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Re: Anyone covering the Euro?
« Reply #40 on: June 16, 2008, 04:37:10 AM »
I am eagerly waiting to see the sundry Dutch/ Spanish/ Croats/ Austrians/ Italians etc getting steam-rolled by the Germans! ::cheers::
Are the English playing?

well, the croats just steamrolled them .. if you didnt notice
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Re: Anyone covering the Euro?
« Reply #41 on: June 16, 2008, 04:39:05 AM »
Did anyone see the Czech-Turkey match yesterday??

What a game!

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Re: Anyone covering the Euro?
« Reply #42 on: June 16, 2008, 07:19:33 AM »
Did anyone see the Czech-Turkey match yesterday??

What a game!

Nihat!!!
No.. wanted to watch it.. but fell asleep ;D
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Re: Anyone covering the Euro?
« Reply #43 on: June 16, 2008, 07:58:29 AM »
Did anyone see the Czech-Turkey match yesterday??

What a game!

Nihat!!!

too brilliant the turn of events great game fast and creative, portugal on the other hand looked out of sorts
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Re: Anyone covering the Euro?
« Reply #44 on: June 16, 2008, 08:54:19 AM »
Did anyone see the Czech-Turkey match yesterday??

What a game!

Nihat!!!
No.. wanted to watch it.. but fell asleep ;D

You missed something
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Re: Anyone covering the Euro?
« Reply #45 on: June 16, 2008, 08:55:09 AM »
Did anyone see the Czech-Turkey match yesterday??

What a game!

Nihat!!!

too brilliant the turn of events great game fast and creative, portugal on the other hand looked out of sorts

portugal was playing a virtual B side .. no ronaldo, no deco ... their match against Germany (?) will be interesting
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Re: Anyone covering the Euro?
« Reply #46 on: June 16, 2008, 09:33:37 AM »
I am sure....come the big stage...the Germans will boot them all! ::cheers::
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Re: Anyone covering the Euro?
« Reply #47 on: June 16, 2008, 12:25:35 PM »
I am sure....come the big stage...the Germans will boot them all! ::cheers::

They still need to qualify though. Don't forget, the last time they faced their current opponents in a tournament, the Austrians beat them 3-2 and spammed their chances of making it thru the group stages. This was of course Argentina, 1978!
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Re: Anyone covering the Euro?
« Reply #48 on: June 16, 2008, 12:57:25 PM »
Germany should still go through, I think ..they have a match against Austria coming up, which should not be much of an issue at least 9 times out of 10

Not that easy. Historical rivalries apart, both teams bank on physicality, and though the germans are technically and tactically superior, in such crunch games, with home support, who knows what the Austrians can come up with. We know already that the krauts can be rattled when pressed higher up in their half.

agreed it wont be a walk in the park ...but, you would still back Germany on the big stage ...anyway, if they cant beat Austria, then they dont deserve to be in the quarters

I am quite ecstatic about the way the Euro has progressed thus far. And I am very bullish about all the so called underdogs. So I am hoping for most of the Eastern European teams to make it through to the next round, and upset the applecart of a few underperforming G-8 nations that have for long rested on their laurels and are straddled with a few Shanis who seem to always reappear at the time of a big tournament only to choke for the n'th time. So for example, if Spain do any thing good this time around I am convinced it will be more due to the sacking of Raul than anything to do with the goals yet to be scored by Torres and Villa. Just as they are rightfully down in the dumps for their lifelong dalliance with that hijra with a child-bearing ass — Del Piero. And despite Zlatan Ibra having delivered so far, I am convinced he will choke by the time the KO rounds start. Then there is that Incredible Hulk Koller with the wasteful Baros in tow — am I glad that they have been sent packing?

The best part of course is that there are no representatives from across the English channel. The icing will be if either Portugal/ Holland or one of the East European teams win the tourney.

Incidentally, I am pleasantly surprised by the level of attacking football on display. While there have been very few goal fests, there have been verrrrry few draws. Most teams that are doing well are playing modern attacking football using midfield diamonds, 60-yds cross-field  passes and diagonal runs to not only get out of their own box but to launch fast counter attacks that flummox the opposing defenders [because I believe that the 3-D vision of human beings is not that adept at tracking diagonal movement, as it is of horizontal or vertical]. For whatever reason, the defensive funnels that stifle positive play and are a favourite of many modern coaches is conspicuous by its absence — and that makes for exciting football. It's ironic that the current German team seem to embody the best of many of these qualities, and yet might well miss out on the KO rounds. I won't shed a tear tho. A loss of a perennial favourite also signals the potential rise of a fresh new force. So long as they are not Greece, I'm happy!

Geez, this could well eclipse the Euro 2000 and turn out to be the best tourney since mebbe WC'86!
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Re: Anyone covering the Euro?
« Reply #49 on: June 16, 2008, 01:04:43 PM »
Did anyone see the Czech-Turkey match yesterday??

What a game!

Nihat!!!
No.. wanted to watch it.. but fell asleep ;D

You missed something
I know.. but kya kare
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Re: Anyone covering the Euro?
« Reply #50 on: June 16, 2008, 01:23:28 PM »
Germany should still go through, I think ..they have a match against Austria coming up, which should not be much of an issue at least 9 times out of 10

Not that easy. Historical rivalries apart, both teams bank on physicality, and though the germans are technically and tactically superior, in such crunch games, with home support, who knows what the Austrians can come up with. We know already that the krauts can be rattled when pressed higher up in their half.

agreed it wont be a walk in the park ...but, you would still back Germany on the big stage ...anyway, if they cant beat Austria, then they dont deserve to be in the quarters

I am quite ecstatic about the way the Euro has progressed thus far. And I am very bullish about all the so called underdogs. So I am hoping for most of the Eastern European teams to make it through to the next round, and upset the applecart of a few underperforming G-8 nations that have for long rested on their laurels and are straddled with a few Shanis who seem to always reappear at the time of a big tournament only to choke for the n'th time. So for example, if Spain do any thing good this time around I am convinced it will be more due to the sacking of Raul than anything to do with the goals yet to be scored by Torres and Villa. Just as they are rightfully down in the dumps for their lifelong dalliance with that hijra with a child-bearing ass — Del Piero. And despite Zlatan Ibra having delivered so far, I am convinced he will choke by the time the KO rounds start. Then there is that Incredible Hulk Koller with the wasteful Baros in tow — am I glad that they have been sent packing?

The best part of course is that there are no representatives from across the English channel. The icing will be if either Portugal/ Holland or one of the East European teams win the tourney.

Incidentally, I am pleasantly surprised by the level of attacking football on display. While there have been very few goal fests, there have been verrrrry few draws. Most teams that are doing well are playing modern attacking football using midfield diamonds, 60-yds cross-field  passes and diagonal runs to not only get out of their own box but to launch fast counter attacks that flummox the opposing defenders [because I believe that the 3-D vision of human beings is not that adept at tracking diagonal movement, as it is of horizontal or vertical]. For whatever reason, the defensive funnels that stifle positive play and are a favourite of many modern coaches is conspicuous by its absence — and that makes for exciting football. It's ironic that the current German team seem to embody the best of many of these qualities, and yet might well miss out on the KO rounds. I won't shed a tear tho. A loss of a perennial favourite also signals the potential rise of a fresh new force. So long as they are not Greece, I'm happy!

Geez, this could well eclipse the Euro 2000 and turn out to be the best tourney since mebbe WC'86!

if one is looking for quality football, i would want germany in there ahead of austria, any day ... somehow, a portugal - germany match appears much more appetizing than a portugal - austria or, god forbid, a portugal - ploand one.

otherwise, i agree entirely with what you say ... i am hoping for a holland v portugal final
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Re: Anyone covering the Euro?
« Reply #51 on: June 16, 2008, 03:12:01 PM »
Germany should still go through, I think ..they have a match against Austria coming up, which should not be much of an issue at least 9 times out of 10

Not that easy. Historical rivalries apart, both teams bank on physicality, and though the germans are technically and tactically superior, in such crunch games, with home support, who knows what the Austrians can come up with. We know already that the krauts can be rattled when pressed higher up in their half.

agreed it wont be a walk in the park ...but, you would still back Germany on the big stage ...anyway, if they cant beat Austria, then they dont deserve to be in the quarters

I am quite ecstatic about the way the Euro has progressed thus far. And I am very bullish about all the so called underdogs. So I am hoping for most of the Eastern European teams to make it through to the next round, and upset the applecart of a few underperforming G-8 nations that have for long rested on their laurels and are straddled with a few Shanis who seem to always reappear at the time of a big tournament only to choke for the n'th time. So for example, if Spain do any thing good this time around I am convinced it will be more due to the sacking of Raul than anything to do with the goals yet to be scored by Torres and Villa. Just as they are rightfully down in the dumps for their lifelong dalliance with that hijra with a child-bearing ass — Del Piero. And despite Zlatan Ibra having delivered so far, I am convinced he will choke by the time the KO rounds start. Then there is that Incredible Hulk Koller with the wasteful Baros in tow — am I glad that they have been sent packing?

The best part of course is that there are no representatives from across the English channel. The icing will be if either Portugal/ Holland or one of the East European teams win the tourney.

Incidentally, I am pleasantly surprised by the level of attacking football on display. While there have been very few goal fests, there have been verrrrry few draws. Most teams that are doing well are playing modern attacking football using midfield diamonds, 60-yds cross-field  passes and diagonal runs to not only get out of their own box but to launch fast counter attacks that flummox the opposing defenders [because I believe that the 3-D vision of human beings is not that adept at tracking diagonal movement, as it is of horizontal or vertical]. For whatever reason, the defensive funnels that stifle positive play and are a favourite of many modern coaches is conspicuous by its absence — and that makes for exciting football. It's ironic that the current German team seem to embody the best of many of these qualities, and yet might well miss out on the KO rounds. I won't shed a tear tho. A loss of a perennial favourite also signals the potential rise of a fresh new force. So long as they are not Greece, I'm happy!

Geez, this could well eclipse the Euro 2000 and turn out to be the best tourney since mebbe WC'86!

if one is looking for quality football, i would want germany in there ahead of austria, any day ... somehow, a portugal - germany match appears much more appetizing than a portugal - austria or, god forbid, a portugal - ploand one.

otherwise, i agree entirely with what you say ... i am hoping for a holland v portugal final

Agreed that Euro 2008 has been quality so far. I love the way Croatia is playing...creating neat little triangles to move the move the ball like clockwork - I think their coach has been very successful in developing the team. I would like to see either Croatia or Netherlands to win (Netherlands because they are coached by good ol' Van Basten). Refs have been great too.

Looking forward to seeing the Italians out in the first round.
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Re: Anyone covering the Euro?
« Reply #52 on: June 16, 2008, 05:19:09 PM »
http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2008/jun/16/austria.euro2008groupb


Austria dream of dealing out the schadenfreude


In Vienna tonight the hosts are hoping to send guests Germany home with no favour





Germany might come to regret inventing that wonderful word "schadenfreude". Their team is one bad result away from going out of the European Championship and that alone has led to some unrestrained joy in the Austrian newspapers. Osterreich was being handed out on the underground yesterday with a photograph of the striker Martin Harnik on the front cover and the speech bubble "Germany are *ting their pants". It is not big, or particularly clever, but this is what happens when the most unpopular team in international football are on the brink of ignominy: everyone wants to revel in their discomfort.

The chances of it happening, it should not be overlooked, are pretty remote. To put it into context, Austria versus Germany is a similar contest to Northern Ireland against England or Tranmere Rovers versus Liverpool. But then again, England lost the last time they played in Belfast and Liverpool went out of the FA Cup last season to Barnsley.

Germany may be fifth in Fifa's world rankings and Austria a distant 92nd, somewhere behind Oman and Libya, but, as their assistant manager, Andreas Herzog, eloquently put it at the weekend: "They can shove that up their arse."

It has certainly been a strange backdrop to the final round of games in Group B. When Euro 2008 got under way there was little sense that Austria had embraced the tournament in the same way that, say, Germany did in the last World Cup. Now, however, it seems as if red and white flags are fluttering from every balcony, window and spire in Vienna. The police have already put netting round the Pestsäule, the baroque plague memorial column just round the corner from Stephansdom, in preparation for the party that could happen tonight and in Ressel Park an Austrian scarf had been tied round the neck of Johannes Brahms's statue yesterday.

The reason for all this is Ivica Vastic's stoppage-time penalty to salvage a 1-1 draw against Poland last Thursday, coupled with Germany's 2-1 defeat by Croatia. Suddenly little, patronised Austria can qualify for the quarter-finals at Germany's expense. All of which constitutes something of a surprise, given Austria's build-up to the tournament, when a 10,000-name petition urged them to withdraw for fear of turning the country into a laughing stock.

"When people first started talking about this tournament there were a lot of jokes about us and some of the people who were laughing even said we should not be taking part," said Herzog. "Now it is all the more satisfying to show that we have a real chance of advancing beyond our group - and doing so with a final match against our arch-rivals."

Can Austria do it? Do they have authentic hopes of repeating their Córdoba moment of 1978 when they beat West Germany 3-2 in the World Cup? As shocks go, it would be fairly seismic considering they have won only one of their last 16 games and, over the last 18 months, failed to beat, among others, Ghana, Tunisia and Japan. And, of course, England. Yet Harnik, for one, appears to think Germany are vulnerable. "They are under three times more pressure than us," he said. "I can see it coming to the point where they * their pants. If we take our chances they will be putting on their suits and going home."

It was an interesting choice of words from a striker who plays his club football at Werder Bremen and has dual German-Austrian nationality, and Harnik immediately found himself banned from doing any more press interviews by the Austrian football federation. "He is talking drivel, absolute nonsense," said the coach, Josef Hickersberger. "Germany have won the World Cup three times, the European Championship three times and they are favourites for this tournament. I am going to have to talk to Harnik about this. I cannot tolerate such stupidity."

Nonetheless Austria should be encouraged by reports from the German camp that Joachim Löw's players have held a warts-and-all inquest into their defeat by Croatia with angry words exchanged and, quite possibly, grudges festering. "Everyone is a bit tense," admitted Michael Ballack. "It wasn't a crisis meeting but sometimes the players are able to speak more openly away from the coaches. Football is not always harmonious, the voices have gotten louder and people have been giving their opinion but the important thing is that it is all constructive. You are not out to run anybody down but sometimes you have to say things with a rough edge."

Ballack acknowledged that he was one of the players who had more to offer than he had shown so far. Another is Jens Lehmann, the former Arsenal goalkeeper, whose inability to control his own penalty area will not have gone unnoticed among opposition managers but who is expected to keep his place.

"Overall we haven't played to our full potential yet," said Ballack. "I know, for example, that I could and should have done better. We are honest enough to be self-critical. But at least there's plenty of room for improvement."



Friendly neighbours? What happened when they met at major finals


1978 Córdoba, Argentina

Austria 3 West Germany 2. In the final match of their second-round World Cup group the reigning world champions needed to beat already-eliminated

Austria by four goals to stand any chance of edging out Holland for a place in the final. Karl-Heinz Rummenigge got West Germany off to the perfect start after 19 minutes but things went awry when Berti Vogts, playing his last game for his country, put the ball into his own net. Hans Krankl scored twice for the Austrians and despite Bernd Hölzenbein's header they held on to record their first victory over a German team since 1931.


1982 Gijón, Spain

West Germany 1 Austria 0. Four years later the two teams met again, this time in the final game of their first-round group. Algeria had four points from their three games, having beaten Chile the previous day; Austria and West Germany went into their match on four points and two points respectively each knowing that a 1-0 win for the Germans would see them both qualify because of their superior goal difference. Funnily enough, that is exactly what happened. No complicity was ever proved but thereafter Fifa changed the rules to ensure final group matches were played simultaneously.
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Re: Anyone covering the Euro?
« Reply #53 on: June 16, 2008, 07:15:09 PM »
Hmm, I remember seeing that 1978 match on TV and getting dissapointed. But then, these things happen in Football. In 1974, Holland had  the greatest team and lost it to the hosts Germany. In 78, they had even a better team (despite the absence of Kruyff) and lost (just) to the hosts Argentina.
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« Reply #54 on: June 17, 2008, 04:38:37 AM »
What a strike by Ballack ... in a rather patchy match.

So Germany v Portugal it is ... will be great fun!!
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« Reply #55 on: June 17, 2008, 05:35:26 AM »
Austria had never had a player of the calibre of Hans Krankl since the late seventies. They had Anton Polstar for a while but he too wasn't a match-winner.
They are not a big-time team.........they can upset the apple-carts once in a while, thats all.
Anyway...it is sad that the hosts had to bow out...............Austria is a beautiful country...........Innsbruck....Vienna......Salzburg.......the river Danube, it remains one of my favorite tourism destinations..............I had the oppurtunity to be there twice before.

Anyway...........................so, who is the next in line for the German boot??  :D
Come on....double up and fall in line..... :D
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« Reply #56 on: June 17, 2008, 06:44:21 AM »
WOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOO GERMANY ARE THROUGH

tonight's game will be electric...
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« Reply #57 on: June 17, 2008, 08:56:35 AM »
France will go thru hopefully..........................Allez France! ::cheers::
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« Reply #58 on: June 17, 2008, 12:12:42 PM »
I am looking forward to Romania beating Holland and putting both Italy and France out of their misery .. frankly, both teams do not look as if they belong in this tournament with their shoddy, uninspiring and boring football.
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« Reply #59 on: June 17, 2008, 02:32:05 PM »
I am looking forward to Romania beating Holland and putting both Italy and France out of their misery .. frankly, both teams do not look as if they belong in this tournament with their shoddy, uninspiring and boring football.

Lets hope that the dutch for once put their pragmatic hats on... if they lose today... they won't have to meet either italy or france in the semis...
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« Reply #60 on: June 17, 2008, 03:33:29 PM »
Unfortunately, this is too small a tournament to allow good teams to make a come-back. This is more like the slam-bang show. :(
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« Reply #61 on: June 17, 2008, 03:39:04 PM »
Unfortunately, this is too small a tournament to allow good teams to make a come-back. This is more like the slam-bang show. :(

How is that... in the WC u play 7 games max... in the EC u play 6 games max.. not much difference..

in any case, for far too long, the so called good teams have made poor starts and then received handouts in the form of dodgy decisions in their favour that have helped them on till the latter stages... italy reached the WC finals in 1994 playing one good game... ditto with the french in WC 2006... and there are other examples too... 
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« Reply #62 on: June 17, 2008, 03:46:55 PM »
Unfortunately, this is too small a tournament to allow good teams to make a come-back. This is more like the slam-bang show. :(

How is that... in the WC u play 7 games max... in the EC u play 6 games max.. not much difference..

in any case, for far too long, the so called good teams have made poor starts and then received handouts in the form of dodgy decisions in their favour that have helped them on till the latter stages... italy reached the WC finals in 1994 playing one good game... ditto with the french in WC 2006... and there are other examples too... 

besides the grouping was rather lop-sided this time....with France/ Italy and Holland ...all in one group! :(
you can't play the top-seeds right at the beginning........they must have the seeding system here too...........what is the point of having the potential finalists face off in the first round itself?!
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« Reply #63 on: June 17, 2008, 03:48:02 PM »
You need minnows in the tournament to act as buffers for champion teams...............
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« Reply #64 on: June 17, 2008, 03:52:04 PM »
It is sad that a boringly defensive team like Italy may go into the next round at the expense of the stylish France. :(
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Re: Anyone covering the Euro?
« Reply #65 on: June 17, 2008, 03:53:08 PM »
Azzuri Per Sempe..that is all..and feverpitch..the hijra with the childbearing ass is going to make you eat your words...if you dont rate del piero, then what you know about football wont fit in a flys ass...

ze french are going home blwe...au revoir to them and their stupid ass coach...malouda instead of asri? gomis instead of benzema? goveu instead of ben arfa? what the hell is he smoking and where can i get some..and the most laughable yet..ribery behind the striker...what a way to play a man who's been owning the left side of the park ever since he figured out how to tie his bootlaces..bravo domenech..only someone as daft as you could screw the french team up...oh wait..mcClowns still the daftest..but domenech..you run him close you stupid frog eating, baguette molesting piece of rotten goat turd..

btw..that sneijder is rather good isnt he.. :notworthy:
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« Reply #66 on: June 17, 2008, 04:00:52 PM »
Azzuri Per Sempe..that is all..and feverpitch..the hijra with the childbearing ass is going to make you eat your words...if you dont rate del piero, then what you know about football wont fit in a flys ass...

ze french are going home blwe...au revoir to them and their stupid ass coach...malouda instead of asri? gomis instead of benzema? goveu instead of ben arfa? what the hell is he smoking and where can i get some..and the most laughable yet..ribery behind the striker...what a way to play a man who's been owning the left side of the park ever since he figured out how to tie his bootlaces..bravo domenech..only someone as daft as you could screw the french team up...oh wait..mcClowns still the daftest..but domenech..you run him close you stupid frog eating, baguette molesting piece of rotten goat turd..

btw..that sneijder is rather good isnt he.. :notworthy:

Let me assure you...the Azzuris got the World Championship by fluke............it was all thanks to the 'transvestite in pants' Matterazzi...otherwise Italy wouldn't have had it....believe me.
Anyway, now that France is all but going out thanks to that haggardly team Holland...I would like to see how far the Italians go this time.
The Germans will kick their a** big time! ::cheers::
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« Reply #67 on: June 17, 2008, 04:11:48 PM »
of course it was all cos of materazzi..he scored the come back goal after a dodgy penalty decision...and hey..its not like he took zidanes head between his hands and slammed it into his chest...or was zidane too stupid to realise that materazzi was winding him up just so he'd do something like what he did?..come on..whatever the provovation..every player playing the game knows that the slightest physical touch on an opposition player is a straight red...zidane should have known better!

i hope that we do go through blwe..have a nasty nasty feeling that holland are going to let romania have a decent shot at winning their match..and if that happens..doesnt matter what the italians do..

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« Reply #68 on: June 17, 2008, 05:25:07 PM »
Well, the Dutch may lose the game if they are smart by fielding their second string team in order to rest (rest in real sense and not in Indian Cricket sense) their valuable players. After all, Portugal lost to Switzerland. Italy and France do not deserve to be in finals.
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« Reply #70 on: June 17, 2008, 07:11:12 PM »
Italy gets a penalty and Abidal is red-carded. France to play 10 men only. 25th min

Italy goes up 1-0

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« Reply #71 on: June 17, 2008, 07:16:29 PM »
ITaly missing at least 3 chances in the last 5 minutes.. 31st min
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« Reply #72 on: June 17, 2008, 07:31:02 PM »
Andrea Pirlo yellow carded.. gone from next match
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Re: Anyone covering the Euro?
« Reply #73 on: June 18, 2008, 02:01:36 AM »
and feverpitch..the hijra with the childbearing ass is going to make you eat your words...if you dont rate del piero, then what you know about football wont fit in a flys ass...

The only thing I can say here is that I'd be glad if Del Piero plays, because that should ensure a win for their opponents.

And I have no qualms in accepting that my fly's ass is no shadow of Del Piero's ample hump. So long as (s)he is able to carry your hopes on that booty... no issues...
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Re: Anyone covering the Euro?
« Reply #74 on: June 18, 2008, 02:04:14 AM »
Well, the Dutch may lose the game if they are smart by fielding their second string team in order to rest (rest in real sense and not in Indian Cricket sense) their valuable players. After all, Portugal lost to Switzerland. Italy and France do not deserve to be in finals.

I'd say they made a crucial mis calculation here. Isn't it Machiavelli who says that one should put in all the blows at once on their opponents so that they don't get to live and see another day?
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« Reply #75 on: June 18, 2008, 03:54:44 AM »
It is sad that a boringly defensive team like Italy may go into the next round at the expense of the stylish France. :(

And who is to blame for that? The stylish France had an opportunity to go through by beating the boringly defensive Italy. They could not.
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« Reply #76 on: June 18, 2008, 03:57:17 AM »
Unfortunately, this is too small a tournament to allow good teams to make a come-back. This is more like the slam-bang show. :(

How is that... in the WC u play 7 games max... in the EC u play 6 games max.. not much difference..

in any case, for far too long, the so called good teams have made poor starts and then received handouts in the form of dodgy decisions in their favour that have helped them on till the latter stages... italy reached the WC finals in 1994 playing one good game... ditto with the french in WC 2006... and there are other examples too... 

besides the grouping was rather lop-sided this time....with France/ Italy and Holland ...all in one group! :(
you can't play the top-seeds right at the beginning........they must have the seeding system here too...........what is the point of having the potential finalists face off in the first round itself?!


Bull*... France is hurt by not being able to beat Romania ..who is hardly a top seed. That is the way the draw was. The Dutch had no problem; Italy made it. The French could not .. I think the French are a spent force ...Lilian Thuram cannot even keep up with the slowest forward these days. Their defence is a mess and Thiery Henry seems to be able to score only in the EPL. Take Ribery out of that team and even Austria would probably give them a run for their money.
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« Reply #77 on: June 18, 2008, 03:58:28 AM »
You need minnows in the tournament to act as buffers for champion teams...............

Well, you have the French, dont you? How many more minnows do you want?
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« Reply #78 on: June 18, 2008, 05:35:42 AM »
Unfortunately, this is too small a tournament to allow good teams to make a come-back. This is more like the slam-bang show. :(

How is that... in the WC u play 7 games max... in the EC u play 6 games max.. not much difference..

in any case, for far too long, the so called good teams have made poor starts and then received handouts in the form of dodgy decisions in their favour that have helped them on till the latter stages... italy reached the WC finals in 1994 playing one good game... ditto with the french in WC 2006... and there are other examples too... 

besides the grouping was rather lop-sided this time....with France/ Italy and Holland ...all in one group! :(
you can't play the top-seeds right at the beginning........they must have the seeding system here too...........what is the point of having the potential finalists face off in the first round itself?!


Bull*... France is hurt by not being able to beat Romania ..who is hardly a top seed. That is the way the draw was. The Dutch had no problem; Italy made it. The French could not .. I think the French are a spent force ...Lilian Thuram cannot even keep up with the slowest forward these days. Their defence is a mess and Thiery Henry seems to be able to score only in the EPL. Take Ribery out of that team and even Austria would probably give them a run for their money.

"Take Ribery out of that team and even Austria would probably give them a run for their money"

What do you want to prove with such flippant statements?! :D
Yes...France is an ageing team...I am sure they need some change of guards....and they have a very good junior team.
But they are still World no 7 as per FIFA rankings ( which is admittedly quite low for their own standards). But you can't call them minnows if you claim to  be knowledgeable about football.   
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« Reply #79 on: June 18, 2008, 05:50:41 AM »
Unfortunately, this is too small a tournament to allow good teams to make a come-back. This is more like the slam-bang show. :(

How is that... in the WC u play 7 games max... in the EC u play 6 games max.. not much difference..

in any case, for far too long, the so called good teams have made poor starts and then received handouts in the form of dodgy decisions in their favour that have helped them on till the latter stages... italy reached the WC finals in 1994 playing one good game... ditto with the french in WC 2006... and there are other examples too... 

besides the grouping was rather lop-sided this time....with France/ Italy and Holland ...all in one group! :(
you can't play the top-seeds right at the beginning........they must have the seeding system here too...........what is the point of having the potential finalists face off in the first round itself?!


Bull*... France is hurt by not being able to beat Romania ..who is hardly a top seed. That is the way the draw was. The Dutch had no problem; Italy made it. The French could not .. I think the French are a spent force ...Lilian Thuram cannot even keep up with the slowest forward these days. Their defence is a mess and Thiery Henry seems to be able to score only in the EPL. Take Ribery out of that team and even Austria would probably give them a run for their money.

"Take Ribery out of that team and even Austria would probably give them a run for their money"

What do you want to prove with such flippant statements?! :D

It is not a flippant statement ... Ribery is their best player .. he is not being used well .. otherwise this team is living on past glory

Yes...France is an ageing team...I am sure they need some change of guards....and they have a very good junior team.

Let all those juniors come in first and perform .. then, we'll see

But they are still World no 7 as per FIFA rankings ( which is admittedly quite low for their own standards). But you can't call them minnows if you claim to  be knowledgeable about football.  

I think the No 7 ranking flatters the current team.
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