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IPL 2008 - Match 36: MI vs CSK - Match Thread.
« on: May 13, 2008, 02:30:28 AM »
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Tendulkar set to return against Chennai

Nagraj Gollapudi in Mumbai

May 12, 2008

 
 
He's back: Sachin Tendulkar returns to the Mumbai side after missing the first seven games because of injury © Getty Images
 
 
 

Sachin Tendulkar has confirmed he is fit and will lead the Mumbai Indians in their next game on Wednesday against the Chennai Super Kings. The news is a shot in the arm for Mumbai who played the first half of the Indian Premier League (IPL) in the absence of Tendulkar, forced to sit out due to groin injury.

But Tendulkar announced today that the rehabilitation process had been successful and there was no "discomfort" and that he would open Mumbai's innings along with Sanath Jayasuriya.
"I will be playing on May 14. It's looking very good and I'm feeling very positive," Tendulkar said after a two-hour long batting session at the Wankhede Stadium. He said it was really "tough" for him to sit out but acknowledged the support of the fitness staff who had "really worked hard, especially the physio and the masseur".

Tendulkar first picked up the injury during the CB Series in Australia and it got worse after the first Test against South Africa in Chennai, forcing him to miss the final two matches of the series. He was unable to recover for the start of the IPL, missing Mumbai's first seven games.

Though Mumbai lost their first four games, Tendulkar was careful not to return before he was completely fit. "It was disappointing to miss the two Tests against South African and then seven IPL games. But during the first half of the rehabilitation I had to completely rest and followed it by strengthening of the muscles and working out a bit. With the help of the fitness staff all the things went fine and I'm feeling strong now and there is no discomfort."

In his absence Harbhajan Singh led Mumbai for the first three games and after he was banned for an on-field row with Sreesanth, Shaun Pollock came in as the stand-in captain. Asked if it would be difficult for the side to have another new captain especially when Pollock was proving to be successful, Tendulkar said the players had supported each other through it all and they understood each other well.

"I will be the captain. Shaun was a makeshift captain and he did a terrific job and the other senior players have also contributed well. It's not about who the captain is but it's about helping each other and that's what Mumbai Indians have been doing and will continue to do."

Despite his minimal exposure to the Twenty20 format - he has played only five games so far - Tendulkar was looking ahead to the challenge ahead. "I always try hard and I've always given my best." Mumbai are currently placed sixth in the points table, just above the Deccan Chargers and the Bangalore Royal Challengers.

Nagraj Gollapudi is an assistant editor at Cricinfo

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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 36: MI vs CSK - Match Thread.
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2008, 04:39:53 AM »
damnit i would have left pollock as captain.
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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 36: MI vs CSK - Match Thread.
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2008, 05:21:06 AM »
haha .. tendulkar the captain might just balance out tendulkar the batsman ... that said just as i maintain that VVS should captain Hyderabad, and Dravid should captain Bangalore, so also by right SRT should captain Mumbai !
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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 36: MI vs CSK - Match Thread.
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2008, 07:14:55 PM »
Sachin Tendulkar's IPL venture

An old hand in a new world

Dileep Premachandran

May 13, 2008

 
 
With innovation being the name of the Twenty20 game, Sachin Tendulkar is unlikely to come up short © AFP
 
 
 

For Sachin Tendulkar, this is 1989 all over again. Just as the old Iron Curtain was opened to let in the winds of change and an abominable wall came down, so a young boy started his journey to cricket's promised lands. At 35, after a career that has spanned 147 Tests and 417 one-day internationals, he stands poised on the threshold of a brave new world.

Tendulkar's Twenty20 passport has just the one stamp on it, from the Wanderers in Johannesburg 18 months ago. That game was succour to the Indians after they were humiliated in the ODIs but, on a night when bowlers were heroes, Tendulkar's contribution was negligible; he managed double-digits before a delivery from Charl Langeveldt was chopped on to the stumps.

Now another set of Indians, those from Mumbai who have invested in him to the tune of more than $1million a season, eagerly await his IPL bow. Half the season passed while he recuperated from a groin injury, and the Indians' fortunes have waned and then waxed. After the embarrassment caused by Harbhajan Singh, Slapgate, and four defeats on the trot, a team, led from the front by Shaun Pollock, has reeled off three consecutive victories against sides expected to make the semi-final cut.

Two home games follow and, with Tendulkar back, the buzz on the streets is of a determined push for fourth place and maybe beyond. Even before he has struck a ball in anger, the burden of expectation is squarely on his shoulders and those that have venerated him as India's Atlas won't want him to buckle now.

Twenty20 though is a very different game. Sourav Ganguly has shown signs of getting to grips with it, but other titans of the one-day game, like Ricky Ponting and Herschelle Gibbs, have struggled to impose themselves in the frenetic atmosphere. Two of Tendulkar's old sparring partners have been outstanding though, and those in blue shirts with the number 10 on their backs will hope that he follows their lead.

Glenn McGrath has continued to make grinning faces at Father Time, even as the Delhi Daredevils have lost their way in recent days. Eight games in, he sits atop the best economy-rate list, and has seven wickets for good measure. His old mate, Shane Warne, has done even better, taking 11 wickets and bamboozling the likes of Mahendra Singh Dhoni while leading the Rajasthan Royals, the rank outsiders, to the brink of a semi-final.

Everyone has been harping about Twenty20 being a batsman's game, and men like Gautam Gambhir and Shaun Marsh certainly won't argue with that. In a sense though, the bowlers' job is less taxing. While taking wickets remains important, the main objective is to keep the runs down and pressure batsmen into mistakes. Miserly overs, or maidens like McGrath managed in his first outing, are pure gold.

A new breed of batsman has flourished. And while not all of them are crude sluggers, they've managed to clear the mini-skirt-like boundaries with ridiculous ease. Those who operate within a more classical framework, like Rahul Dravid and Jacques Kallis, have struggled. Not only have they struggled to go over the top, but even the helter-skelter singles and twos have proved beyond them.

With fielding sides studying batsmen's weaknesses ever more closely, innovation has become the name of the game. In that regard, Tendulkar is unlikely to come up short. Right from the time that he revolutionised top-order batting in ODIs - few teams had ever sent their best man in first before Tendulkar's little dash at Eden Park in 1994 - he has added strokes to his repertoire, remaining a step ahead of bowlers that sought to contain him.     
 

He plays the paddle-sweep, to pace and spin alike, perhaps better than anyone has done, and Brett Lee could tell you about the bunt over the slips that tormented him in Australia earlier this season. The inside-out shot over cover is also frequently unveiled, but it's the neat tuck off the pads and the gorgeous straight drive that have been the defining strokes of an unparalleled one-day caree 

 


   

 


He plays the paddle-sweep, to pace and spin alike, perhaps better than anyone has done, and Brett Lee could tell you about the bunt over the slips that tormented him in Australia earlier this season. The inside-out shot over cover is also frequently unveiled, but it's the neat tuck off the pads and the gorgeous straight drive that have been the defining strokes of an unparalleled one-day career.

The skills are not in doubt, but his performances as the tournament nears its business end will come in for minute scrutiny. Warne can concede 27 in an over, and put it behind him in time for the next game. A Tendulkar nought is quite different. The Indian media may be gentle when it comes to analysing Adam Gilchrist's stop-start season, but Tendulkar will expect no such leeway.

A couple of low scores and TV channels will wheel out the same hackneyed question: Is Tendulkar finished? If he does score, but gets out a few balls before victory is clinched, the debates will centre around how he's no finisher. In many ways, it's a lose-lose situation, but the man who has been a winner for 18 years will surely find his way.

Dileep Premachandran is an associate editor at Cricinfo

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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 36: MI vs CSK - Match Thread.
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2008, 07:19:51 PM »
Mumbai bolstered by Tendulkar's presence

Nagraj Gollapudi
May 12, 2008


Match facts

Wednesday, May 14, 2008
Start time 20.00 (local), 14.30 (GMT)

 
Will Mumbai's winning streak continue now that Sachin Tendulkar joins the squad? (file photo) © Getty Images
 
The Big Picture

The last time the two sides met the Mumbai Indians lost by a margin of six runs in one of the more gripping encounters of the IPL. Back then the Chennai Super Kings were sitting pretty at the top of the table while Mumbai, minus Sachin Tendulkar, were trying to work out a winning combination.

Things have changed for both sides since then: after four losses, a resurgent Mumbai clinched three straight victories and now Tendulkar is back in the fold. Chennai slipped to third place on the points table behind the Rajasthan Royals and the Delhi Daredevils.

One of the vital aspects of Mumbai's wins, acknowledged by Tendulkar as well, has been the success of their new-ball pair of Shaun Pollock and Ashish Nehra, who have consistently troubled the opposition top order with their accuracy, variation and tireless efforts to keep the batsmen in check. They reduced Rajasthan to 21 for 2 in three overs and had Delhi reeling at 12 for 2 in the second over. Pollock also dismissed the Kolkata Knight Riders' openers in the first over.

The inconsistency of his openers therefore will worry Mahendra Singh Dhoni, the Chennai captain. But in the IPL, as he did in the CB Series, Dhoni has led by example, allowing each man to fend for himself. The result was Chennai, who had slipped off the radar mid-way with three successive losses, have now regained the momentum with close wins in the last two games.

Despite having two extra games in hand, Mumbai need at least five victories from their remaining seven games to earn a semi-final berth while Chennai need two wins from five games to qualify. Both sides have the momentum so it will be a case of who blinks first.

Tournament position

Mumbai Indians: P7, W3, L4, NRR -0.455 Chennai Super Kings: P9, W6, L3, NRR +0.104
IPL form (last five matches, most recent first)

Mumbai Indians: WWWLL
Chennai Super Kings: WWLLL

Watch out for ...

The raucous applause when Tendulkar will walk in for the umpteenth time into the Wankhede.

The flurry of big hits from Sanath Jayasuriya, Tendulkar and Robin Uthappa if the Mumbai top order gets going against the below-par Chennai bowling.

Murali has finally come into his own after a slow start and it will be interesting to see how Mumbai's strong batting line-up counters his guile.

It will also be interesting to see how Tendulkar utilises his bowlers to tackle the hard-hitting Dhoni who has proved to be Chennai's pivotal batsman.

Expect a ball or two to fly out of the ground if Albie Morkel clicks.


Team news
 
Despite having a six-day break between games Mumbai began practising on Sunday, focusing on specific strategies like hitting the ball straighter. By maintaining an unchanged line-up through the last few games they have allowed players to grow in confidence. The only change will be Tendulkar ahead of the Saurabh Tiwary.

Mumbai Indians (probable): 1 Sachin Tendulkar (capt), 2 Sanath Jayasuriya, 3 Robin Uthappa, 4 Dominic Thornley, 5 Dwayne Bravo, 6 Shaun Pollock, 7 Abhishek Nayar, 8 Yogesh Takawale, 9 Dhawal Kulkarni, 10 Rohan Raje, 11 Ashish Nehra.

Chennai have stuck to the same XI in their last two matches and are likely to continue with the same.

Chennai Super Kings (probable); 1 Mahendra Singh Dhoni (capt), 2 Stephen Fleming, 3 S Vidyut, 4 Suresh Raina 5 S Badrinath, 6 Albie Morkel, 7 Chamara Kapugedera, 8 Muttiah Muralitharan, 9 Manpreet Gony, 10 P Amarnath, 11 L Balaji.


Stats and trivia

Chennai have made good use of the Powerplay overs in their matches, maintaining a run-rate of 7.47, while Mumbai have managed only 6.83 per over, the lowest among all the teams in the tournament.

Chennai are also the best team when it comes to the last five overs - they score at 11.30 per over.

When Mahendra Singh Dhoni and S Badrinath added 91 for the fourth wicket against Kings XI Punjab, it was Chennai's best partnership after Matthew Hayden and Michael Hussey departed.


Quotes

"Dhoni is not the only worry. Badrinath has also scored consistently. Even Morkel hits it big lower down the order."
Sachin Tendulkar lines out the dangers Mumbai need to ward off against Chennai tomorrow.

"Captaincy in Twenty20 cricket is challenging. Tendulkar is a very experienced player so even if he hasn't played a lot of Twenty20 cricket adapting shouldn't be a problem for him."
Kepler Wessels, the Chennai Super Kings coach, on Tendulkar standing in as captain for the first time in Twenty20 cricket.


Nagraj Gollapudi is an assistant editor at Cricinfo
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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 36: MI vs CSK - Match Thread.
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2008, 08:51:30 PM »
http://www.hindu.com/2008/05/13/stories/2008051354501800.htm

Youngsters stand to gain immensely: Srinivasan

Chennai: N. Srinivasan is delighted with the success of the Indian Premier League (IPL).

The BCCI treasurer, TNCA president and vice-chairman and managing director of the India Cements Ltd. believes the Twenty20 competition has brought in a new audience to the game.

“Entire families are coming to watch the game. The stadiums are packed. I can tell you about the M.A. Chidambaram Stadium. You have seen the crowds. The tickets are flying. The people of Chennai have adopted the Chennai Super Kings. It is an entertainment package for the family, said Mr. Srinivasan.

He said the IPL matches have been attracting world-wide interest. “People in countries like the United States and Australia are staying awake late to watch the games. I have received so many messages from people who have been following the IPL in those countries.”

Dramatic comeback


Mr. Srinivasan said the success of the Super Kings so far and the dramatic comeback of L. Balaji have captured the imagination of the people.

“The team has done very well and Balaji’s return has been sensational. I have watched him from close and I can tell you that his comeback is among the great cricketing stories. The amount of work he has put in is extraordinary. The poor lad had nothing to look forward to but continued training with the others.”

Turning his attention to Kapil Dev’s criticism of the IPL, he replied, “These remarks, coming from a man who is deeply involved with the ICL, are shocking. The ICL gets film stars and cheerleaders to all its games. Kapil is talking as if he is not connected at all with the ICL. It is a clear case of sour grapes. The BCCI is in good health and it knows what it is doing. Kapil should look at the ICL instead.”

“The IPL is essentially a cricketing venture and not a business endeavour alone. It is the quality of cricket that is drawing in the crowds. We have seen some extremely competitive matches and close finishes. The standard of cricket has been excellent,” said Mr. Srinivasan.

He said the youngsters stood to gain immensely from the IPL. “Every squad has four under-22 cricketers and four players from the catchment areas. The catchment areas for the Super Kings are Tamil Nadu. Kerala and the Railways.

The youngsters are receiving a chance to play with some of the finest cricketers in the world. It is an on-the-job training for them. The quality of cricket is bound to improve in the country. And I see nothing wrong if we produce cricketers like Virender Sehwag and M.S. Dhoni. What’s wrong with them? They are match-winners.”

Mr. Srinivasan signed off by saying, “The IPL is a whopping success and people should acknowledge it.”
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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 36: MI vs CSK - Match Thread.
« Reply #6 on: May 14, 2008, 04:41:09 AM »
when do the WI players go back? is Bravo available for this match?
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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 36: MI vs CSK - Match Thread.
« Reply #7 on: May 14, 2008, 04:48:22 AM »
I think they have to be back by the 15th.
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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 36: MI vs CSK - Match Thread.
« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2008, 06:05:41 AM »
when do the WI players go back? is Bravo available for this match?


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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 36: MI vs CSK - Match Thread.
« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2008, 06:46:07 AM »
Balaji's performance has been a revelation... coming back after two years ...and from what was termed as a career threatening injury...  :notworthy:

It is time for Sreesanth to pull up his socks...  1)to cover his trembling feet  and 2) to retain his place in the Indian team ...

From MSD's write-up , he seems fairly impressed with Badri and Balaji... let's wait and watch... post slapgate, SS may not be a very welcome sight for many in the dressing room...HS's behaviour notwithstanding

Imagine a bowling line up of Ishanth, Balaji and ZK with bench strength of RPS, Irfan and SS...we ne'er had it this good... wish we had a series Down under or RSA in the near future ... lip smacking cricket  ::cheers::
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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 36: MI vs CSK - Match Thread.
« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2008, 06:48:56 AM »
More likely it is RP Singh who has to watch out. Since SS also seems to be picking up wickets.
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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 36: MI vs CSK - Match Thread.
« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2008, 06:53:57 AM »
SS is the IPL's top wicket taker.
balaji is still not "back". i dont see him doing well in 50 over cricket let alone Tests.
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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 36: MI vs CSK - Match Thread.
« Reply #12 on: May 14, 2008, 01:01:18 PM »
I am cheering for Mumbai in this one.
Couple of wins for Mumbai and the Semis spot open up.
SRT has generally been in fabulous form after he returns from long breaks. Let us see if he keeps this consistent.
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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 36: MI vs CSK - Match Thread.
« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2008, 02:18:39 PM »
Balaji's performance has been a revelation... coming back after two years ...and from what was termed as a career threatening injury...  :notworthy:

It is time for Sreesanth to pull up his socks...  1)to cover his trembling feet  and 2) to retain his place in the Indian team ...

From MSD's write-up , he seems fairly impressed with Badri and Balaji... let's wait and watch... post slapgate, SS may not be a very welcome sight for many in the dressing room...HS's behaviour notwithstanding

Imagine a bowling line up of Ishanth, Balaji and ZK with bench strength of RPS, Irfan and SS...we ne'er had it this good... wish we had a series Down under or RSA in the near future ... lip smacking cricket  ::cheers::
Add Munaf, Nehra, Dinda, Gony to this lineup !!
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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 36: MI vs CSK - Match Thread.
« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2008, 02:18:55 PM »
SRT wins toss ..bowling
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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 36: MI vs CSK - Match Thread.
« Reply #15 on: May 14, 2008, 03:31:39 PM »
MSD's new hair cut is strange. He has hairs going down in his collar in the shape of a funnel, or like the handle of a frying pan. To me it looks very strange and ugly, but maybe that's the new craze!?
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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 36: MI vs CSK - Match Thread.
« Reply #16 on: May 14, 2008, 03:52:45 PM »
I still cannot fathom how the following represented the country in some form of the game or the other ahead of Badri.  This guy would have been a real deal by now.

Dhoni
Kaif -- Included to show he played more than 120 ODI's to 0 by Badri.
Uttappa
Raina
Rohit Sharma
Gambhir
Venu
Joginder
VRV

And you can add pretty much any one to the list that debuted around or after 2005 to the list. 

How is that possible?
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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 36: MI vs CSK - Match Thread.
« Reply #17 on: May 14, 2008, 03:53:27 PM »
Balaji's performance has been a revelation... coming back after two years ...and from what was termed as a career threatening injury...  :notworthy:

It is time for Sreesanth to pull up his socks...  1)to cover his trembling feet  and 2) to retain his place in the Indian team ...

From MSD's write-up , he seems fairly impressed with Badri and Balaji... let's wait and watch... post slapgate, SS may not be a very welcome sight for many in the dressing room...HS's behaviour notwithstanding

Imagine a bowling line up of Ishanth, Balaji and ZK with bench strength of RPS, Irfan and SS...we ne'er had it this good... wish we had a series Down under or RSA in the near future ... lip smacking cricket  ::cheers::
Add Munaf, Nehra, Dinda, Gony to this lineup !!

yes, good attack as far as 20/20s go...but still a couple thousand miles before it becomes the fearsome four of the windies!
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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 36: MI vs CSK - Match Thread.
« Reply #18 on: May 14, 2008, 04:01:21 PM »
I still cannot fathom how the following represented the country in some form of the game or the other ahead of Badri.  This guy would have been a real deal by now.

Dhoni
Kaif -- Included to show he played more than 120 ODI's to 0 by Badri.
Uttappa
Raina
Rohit Sharma
Gambhir
Venu
Joginder
VRV

And you can add pretty much any one to the list that debuted around or after 2005 to the list. 

How is that possible?

Batsmen                 Mat Runs Ave   
 S Badrinath (rhb)        15 308 51.33   
 MS Dhoni (rhb) 24 615 38.43
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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 36: MI vs CSK - Match Thread.
« Reply #19 on: May 14, 2008, 04:03:00 PM »
I still cannot fathom how the following represented the country in some form of the game or the other ahead of Badri.  This guy would have been a real deal by now.

Dhoni
Kaif -- Included to show he played more than 120 ODI's to 0 by Badri.
Uttappa
Raina
Rohit Sharma
Gambhir
Venu
Joginder
VRV

And you can add pretty much any one to the list that debuted around or after 2005 to the list. 

How is that possible?

Batsmen                 Mat Runs Ave   
 S Badrinath (rhb)        15 308 51.33   
 MS Dhoni (rhb) 24 615 38.43


why is the indian keeper being compared to a specialist batsman?  ???
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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 36: MI vs CSK - Match Thread.
« Reply #20 on: May 14, 2008, 04:05:52 PM »
I still cannot fathom how the following represented the country in some form of the game or the other ahead of Badri.  This guy would have been a real deal by now.

Dhoni
Kaif -- Included to show he played more than 120 ODI's to 0 by Badri.
Uttappa
Raina
Rohit Sharma
Gambhir
Venu
Joginder
VRV

And you can add pretty much any one to the list that debuted around or after 2005 to the list. 

How is that possible?

Batsmen                 Mat Runs Ave   
 S Badrinath (rhb)        15 308 51.33   
 MS Dhoni (rhb) 24 615 38.43


why is the indian keeper being compared to a specialist batsman?  ???
Dhoni as benchmark - no hidden agenda here.
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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 36: MI vs CSK - Match Thread.
« Reply #21 on: May 14, 2008, 04:06:12 PM »
what bowling!

SM Pollock    4    1    9    1    2.25
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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 36: MI vs CSK - Match Thread.
« Reply #22 on: May 14, 2008, 04:06:31 PM »
I still cannot fathom how the following represented the country in some form of the game or the other ahead of Badri.  This guy would have been a real deal by now.

Dhoni
Kaif -- Included to show he played more than 120 ODI's to 0 by Badri.
Uttappa
Raina
Rohit Sharma
Gambhir
Venu
Joginder
VRV

And you can add pretty much any one to the list that debuted around or after 2005 to the list. 

How is that possible?

Batsmen                 Mat Runs Ave   
 S Badrinath (rhb)        15 308 51.33   
 MS Dhoni (rhb) 24 615 38.43


why is the indian keeper being compared to a specialist batsman?  ???
Because IMO he should have been tried ahead of all these guys when the opportunities presented.  Not comparing positions here.
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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 36: MI vs CSK - Match Thread.
« Reply #23 on: May 14, 2008, 04:08:00 PM »
I still cannot fathom how the following represented the country in some form of the game or the other ahead of Badri.  This guy would have been a real deal by now.

Dhoni
Kaif -- Included to show he played more than 120 ODI's to 0 by Badri.
Uttappa
Raina
Rohit Sharma
Gambhir
Venu
Joginder
VRV

And you can add pretty much any one to the list that debuted around or after 2005 to the list. 

How is that possible?

Batsmen                 Mat Runs Ave   
 S Badrinath (rhb)        15 308 51.33   
 MS Dhoni (rhb) 24 615 38.43


why is the indian keeper being compared to a specialist batsman?  ???
Dhoni as benchmark - no hidden agenda here.
What the hell is your problem.  Either make a point or keep quiet.
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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 36: MI vs CSK - Match Thread.
« Reply #24 on: May 14, 2008, 04:09:47 PM »
I still cannot fathom how the following represented the country in some form of the game or the other ahead of Badri.  This guy would have been a real deal by now.

Dhoni
Kaif -- Included to show he played more than 120 ODI's to 0 by Badri.
Uttappa
Raina
Rohit Sharma
Gambhir
Venu
Joginder
VRV

And you can add pretty much any one to the list that debuted around or after 2005 to the list. 

How is that possible?

Batsmen                 Mat Runs Ave   
 S Badrinath (rhb)        15 308 51.33   
 MS Dhoni (rhb) 24 615 38.43


why is the indian keeper being compared to a specialist batsman?  ???
Because IMO he should have been tried ahead of all these guys when the opportunities presented.  Not comparing positions here.

well, your opinion is simply wrong in this matter unless badrinath was going to keep wickets "ahead of dhoni"
while badrinath is obv. talented, there's no need to tear down other players to prop him up. dhoni came into the team on the back of some splendid performances and was still being denied a chance as kkd was the favored player.
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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 36: MI vs CSK - Match Thread.
« Reply #25 on: May 14, 2008, 04:11:55 PM »
I still cannot fathom how the following represented the country in some form of the game or the other ahead of Badri.  This guy would have been a real deal by now.

Dhoni
Kaif -- Included to show he played more than 120 ODI's to 0 by Badri.
Uttappa
Raina
Rohit Sharma
Gambhir
Venu
Joginder
VRV

And you can add pretty much any one to the list that debuted around or after 2005 to the list. 

How is that possible?

Batsmen                 Mat Runs Ave   
 S Badrinath (rhb)        15 308 51.33   
 MS Dhoni (rhb) 24 615 38.43


why is the indian keeper being compared to a specialist batsman?  ???
Because IMO he should have been tried ahead of all these guys when the opportunities presented.  Not comparing positions here.

well, your opinion is simply wrong in this matter unless badrinath was going to keep wickets "ahead of dhoni"
while badrinath is obv. talented, there's no need to tear down other players to prop him up. dhoni came into the team on the back of some splendid performances and was still being denied a chance as kkd was the favored player.
better than your opinion one would think.  make your points straight than these your opinion is wrong stuff.   OK.......
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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 36: MI vs CSK - Match Thread.
« Reply #26 on: May 14, 2008, 04:14:04 PM »
I still cannot fathom how the following represented the country in some form of the game or the other ahead of Badri.  This guy would have been a real deal by now.

Dhoni
Kaif -- Included to show he played more than 120 ODI's to 0 by Badri.
Uttappa
Raina
Rohit Sharma
Gambhir
Venu
Joginder
VRV

And you can add pretty much any one to the list that debuted around or after 2005 to the list. 

How is that possible?

Batsmen                 Mat Runs Ave   
 S Badrinath (rhb)        15 308 51.33   
 MS Dhoni (rhb) 24 615 38.43


why is the indian keeper being compared to a specialist batsman?  ???
Because IMO he should have been tried ahead of all these guys when the opportunities presented.  Not comparing positions here.

well, your opinion is simply wrong in this matter unless badrinath was going to keep wickets "ahead of dhoni"
while badrinath is obv. talented, there's no need to tear down other players to prop him up. dhoni came into the team on the back of some splendid performances and was still being denied a chance as kkd was the favored player.
better than your opinion one would think.  make your points straight than these your opinion is wrong stuff.   OK.......

well, it is. to claim that dhoni was any less deserving of an indian place than badri was is absurd and to pass it off as fact is just plain wrong.
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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 36: MI vs CSK - Match Thread.
« Reply #27 on: May 14, 2008, 04:42:35 PM »
CSK getting cooked!  :icon_thumleft:  :icon_thumleft:  :icon_thumleft:
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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 36: MI vs CSK - Match Thread.
« Reply #28 on: May 14, 2008, 04:44:16 PM »
CSK getting cooked!  :icon_thumleft:  :icon_thumleft:  :icon_thumleft:

yes...sachin/jaya...what an awesome combo!

would've loved to see gayle and mcculum as well
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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 36: MI vs CSK - Match Thread.
« Reply #29 on: May 14, 2008, 04:47:21 PM »
I still cannot fathom how the following represented the country in some form of the game or the other ahead of Badri.  This guy would have been a real deal by now.

Dhoni  --- WK's spot. Did enough as batsman in ODI to stick around there.
Kaif -- Included to show he played more than 120 ODI's to 0 by Badri. .... Much before Badri emerged no?
Uttappa   ---- Came in as opener
Raina  --- Supposed to play the (ODI defn) all rounder role. I think he could be decent if given more chances. (also helped by  someone)
Rohit Sharma  ---- Class act
Gambhir ----- Came in as opener
Venu  ---- (Someone's ego)
Joginder  -----  (I Know too little about this guy)
VRV  ----- Supposed to be fast (I would agree in saying so what but you know the answer ... someone's ego)

And you can add pretty much any one to the list that debuted around or after 2005 to the list. 

How is that possible?

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I think there is another reason. Unfortunately (even though this has some decent meaning for batsmen), people are often grafted into the ODI team first and then having shown their skills there, are taken into the test team. This was a distinct problem for Badri, as a lot of people believed that he was a test player. So he never got the ODI break, which stopped the test break too.  I believe he started changing his style a year or two ago, and while I have not watched him, I follow his scores and they have been fairly impressive. And I have believed he can lend some stability (which I believe it still lacks, our Aus vctory notwithstanding) to our ODI team too. I think one very good thing that IPL has done, is show that he can play the attacking role too. I suppose no one would doubt that anymore.
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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 36: MI vs CSK - Match Thread.
« Reply #30 on: May 14, 2008, 04:55:05 PM »
7 sixes from SJ by 6th over .
SRT is the morale booster  ;D
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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 36: MI vs CSK - Match Thread.
« Reply #31 on: May 14, 2008, 04:56:33 PM »
He is finishing everything off! If he survives, he may well pick up a 100.
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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 36: MI vs CSK - Match Thread.
« Reply #32 on: May 14, 2008, 04:57:01 PM »
7 sixes from SJ by 6th over .
SRT is the morale booster  ;D

suddenly mumbai indians look like semi-final contenders...
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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 36: MI vs CSK - Match Thread.
« Reply #33 on: May 14, 2008, 04:58:16 PM »
Ranjot Fernando credits SRT for Jayasuriya's success!  ???  ???
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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 36: MI vs CSK - Match Thread.
« Reply #34 on: May 14, 2008, 05:02:45 PM »
Is Balaji bowling a Ganguly-esque pace?
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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 36: MI vs CSK - Match Thread.
« Reply #35 on: May 14, 2008, 05:03:43 PM »
Beginning of the end.
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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 36: MI vs CSK - Match Thread.
« Reply #36 on: May 14, 2008, 05:04:57 PM »
pathetic captaincy by dhoni. Always he gives the first 6 overs to Gony and Morkel irrespective of the match situation. He should have brought in Murali or Balaji earlier today.
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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 36: MI vs CSK - Match Thread.
« Reply #37 on: May 14, 2008, 05:05:33 PM »
SRT gone after a dravidian inning.
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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 36: MI vs CSK - Match Thread.
« Reply #38 on: May 14, 2008, 05:05:40 PM »
Jogi takes out SRT... WHAT IS GOING ON!!!!!!

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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 36: MI vs CSK - Match Thread.
« Reply #39 on: May 14, 2008, 05:10:17 PM »
I still cannot fathom how the following represented the country in some form of the game or the other ahead of Badri.  This guy would have been a real deal by now.

Dhoni
Kaif -- Included to show he played more than 120 ODI's to 0 by Badri.
Uttappa
Raina
Rohit Sharma
Gambhir
Venu
Joginder
VRV

And you can add pretty much any one to the list that debuted around or after 2005 to the list. 

How is that possible?

Batsmen                 Mat Runs Ave   
 S Badrinath (rhb)        15 308 51.33   
 MS Dhoni (rhb) 24 615 38.43


why is the indian keeper being compared to a specialist batsman?  ???
Dhoni as benchmark - no hidden agenda here.
What the hell is your problem.  Either make a point or get the f...off.
What's the reason for this kind of language?   Somehow my post got posted when I hit some arrow key.  Dhoni is a player who can get in the team now even with his batting.  It's a bonus that he is a wicket keeper as well as skipper now.  Badri's average seems to be quite higher there and he made runs briskly.  That is a very positive point.  He should get into team before Raina as far as I am concerned.
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