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Dark Knight...
« on: July 13, 2008, 04:02:56 AM »
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« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2008, 03:03:36 PM »


There's a beautiful high-angle shot, early in The Dark Knight, that looks down on Bruce Wayne (Christian Bale) in full Batman regalia as he perches atop a Gotham skyscraper, surveying the city he lives to protect, then leaping off and spreading his majestic bat wings to swoop down into the night. Bruce's trajectory is also the film's. It traces a descent into moral anarchy, and each of its major characters will hit bottom. Some will never recover, broken by the touch of evil or by finding it, like a fatal infection, in themselves.

The Dark Knight, Christopher Nolan's second chapter in his revival of the DC Comics franchise, will hit theaters with all the hoopla and fanboy avidity of the summer season's earlier movies based on comic books. It's the fifth, and three of the first four (Iron Man, Wanted and Hellboy II) have been terrific or just short of it. (The Incredible Hulk: not so hot.) It's been one of the best summers in memory for flat-out blockbuster entertainment, and in the wow category, the Nolan film doesn't disappoint. True to format, it has a crusading hero, a sneering villain in Heath Ledger's Joker, spectacular chases — including one with Batman on a stripped-down Batmobile that becomes a motorcycle with monster-truck wheels — and lots of stuff blowing up. Even the tie-in action figures with Reese's Pieces suggest this is a fast-food movie.

But Nolan has a more subversive agenda. He wants viewers to stick their hands down the rat hole of evil and see if they get bitten. With little humor to break the tension, The Dark Knight is beyond dark. It's as black — and teeming and toxic — as the mind of the Joker. Batman Begins, the 2005 film that launched Nolan's series, was a mere five-finger exercise. This is the full symphony.

A Better Class of Criminal
Gotham has a new white knight: a fearless district attorney, Harvey Dent (Aaron Eckhart), who's determined to nab malefactors through the law with the same gusto that Batman, the dark knight, applies using his gadgets and charisma. The Mob (led by Eric Roberts) they can handle, with the help of stalwart police lieutenant James Gordon (Gary Oldman). But the Joker — this guy is nuts. He does deals with the Mob, then crosses them up. He makes a point with his pencil by ramming it into a gangster's head. "This town," he says, "deserves a better class of criminals." So do action movies, and here he is, vowing to bring down Batman and Dent, just for the mad fun of it.

In its rethinking and transcending of a schlock source, The Dark Knight is up there with David Cronenberg's 1986 version of The Fly. It turns pulp into dark poetry. Just as that movie found metaphors of cancer, AIDS and death in the story of a man devolving into an insect, so this one plumbs the nature of identity. Who are we? Has Bruce lost himself in the myth of the hero? Is his Batman persona a mission or an affliction? Can crusading Dent live down the nickname (Two-Face) some rancorous cops have pinned on him? Only the Joker seems unconflicted. He knows what he is: an "agent of chaos." Your worst nightmare.

No, really. This villain, as conceived by Nolan and his scriptwriter brother Jonathan and incarnated with chilling authority by Ledger, is not the elegant sadist of so many action films, nor the strutting showman played by Jack Nicholson in Tim Burton's 1989 Batman. He isn't a father figure or a macho man. And though he invents several stories about how he got his (facial and psychic) scars, he's not presented as the sum of injustices done to him. This Joker is simply one of the most twisted and mesmerizing creeps in movie history.

And the actor, who died in January at 28 of an accidental prescription-drug overdose, is magnificent. Echoing the sly psychopathy and scary singsong voice of Anthony Hopkins in The Silence of the Lambs (Hannibal Ledger!), Ledger carries in him the deranged threat of a punk star like Sid Vicious, whom he supposedly took as one of the models for his character. The Joker observes no rules, pursues no grand scheme; he's the terrorist as improv artist. Evil is his tenor sax, Armageddon his melody. Why, he might blow up a hospital or turn ordinary people into mass murderers to save their own lives.

The Joker may be insane, but he's a shrewd judge of character. He knows that Batman has two vulnerable spots: his girlfriend Rachel Dawes (Maggie Gyllenhaal, assuming the role Katie Holmes had in the first film) and his hidden identity. So the Joker starts preying on Rachel, and he says he'll stop terrorizing Gotham if Batman will come out from under the mask. A modest request from the bin Laden of movie villains, yet Bruce is reluctant. Or rather, the film is, since the informing principle of any franchise is perpetuation of the series. No secret, no Batman — just a moneybags with a Messiah complex.

The other would-be hero on a downward spiral is the district attorney. He's brave and ballsy enough to fight the Mob and the Joker, but when a tragedy makes his guilt roil, Dent gets bent. Old Two-Face has a mission of his own, and like the Joker, he can be a one-man plague — but with some of the poignance of classic tragedy.

Free Fall to Destiny
The mayhem and torture wreaked here, by saint or scum, are so vivid and persistent that it's a wonder, and a puzzle, why The Dark Knight snagged a PG-13 rating. (Don't take your 9-year-old son unless you think he'd enjoy seeing a kid just like him tremble in fear while a gun is held to his head by a previously sympathetic character.) But kids would have trouble following the movie, let alone understanding it. For teens and adults, it's a strap-yourselves-in trip, handsome and assured as only a big-budget picture can be. (Part of it was shot in the IMAX process, which lends the action scenes a startling clarity and depth.) And for reassurance, Nolan brings back old friends from Batman Begins: Michael Caine as Bruce's butler Alfred and Morgan Freeman as Fox, who takes care of Bruce's toys.

Actually, they're just diversions from the epochal face-off of Bruce and the Joker. For a good part of the film, when the two embrace in a free fall of souls — one doomed, the other imperiled — you may think you're in the grip of a mordant masterpiece. That feeling will pass, as the film spends too many of its final moments setting up the series' third installment. The chill will linger, though. The Dark Knight is bound to haunt you long after you've told yourself, Aah, it's only a comic-book movie.

http://www.time.com/time/arts/article/0,8599,1821365-1,00.html
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Re: Dark Knight...
« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2008, 05:14:34 AM »
going for the midnight premiere here!!!!
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Re: Dark Knight...
« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2008, 09:07:30 PM »
which theatre??? ... id be watching it on Thursday Night probably... no idea if its releasing this week
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Re: Dark Knight...
« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2008, 05:30:35 AM »
which theatre??? ... id be watching it on Thursday Night probably... no idea if its releasing this week

actually i dont think it is :(:(

next week....
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Re: Dark Knight...
« Reply #5 on: July 21, 2008, 10:56:52 AM »
Just as the Joker assures the Batman late in The Dark Knight that "You complete me", moviegoers lived up to their side of the bargain this past weekend and dutifully trooped in record numbers into theaters showing the much-ballyhooed Warner Bros. release.

An estimate from the studio--a bit of a controversial figure, accompanied by some  reported muttering from rival studios about the tally being rounded upwards--placed three-day ticket sales at $155. 3 million, narrowly displacing Sony's Spiderman 3 (at $151. 1 million in May of last year) as the weekend record holder.

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Re: Dark Knight...
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2008, 04:59:32 AM »
IMDB rates it already as the best movie of all-time.

this is not something the anal retentive fkers do - ever.

another policy of theirs - anyone who votes 10/10 in the first year of the movie's release is not counted - to stop the voting being swayed by fanboys.

Despite that:

1.   9.5   The Dark Knight (2008)   69,135 votes
2.   9.1   The Godfather (1972)   289,984 votes
3.   9.1   The Shawshank Redemption (1994)   341,140 votes


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Re: Dark Knight...
« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2008, 02:32:20 PM »

another policy of theirs - anyone who votes 10/10 in the first year of the movie's release is not counted - to stop the voting being swayed by fanboys.


So how did it hit 9.5? Votes from insiders?

And when are we catching the movie? 
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Re: Dark Knight...
« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2008, 03:12:31 PM »

another policy of theirs - anyone who votes 10/10 in the first year of the movie's release is not counted - to stop the voting being swayed by fanboys.


So how did it hit 9.5? Votes from insiders?

And when are we catching the movie? 

heheh a good point. i think they cut out a portion of the 10s then.
definitely remember reading about that.

we are catching the movie on thursday - ill send you a text about the time and stuff later tonight
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Re: Dark Knight...
« Reply #9 on: July 22, 2008, 03:16:27 PM »
IMDB rates it already as the best movie of all-time.

this is not something the anal retentive fkers do - ever.

another policy of theirs - anyone who votes 10/10 in the first year of the movie's release is not counted - to stop the voting being swayed by fanboys.

Despite that:

1.   9.5   The Dark Knight (2008)   69,135 votes
2.   9.1   The Godfather (1972)   289,984 votes
3.   9.1   The Shawshank Redemption (1994)   341,140 votes


None of these movies rank as the all time best movies anyways, as good as they are.

You could still make an argument for Godfather, but the others ?

Maybe from the fickle fans perspective whose movie going history is shallow but definitely not from a serious movie buff / critics' perspective.
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Re: Dark Knight...
« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2008, 02:44:18 AM »

another policy of theirs - anyone who votes 10/10 in the first year of the movie's release is not counted - to stop the voting being swayed by fanboys.


So how did it hit 9.5? Votes from insiders?

And when are we catching the movie? 

heheh a good point. i think they cut out a portion of the 10s then.
definitely remember reading about that.

we are catching the movie on thursday - ill send you a text about the time and stuff later tonight


99%  chances of me watching it in Grand Hyatt on Thursday Night
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« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2008, 02:48:16 AM »
only the regular voters votes are counted in IMDB.... 

The formula for calculating the Top Rated 250 Titles gives a true Bayesian estimate:

weighted rating (WR) = (v ÷ (v+m)) × R + (m ÷ (v+m)) × C

 where:
  R = average for the movie (mean) = (Rating)
  v = number of votes for the movie = (votes)
  m = minimum votes required to be listed in the Top 250 (currently 1300)
  C = the mean vote across the whole report (currently 6.7)

for the Top 250, only votes from regular voters are considered.
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Re: Dark Knight...
« Reply #12 on: July 24, 2008, 06:33:42 AM »

another policy of theirs - anyone who votes 10/10 in the first year of the movie's release is not counted - to stop the voting being swayed by fanboys.


So how did it hit 9.5? Votes from insiders?

And when are we catching the movie? 

heheh a good point. i think they cut out a portion of the 10s then.
definitely remember reading about that.

we are catching the movie on thursday - ill send you a text about the time and stuff later tonight


99%  chances of me watching it in Grand Hyatt on Thursday Night

jiet and i are doin IMAX at ibn battuta
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Re: Dark Knight...
« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2008, 12:24:12 PM »
damn, the local IMAX is not playing Dark Knight
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« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2008, 06:31:03 PM »

another policy of theirs - anyone who votes 10/10 in the first year of the movie's release is not counted - to stop the voting being swayed by fanboys.


So how did it hit 9.5? Votes from insiders?

And when are we catching the movie? 

heheh a good point. i think they cut out a portion of the 10s then.
definitely remember reading about that.

we are catching the movie on thursday - ill send you a text about the time and stuff later tonight


99%  chances of me watching it in Grand Hyatt on Thursday Night

jiet and i are doin IMAX at ibn battuta

did ya book the tickets in advance? because i inquired at around 8:30 thursday night and only front seats were available for 1:30 am show...

btw watched it at Grand Hyatt.... Amazing Movie... Movie of the Year for sure....
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« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2008, 08:02:27 PM »

another policy of theirs - anyone who votes 10/10 in the first year of the movie's release is not counted - to stop the voting being swayed by fanboys.


So how did it hit 9.5? Votes from insiders?

And when are we catching the movie? 

heheh a good point. i think they cut out a portion of the 10s then.
definitely remember reading about that.

we are catching the movie on thursday - ill send you a text about the time and stuff later tonight


99%  chances of me watching it in Grand Hyatt on Thursday Night

jiet and i are doin IMAX at ibn battuta

did ya book the tickets in advance? because i inquired at around 8:30 thursday night and only front seats were available for 1:30 am show...

btw watched it at Grand Hyatt.... Amazing Movie... Movie of the Year for sure....

yeah we had booked in advance. great show (though it ended somewhere near 4am!)
really enjoyed it.

movie of the year...i dont know. i was expecting it to be more chilling and scary but thats hype for you.
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« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2008, 10:57:26 AM »
Enjoyed the movie especially due to heath ledger's performance..but a great movie it is not.. in fact i thought i dragged on a bit towards the end..also not sure how this and shawshank redemption are considered to be all time greats...as far as godfather trilogy is considered i always thought part ii was better but still not among the top 3 or top 10 of all time..
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« Reply #17 on: July 26, 2008, 11:17:42 AM »
i saw citizen kane in 2001 on a special commemarative vhs print and i was completely amazed at the vision of the director and then when you say to yourself this was 1941 it kind of makes you think what a great film it really is
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« Reply #18 on: July 26, 2008, 11:24:22 AM »
i saw citizen kane in 2001 on a special commemarative vhs print and i was completely amazed at the vision of the director and then when you say to yourself this was 1941 it kind of makes you think what a great film it really is

now that's a movie that can be on any top 3 list
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« Reply #19 on: July 26, 2008, 11:32:25 PM »
Enjoyed the movie especially due to heath ledger's performance..but a great movie it is not.. in fact i thought i dragged on a bit towards the end..
Agree with your assessment.. Ledger's performance deserves a posthumous Oscar...and is driving the Box Office
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also not sure how this and shawshank redemption are considered to be all time greats..
Shawshank is one of all time favorites.. but I agree it cannot be called an all time great, critically speaking.
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« Reply #20 on: July 30, 2008, 05:23:17 AM »
what an amazing vision

the movie scared me

what a rush

and heath oh heath you will be missed  :notworthy:
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« Reply #21 on: July 30, 2008, 06:52:50 PM »
what an amazing vision

the movie scared me

what a rush

and heath oh heath you will be missed  :notworthy:

Yeah Nolan is one hell of a talented director... Memento, Batman Begins, The Prestige and now this....
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« Reply #22 on: July 30, 2008, 11:11:45 PM »
what an amazing vision

the movie scared me

what a rush

and heath oh heath you will be missed  :notworthy:

Yeah Nolan is one hell of a talented director... Memento, Batman Begins, The Prestige and now this....
I didn't get Memento.. too confusing and got annoying.

Prestige was awesome.

Now isn't Ghazini a "remake" of Memento.. I am looking forward to Aamir Khan's version.
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« Reply #23 on: August 02, 2008, 12:38:36 PM »
i agree memento could be confusing but that doesnt mean it is a bad film..the narrative style provided for the audience to be in the same state as guy pearce who had lost his memory...when it was going back and forth in time and storyline it had color and b&w scenes to give you an sense of what was going on..

And I dont think any bollywood copy can make it better or do justice to it...why cant these guys ever be original??
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« Reply #24 on: August 02, 2008, 03:49:05 PM »
I didnt say memento was a bad film.. i just didnt get it.

I can understand the reasons behind the narrative style.. unfortunately it left me  confused. I guess, in that sense, mission accomplished for the director ;D
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Re: Dark Knight...
« Reply #25 on: August 03, 2008, 03:48:10 AM »
just saw it -- pretty good movie, lots of layers.

Well made and Ledger ROCKS!
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« Reply #26 on: August 03, 2008, 04:28:46 AM »
Agreed Kban - difficult to put an action movie like this on the top of greatest movie list - that said I would like to see it again  ;D. Ledger's performance was the undoubtedly the key to the box office success.
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« Reply #27 on: August 04, 2008, 04:57:08 AM »
thats exactly what this movie does, it forces you to watch it again that too in the theatre, there are so many nuances that you want to catch all of them, that only means the film is a classic
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« Reply #28 on: August 04, 2008, 06:28:23 AM »
i saw it the opening night at the regular theater...then at the IMAX...it was a whole different experience at the IMAX as parts of the movie were actually shot using imax cameras. the joker is one of the best villains i have seen. wow, what a perfomance. batman's voice is still off and needs a bit of work. but very well made movie.
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« Reply #29 on: August 04, 2008, 01:52:21 PM »
tickets are so difficult for the imax version. Finally got tickets for the 9:00 am show on Sunday morning. Terrific movie though and definitely better in the Imax version.
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« Reply #30 on: August 05, 2008, 05:08:34 AM »
tickets are so difficult for the imax version. Finally got tickets for the 9:00 am show on Sunday morning. Terrific movie though and definitely better in the Imax version.

bah we only have 2D imax in dubai...
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« Reply #31 on: August 05, 2008, 01:58:16 PM »
tickets are so difficult for the imax version. Finally got tickets for the 9:00 am show on Sunday morning. Terrific movie though and definitely better in the Imax version.

bah we only have 2D imax in dubai...
it is 2d here too. Watched batman begins yesterday, liked it better this time(after watching part 2).
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« Reply #32 on: August 06, 2008, 04:04:08 AM »
tickets are so difficult for the imax version. Finally got tickets for the 9:00 am show on Sunday morning. Terrific movie though and definitely better in the Imax version.

bah we only have 2D imax in dubai...

movie has to be 3d boss otherwise all imax theaters are capable of showing it
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« Reply #33 on: August 06, 2008, 10:47:50 AM »
tickets are so difficult for the imax version. Finally got tickets for the 9:00 am show on Sunday morning. Terrific movie though and definitely better in the Imax version.

bah we only have 2D imax in dubai...

movie has to be 3d boss otherwise all imax theaters are capable of showing it
true.... movie should be shot as 3d to be shown as 3d... in IMax, Watch out for Avatar next year, that is being directed by James Cameroon...
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« Reply #34 on: August 07, 2008, 06:04:14 AM »
Agreed Kban - difficult to put an action movie like this on the top of greatest movie list - that said I would like to see it again  ;D. Ledger's performance was the undoubtedly the key to the box office success.

jiet im going to go watch again tonight :D youre free to join
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Re: Dark Knight...
« Reply #35 on: August 08, 2008, 01:44:00 AM »
tickets are so difficult for the imax version. Finally got tickets for the 9:00 am show on Sunday morning. Terrific movie though and definitely better in the Imax version.

bah we only have 2D imax in dubai...

movie has to be 3d boss otherwise all imax theaters are capable of showing it
true.... movie should be shot as 3d to be shown as 3d... in IMax, Watch out for Avatar next year, that is being directed by James Cameroon...

i reckon dhruv has been wearing his 3d glasses to all the movies  >:D
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