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[ramshorns]

Ha ha ..

This will be the match that should generate a lot of interest in the DG!!

Rivalries are good.. let's have a free for all. I am neutral on this game. Now that my DC are out.. thinking of going back to my roots and supporting RR for what is left of THIS season (even though it is cheating )

i noticed you've stopped your gilchrist lobby!

What AG lobby?
You mean captaincy.. yeah. He is still better choice than VVS.
After y'days game it is obvious the team is mentally not there.. no interest, no pride, going through motions. SAD to see professionals come down to this.

I beg to differ.  A sloppy effort on the field and an ordinary effort with the ball yesterday does not warrant that kind of a labelling.  They did well in the chase when Venu orchestrated a decent chase, hardly an indication of what you are describing.

I have watched almost all of Deccan's games and VVS and team lost not for lack of effort.  They were beaten by better teams to some extent and their their abroad siginings Gibbs, Stryis, Afridi and Vaas let them down big time was another reason for the debacle.

[poondu]

I think gambling on Chuckter is worth it. DD middle order is struggling, If he gets the openers KKR has a good chance.

[Cover Point]

Ha ha ..

This will be the match that should generate a lot of interest in the DG!!

Rivalries are good.. let's have a free for all. I am neutral on this game. Now that my DC are out.. thinking of going back to my roots and supporting RR for what is left of THIS season (even though it is cheating )

i noticed you've stopped your gilchrist lobby!

What AG lobby?
You mean captaincy.. yeah. He is still better choice than VVS.
After y'days game it is obvious the team is mentally not there.. no interest, no pride, going through motions. SAD to see professionals come down to this.

I beg to differ.  A sloppy effort on the field and an ordinary effort with the ball yesterday does not warrant that kind of a labelling.  They did well in the chase when Venu orchestrated a decent chase, hardly an indication of what you are describing.

I have watched almost all of Deccan's games and VVS and team lost not for lack of effort.  They were beaten by better teams to some extent and their their abroad siginings Gibbs, Stryis, Afridi and Vaas let them down big time was another reason for the debacle.

But Ramji bhai ... it is hard to prove that other teams are better teams. I think the talent on paper for Hyderabad looks the best of the lot. Symonds, Afridi, Gilly, Gibbs/Vaas cant be beat. Add Rohit Sharma and you should have a champion team. As they said it is the lack of local talent or relevant icon that is hurting them. Delhi for example has benefited from Sehwag and  Gambhir mostly and then from contributions from Sangwan and Dhawan. Now they also suffer due to lack of good middle order talent (likes of Malik, AB or Indian Manoj Tiwari not pulling their weights.

I wonder how much Ambati Rayudu could have changed the fortunes ...

But they have failed to gel as a team and that has to go to the team leadership.... no?

[poondu]

Poor Manoj Tiwary got stuck with the wrong team. He is not getting too many chances.

Player     Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s
MK Tiwary   5   3   2   55  39 55.00 45 122.22 0 0 0 8 0

Delhi can bench DK , AB can keep and MT can get in.

[dave_dj]

Poor Manoj Tiwary got stuck with the wrong team. He is not getting too many chances.

Player     Mat Inns NO Runs HS Ave BF SR 100 50 0 4s 6s
MK Tiwary   5   3   2   55  39 55.00 45 122.22 0 0 0 8 0

Delhi can bench DK , AB can keep and MT can get in.

I don't know why KKR did not keep Manoj- it would have been solid with him.

[Libran]

KKR should play all 3 match winners - AA, Chucktar and Kartik 

Karthik bowled well y'day...had RS in a spot of bother...unfortunately, VR got stuck into him...happens some time ..in 20-20 happens all the time

AA is good when is on the bench... teams win...remember our 20-20 WC 

Akhtar is a gamble...

i still fail to see why a guy with his record, in spite of whatever problems he's had, is considered a "gamble"...the guy is a high quality fast bowler!

One shudders to recall the WC 2003 match that pakistan played against us...one of that opening pair is in the opposition tonight..... Akhtar can be taken for runs...he can be very good on some days and erratic on some... hence the gamble

[Libran]

Ha ha ..

This will be the match that should generate a lot of interest in the DG!!

Rivalries are good.. let's have a free for all. I am neutral on this game. Now that my DC are out.. thinking of going back to my roots and supporting RR for what is left of THIS season (even though it is cheating )

there are more Marwaris in Kolkata and Mumbai

[LosingNow]

Ha ha ..

This will be the match that should generate a lot of interest in the DG!!

Rivalries are good.. let's have a free for all. I am neutral on this game. Now that my DC are out.. thinking of going back to my roots and supporting RR for what is left of THIS season (even though it is cheating )

there are more Marwaris in Kolkata and Mumbai

..and I am told even in Chennai

[LosingNow]

Delhi look a vulnerable unit now
 
By Ravi Shastri

The plot is unravelling quickly for Delhi Daredevils. They were off the blocks in a rush but now have lost their way. Four wins and as many defeats perhaps convey the balance is not quite right. They did try to correct it against Rajasthan Royals by bringing in a specialist spinner in Amit Mishra and two all-rounders capable of bowling more than a couple of good overs or striking a few massive blows. Yet, it still didn’t work.

I must admit though Delhi were unlucky to come up against Shane Watson in such rampaging form. Watson was unstoppable and clearly is a man who can win a match of his own. Still, AB de Villiers and Dinesh Karthik in the middle are not pulling their weight for Delhi. Despite a good start, Delhi are choking in the middle overs.

The trouble is, even a good start might not be so easy against Kolkata’s Knight Riders. Ishant Sharma, Ashok Dinda, Umar Gul are tough to get away. Shoaib Akhtar and Ajit Agarkar are in the wings. It makes Delhi vulnerable, more so if batting first.

Delhi’s bowling has a might of its own but the lesser locals can be carted around with impunity. Despite the failure against Rajasthan Royal, I still feel Delhi had put their best team in the park. The trouble is they were possibly up against the best side in the competition. Rajasthan Royals are most dangerous when chasing a target. It’s instructive that their two defeats in this tournament have come about batting first. In many ways, the match between Delhi and Kolkata on Tuesday could be a clincher for the fourth semi-finalists’ spot though there still are a lot of games to go.

[dave_dj]

Ha ha ..

This will be the match that should generate a lot of interest in the DG!!

Rivalries are good.. let's have a free for all. I am neutral on this game. Now that my DC are out.. thinking of going back to my roots and supporting RR for what is left of THIS season (even though it is cheating )

there are more Marwaris in Kolkata and Mumbai

..and I am told even in Chennai

But Kokata is Rajasthan's largest city.

[LosingNow]

Ha ha ..

This will be the match that should generate a lot of interest in the DG!!

Rivalries are good.. let's have a free for all. I am neutral on this game. Now that my DC are out.. thinking of going back to my roots and supporting RR for what is left of THIS season (even though it is cheating )

there are more Marwaris in Kolkata and Mumbai

..and I am told even in Chennai

But Kokata is Rajasthan's largest city.

So true.. must say, the Kolkata Marwaris are a breed apart!

[kban1]

Ha ha ..

This will be the match that should generate a lot of interest in the DG!!

Rivalries are good.. let's have a free for all. I am neutral on this game. Now that my DC are out.. thinking of going back to my roots and supporting RR for what is left of THIS season (even though it is cheating )

there are more Marwaris in Kolkata and Mumbai

..and I am told even in Chennai

But Kokata is Rajasthan's largest city.

So true.. must say, the Kolkata Marwaris are a breed apart!

How so ?

Honest question (since most of my Marwari friends or acquaintances were from Kolkata, I dont have a way to judge or know)

[Blwe_torch]

One of the Kolkata Marwari happens to be one of the richest man in the world.....................not to mention a few more.

[LosingNow]

Ha ha ..

This will be the match that should generate a lot of interest in the DG!!

Rivalries are good.. let's have a free for all. I am neutral on this game. Now that my DC are out.. thinking of going back to my roots and supporting RR for what is left of THIS season (even though it is cheating )

there are more Marwaris in Kolkata and Mumbai

..and I am told even in Chennai

But Kokata is Rajasthan's largest city.

So true.. must say, the Kolkata Marwaris are a breed apart!

How so ?

Honest question (since most of my Marwari friends or acquaintances were from Kolkata, I dont have a way to judge or know)

IMO.. they are much more show-offish (and engaged in one upmanship) than the rest of us

[Libran]

Ha ha ..

This will be the match that should generate a lot of interest in the DG!!

Rivalries are good.. let's have a free for all. I am neutral on this game. Now that my DC are out.. thinking of going back to my roots and supporting RR for what is left of THIS season (even though it is cheating )

there are more Marwaris in Kolkata and Mumbai

..and I am told even in Chennai

But Kokata is Rajasthan's largest city.

So true.. must say, the Kolkata Marwaris are a breed apart!

How so ?

Honest question (since most of my Marwari friends or acquaintances were from Kolkata, I dont have a way to judge or know)

IMO.. they are much more show-offish (and engaged in one upmanship) than the rest of us

I AGREE ... have seen some of them and they fit the bill exactly like what you have mentioned...not only that ...they tend to pull each other down.. a Bajoria talking lowly of a Khandelwal , for example ..but have also met some sober and level headed ones

[kban1]

Ha ha ..

This will be the match that should generate a lot of interest in the DG!!

Rivalries are good.. let's have a free for all. I am neutral on this game. Now that my DC are out.. thinking of going back to my roots and supporting RR for what is left of THIS season (even though it is cheating )

there are more Marwaris in Kolkata and Mumbai

..and I am told even in Chennai

But Kokata is Rajasthan's largest city.

So true.. must say, the Kolkata Marwaris are a breed apart!

How so ?

Honest question (since most of my Marwari friends or acquaintances were from Kolkata, I dont have a way to judge or know)

IMO.. they are much more show-offish (and engaged in one upmanship) than the rest of us

I AGREE ... have seen some of them and they fit the bill exactly like what you have mentioned...not only that ...they tend to pull each other down.. a Bajoria talking lowly of a Khandelwal , for example ..but have also met some sober and level headed ones

much like Indians in a foreign land.

Extend that analogy then to a domestic landscape and does it not make intuitive sense that a community settled far away from its domestic land in another state amidst another community will display a certain level of abrasiveness not associated with their brethren in the homeland ?

[LosingNow]

Ha ha ..

This will be the match that should generate a lot of interest in the DG!!

Rivalries are good.. let's have a free for all. I am neutral on this game. Now that my DC are out.. thinking of going back to my roots and supporting RR for what is left of THIS season (even though it is cheating )

there are more Marwaris in Kolkata and Mumbai

..and I am told even in Chennai

But Kokata is Rajasthan's largest city.

So true.. must say, the Kolkata Marwaris are a breed apart!

How so ?

Honest question (since most of my Marwari friends or acquaintances were from Kolkata, I dont have a way to judge or know)

IMO.. they are much more show-offish (and engaged in one upmanship) than the rest of us

I AGREE ... have seen some of them and they fit the bill exactly like what you have mentioned...not only that ...they tend to pull each other down.. a Bajoria talking lowly of a Khandelwal , for example ..but have also met some sober and level headed ones

much like Indians in a foreign land.

Extend that analogy then to a domestic landscape and does it not make intuitive sense that a community settled far away from its domestic land in another state amidst another community will display a certain level of abrasiveness not associated with their brethren in the homeland ?

Marwaris elsewhere have also left their "homeland" too .. I dont notice the brazenness of Kolkata Marwaris in Hyderabad Marwaris for example. Clearly I am stereotyping.. but my experience with Kolkata Marwaris has been consistent (1 or 2 exceptions notwithstanding).

[kban1]

Marwaris elsewhere have also left their "homeland" too .. I dont notice the brazenness of Kolkata Marwaris in Hyderabad Marwaris for example. Clearly I am stereotyping.. but my experience with Kolkata Marwaris has been consistent (1 or 2 exceptions notwithstanding).

Was not comparing or defending -- I dont have any basis to do so.

Was offering a possible explanation into this difference that you noted.

On a connected note, is the Marwari influence in business that pronounced in Hyderabad as it is in Kolkata ? I mean Kolkata's business backbone for the last 40+ years is entirely dominated by Marwari's and Gujaratis (in that order I think) because Bengali's are usually risk averse when it comes to business endeavors. My point being could this unprecedented pre eminence in business and trade in a non native (adopted) state be an add on effect to the scenario I postulated earlier, which makes them that much different ?

[LosingNow]

Marwaris elsewhere have also left their "homeland" too .. I dont notice the brazenness of Kolkata Marwaris in Hyderabad Marwaris for example. Clearly I am stereotyping.. but my experience with Kolkata Marwaris has been consistent (1 or 2 exceptions notwithstanding).

Was not comparing or defending -- I dont have any basis to do so.

Was offering a possible explanation into this difference that you noted.

On a connected note, is the Marwari influence in business that pronounced in Hyderabad as it is in Kolkata ? I mean Kolkata's business backbone for the last 40+ years is entirely dominated by Marwari's and Gujaratis (in that order I think) because Bengali's are usually risk averse when it comes to business endeavors. My point being could this unprecedented pre eminence in business and trade in a non native (adopted) state be an add on effect to the scenario I postulated earlier, which makes them that much different ?

I think it is fair to say that the Marwari influence is most pronounced in Kolkata than any other (non-Rajasthan) city (In other cities they tend to dominate certain trades) so you may have a point.
--
BTW, IMO, the food served in Kolkata Marwari weddings (obviously vegetarian) cannot be matched elsewhere (and dare I say by any community - including the Punjabis from Delhi). The quality of sweets - a subtle and wonderful mix of Bengali and Marwari ones - and the richness & variety of dishes served can be absolutely out of the world.

[Libran]

Marwaris elsewhere have also left their "homeland" too .. I dont notice the brazenness of Kolkata Marwaris in Hyderabad Marwaris for example. Clearly I am stereotyping.. but my experience with Kolkata Marwaris has been consistent (1 or 2 exceptions notwithstanding).

Was not comparing or defending -- I dont have any basis to do so.

Was offering a possible explanation into this difference that you noted.

On a connected note, is the Marwari influence in business that pronounced in Hyderabad as it is in Kolkata ? I mean Kolkata's business backbone for the last 40+ years is entirely dominated by Marwari's and Gujaratis (in that order I think) because Bengali's are usually risk averse when it comes to business endeavors. My point being could this unprecedented pre eminence in business and trade in a non native (adopted) state be an add on effect to the scenario I postulated earlier, which makes them that much different ?

You have a point there ...

Now I see this KKR -DD thread getting into unchartered territory
Just a way of keep one occupied and ignoring those butterflies in the stomach 

[Blwe_torch]

Fortunately KKR has a very good support structure and they are very clear abt their roles. The captain although is effervescent and demanding, appreciates that the coach will equally decide who will play in the team and who will not. Infact the coach has more of a say in this matter as per prior arrangements.
Ganguly is keen to play Shoaib in place of Gul.....................Buchanan, being the 'process' man would appreciate that the later is 100% match-fit. Although, circumstancial pressure and the captain's eagerness saw him relent a little bit...............and he said something like...'even a 90% fit Shoaib is good enough for the opposition'.
It still remains a conjecture whether the mercurial bowler( who himself is ultra-keen) gets to play today or not................and if yes, in place of whom?
Ganguly realizes that KKR batting is not that strong................mainly dependent on David Hussey. He himself is in form, but we all know that he is yet to get adjusted to the new format of 20-20.................the same goes for Salman Butt.
Other than these, we are left with the gallant locals for a reliable rear-guard action..............thanks to Saha/ Shukla/ Das, etc.
Therefore, the batting needs to be reinforced at all cost..................even if that means doing away with a succesful foreign recruit ( Gul) on the bowling side.

[gouravk]

yup, and in case they fail buchanan has his computer to take care of things 

[Libran]

yup, and in case they fail buchanan has his computer to take care of things 

Atleast they will not have the Chappelway or the Highway presentations....

Process under duress does not impress

[LosingNow]

KKR win toss.. batting.. Shoaib is IN

[LosingNow]

Akhtar in for Murali Kartik .. Manoj Tiwari in for Dinesh Karthik

[cricinfo]

Akhtar in for Murali Kartik .. Manoj Tiwari in for Dinesh Karthik

nope ....surprising line up . Murali kartik dropped ...Iqbal Abdullah in , Shoaib playing in place of Umar Gul

[pipsqueak]

Akhtar in for Murali Kartik .. Manoj Tiwari in for Dinesh Karthik

nope ....surprising line up . Murali kartik dropped ...Iqbal Abdullah in , Shoaib playing in place of Umar Gul

wow - bowling looks thin(batting already does!) 

[cricinfo]

Akhtar in for Murali Kartik .. Manoj Tiwari in for Dinesh Karthik

nope ....surprising line up . Murali kartik dropped ...Iqbal Abdullah in , Shoaib playing in place of Umar Gul

wow - bowling looks thin(batting already does!) 

apparently it is a Buchanan decision to get in Iqbal....i dont understand the logic though...to me a very poor decision by team managment in such a crucial match

[pipsqueak]

Akhtar in for Murali Kartik .. Manoj Tiwari in for Dinesh Karthik

nope ....surprising line up . Murali kartik dropped ...Iqbal Abdullah in , Shoaib playing in place of Umar Gul

wow - bowling looks thin(batting already does!) 

apparently it is a Buchanan decision to get in Iqbal....i dont understand the logic though...to me a very poor decision by team managment in such a crucial match

even a venugopal rao was smacking karthik for consecutive sixes - can iqbal do any worse?

[prfsr]

Let's see what the great Aussie coach has planned...

[prfsr]

Well, he played for Mumbai in T20 (http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ipl/engine/match/290527.html) and has 11 wickets from 7 matches!

 

[prfsr]

CI: "Murali Kartik makes way for Iqbal Abdulla, the left-arm spinner, in the Kolkata camp while Manoj Tiwary makes way for Dinesh Karthik for Delhi."

Apparently "makes way" has opposite meanings in Delhi and Kolkata

[ganavk]

..almost Bangaloresque start from KKR

[prfsr]

Not surprising - Chopra and Butt are test players.

[ruchir]

GG drops AC!!!

[prfsr]

GG drops AC!!!

All planned Delhi should keep these guys around as long as possible

[prfsr]

What immaculate defence from Aakash.

[dhruvdeepak]

ah
well positioned in the pantry at work. nice big screen. nobody around so volume's up, work strewn all around me. but i dont reckon ill be doing much else for the next few hrs

lovely test match start for aakash and butt

[ruchir]

AC and SB are opening up now. DD need 2 wkts, pronto!

[ruchir]

AC goes...