 PM »
bamfront or bum front??
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Re: Will the UPA survive the trust vote?
« Reply #20 on: July 24, 2008, 03:07:30 AM »
I hope that the UPA government will use this opportunity - of Communists being absent as their "supporters" - to implement the much needed reforms which were all blocked by Karat and his ilk (I do not have an issue on this with all communists since Somnath Chatterjee displayed a brilliant performance as the Speaker and otherwise). They have only a few months to go, but I am sure that before the next elections there will be some breakthroughs for the private enterprises.

What pray, are the 'much-needed reforms'? Who needs them? Just a couple of innocent questions...
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Re: Will the UPA survive the trust vote?
« Reply #21 on: July 24, 2008, 03:36:54 AM »
I hope that the UPA government will use this opportunity - of Communists being absent as their "supporters" - to implement the much needed reforms which were all blocked by Karat and his ilk (I do not have an issue on this with all communists since Somnath Chatterjee displayed a brilliant performance as the Speaker and otherwise). They have only a few months to go, but I am sure that before the next elections there will be some breakthroughs for the private enterprises.

What pray, are the 'much-needed reforms'? Who needs them? Just a couple of innocent questions...

that would be the loyal people of India. Ones reeling under power cuts and high interes rates
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Re: Will the UPA survive the trust vote?
« Reply #22 on: July 24, 2008, 02:37:43 PM »
that would be the loyal people of India. Ones reeling under power cuts and high interes rates

Is this loyalty akin to the patriotism that you and others of your ilk have demanded from supporters of the Indian cricket team in the past?
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Re: Will the UPA survive the trust vote?
« Reply #23 on: July 24, 2008, 03:57:02 PM »
that would be the loyal people of India. Ones reeling under power cuts and high interes rates

Is this loyalty akin to the patriotism that you and others of your ilk have demanded from supporters of the Indian cricket team in the past?

No this would be the loyalty that is looking at their own self interest and the average (non communist) wanting to get rich or atleast get a decent standard of living.

I had some time before leaving from India on the 22nd and watched the news channel all day ... What Rahul *hi said made sense. People had a huge issue with the computers too in the 90's. Talking about them taking the jobs away. They have improved t he lives of a lot of people in India (many have gotten bloated egos for nothing is a different issue). The nuke deal would do the same in terms of energy needs. Having first hand faced power cuts in Bangalore and Delhi and Noida and Jaipur over the last 2 weeks I can tell you most people would like that kind of loyalty. Communists may differ :)
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Re: Will the UPA survive the trust vote?
« Reply #24 on: July 25, 2008, 11:35:27 AM »
the telegraph winner/loser list is spot on. Actually, would add Amar singh to the list - he has become the Karl Rove of Sonia *hi now

Karat and Advani are in trouble.
BJP, if it wants to be a national force again, needs to move away from a "spent" Advani.
I dread this scenario, but Mayawati - if she gets 50-60 seats in LS next election - could be the next PM in a split parliament. I am hearing "good" stories about her administrative capabilities and decisiveness in UP.. but she has a serious vindictive streak to her.
Well, let's see how much real mileage MM's govt  gets out of this trust vote win. There are too many stalled programs and n-deal (if it is signed before the elections) would be his only achievement - for which "aam-aadmi" (the ones living in hinterlands) may not care.
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Re: Will the UPA survive the trust vote?
« Reply #25 on: July 25, 2008, 02:49:00 PM »
The loser is the indian Public who saw this drama unfolding. With few months to go for elections, The public money used to  pay as bribe for this session. I am still at loss in understanding why BJP did not support the Nuclear deal. Being opposition does not mean going against the govt always.

Caught up with few speeches and interviews last night, Pranab M was excellent (speech + NDTV interview) , Omar spoke with passian , Man he lost his voice next day .
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Re: Will the UPA survive the trust vote?
« Reply #26 on: July 25, 2008, 04:30:41 PM »
well at least the indian public won in the sense it will have some hope, something to look forward to in terms of a clean energy resource for the future ...
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Re: Will the UPA survive the trust vote?
« Reply #27 on: July 26, 2008, 09:12:41 AM »
The loser is the indian Public who saw this drama unfolding. With few months to go for elections, The public money used to  pay as bribe for this session. I am still at loss in understanding why BJP did not support the Nuclear deal. Being opposition does not mean going against the govt always.

Caught up with few speeches and interviews last night, Pranab M was excellent (speech + NDTV interview) , Omar spoke with passian , Man he lost his voice next day .

Omar's speech was the best by a long way.
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