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No rewards for being 1st
« on: May 30, 2008, 12:55:44 AM »
No reward for coming first

Dileep Premachandran

May 29, 2008

In just over 48 hours, a team that lost nearly 50% of its league matches could be crowned champions of the inaugural Indian Premier League. A competition spanning six weeks, nearly as long as the much-criticised World Cup in the Caribbean, will finally reach its climax at two venues that none of the four semi-finalists call home. The Rajasthan Royals, perfect over seven games in Jaipur, go into their semi-final against the Delhi Daredevils with no reward whatsoever for that pristine home record. The fact that they won four more games over the regular season also counts for nothing. So, what sort of league are we talking about here?

Traditionally, there are two kinds. The classic variety, still found in European football, has the teams playing a fixed number of matches, home and away. The team that accumulates the most points is crowned champions. If there's a tie, goal difference settles it [England] or it goes down to your head-to-head record [Spain]. Either way, the best team invariably wins.

The second kind is the American league, and the dedication to Mammon dictates a convoluted finale that involves wild-cards and play-offs. Even there though, there's a sense of fairness, and reward for excellence during the course of the regular season. The teams with the best records get home-field advantage throughout the play-offs, and only in the case of American Football's Superbowl is the final game played at a neutral venue. The chances of a mediocre team coming through to upset a champion side are slim to non-existent, though once in a generation you'll get a Joe Namath or an Eli Manning inspiring a David outfit against the heavily favoured Goliath.

Unfortunately, the IPL offers no sort of protection to the best teams in the competition. Rajasthan and Punjab have clearly been the pick of the eight teams, and there would be no complaints at all if they were to contest the final. Instead, two teams, Chennai Super Kings and Delhi, who lost six of their 14 games could slip in through the back door thanks to the semi-finals being one-off games played at a neutral venue.

It doesn't help that the event was hopelessly compromised by the initial bidding process for the franchises. Whoever bid most [it happened to be Reliance shelling out $111.9 million for Mumbai] also won the right to stage the semi-finals and the final, while the second-highest bid won Vijay Mallya and the Bangalore Royal Challengers the opening game.

In the larger scheme of things, the opening ceremony, however many lasers, dancers or cheerleaders you muster up, is an irrelevance. That certainly isn't true for the semi-finals and the final. After beating Mumbai in Jaipur last Monday, Shane Warne was understandably worked up about the possibility of Mumbai sneaking into the last four. "If Mumbai sneak in, they get a home semi-final, despite having scraped through," he said. "I can't see any advantage for finishing on top.

"The top two sides should have home-ground advantage." No one, certainly no one that matters in the IPL, was listening though, and so it is that Rajasthan will play out their last-four clash 1000km removed from the passionate support that was such a factor in that perfect home run.

Warne's views were echoed by another antipodean legend, Martin Crowe, chief cricket officer of the Royal Challengers. If anything, his suggestion was even more radical. "With an eight-team format, I would look at the top team going into final and second and third-placed teams playing off on the home ground of the second-placed side," he said. "The Rajasthan Royals have won the league, they might get smashed in the semi and I think they deserve to be in the final. And with television, it's been condensed to have the semis and the final at one venue, back to back. That doesn't make sense to anyone except the television people."

Few events are perfect at the first time of asking, and we can only hope that this eyesore is fixed in time for next year. If not, you might just get the very ugly sight of a team that lost six or seven regular-season games walking away with the big trophy. Under the watchful gaze of the floodlight towers, that really would be daylight robbery.

Dileep Premachandran is an associate editor at Cricinfo

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Re: No rewards for being 1st
« Reply #1 on: May 30, 2008, 01:39:17 AM »
Ideally  this needs to be a best of 3 semis and also the finals on a home and away basis  with the team with most wins getting the home court advantage, kinda like the NBA finals ... but the league has gone on for so long  they would not want to drag it anymore
You also want to reward the most consistent team like NBA or NFL.

what would be some of the options ?

If you had power to change some things in ipl what would those be?
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Re: No rewards for being 1st
« Reply #2 on: May 30, 2008, 02:19:01 AM »
Best of 3 semifinals and finals would have been ideal.

I don't think this game overload claim holds. There have been 56 games involving 8 teams, 20 overs a side. Comparing with ODIs, each T20 is 0.4 * ODI in overs bowled. So 56 T20 games = 24 ODIs in overs bowled. With 8 teams involved, that is not overload at all. Having each team play every other one twice evens out luck playing a big role and the home ground advantage too, IMO.

If the league had all teams playing on the same day - i.e. 4 games on a day, this whole series would have been over much more quickly. The reason that is not done is they want to milk TV viewership and ads for as much as possible.

Adding a max of 9 more T20s in the semifinal and final stage is equivalent to 4 ODIs in overs bowled. I think subsequent versions will rectify these issues, including the home advantage.



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Re: No rewards for being 1st
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2008, 03:27:51 AM »
I think they should split the teams into 2 divisions - this has to happen anyway after year 5 when they will add more franchises - and have teams within a division play each other home and away ..and play the other division teams once either home or away, alternating each season. This way each team will play 10 games with total of 40 games during the league phase. Then they should add best of 3 semis and finals .. with home field advantage to the higher seed based on regular season .. min 6 games and max 9 games.  The total games then will be 46-49.

Unfortunately, the TV contract perhaps calls for 59 games... so don't expect a tweak in # of games.. maybe next season they will apply the home-field advantage to higher seed rule.
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Re: No rewards for being 1st
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2008, 04:43:50 AM »
I think they should split the teams into 2 divisions - this has to happen anyway after year 5 when they will add more franchises - and have teams within a division play each other home and away ..and play the other division teams once either home or away, alternating each season. This way each team will play 10 games with total of 40 games during the league phase. Then they should add best of 3 semis and finals .. with home field advantage to the higher seed based on regular season .. min 6 games and max 9 games.  The total games then will be 46-49.

Unfortunately, the TV contract perhaps calls for 59 games... so don't expect a tweak in # of games.. maybe next season they will apply the home-field advantage to higher seed rule.

he he , just imagine the lower division consisting of BRC led by RD ,MI led by SRT and KKR led by SG.
I can bet 2nd Division will be more popular and more sponsors will line up for them than the First Division.
Empty stands for 1st Division and full Stadium for 2nd Division  ;D
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Re: No rewards for being 1st
« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2008, 04:52:40 AM »
The only reason they can not do without the finals is because of TV revenues. Otherwise they should have crowned RR as league champions and done away with the tournament. Another option would be for the two top teams to battle it out for the crown and the remaining two for the 3rd and 4th spots.
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Re: No rewards for being 1st
« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2008, 05:19:01 AM »
i think the ideal would be to have a home leg and an away leg for the semis...
decide on net rr
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Re: No rewards for being 1st
« Reply #7 on: June 01, 2008, 05:53:31 AM »
I think they should split the teams into 2 divisions - this has to happen anyway after year 5 when they will add more franchises - and have teams within a division play each other home and away ..and play the other division teams once either home or away, alternating each season. This way each team will play 10 games with total of 40 games during the league phase. Then they should add best of 3 semis and finals .. with home field advantage to the higher seed based on regular season .. min 6 games and max 9 games.  The total games then will be 46-49.

Unfortunately, the TV contract perhaps calls for 59 games... so don't expect a tweak in # of games.. maybe next season they will apply the home-field advantage to higher seed rule.

he he , just imagine the lower division consisting of BRC led by RD ,MI led by SRT and KKR led by SG.
I can bet 2nd Division will be more popular and more sponsors will line up for them than the First Division.
Empty stands for 1st Division and full Stadium for 2nd Division  ;D
I was not suggesting performance based divisions.. more geographic perhaps.. IPL-North (RR, DD, KXIP, KKR) and IPL-South (MI, BRC, DC, CSK) maybe.
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Re: No rewards for being 1st
« Reply #8 on: June 01, 2008, 06:10:38 AM »
I think they should split the teams into 2 divisions - this has to happen anyway after year 5 when they will add more franchises - and have teams within a division play each other home and away ..and play the other division teams once either home or away, alternating each season. This way each team will play 10 games with total of 40 games during the league phase. Then they should add best of 3 semis and finals .. with home field advantage to the higher seed based on regular season .. min 6 games and max 9 games.  The total games then will be 46-49.

Unfortunately, the TV contract perhaps calls for 59 games... so don't expect a tweak in # of games.. maybe next season they will apply the home-field advantage to higher seed rule.

he he , just imagine the lower division consisting of BRC led by RD ,MI led by SRT and KKR led by SG.
I can bet 2nd Division will be more popular and more sponsors will line up for them than the First Division.
Empty stands for 1st Division and full Stadium for 2nd Division  ;D

lol, that is LaLa land ur in if you think Dhoni, Yuvraj, Sehwag can't get people into the stadiums.
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Re: No rewards for being 1st
« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2008, 06:14:13 AM »
I think they should split the teams into 2 divisions - this has to happen anyway after year 5 when they will add more franchises - and have teams within a division play each other home and away ..and play the other division teams once either home or away, alternating each season. This way each team will play 10 games with total of 40 games during the league phase. Then they should add best of 3 semis and finals .. with home field advantage to the higher seed based on regular season .. min 6 games and max 9 games.  The total games then will be 46-49.

Unfortunately, the TV contract perhaps calls for 59 games... so don't expect a tweak in # of games.. maybe next season they will apply the home-field advantage to higher seed rule.

he he , just imagine the lower division consisting of BRC led by RD ,MI led by SRT and KKR led by SG.
I can bet 2nd Division will be more popular and more sponsors will line up for them than the First Division.
Empty stands for 1st Division and full Stadium for 2nd Division  ;D

lol, that is LaLa land ur in if you think Dhoni, Yuvraj, Sehwag can't get people into the stadiums.
Good point.. even a KKR needs SRK to bring crowds to the stadium, consistently!! Frankly, these days it is more fun watching a YP and SR tonk a six of good ball, rather than a "stylish" cover drive by any of the maharathis. BTW, since when did RD bring in the crowds ;D
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