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[gouravk]

oh we do do we ? why is he not yet in the team then at age 25 ?

[ruchir]

BLWE -

Show me a game where any of the big 3 scored a mind boggling 51 runs from 2 overs. You have to keep your expectations realistic, whether it is from a YP or the big 3.

[Blwe_torch]

Pathan fails when the going got tough!
India's criketing future lies in the hands of these players!

Yes SG would have won the match from this situation.

well....he did against Punjab!

A starting run rate of 8.75 against 11+.... also SG opened while YP came 3rd down.

RR - 51 runs required from last 2 overs when YP got out.
KKR - 23 runs required from last 2 overs.

Comparing these 2 games is like comparing apples and oranges.

so, what was YP doing, if he leaves the others to score 51 runs of 2 overs?
Yes Gul certainly helped Ganguly........but Pathan too had Kamran Akmal ( a recognized batsman) ....and Akmal did a better job than him imo. Also, Watson and Rawat too played well to support him.......................................YP needs to conduct the game in the middle and not stand as the puppet of the situation.......don't he?
I hope he has a head for cricket too....and not just the hands.
Hand-eye coordination is fine.....but in cricket ( any form)...u need to use the head too.

[Blwe_torch]

BLWE -

Show me a game where any of the big 3 scored a mind boggling 51 runs from 2 overs. You have to keep your expectations realistic, whether it is from a YP or the big 3.

it is difficult no doubt.......................but importantly, YP wasn't there to play those, was he?
And how did he play while he was there....or how did he make his partners play to his advantage?

[poondu]

Pathan fails when the going got tough!
India's criketing future lies in the hands of these players!

Yes SG would have won the match from this situation.

well....he did against Punjab!

A starting run rate of 8.75 against 11+.... also SG opened while YP came 3rd down.

RR - 51 runs required from last 2 overs when YP got out.
KKR - 23 runs required from last 2 overs.

Comparing these 2 games is like comparing apples and oranges.

so, what was YP doing, if he leaves the others to score 51 runs of 2 overs?
Yes Gul certainly helped Ganguly........but Pathan too had Kamran Akmal ( a recognized batsman) ....and Akmal did a better job than him imo. Also, Watson and Rawat too played well to support him.......................................YP needs to conduct the game in the middle and not stand as the puppet of the situation.......don't he?
I hope he has a head for cricket too....and not just the hands.
Hand-eye coordination is fine.....but in cricket ( any form)...u need to use the head too.

Rawat and Watson played well in this match.Good jokes.   

[gouravk]

haha .. were you sleeping when rawat played out an entire over and didnt give him the strike  

[ruchir]

BLwe, YP scored 39 from 15 balls. He was hitting at every thing, because there was no other way he could have won the match. When you are taking that kind of risks, you either carry it through or you mi* and get out. YP mi* and got out. He was doing what he was supposed to do. Check commentary of both games. Both YP and SG started the 19th over by facing the bowler. So, YP was trying to farm the strike to go for broke. It's just that he mi* the very first ball trying to score 25+ runs per over, that is more than a 4 on every ball, for 12 balls.

[kban1]

blwe:

i didnt watch the match but just looking at the scoreboard --it seems YP scored 39 runs off 15 balls at a SR of 260. i dont see why you are being so hard on him --a sr of 260 while chasing such a mammoth score is commendable, not something to be criticized.

[ramshorns]

Looks like Yusuf Pathan is a certainity to be selected in the 15 for the coming ODI series and deservedly so based on IPL.

[ruchir]

Pitamah, I think BLWE is just messing around. 

[gouravk]

mmm ... yeah .. id say so ! unless blwe has his way !

[Blwe_torch]

blwe:

i didnt watch the match but just looking at the scoreboard --it seems YP scored 39 runs off 15 balls at a SR of 260. i dont see why you are being so hard on him --a sr of 260 while chasing such a mammoth score is commendable, not something to be criticized.

arre...this guy lasted only 15 balls................and he is supposed to be the match-winner of the team!
He is being rated as the top 20-20 star ahead of the Big-3...the discovery of the season.......the future of India's ODI team.
And just when the going got tough for him ( for a change)...he scooted off.
I understand, batting is just a one-ball game....and it was his hard-luck that got him dismissed..................but where is his performance when the situation demanded?
I expect high performances...from the 'would be' champions.

[Blwe_torch]

the point is.....S/R and the score is not so important.................more important is what you achieve out of your score ( in Pathan's case, defeat)............this is the yard-stick of champion players.

[ruchir]

the point is.....S/R and the score is not so important.................more important is what you achieve out of your score ( in Pathan's case, defeat)............this is the yard-stick of champion players.

As I asked before, has SG or SRT or RD or VVSL scored 51 off 12 balls to win a game for their side? If not, then this particular comparison is a non-starter.

9.9 out of 10 times, the chasing side will lose if the situation is that they have to score 51 from 2 overs. Today was not to be that .1 exceptional day.

You are expecting from YP what none of the maharathi has even dreamed of doing in their career. Why so? 

[Blwe_torch]

the point is.....S/R and the score is not so important.................more important is what you achieve out of your score ( in Pathan's case, defeat)............this is the yard-stick of champion players.

As I asked before, has SG or SRT or RD or VVSL scored 51 off 12 balls to win a game for their side? If not, then this particular comparison is a non-starter.

9.9 out of 10 times, the chasing side will lose if the situation is that they have to score 51 from 2 overs. Today was not to be that .1 exceptional day.

You are expecting from YP what none of the maharathi has even dreamed of doing in their career. Why so? 

this was the oppurtunity that Pathan should have taken up. Knowing well that they are chasing a tall score.........Pathan conveniently came when the hopes were all but gone..........why couldn't he open......................................when he has already played as a regular opener for the team earlier?.......Or is this Shane Warne's strategy?
Either way, things look as if RR tried to escape a direct confrontation with their probable final opponent.

[ruchir]

the point is.....S/R and the score is not so important.................more important is what you achieve out of your score ( in Pathan's case, defeat)............this is the yard-stick of champion players.

As I asked before, has SG or SRT or RD or VVSL scored 51 off 12 balls to win a game for their side? If not, then this particular comparison is a non-starter.

9.9 out of 10 times, the chasing side will lose if the situation is that they have to score 51 from 2 overs. Today was not to be that .1 exceptional day.

You are expecting from YP what none of the maharathi has even dreamed of doing in their career. Why so? 

this was the oppurtunity that Pathan should have taken up. Knowing well that they are chasing a tall score.........Pathan conveniently came when the hopes were all but gone..........why couldn't he open......................................when he has already played as a regular opener for the team earlier?.......Or is this Shane Warne's strategy?
Either way, things look as if RR tried to escape a direct confrontation with their probable final opponent.

this was the oppurtunity that Pathan should have taken up. -- FYI, he did!! Scored 39 from 15 balls!?

Pathan conveniently came when the hopes were all but gone..........why couldn't he open -- It was not his decision to come 3 down. It was his captain's decision.

when he has already played as a regular opener for the team earlier? -- Regular opener? He opened only 3 times in the 14 games he played, so how's he a regular opener?

Or is this Shane Warne's strategy? -- FYI, Shane Watson was the captain in this game, not Warne.

[LosingNow]

Not to sound rude this Rajasthan team to me looks like a fluke.  I cannot fathom a team like that to have so  many wins. 

Anyway two of wins against Deccan and Mumbai were the games they lost till the other team said wait a minute you can have it we do not want a win.

Constrast it with Punjab.  There appear so strong and talented.

Yusuf Pathan and Watson.  Please.  Give me something better.  Even for 20-20 it is a little far fetched.

B.T.W:-Does Modi have any interest and stake in the team.  Just curious.  Can someone shed some light into it.

Looks like Yusuf Pathan is a certainity to be selected in the 15 for the coming ODI series and deservedly so based on IPL.

What a difference 2 and half hours makes

[ramshorns]

Not to sound rude this Rajasthan team to me looks like a fluke.  I cannot fathom a team like that to have so  many wins. 

Anyway two of wins against Deccan and Mumbai were the games they lost till the other team said wait a minute you can have it we do not want a win.

Constrast it with Punjab.  There appear so strong and talented.

Yusuf Pathan and Watson.  Please.  Give me something better.  Even for 20-20 it is a little far fetched.

B.T.W:-Does Modi have any interest and stake in the team.  Just curious.  Can someone shed some light into it.

Looks like Yusuf Pathan is a certainity to be selected in the 15 for the coming ODI series and deservedly so based on IPL.

What a difference 2 and half hours makes

No not really.  He is good enough to be in the 15 for his overall effort, I will give him that even before this 39 in a lost cause. 

But if he and Watson are the faces of RR good luck if they match up on a consistent basis against talent like Yuvraj, Sangakarra and Jayawardane. To me that is a mismatch and that was my point. 

Hope it clarifies.

[teamindia]

Completely off-topic. But why there's no "Ignore" option for mods?

[kban1]

Completely off-topic. But why there's no "Ignore" option for mods?

So you are forced to read the 1000 lines I write -- 

No, seriously, it is so that mod communications (on the few occasions they are done with the user id's) are not filtered out

[poondu]

Completely off-topic. But why there's no "Ignore" option for mods?

I know the mod u are talking about..

[teamindia]

Completely off-topic. But why there's no "Ignore" option for mods?

So you are forced to read the 1000 lines I write -- 

No, seriously, it is so that mod communications (on the few occasions they are done with the user id's) are not filtered out

Understand. But shouldn't we have option to ignore them while they are posting as normal user and not as mods?

:-)

[gouravk]

bah ! ppl shud realize RR took this game lightly.

smith, asnodkar, jadeja, warne, tanvir all not playing.

[dhruvdeepak]

Pathan fails when the going got tough!
India's criketing future lies in the hands of these players!

.... he was chasing FIFTEEN per over. and not getting strike.

[gouravk]

blwe is in one of his fantasy trips. dont bother abt him

[keep-it-cool]

Pathan fails when the going got tough!
India's criketing future lies in the hands of these players!

r u watching... he didnt even got the the strike in the over bowled by VRV Singh

All that is part of the game........yes, I am watching........and I have no sympathy for losers.

how about the losers who ended up in the bottom 3 of the IPL table?