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here's why i think achutank is wrong...
« on: March 18, 2006, 01:37:01 AM »
he is...oh wait thats just opinion..dont lock this thread down..plzzzz...pretty plz?

for Christ's sake...even if prem is another one of those godforsaken journalists, he reserves the right to be biased. if you dont want to read his stuff, don't. even if he goes on to become as biased as the majority of journalists out there, i for one would read his stuff over yours...coz what you guys have is just words put together, not exactly writing..oh and more often that not, it doesnt make sense...

having said that, this discussion group is awesome...pretty lame how you losers picked up on prem/arjun swarup's creation and now proudly call of this your own stuff. didn't innovate squat..just borrowed some ideas and now parading as saviors..
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Re: here's why i think achutank is wrong...
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2006, 01:37:42 AM »
just watch me get banned or something for freedom of speech  :P
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Re: here's why i think achutank is wrong...
« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2006, 02:35:40 AM »
also its pretty awesome how i got some applause for that  :P ..of course now, i'll get a billion smites..such is life.
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Re: here's why i think achutank is wrong...
« Reply #3 on: March 18, 2006, 03:07:35 AM »
Hey I thought I saw a couple o posts from KBan but on refreshing they are gone!! You missed an applaud mate.
OK, I have given it to Pollock now
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Re: here's why i think achutank is wrong...
« Reply #4 on: March 18, 2006, 05:36:22 AM »
that is well said......all of a sudden everybody wants to put prem on the cross very reason 99% of the people are here to start with ???
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Re: here's why i think achutank is wrong...
« Reply #5 on: March 18, 2006, 05:44:41 AM »
here is what prfsr had to say about Prem in some other thread and I liked it very much!..

"How about agreeing that "we want to look forward, and Prem is not in our plan of the future (upto WC 2007)"? Surely that is not anti-Prem, just making the "right call"? " :D


prfsr, no copyright issues I hope!?
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« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2006, 06:18:24 AM »
prfsr had something to say while you have ..... ::)
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Re: here's why i think achutank is wrong...
« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2006, 10:53:14 AM »
he is...oh wait thats just opinion..dont lock this thread down..plzzzz...pretty plz?

why this prosecution complex?  :) like i have been saying to any mod on this dg or the other unlesss the language gets crass all of us are welcome to happpily insult each other:)

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for Christ's sake...even if prem is another one of those godforsaken journalists, he reserves the right to be biased. if you dont want to read his stuff, don't. even if he goes on to become as biased as the majority of journalists out there, i for one would read his stuff over yours...coz what you guys have is just words put together, not exactly writing..oh and more often that not, it doesnt make sense...

no wrong in being biased. everybody is including jesus christ. (he  had a big bias towards all things good.) i believe the word i used was condescending. the know-it-all attitude comes through in every sentence. no facts at most times, just some averages culled out of cricinfo and a huge opinion. if people can loathe someone like jha (and i am part of that list just like you) for his bias and colourful over-the-top writting, i think its only fair that i can express soemthing about mr. prem panicker here. i am not writing about sonia *hi, i am commenting abouta  cricket writer, so this dg is a fair place for that. if not then all other posts on jha so far should also be pulled down.
nothing is more worse in a journalist than lament. thats for the common people like us. they have a job to do and they have to do it wothout lament just ike we are expected to in office. unlike a lot of us they can actually change things with it. they can write well as you rightly pointed out and nothing can change the course of history more than a well-written word.

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having said that, this discussion group is awesome...pretty lame how you losers picked up on prem/arjun swarup's creation and now proudly call of this your own stuff. didn't innovate squat..just borrowed some ideas and now parading as saviors..

whatever is there on prempanix or the purdue server is nothing new. the format is supplied by mike lewis i think if you read the copyright at the bottom. so whether arjun used it or dex or you or me it does not matter. yes i have never said that its not becasue of prem's writings that we are here in the first place, but there are a percentage of people who have joined the purdue server and this one long after prem stopped coming to talk. on the ideas front, there are more ideas here than on the other, and there is a sense of anybody can and everybody should contribute. in post after post dex and the admin have been requesting for inputs. nobody is calling this dg their own, yet we can all call it our own together. its not prem's blog or dg, its our dg. so anybody can say their bit without getting a cold shoulder from whoever is running the blog.

that i can appreciate your post and the line of thought and the opportunity to reply to it, itself is the best freedom one can enjoy. thats what i applauded. the question of saviour does not arise. finally i am not admin, i am as much a common footfall as you are. but the chance that we are equal in a discussion is something i cherish. and dialogue is with euals, only unequals get talked down to.

if you want to see how a cricket writer should write read ian chappel. he is biased but he is not perched on some ivory tower and preaching..
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Re: here's why i think achutank is wrong...
« Reply #8 on: March 18, 2006, 02:09:33 PM »
there is a joke when we export crabs the indian kind....we dont need a lid....btw prem is writing an opinion piece and when you say stuff like that you will have what is known as an opinion....
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« Reply #9 on: March 18, 2006, 02:24:09 PM »
Look at this style you could actually visualize the game in front of your eyes


It’s not often you get to see a spell of high class fast bowling (as opposed to swing and seam, mind) from an Indian. So maybe when one such comes along, it’s a cue to applaud; several Indian fielders in fact punctuated the deliveries with ostentatious applause, and none of the by-rote shabash shabash that greets even innocuous half trackers.

Munaf Patel took one over after tea to line his ducks up; he then took a positive shine to Kevin Pietersen.

Three deliveries were pitched well up at a gentle medium-fast-ish pace, each drawing the batsman well forward. The fourth, completely out of the blue, was a scorcher – pitched back of length, the ball kept climbing at pace as Pietersen rose up on his toes, then off the ground fending at it awkwardly and taking the hit on the shoulder. The next was another bouncer, even more awkward and again, Pietersen was all at sea. Followed the yorker, which the batsman just managed to dig out.

Munaf then got to square up against Andrew Strauss, who avoided taking a single first up, probably to give his partner some breathing space. Munaf switched to round the wicket, gave him the short one, then two full deliveries that narrowly escaped the LBW; then came the ball of the spell, a very quick, full delivery that deviated to go between bat and body, beating comprehensively a batsman on 106 and presumably sighting it like never before.

The next over produced a Strauss miss-hook to another well directed bouncer that landed out of reach of fine leg; another bouncer had Pietersen doing his dance of distress…

It was stirring stuff. As they said of the 13th Hussars at Balaclava, ‘Magnificient, but it’s not war!’

One big battle in the war had been lost before Munaf began turning it on. Harbhajan, opening the bowling after tea, went around the wicket to Andrew Strauss, got his line wrong and got cut for four; followed it up with the doosra pushed through real quick and tempted the batsman into cutting again. The width was the bait, the speed the trap; Strauss bit, cut hard, and saw Dravid at slip fend the ball away as it came at his face, rather than cling on.

In one of the more bizarre decisions of the day, Dravid promptly punished the bowler by taking him out of the attack, and switched to Kumble and Pathan (Munaf, it needs mentioning, had really put his heart into that spell in hot, humid conditions and was beginning to tire), and both batsmen breathed easy.

That let off, early in the session, hurt in more ways than one. Owais Shah, whose grip on the bat handle was mentioned in the previous session report, ‘retired hurt’ at the tea break, to give his cramping fingers a break. A wicket early, especially that of the well set Strauss, would have had two new men at the crease.

Worse followed. Dhoni, whose keeping was high quality in Nagpur and Mohali, decided to have his bad hair day. With the score on 194/1, Kumble got one to turn enough to find the inner edge; Dhoni couldn’t react in time as the ball deviated from its line. Strauss was then 111; 12 runs later, Kumble produced a googly that found Strauss’s outer edge and again, Dhoni spilt the chance.

While the Indians played pass the pillow, Strauss gritted his way past his 8th Test 100, and his first since the 129 against Australia in the first innings of the 5th Test, at the Oval. Nine knocks since then had failed to produce a 50; this 100 came just when the murmurs that he was losing the plot too early and too often was getting a touch loud.

Brought back for yet another spell, Harbhajan went around the wicket again to Strauss, tossed one right up, made it turn and jump and found the edge for Dhoni to juggle and, this time, hold (England 230/2; Strauss 128/238).

And then things began to happen. Paul Collingwood mishooked Sreeshanth and the fielder at fine leg reacted late; the next ball, he found the edge of Pietersen’s bat with a ball that deviated late to beat the drive and the ball flew at catching height to where second slip wasn’t. Another miscued hook by Pietersen in the next over prompted the frustrated Sreeshanth into mock applause.

In the over after that – the 81st of the innings – Sreeshanth finally got his man; again, late reverse, just enough to find the edge as Pietersen went hard on the drive, and this time the edge went finer, to Dhoni behind the stumps to end what is arguably one of the less impressive knocks ‘KP’ has played in his brief career thus far (242/3; Pietersen 39/63).

The seamers – first Sreeshanth, then a somewhat stiff Munaf – came to the party as play pushed into overtime; at the other end, Harbhajan got the ball to fizz. Flintoff and Collingwood shut shop early, focusing purely on survival through to the end of the day. Flintoff broke out of defense long enough to ease Harbhajan over the long on boundary for an effortless six, as a subtle reminder of his barely sheathed power and timing.

272/3 at stumps, ending a session that produced 114 runs off 34 overs for the loss of two wickets, on balance signaled a split-session with neither side claiming a knockout. But when you pile that on top of two clear sessions won by England, day one has pretty much ended as England’s day.

India has one chance to pull this back. If they can take out England around the 400 mark plus or minus 20, the home team still has the opportunity to use more than decent batting conditions to bat itself into the sort of position it enjoyed in Mohali as the match swung into the second innings.

To do that, India needs to use the first hour tomorrow to optimum advantage – fresh seam bowlers, warmed up and firing from ball one. Fail there, and India could well end up facing a mountain – and find it has misplaced its climbing spikes.

PostScript: Time to go get some rest. Back tomorrow, around 9 pm my time. See you guys then...
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« Reply #10 on: March 18, 2006, 02:43:40 PM »
so what? flowery language does not make up for content or the attitude. this is really a roundup, its when he starts his analysis or his feature-style article that you get the full volume on the condescending attitude.
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« Reply #11 on: March 18, 2006, 02:56:02 PM »
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India has one chance to pull this back. If they can take out England around the 400 mark plus or minus 20, the home team still has the opportunity to use more than decent batting conditions to bat itself into the sort of position it enjoyed in Mohali as the match swung into the second innings.

To do that, India needs to use the first hour tomorrow to optimum advantage – fresh seam bowlers, warmed up and firing from ball one. Fail there, and India could well end up facing a mountain – and find it has misplaced its climbing spikes.

even here for example:

does he take for granted that the indian topline would not be able to handle this pitch? he does not even consider that harminson is not there and really england is down to two guys who can get us. but remember that in this venue its impossible to bowl sustained long spells. therefore at any point after the initial spell they will be down to only one frontline bowler on an end and a monty on the other.
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« Reply #12 on: March 18, 2006, 02:57:33 PM »
there is a joke when we export crabs the indian kind....we dont need a lid....btw prem is writing an opinion piece and when you say stuff like that you will have what is known as an opinion....

so what are we saying here : that PP is our export expert on matters of cricket writing? please.  ;D ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #13 on: March 18, 2006, 07:43:56 PM »
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India has one chance to pull this back. If they can take out England around the 400 mark plus or minus 20, the home team still has the opportunity to use more than decent batting conditions to bat itself into the sort of position it enjoyed in Mohali as the match swung into the second innings.

To do that, India needs to use the first hour tomorrow to optimum advantage – fresh seam bowlers, warmed up and firing from ball one. Fail there, and India could well end up facing a mountain – and find it has misplaced its climbing spikes.

even here for example:

does he take for granted that the indian topline would not be able to handle this pitch? he does not even consider that harminson is not there and really england is down to two guys who can get us. but remember that in this venue its impossible to bowl sustained long spells. therefore at any point after the initial spell they will be down to only one frontline bowler on an end and a monty on the other.

well written achutank!...an applause.
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« Reply #14 on: March 18, 2006, 10:24:32 PM »
I would say yes .. PP is indeed an expert.
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« Reply #15 on: March 18, 2006, 10:25:15 PM »
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« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2006, 11:57:36 PM »
gauravs one liners and kbans epics we have all bases covered on this forum :o
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« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2006, 01:11:45 AM »
he is...oh wait thats just opinion..dont lock this thread down..plzzzz...pretty plz?

why this prosecution complex?  :) like i have been saying to any mod on this dg or the other unlesss the language gets crass all of us are welcome to happpily insult each other:)

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for Christ's sake...even if prem is another one of those godforsaken journalists, he reserves the right to be biased. if you dont want to read his stuff, don't. even if he goes on to become as biased as the majority of journalists out there, i for one would read his stuff over yours...coz what you guys have is just words put together, not exactly writing..oh and more often that not, it doesnt make sense...

no wrong in being biased. everybody is including jesus christ. (he  had a big bias towards all things good.) i believe the word i used was condescending. the know-it-all attitude comes through in every sentence. no facts at most times, just some averages culled out of cricinfo and a huge opinion. if people can loathe someone like jha (and i am part of that list just like you) for his bias and colourful over-the-top writting, i think its only fair that i can express soemthing about mr. prem panicker here. i am not writing about sonia *hi, i am commenting abouta  cricket writer, so this dg is a fair place for that. if not then all other posts on jha so far should also be pulled down.
nothing is more worse in a journalist than lament. thats for the common people like us. they have a job to do and they have to do it wothout lament just ike we are expected to in office. unlike a lot of us they can actually change things with it. they can write well as you rightly pointed out and nothing can change the course of history more than a well-written word.

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having said that, this discussion group is awesome...pretty lame how you losers picked up on prem/arjun swarup's creation and now proudly call of this your own stuff. didn't innovate squat..just borrowed some ideas and now parading as saviors..

whatever is there on prempanix or the purdue server is nothing new. the format is supplied by mike lewis i think if you read the copyright at the bottom. so whether arjun used it or dex or you or me it does not matter. yes i have never said that its not becasue of prem's writings that we are here in the first place, but there are a percentage of people who have joined the purdue server and this one long after prem stopped coming to talk. on the ideas front, there are more ideas here than on the other, and there is a sense of anybody can and everybody should contribute. in post after post dex and the admin have been requesting for inputs. nobody is calling this dg their own, yet we can all call it our own together. its not prem's blog or dg, its our dg. so anybody can say their bit without getting a cold shoulder from whoever is running the blog.

that i can appreciate your post and the line of thought and the opportunity to reply to it, itself is the best freedom one can enjoy. thats what i applauded. the question of saviour does not arise. finally i am not admin, i am as much a common footfall as you are. but the chance that we are equal in a discussion is something i cherish. and dialogue is with euals, only unequals get talked down to.

if you want to see how a cricket writer should write read ian chappel. he is biased but he is not perched on some ivory tower and preaching..
man i hate it when ppl try to act smart....so prem is condescending..your opinion..a pretty stupid one if you ask me kban, before you put on your grandpa moderator hat note that my comment is about the opinion..not the person. funny how, i got a bunch of crap yesterday coz i made comments about someone..well hey here goes someone else making comments about another person's attitude..i'm pretty sure, kban, that we agreed it is fine to say all you want about an opinion, piece of work, etc, but making personal comments about someone else is wrong...saying someone else is condescending is kinda crossing the line..but then what do i know, i'm not a smarty pants.
anyways...so prem "comes off as condescending"..maybe he is..maybe he isn't whats it to you? if i had X thousand ppl coming to read my writing everyday, i could care less what i come off as. now before you feel too cool and think that we came here to read your nonsense...i dontk now about others, but i for one didn't. i'll give you some credit where its due, this is a nice forum to discuss cricket and kudos to all who are keeping it going. some of your comments, though, pathetic.
oh and this is totally unrelated..but ganguly is goooooooooooooooooooone  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D ...just an opinion ya know  :-*
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« Reply #19 on: March 19, 2006, 01:23:05 AM »
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« Reply #20 on: March 19, 2006, 01:23:46 AM »
he is...oh wait thats just opinion..dont lock this thread down..plzzzz...pretty plz?

why this prosecution complex?  :) like i have been saying to any mod on this dg or the other unlesss the language gets crass all of us are welcome to happpily insult each other:)

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for Christ's sake...even if prem is another one of those godforsaken journalists, he reserves the right to be biased. if you dont want to read his stuff, don't. even if he goes on to become as biased as the majority of journalists out there, i for one would read his stuff over yours...coz what you guys have is just words put together, not exactly writing..oh and more often that not, it doesnt make sense...

no wrong in being biased. everybody is including jesus christ. (he  had a big bias towards all things good.) i believe the word i used was condescending. the know-it-all attitude comes through in every sentence. no facts at most times, just some averages culled out of cricinfo and a huge opinion. if people can loathe someone like jha (and i am part of that list just like you) for his bias and colourful over-the-top writting, i think its only fair that i can express soemthing about mr. prem panicker here. i am not writing about sonia *hi, i am commenting abouta  cricket writer, so this dg is a fair place for that. if not then all other posts on jha so far should also be pulled down.
nothing is more worse in a journalist than lament. thats for the common people like us. they have a job to do and they have to do it wothout lament just ike we are expected to in office. unlike a lot of us they can actually change things with it. they can write well as you rightly pointed out and nothing can change the course of history more than a well-written word.

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having said that, this discussion group is awesome...pretty lame how you losers picked up on prem/arjun swarup's creation and now proudly call of this your own stuff. didn't innovate squat..just borrowed some ideas and now parading as saviors..

whatever is there on prempanix or the purdue server is nothing new. the format is supplied by mike lewis i think if you read the copyright at the bottom. so whether arjun used it or dex or you or me it does not matter. yes i have never said that its not becasue of prem's writings that we are here in the first place, but there are a percentage of people who have joined the purdue server and this one long after prem stopped coming to talk. on the ideas front, there are more ideas here than on the other, and there is a sense of anybody can and everybody should contribute. in post after post dex and the admin have been requesting for inputs. nobody is calling this dg their own, yet we can all call it our own together. its not prem's blog or dg, its our dg. so anybody can say their bit without getting a cold shoulder from whoever is running the blog.

that i can appreciate your post and the line of thought and the opportunity to reply to it, itself is the best freedom one can enjoy. thats what i applauded. the question of saviour does not arise. finally i am not admin, i am as much a common footfall as you are. but the chance that we are equal in a discussion is something i cherish. and dialogue is with euals, only unequals get talked down to.

if you want to see how a cricket writer should write read ian chappel. he is biased but he is not perched on some ivory tower and preaching..
hahaha...yes, i read ian chappell's work, thank you very much. then again, he gest paid to do his stuff, doesn't he? i'm pretty sure nobody gave panicker anything to do what he did on blogspot. which is more than i can say about this cricketvoice effort. panicker didn't do his thing so a billion others could give him applauds or smites. he did it coz he wanted to converse with other ppl who had a tad of common sense about cricket...nothing more..nothing less. you want to take his writing as preaching -- take it...i'm pretty sure he didn't intend it that way..but hey, you can't blame a person for not thinking before accepting something as gospel truth...its hard to think, really..i understand.
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« Reply #21 on: March 19, 2006, 03:48:57 AM »
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man i hate it when ppl try to act smart....so prem is condescending..your opinion..a pretty stupid one if you ask me kban, before you put on your grandpa moderator hat note that my comment is about the opinion..not the person. funny how, i got a bunch of crap yesterday coz i made comments about someone..well hey here goes someone else making comments about another person's attitude..i'm pretty sure, kban, that we agreed it is fine to say all you want about an opinion, piece of work, etc, but making personal comments about someone else is wrong...saying someone else is condescending is kinda crossing the line..but then what do i know, i'm not a smarty pants.
anyways...so prem "comes off as condescending"..maybe he is..maybe he isn't whats it to you? if i had X thousand ppl coming to read my writing everyday, i could care less what i come off as. now before you feel too cool and think that we came here to read your nonsense...i dontk now about others, but i for one didn't. i'll give you some credit where its due, this is a nice forum to discuss cricket and kudos to all who are keeping it going. some of your comments, though, pathetic.
oh and this is totally unrelated..but ganguly is goooooooooooooooooooone             ...just an opinion ya know 


Not sure why you need to drag me into this conversation with achutank here. Saying someone's opinion is stupid is not a crime, neither is saying someone is condescending --this is if you need my confirmation.

Saying what you did yesterday, IMHO, could have been construed as a personal attack. I believe I reasoned with you about this, so I am going to ignore your sarcastic and uncalled for jab at me in ur writing above.

And on a different note -- you do not like achuntak's comments, fine, go ahead and argue with him.

Why do you have to keep dissing the DG and questioning our motives over and over again ? No one here is getting paid to do anything or do you believe applause and smites can be traded as tangible currency ?
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Re: here's why i think achutank is wrong...
« Reply #22 on: March 19, 2006, 04:11:25 AM »

oh and this is totally unrelated..but ganguly is goooooooooooooooooooone  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D ...just an opinion ya know  :-*

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Re: here's why i think achutank is wrong...
« Reply #23 on: March 19, 2006, 04:18:41 AM »
And on a different note -- you do not like achuntak's comments, fine, go ahead and argue with him.

Why do you have to keep dissing the DG and questioning our motives over and over again ? No one here is getting paid to do anything or do you believe applause and smites can be traded as tangible currency ?

yeah, i'm arguing with him...

achuntak has made his dislike of some journalists mode of expressing his approval once..yet he keeps reiterating over and over...likewise, it is no crime for me to keep on making my point. ok yeah, its annoying..but kban dude, unfortunately not everyone sees thing in the same controlled logical manner that you do...

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Re: here's why i think achutank is wrong...
« Reply #24 on: March 19, 2006, 04:21:25 AM »
yeah, i'm arguing with him...

achuntak has made his dislike of some journalists mode of expressing his approval once..yet he keeps reiterating over and over...likewise, it is no crime for me to keep on making my point. ok yeah, its annoying..but kban dude, unfortunately not everyone sees thing in the same controlled logical manner that you do...

We can see that!

PS: Hey, where are the mandatory laughter smileys? Have you recovered from your dementia?
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Re: here's why i think achutank is wrong...
« Reply #25 on: March 19, 2006, 04:27:03 AM »
pollock:

Look my friend, Achutank started a thread about Prem.

You started a thread saying you found his opinion about Prem illogical.  Well, he is going to defend himself isn't he ? He is clarifying his position and responding to you on your thread by saying why he doesn't like PP's opinions. Not sure how that is repeating his dislike of PP --its more a continuation of arguments.

Anyways, thats between you guys --I dont have a stake here except to say that what is happening --him defending his point of view after you questioned it, is but natural. Go forth and argue / discuss.

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