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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 29 : KKR vs BRC- Thread
« Reply #280 on: May 08, 2008, 08:54:57 PM »
KIC:I think VVS at top is not as bad as you think.  Gibbs has 3 failures in 3 games he played.  If Gilly shows consistency he and VVS who by the way has close to 130 S/R in the last 4 games he played is not a bad combo.  If he was doing a Dravid at this stage I would have agreed with you.

Didn't DC lost their match against BRC because of Laxman. If that was not called playing slow in 20-20 then same can be  said about RD also in this match.
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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 29 : KKR vs BRC- Thread
« Reply #281 on: May 08, 2008, 08:57:46 PM »
RD should go. He is not cut out to be a T-20 captain. Wrong batting order. He has no business to be coming in at 4 in a 16 over match. Period. Played right into SG's hands. It was a smart move by SG to bring himself on. Eventually it was SG's spell that won the match for KKR.
Rumba Dumbo captaincy.. CW should have come ahead of him.


That;s hindsight speaking. It is KKR's bowling that won them this match and not the BRC batting that lost the match.
Hellllooooooo.. cant chase at 8 RRR in a 16 over match.. and batting did not fail!

Whatever!!
What makes you think CW would have scored better ? I mean we have seen CW's batting so far in the two matches..Sometime one has to go by instinct or plan and it does not work out always. Obviously Dravid could not score at a faster rate and that made the difference.
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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 29 : KKR vs BRC- Thread
« Reply #282 on: May 08, 2008, 09:02:18 PM »
RD should go. He is not cut out to be a T-20 captain. Wrong batting order. He has no business to be coming in at 4 in a 16 over match. Period. Played right into SG's hands. It was a smart move by SG to bring himself on. Eventually it was SG's spell that won the match for KKR.
Rumba Dumbo captaincy.. CW should have come ahead of him.


That;s hindsight speaking. It is KKR's bowling that won them this match and not the BRC batting that lost the match.
Hellllooooooo.. cant chase at 8 RRR in a 16 over match.. and batting did not fail!

Whatever!!
What makes you think CW would have scored better ? I mean we have seen CW's batting so far in the two matches..Sometime one has to go by instinct or plan and it does not work out always. Obviously Dravid could not score at a faster rate and that made the difference.
See reply #234

Pasting it here again for your convenience!
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CP 8 dot balls out of 11, RD 6 out of 11.. CW 2 out of 16!!
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If you are speculating that CW would have had a higher DBP if he had come earlier.. you have an argument - a rather silly one!!
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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 29 : KKR vs BRC- Thread
« Reply #283 on: May 08, 2008, 09:11:22 PM »
KIC:I think VVS at top is not as bad as you think.  Gibbs has 3 failures in 3 games he played.  If Gilly shows consistency he and VVS who by the way has close to 130 S/R in the last 4 games he played is not a bad combo.  If he was doing a Dravid at this stage I would have agreed with you.

Didn't DC lost their match against BRC because of Laxman. If that was not called playing slow in 20-20 then same can be  said about RD also in this match.
Go check the scorecard of that game again and watch a tape of that game as well and let me know if VVS got a fair decison. 

After 2 wickets were down when Gilly and Gibbs were dismissed early, it was VVS and RS partnership that got them back into the hunt.  Rohit and Afridi were dismissed in quick succession which put the clock back and Deccan got back to back poor decisons in the form of Styris and VVS that sealed their fate.  Still VVS had close to 120 S/R in that game and plus Deccan lost the game by 3 runs.

If in a game like this if VVS got 5 out of 11 balls faced then I would be calling him the same things.  In a 16 over game that is not what the doctor ordered and in the end they have 6 wickets left.

In this instance it is not a fair comparision IMO.

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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 29 : KKR vs BRC- Thread
« Reply #284 on: May 08, 2008, 10:34:54 PM »
KIC:I think VVS at top is not as bad as you think.  Gibbs has 3 failures in 3 games he played.  If Gilly shows consistency he and VVS who by the way has close to 130 S/R in the last 4 games he played is not a bad combo.  If he was doing a Dravid at this stage I would have agreed with you.

Didn't DC lost their match against BRC because of Laxman. If that was not called playing slow in 20-20 then same can be  said about RD also in this match.
Go check the scorecard of that game again and watch a tape of that game as well and let me know if VVS got a fair decison. 

After 2 wickets were down when Gilly and Gibbs were dismissed early, it was VVS and RS partnership that got them back into the hunt.  Rohit and Afridi were dismissed in quick succession which put the clock back and Deccan got back to back poor decisons in the form of Styris and VVS that sealed their fate.  Still VVS had close to 120 S/R in that game and plus Deccan lost the game by 3 runs.

If in a game like this if VVS got 5 out of 11 balls faced then I would be calling him the same things.  In a 16 over game that is not what the doctor ordered and in the end they have 6 wickets left.

In this instance it is not a fair comparision IMO.


I have watched that match and so no need for me to watch it again. Whether it is a 16 over match or 20 over match objective is same for all the batsman , to go for the win. VVS was not able to finish that off in spite of being in such a wonderful position and that doesn't say much about him also. Of course one can bash RD for this match. You expect more from him especially because he scored at a strike rate of over 140 in his last two matches. he was not able to do it and he is a part of the loss.
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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 29 : KKR vs BRC- Thread
« Reply #285 on: May 08, 2008, 11:40:30 PM »
KIC:I think VVS at top is not as bad as you think.  Gibbs has 3 failures in 3 games he played.  If Gilly shows consistency he and VVS who by the way has close to 130 S/R in the last 4 games he played is not a bad combo.  If he was doing a Dravid at this stage I would have agreed with you.

Didn't DC lost their match against BRC because of Laxman. If that was not called playing slow in 20-20 then same can be  said about RD also in this match.
Go check the scorecard of that game again and watch a tape of that game as well and let me know if VVS got a fair decison. 

After 2 wickets were down when Gilly and Gibbs were dismissed early, it was VVS and RS partnership that got them back into the hunt.  Rohit and Afridi were dismissed in quick succession which put the clock back and Deccan got back to back poor decisons in the form of Styris and VVS that sealed their fate.  Still VVS had close to 120 S/R in that game and plus Deccan lost the game by 3 runs.

If in a game like this if VVS got 5 out of 11 balls faced then I would be calling him the same things.  In a 16 over game that is not what the doctor ordered and in the end they have 6 wickets left.

In this instance it is not a fair comparision IMO.


I have watched that match and so no need for me to watch it again. Whether it is a 16 over match or 20 over match objective is same for all the batsman , to go for the win. VVS was not able to finish that off in spite of being in such a wonderful position and that doesn't say much about him also. Of course one can bash RD for this match. You expect more from him especially because he scored at a strike rate of over 140 in his last two matches. he was not able to do it and he is a part of the loss.
Ganavk:Don't get me wrong.  My criticism of Dravid on this thread is limited to this game only.  If you dissect today's game between him and Chanderpaul they ate up 22 balls 2 balls less than 25% of the overs and in the process scored 12 runs.   That is where to me the analysis ends.  That's the match right there. 

On a different note I would have loved for RS and VVS to have finished that game.  I agree despite the wrong decision VVS  got he should get a part of the blame for losing out on a sure shot win against the BRC by 3 runs.
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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 29 : KKR vs BRC- Thread
« Reply #286 on: May 08, 2008, 11:58:34 PM »
KIC:I think VVS at top is not as bad as you think.  Gibbs has 3 failures in 3 games he played.  If Gilly shows consistency he and VVS who by the way has close to 130 S/R in the last 4 games he played is not a bad combo.  If he was doing a Dravid at this stage I would have agreed with you.

Didn't DC lost their match against BRC because of Laxman. If that was not called playing slow in 20-20 then same can be  said about RD also in this match.
Go check the scorecard of that game again and watch a tape of that game as well and let me know if VVS got a fair decison. 

After 2 wickets were down when Gilly and Gibbs were dismissed early, it was VVS and RS partnership that got them back into the hunt.  Rohit and Afridi were dismissed in quick succession which put the clock back and Deccan got back to back poor decisons in the form of Styris and VVS that sealed their fate.  Still VVS had close to 120 S/R in that game and plus Deccan lost the game by 3 runs.

If in a game like this if VVS got 5 out of 11 balls faced then I would be calling him the same things.  In a 16 over game that is not what the doctor ordered and in the end they have 6 wickets left.

In this instance it is not a fair comparision IMO.


I have watched that match and so no need for me to watch it again. Whether it is a 16 over match or 20 over match objective is same for all the batsman , to go for the win. VVS was not able to finish that off in spite of being in such a wonderful position and that doesn't say much about him also. Of course one can bash RD for this match. You expect more from him especially because he scored at a strike rate of over 140 in his last two matches. he was not able to do it and he is a part of the loss.
Ganavk:Don't get me wrong.  My criticism of Dravid on this thread is limited to this game only.  If you dissect today's game between him and Chanderpaul they ate up 22 balls 2 balls less than 25% of the overs and in the process scored 12 runs.   That is where to me the analysis ends.  That's the match right there. 

On a different note I would have loved for RS and VVS to have finished that game.  I agree despite the wrong decision VVS  got he should get a part of the blame for losing out on a sure shot win against the BRC by 3 runs.
Agreed..RD has to be blamed for this loss and has to take blame also especially if you cannot win against this mediocre KKR team
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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 29 : KKR vs BRC- Thread
« Reply #287 on: May 09, 2008, 12:03:45 AM »
yes agreed rd is to blame for today,,but then for people to just take this match and start criticizing him left and right is wrong.till today his performance has been decent ,butyes messed up today.but there are a few games left so lets give him chance.
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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 29 : KKR vs BRC- Thread
« Reply #288 on: May 09, 2008, 12:06:33 AM »
and agree with ganavk,,till today's match cw's performance was nothing ot write about so rd coming in early was a decision based on the fact that he was doing well in past matches ,this thing fired back is a diff issue.also one other issue was the opening  i mean the openers did nothing ot take the initiative and that also was a major reason.sc too has looked out of sorts.
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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 29 : KKR vs BRC- Thread
« Reply #289 on: May 09, 2008, 12:09:31 AM »
BRC should play White, Steyn, Misbah and Boucher as their overseas players...consistently..always.

Forget about Chanderpaul, Kallis .. to select them in the franchise was a mistake.. they should not compound this mistake by playing them ahead of the above 4!!!

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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 29 : KKR vs BRC- Thread
« Reply #290 on: May 09, 2008, 12:17:52 AM »
prob right winningnow..one expected jk/sc to fire at least after the first few games but they have failed
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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 29 : KKR vs BRC- Thread
« Reply #291 on: May 09, 2008, 12:53:53 AM »
Kallis is certainly a big failure. Remember he is the second highest paid overseas player and not living upto that price. No contribution from bat at all....
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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 29 : KKR vs BRC- Thread
« Reply #292 on: May 09, 2008, 02:33:08 AM »
Kolkata Knight Riders v Bangalore Royal Challengers, IPL, Kolkata

Ganguly and Dinda allow Kolkata to sparkle into the night

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May 8, 2008

 
 
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Even at half past one, they were walking down the Esplanade in their hundreds, discussing ways to get home. Some were still laughing and cheering, while others clutched their black-and-gold flags and moved ahead like zombies. Some carried sleeping infants, while others were exhaling smoky fumes of relief into the cloudy Kolkata sky.

If that saying about fans getting the team that they deserve was really true, the Knight Riders would win the trophy every year. Not even a fervent Mumbai crowd on a good day can match the Eden Gardens for atmosphere. It is to cricket what Anfield is to European football nights, and even the most committed Bangalore supporter would have been awed by the volume that the crowd summoned up despite a couple of stands being largely empty.

Make no mistake, this was a battle for IPL survival. Bangalore's far-from-royal challenge is now surely over, while the slender victory gives Kolkata the chance to dream again. With four home matches to come, and 80,000 Electric Light Orchestra members in the background to cheer every ball, who's to say what might happen?

Sourav Ganguly, the man of the match after a bowling display reminiscent of his Toronto heroics from a decade ago, had no doubt that the crowd had played a massive part in the five-run victory. "You could see the intensity in the field," he said with a smile. He had played his part there too, with a stunning reflex stop after Mark Boucher had driven the ball straight back at him.

In the end, it all came down to one stroke, or the lack of it, and Bangalore will once again look back at a game where they were clearly second-best in the field. The Knight Riders threw themselves around, and according to Ganguly's reckoning, they saved "at least 15 to 20 runs". The highlight was of course Brad Hodge's magnificent stop-pick-up-and-throw to run-out J Arunkumar, though Murali Kartik's ice-cool dismissal of Cameron White also rates a mention.

Given what was at stake in this game, it was almost inevitable that the main post-match question would be about that ball. Ganguly grinned like a Cheshire cat before composing himself. "Look, these are small things in a game," he said, when asked about the delivery that sent Rahul Dravid's leg stump for a stroll. "It was an important game for him as well."

There was no doubt though which captain had come out on top. Ganguly's spell was the much-needed tourniquet after Arunkumar had briefly made Kolkata bleed, and it coincided with Dravid's 11-ball five, the last thing Bangalore needed in a high-pressure chase. And while Boucher may have finished with an unbeaten 50 from 40 balls, he managed only four from the 11 deliveries that Ganguly bowled to him.

With Ganguly sending the crowd into raptures and Ishant Sharma holding his nerve in the final two overs of his spell, it was forgotten just how well a new face had set the tone for this team of international stars. "He's a young prospect who's always had something about him," Ganguly said, when asked about Ashok Dinda, who nearly matched Dale Steyn when it came to consistently clocking around 140kph. "I picked him up from nowhere for a Duleep Trophy game [in 2005]. I think he'd played only one Ranji match at the time. He has pace and he can swing the ball."
 
Dinda certainly doesn't have the conventional fast bowler's build, but a dramatic leap as he nears the crease and a whippy arm action help him generate plenty of pace. He's also fairly accurate, and an economy rate of 6.00 after seven games is something that some of the established international stars must be dreaming of.

For young men like Dinda and Wriddhiman Saha, who once again played a massive part with the bat, the IPL is about far more than the money. If Shoaib Akhtar is fit, Dinda may not even play the next game. But if Ganguly does trust his instincts and throw the ball his way, you can be sure he won't let the side down. The 80,000 faithful make him ten feet tall and give his deliveries wings of speed. More than anything else, that has been the greatest success of this tournament.

http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/ipl/content/current/story/350434.html

Dinda looks pretty impressive so far - 140 kmph with accuracy and 6 RPO.  Hopefully, he manages a great future   At least for IPL, he got access to international coach and players - which is great.
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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 29 : KKR vs BRC- Thread
« Reply #293 on: May 09, 2008, 02:36:45 AM »
There is some good local talent in KKR.. Saha, Dinda, Shukla..they better give them opportunities and nurture them
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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 29 : KKR vs BRC- Thread
« Reply #294 on: May 09, 2008, 04:22:31 AM »
I thought the 14th over by Ishant was one of the best I have seen by an Indian in this IPL. The match was slipping away with White looking very dangerous.
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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 29 : KKR vs BRC- Thread
« Reply #295 on: May 09, 2008, 04:24:34 AM »
why are there so many "guests" reading this thread? who are all these shy people?
I am 'hidden'

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« Reply #296 on: May 09, 2008, 04:26:17 AM »
Riya Sen is the brand ambasador of IPL  ;D :D ;D
Which team?

Brand ambassador for the IPL website...said she has not seen the website as  yet  ;D
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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 29 : KKR vs BRC- Thread
« Reply #297 on: May 09, 2008, 04:31:26 AM »
BRC had the top two scorers and the highest wicket taker in this game in their side but still ended up losing. :-[
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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 29 : KKR vs BRC- Thread
« Reply #298 on: May 09, 2008, 04:39:08 AM »
somehow one always feels for RD!.................may be it is his sincerety that is appealing! :notworthy:

Completely agree...it is sad to see a batsman of his stature reduced to defending every move of his and his team...

Why would these ICONS of Indian and world cricket do this to themselves, beats me

One can understand how frustrating it must be for him... reducing the opposition to under 130 and still not being able to pull it off ...
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« Reply #299 on: May 09, 2008, 04:45:37 AM »
somehow one always feels for RD!.................may be it is his sincerety that is appealing! :notworthy:

Completely agree...it is sad to see a batsman of his stature reduced to defending every move of his and his team...

Why would these ICONS of Indian and world cricket do this to themselves, beats me

One can understand how frustrating it must be for him... reducing the opposition to under 130 and still not being able to pull it off ...
Seriously .. I am convinced.. RD's brain is trained to accept "draw" as a possible and desirable result. It is so bloody instinctive to him...that his entire cricketing musculo-skeletal system defaults to defending balls when faced with what appears to be a tough ask
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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 29 : KKR vs BRC- Thread
« Reply #300 on: May 09, 2008, 04:48:12 AM »
somehow one always feels for RD!.................may be it is his sincerety that is appealing! :notworthy:

Completely agree...it is sad to see a batsman of his stature reduced to defending every move of his and his team...

Why would these ICONS of Indian and world cricket do this to themselves, beats me

One can understand how frustrating it must be for him... reducing the opposition to under 130 and still not being able to pull it off ...
Seriously .. I am convinced.. RD's brain is trained to accept "draw" as a possible and desirable result. It is so bloody instinctive to him...that his entire cricketing musculo-skeletal system defaults to defending balls when faced with what appears to be a tough ask

i think it is is time to fire the new CEO.
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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 29 : KKR vs BRC- Thread
« Reply #301 on: May 09, 2008, 04:50:34 AM »
Rahul Dravid was India's best batsman. And the captaincy experiment was followed by a shocking drop of form, by his lofty standards. This 20-20 game is really not suited to his style -- since his batting is not really primed to lash out from the start. By playing and failing (relative to others of his stature), even though this is 20-20, his confidence is probably taking a huge hit at a critical time.

He should walk away from the money and concentrate on regaining his lost glory in test cricket in the few years that remain. Will he do it?


he will..if this report is anything to go by

Pollock delighted

Shaun Pollock has been appointed as the newest member of the Marylebone Cricket Club’s World Cricket Committee, the custodians of the game’s laws, adds PTI from Mumbai.

Pollock said “I am honoured and delighted to be joining MCC’s World Cricket Committee at such an interesting time for the sport. The challenge for cricket is to embrace change for the good of the game.”

Full list of Committee members: Tony Lewis (chairman), Mike Atherton, Mike Brearley, Geoffrey Boycott, Mike Gatting, David Shepherd, Alec Stewart (all England), Martin Crowe (NZ), Tony Dodemaide, Steve Waugh (both Australia), Rahul Dravid, Anil Kumble (both India), Andy Flower (Zimbabwe), Majid Khan (Pakistan), Shaun Pollock, Barry Richards (both South Africa), Michael Tissera (SL) and Courtney Walsh (WI).

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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 29 : KKR vs BRC- Thread
« Reply #302 on: May 09, 2008, 04:50:51 AM »
somehow one always feels for RD!.................may be it is his sincerety that is appealing! :notworthy:

Completely agree...it is sad to see a batsman of his stature reduced to defending every move of his and his team...

Why would these ICONS of Indian and world cricket do this to themselves, beats me

One can understand how frustrating it must be for him... reducing the opposition to under 130 and still not being able to pull it off ...
Seriously .. I am convinced.. RD's brain is trained to accept "draw" as a possible and desirable result. It is so bloody instinctive to him...that his entire cricketing musculo-skeletal system defaults to defending balls when faced with what appears to be a tough ask

i think it is is time to fire the new CEO.
;D

Hey.. I told you at the start of the chase..these are the BRC 

You were the one so sure about KKR losing this one after the first innings!
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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 29 : KKR vs BRC- Thread
« Reply #303 on: May 09, 2008, 04:53:27 AM »
somehow one always feels for RD!.................may be it is his sincerety that is appealing! :notworthy:

Completely agree...it is sad to see a batsman of his stature reduced to defending every move of his and his team...

Why would these ICONS of Indian and world cricket do this to themselves, beats me

One can understand how frustrating it must be for him... reducing the opposition to under 130 and still not being able to pull it off ...
Seriously .. I am convinced.. RD's brain is trained to accept "draw" as a possible and desirable result. It is so bloody instinctive to him...that his entire cricketing musculo-skeletal system defaults to defending balls when faced with what appears to be a tough ask

i think it is is time to fire the new CEO.
I think they are allowed 7 games. :P
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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 29 : KKR vs BRC- Thread
« Reply #304 on: May 09, 2008, 04:54:49 AM »
To open with Chopra and Hodge was a  bad move...........didn't work well eventually.( hindsight).
SG batted slowly just to ensure that they don't lose too many wickets in the initial overs........................and SG is the type of captain who wants to get in there and control the game......his batting partners, umpires, et al.......thats why we could see him waiting with pads and helmets on.....itching to go in and take control of the situation.
Today unfortunately he was run out and all the accrueing work came to a naught. His presense upto the middle overs will be very important for KKR to build up their innings...............they have enough hitters who can hit around him...........otherwise KKR tends to lose all the fizz in a jiffy.



I think next match Chopra goes out someone else has to come in...what who is that someone ?

Let Hodge and Ganguly open...........they can try Cheteshwar Pujara in place of Akash Chopra.
But I am wondering, who they'll drop when Shoaib Akhtar comes in?!!!..............Taibu?...or Gul?
They would like to retain both Hodge and Hussey....................Hodge is yet to fire though...but that isn't too far away!

Shoaib will replace Murali which would mean Taibu sitting out and Deb Das or Cheteshwar Pujara should come in place of AC
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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 29 : KKR vs BRC- Thread
« Reply #305 on: May 09, 2008, 04:57:21 AM »
To open with Chopra and Hodge was a  bad move...........didn't work well eventually.( hindsight).
SG batted slowly just to ensure that they don't lose too many wickets in the initial overs........................and SG is the type of captain who wants to get in there and control the game......his batting partners, umpires, et al.......thats why we could see him waiting with pads and helmets on.....itching to go in and take control of the situation.
Today unfortunately he was run out and all the accrueing work came to a naught. His presense upto the middle overs will be very important for KKR to build up their innings...............they have enough hitters who can hit around him...........otherwise KKR tends to lose all the fizz in a jiffy.



I think next match Chopra goes out someone else has to come in...what who is that someone ?

Let Hodge and Ganguly open...........they can try Cheteshwar Pujara in place of Akash Chopra.
But I am wondering, who they'll drop when Shoaib Akhtar comes in?!!!..............Taibu?...or Gul?
They would like to retain both Hodge and Hussey....................Hodge is yet to fire though...but that isn't too far away!

Shoaib will replace Murali which would mean Taibu sitting out and Deb Das or Cheteshwar Pujara should come in place of AC
BTW..while RD is catching flak for picking Jaffers of the world.. who the eff picked AC in his team for this format!!
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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 29 : KKR vs BRC- Thread
« Reply #306 on: May 09, 2008, 05:00:50 AM »
somehow one always feels for RD!.................may be it is his sincerety that is appealing! :notworthy:

Completely agree...it is sad to see a batsman of his stature reduced to defending every move of his and his team...

Why would these ICONS of Indian and world cricket do this to themselves, beats me

One can understand how frustrating it must be for him... reducing the opposition to under 130 and still not being able to pull it off ...
Seriously .. I am convinced.. RD's brain is trained to accept "draw" as a possible and desirable result. It is so bloody instinctive to him...that his entire cricketing musculo-skeletal system defaults to defending balls when faced with what appears to be a tough ask

i think it is is time to fire the new CEO.
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Hey.. I told you at the start of the chase..these are the BRC 

You were the one so sure about KKR losing this one after the first innings!

well, i thought at the very least, the Fear Factor will see them through. seriously, they had no business losing this - how can a team lose only 4 wickets and can't chase down 130.
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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 29 : KKR vs BRC- Thread
« Reply #307 on: May 09, 2008, 05:06:34 AM »
There is some good local talent in KKR.. Saha, Dinda, Shukla..they better give them opportunities and nurture them

Laxmi Ratan Shukla was talked of as the next Kapil Dev but somewhere he fell by the wayside...looks like his stock is up again...at 26, he definitely has a chance
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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 29 : KKR vs BRC- Thread
« Reply #308 on: May 09, 2008, 05:08:35 AM »
To open with Chopra and Hodge was a  bad move...........didn't work well eventually.( hindsight).
SG batted slowly just to ensure that they don't lose too many wickets in the initial overs........................and SG is the type of captain who wants to get in there and control the game......his batting partners, umpires, et al.......thats why we could see him waiting with pads and helmets on.....itching to go in and take control of the situation.
Today unfortunately he was run out and all the accrueing work came to a naught. His presense upto the middle overs will be very important for KKR to build up their innings...............they have enough hitters who can hit around him...........otherwise KKR tends to lose all the fizz in a jiffy.



I think next match Chopra goes out someone else has to come in...what who is that someone ?

Let Hodge and Ganguly open...........they can try Cheteshwar Pujara in place of Akash Chopra.
But I am wondering, who they'll drop when Shoaib Akhtar comes in?!!!..............Taibu?...or Gul?
They would like to retain both Hodge and Hussey....................Hodge is yet to fire though...but that isn't too far away!

Shoaib will replace Murali which would mean Taibu sitting out and Deb Das or Cheteshwar Pujara should come in place of AC
BTW..while RD is catching flak for picking Jaffers of the world.. who the eff picked AC in his team for this format!!

But why is Jaffer a bad pick at $100000? He has done quite well actually ... and, in any case, should be better than most other local players!
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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 29 : KKR vs BRC- Thread
« Reply #309 on: May 09, 2008, 05:08:38 AM »
somehow one always feels for RD!.................may be it is his sincerety that is appealing! :notworthy:

Completely agree...it is sad to see a batsman of his stature reduced to defending every move of his and his team...

Why would these ICONS of Indian and world cricket do this to themselves, beats me

One can understand how frustrating it must be for him... reducing the opposition to under 130 and still not being able to pull it off ...
Seriously .. I am convinced.. RD's brain is trained to accept "draw" as a possible and desirable result. It is so bloody instinctive to him...that his entire cricketing musculo-skeletal system defaults to defending balls when faced with what appears to be a tough ask

i think it is is time to fire the new CEO.
;D

Hey.. I told you at the start of the chase..these are the BRC 

You were the one so sure about KKR losing this one after the first innings!

well, i thought at the very least, the Fear Factor will see them through. seriously, they had no business losing this - how can a team lose only 4 wickets and can't chase down 130.
True.. it is highly illogical..but teams with a losing mindset will figure out a way to lose
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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 29 : KKR vs BRC- Thread
« Reply #310 on: May 09, 2008, 05:10:00 AM »
There is some good local talent in KKR.. Saha, Dinda, Shukla..they better give them opportunities and nurture them

Laxmi Ratan Shukla was talked of as the next Kapil Dev but somewhere he fell by the wayside...looks like his stock is up again...at 26, he definitely has a chance
Yep.. I remember that one! I thought AA was also talked as the next KD, right?
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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 29 : KKR vs BRC- Thread
« Reply #311 on: May 09, 2008, 05:18:13 AM »
LRS is a decent batsman but bowler ?  :nono:
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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 29 : KKR vs BRC- Thread
« Reply #312 on: May 09, 2008, 05:20:54 AM »
There is some good local talent in KKR.. Saha, Dinda, Shukla..they better give them opportunities and nurture them

Laxmi Ratan Shukla was talked of as the next Kapil Dev but somewhere he fell by the wayside...looks like his stock is up again...at 26, he definitely has a chance
Yep.. I remember that one! I thought AA was also talked as the next KD, right?

AA  ???

Well...we have ne'er been able to find another Kapil Dev and anyone who can bowl a bit and hold a bat will be looked at as a potential replacement... there was only one KD and there will be only one...all others are spoofs of the original
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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 29 : KKR vs BRC- Thread
« Reply #313 on: May 09, 2008, 05:23:09 AM »
yup it was srikkant who had hailed LRS as the next KD

while for AA it was KD himself who had said he saw traces of himself in him
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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 29 : KKR vs BRC- Thread
« Reply #314 on: May 09, 2008, 05:51:51 AM »
The only INDIAN in my humble opinion that have came close of being called the next KD is IKP... but then he started failing as well.. BTW i know its only 4 overs but IKP is generating nice pace of around 130Ks and sometimes getting to 140Ks and the swing also seem to be back for him
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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 29 : KKR vs BRC- Thread
« Reply #315 on: May 09, 2008, 06:00:23 AM »
yup it was srikkant who had hailed LRS as the next KD

while for AA it was KD himself who had said he saw traces of himself in him

Confused ... That must be for AA's batting...the angle of the bat swing has traces of KD's golf swing...that is what he must have meant  :D
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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 29 : KKR vs BRC- Thread
« Reply #316 on: May 09, 2008, 04:29:32 PM »
BTW..while RD is catching flak for picking Jaffers of the world.. who the eff picked AC in his team for this format!!

SG prolly wanted someone who can score slower than him in the team ;)
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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 29 : KKR vs BRC- Thread
« Reply #317 on: May 09, 2008, 04:30:43 PM »
somehow one always feels for RD!.................may be it is his sincerety that is appealing! :notworthy:

Completely agree...it is sad to see a batsman of his stature reduced to defending every move of his and his team...

Why would these ICONS of Indian and world cricket do this to themselves, beats me

One can understand how frustrating it must be for him... reducing the opposition to under 130 and still not being able to pull it off ...
Seriously .. I am convinced.. RD's brain is trained to accept "draw" as a possible and desirable result. It is so bloody instinctive to him...that his entire cricketing musculo-skeletal system defaults to defending balls when faced with what appears to be a tough ask

i think it is is time to fire the new CEO.
;D

Hey.. I told you at the start of the chase..these are the BRC 

You were the one so sure about KKR losing this one after the first innings!

well, i thought at the very least, the Fear Factor will see them through. seriously, they had no business losing this - how can a team lose only 4 wickets and can't chase down 130.

they wanted to disprove the folks who wrote them off as a test team who can't even draw ;)
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Re: IPL 2008 - Match 29 : KKR vs BRC- Thread
« Reply #318 on: May 09, 2008, 04:33:29 PM »
There is some good local talent in KKR.. Saha, Dinda, Shukla..they better give them opportunities and nurture them

Laxmi Ratan Shukla was talked of as the next Kapil Dev but somewhere he fell by the wayside...looks like his stock is up again...at 26, he definitely has a chance
Yep.. I remember that one! I thought AA was also talked as the next KD, right?

It is just like anyone in Englnd who can both bat and bowl is hailed as the next Ian Botham - Craig White nd een Chris Lewis were supposed to be next Ian Botham !!
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