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On a tangential note - can someone please shed light on whether any reputable Indian brokerage has a real-time online presence for stock trading (accessible outside India). Can an account be opened in India and then operated completely from outside the country? Thanks.
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Re: Any information on brokerage houses for stock trading in India ?
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2008, 08:39:35 PM »
On a tangential note - can someone please shed light on whether any reputable Indian brokerage has a real-time online presence for stock trading (accessible outside India). Can an account be opened in India and then operated completely from outside the country? Thanks.

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Re: Any information on brokerage houses for stock trading in India ?
« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2008, 09:45:28 PM »
On a tangential note - can someone please shed light on whether any reputable Indian brokerage has a real-time online presence for stock trading (accessible outside India). Can an account be opened in India and then operated completely from outside the country? Thanks.

not for NRIs in the USA, US federal law prevents us from holding Demat accounts which are required to dabble in investment games.

How about ETFs? Wisdom Tree has a new ETF, this also seems to the right time to invest in the Indian Stock market

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Re: Any information on brokerage houses for stock trading in India ?
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2008, 09:53:31 PM »
On a tangential note - can someone please shed light on whether any reputable Indian brokerage has a real-time online presence for stock trading (accessible outside India). Can an account be opened in India and then operated completely from outside the country? Thanks.

not for NRIs in the USA, US federal law prevents us from holding Demat accounts which are required to dabble in investment games.

I've not heard of that before. I don't believe the US can prevent it - although there are tax consequences.

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How about ETFs? Wisdom Tree has a new ETF, this also seems to the right time to invest in the Indian Stock market

I was looking to rollover existing stock investments and control it wholly from the US.
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Re: Any information on brokerage houses for stock trading in India ?
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2008, 10:23:41 PM »
On a tangential note - can someone please shed light on whether any reputable Indian brokerage has a real-time online presence for stock trading (accessible outside India). Can an account be opened in India and then operated completely from outside the country? Thanks.

not for NRIs in the USA, US federal law prevents us from holding Demat accounts which are required to dabble in investment games.

I've not heard of that before. I don't believe the US can prevent it - although there are tax consequences.

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How about ETFs? Wisdom Tree has a new ETF, this also seems to the right time to invest in the Indian Stock market

I was looking to rollover existing stock investments and control it wholly from the US.

We now know you are a big shot and the true King of the land of Prussia :)

Stop hijacking my thread!!!  ::Whip::
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Re: Any information on brokerage houses for stock trading in India ?
« Reply #5 on: May 06, 2008, 12:03:44 AM »
We now know you are a big shot and the true King of the land of Prussia :)

I thought I was but, alas,  VVS made me a short squat fellow. I am dealing with inheritance sans family in India - hence the fin. question.
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« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2008, 12:10:35 AM »
We now know you are a big shot and the true King of the land of Prussia :)

I thought I was but, alas,  VVS made me a short squat fellow. I am dealing with inheritance sans family in India - hence the fin. question.
Nice problem to have.. I am sure it is not unique to you.. perhaps our resident stock market expert KIC will point us in the right direction
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Re: Any information on brokerage houses for stock trading in India ?
« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2008, 01:57:55 AM »
We now know you are a big shot and the true King of the land of Prussia :)

I thought I was but, alas,  VVS made me a short squat fellow. I am dealing with inheritance sans family in India - hence the fin. question.

I was ofcourse kidding sir. :)

all the power to you for the inheritance. If we ever meet the beer is on you (that reminds me ... WN where is that beer that you owe me :) )
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Re: Any information on brokerage houses for stock trading in India ?
« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2008, 04:37:18 AM »
Try Reliance Money... online and extremely cost effective.. Don't fall off your chair... they charge only 1/- per transaction... upto a specific value ... Rs 5L worth of transactions...

I guess you can transact so long as you do not repatriate the money into the US... i maybe wrong.. seek expert advice before you decide..

ICICIDirect is also good...expensive but has a variety ... F&O, Delivery based , MF(SIP & SWP), IPO ...the works

On that note: some cues I got

Buy Petronet LNG with a stoploss of Rs 77 for a target of Rs 97
Buy Aban Offshore with a stoploss of Rs 3200 for a target of Rs 3900
Buy Jaiprakash Associates above Rs 258. Stop Loss of Rs 248, target of Rs 273-Rs 277. (Intra-day/Positional Call)
Buy Cairn India above Rs 265. Stop Loss of Rs 257, target of Rs 274-Rs 278. (Intra-day/Positional Call)
 


 
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Re: Any information on brokerage houses for stock trading in India ?
« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2008, 05:40:10 AM »
Try Reliance Money... online and extremely cost effective.. Don't fall off your chair... they charge only 1/- per transaction... upto a specific value ... Rs 5L worth of transactions...

I guess you can transact so long as you do not repatriate the money into the US... i maybe wrong.. seek expert advice before you decide..

ICICIDirect is also good...expensive but has a variety ... F&O, Delivery based , MF(SIP & SWP), IPO ...the works

On that note: some cues I got

Buy Petronet LNG with a stoploss of Rs 77 for a target of Rs 97
Buy Aban Offshore with a stoploss of Rs 3200 for a target of Rs 3900
Buy Jaiprakash Associates above Rs 258. Stop Loss of Rs 248, target of Rs 273-Rs 277. (Intra-day/Positional Call)
Buy Cairn India above Rs 265. Stop Loss of Rs 257, target of Rs 274-Rs 278. (Intra-day/Positional Call)
 


 


Thanks Ravi for the impromptu stock tips!
btw...you didn't name Share Khan?
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Re: Any information on brokerage houses for stock trading in India ?
« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2008, 07:16:07 AM »
SSL,

An NRI has to open a bank account, a demat account and an account with a broker (in case of an ICICI Direct, all of this can be with the same entity) in India. So, you cannot operate the entire thing out of where you are based with just a trading account here. There are also some restrictions and charges that vary depending on whether you want to repatriate the money out of the country or keep the money within the country.

It also depends on what the US laws say. If, as Aloo Kashmiri says, US laws prevent you from holding demat accounts in India, it may not be possible. All Indian brokerages (including ICICI Direct) had also stopped offering its online or offline trading services for NRIs based in the US although they are available for those based elsewhere. This, I believe, also had to do with some extensive registration process that these brokers would have to go through in the US before offering such services. If you want, I can ask around and let you know whether this has changed recently or for any particular broker.

So, as things stand, there are two other options that you may want to look at -

a) if you have folks in India, let them do the investment on your behalf ... this is easiest and probably the route that is followed by most people

b) invest through some mutual fund .. most global funds have india / asia / emerging market dedicated funds that would give you a proxy to the Indian market although you would not have any control on what they buy / sell and when
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Re: Any information on brokerage houses for stock trading in India ?
« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2008, 01:20:55 PM »
SSL,

An NRI has to open a bank account, a demat account and an account with a broker (in case of an ICICI Direct, all of this can be with the same entity) in India. So, you cannot operate the entire thing out of where you are based with just a trading account here. There are also some restrictions and charges that vary depending on whether you want to repatriate the money out of the country or keep the money within the country.

Opening the accounts in India is not a legal issue I hope. As an overseas citizen of India (OCI), I presume that opening a bank, demat and brokerage account are possible on provision of an Indian mailing address and physical presence in India at the time of opening the account. This is possible right?

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It also depends on what the US laws say. If, as Aloo Kashmiri says, US laws prevent you from holding demat accounts in India, it may not be possible. All Indian brokerages (including ICICI Direct) had also stopped offering its online or offline trading services for NRIs based in the US although they are available for those based elsewhere. This, I believe, also had to do with some extensive registration process that these brokers would have to go through in the US before offering such services. If you want, I can ask around and let you know whether this has changed recently or for any particular broker.

The US laws are very clear. Opening anything is possible provided the accounts are declared and taxes are paid. There is probably a more subtle issue of how to handle taxes if these are also held in India at source (and hence avoid double taxation), but the tax implications are a separate issue which seem to be a grey area as far as I can tell.

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So, as things stand, there are two other options that you may want to look at -

a) if you have folks in India, let them do the investment on your behalf ... this is easiest and probably the route that is followed by most people

Unfortunately, no immediate family living in India any more.

My question really boils down to this. If I am able to open whatever combination of accounts needed to trade stock and buy mutual funds in India -- can one trade and transact, in Indian Rupees, hassle free, completely online without dealing with an individual? Thanks.
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Re: Any information on brokerage houses for stock trading in India ?
« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2008, 01:29:00 PM »
SSL, I have sent you a pm
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« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2008, 01:32:24 PM »
When figured out, I will summarize findings on this thread if anyone else is interested.
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Re: Any information on brokerage houses for stock trading in India ?
« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2008, 02:07:18 PM »
SSL,

I called up all of the major banks including ICICI, SBI, HSBC and Citibank. All of them said that US based NRIs cannot own demat accounts.
I made these enquiries about a year back, so perhaps the situation has changed since then.
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« Reply #15 on: May 10, 2008, 03:39:23 PM »
is this a good time to enter the indian stock market(using an ETF broadly tracking the market)? or wait for a while?

any opinions from the experts?

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« Reply #16 on: May 10, 2008, 03:43:43 PM »
When figured out, I will summarize findings on this thread if anyone else is interested.
Please can you summarize your findings.
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Re: Any information on brokerage houses for stock trading in India ?
« Reply #17 on: May 10, 2008, 05:58:03 PM »
is this a good time to enter the indian stock market(using an ETF broadly tracking the market)? or wait for a while?

any opinions from the experts?



It is good time to enter any stock market...why just the Indian. Ask the paanwaala of your locality- corner-shop......even he will suggest you the same thing.............but yes, there is a catch.......... :)...go for the hedges, I mean the hedge funds...........they are really.....really hot...I tell u! :glasses3:
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« Reply #18 on: May 10, 2008, 06:00:42 PM »
is this a good time to enter the indian stock market(using an ETF broadly tracking the market)? or wait for a while?

any opinions from the experts?



It is good time to enter any stock market...why just the Indian. Ask the paanwaala of your locality- corner-shop......even he will suggest you the same thing.............but yes, there is a catch.......... :)...go for the hedges, I mean the hedge funds...........they are really.....really hot...I tell u! :glasses3:

 ???
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« Reply #19 on: May 11, 2008, 12:07:50 AM »
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is this a good time to enter the indian stock market(using an ETF broadly tracking the market)? or wait for a while?

any opinions from the experts?



It is good time to enter any stock market...why just the Indian. Ask the paanwaala of your locality- corner-shop......even he will suggest you the same thing.............but yes, there is a catch.......... :)...go for the hedges, I mean the hedge funds...........they are really.....really hot...I tell u! :glasses3:

 ???  ???  ???

not looking at hedge funds but just a simple index fund/ETF tracking the entire market.
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« Reply #20 on: May 12, 2008, 03:08:32 AM »
When figured out, I will summarize findings on this thread if anyone else is interested.

Please can you summarize your findings.


It still seems to be a work in progress.

1. k-i-c exchanged some PMs with me and kindly offered to find out more. He mentioned that he asked around and learnt that a non Indian citizen (even if an OCI - overseas citizen of India) cannot trade online in an Indian brokerage. I am not fully convinced just because the information on the web about this is not crystal clear. So the onus is on me to prove otherwise.

2. From what searches I have been able to do, it appears legal for a "person of Indian origin" (which ostensibly would include an OCI - because the criteria for gaining OCI is pretty much the same as a PIO) to open a demat account. I hope Economic Times is a credible enough source. Here is an article that says it is legal to hold a demat account as a non Indian citizen, NRI who is a "person of Indian origin".
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/2549436.cms

3. My understanding is that a demat account needs to be opened via a "Depository Participant". My search is still on for a Depository Participant who will open a demat account for me as an OCI, and have a web site that allows trading of shares online with no broker/customer service intervention.

4. Perhaps k-i-c is still accurate in that a non Indian citizen is not allowed to trade shares online (even though such a person is allowed to hold a demat account).

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« Reply #21 on: May 12, 2008, 03:14:57 AM »
is this a good time to enter the indian stock market(using an ETF broadly tracking the market)? or wait for a while?

any opinions from the experts?


Far from an expert pip, but I will quote two generalities that I have commonly read and fully believe in. I am sure you have also come across these.

1. No person can time a market.

2. ETFs or market-index funds with minimal management fees are an excellent idea (even though they lack all "excitement" and "detailed analysis" factors). It is generally a good idea to purchase these periodically, in order to even out over a longer period of time than purchase in one go. This avoids any spikes and reduces the impact of timing, since 1 above is true. I got a recommendation from a finance buddy of mine to look into Wisdomtree's India ETF: http://www.wisdomtree.com/etfs/fund-details.asp?etfid=51

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« Reply #22 on: May 12, 2008, 05:33:40 AM »
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is this a good time to enter the indian stock market(using an ETF broadly tracking the market)? or wait for a while?

any opinions from the experts?



It is good time to enter any stock market...why just the Indian. Ask the paanwaala of your locality- corner-shop......even he will suggest you the same thing.............but yes, there is a catch.......... :)...go for the hedges, I mean the hedge funds...........they are really.....really hot...I tell u! :glasses3:

 ???  ???  ???

not looking at hedge funds but just a simple index fund/ETF tracking the entire market.

Kotak Mahindra is coming up with an index based MF... from hereon, the market should go up...ofcourse the usual disclaimers remain... and Kotak as a fund house knows its business
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« Reply #23 on: May 12, 2008, 07:42:43 AM »
is this a good time to enter the indian stock market(using an ETF broadly tracking the market)? or wait for a while?

any opinions from the experts?


Far from an expert pip, but I will quote two generalities that I have commonly read and fully believe in. I am sure you have also come across these.

1. No person can time a market.

2. ETFs or market-index funds with minimal management fees are an excellent idea (even though they lack all "excitement" and "detailed analysis" factors). It is generally a good idea to purchase these periodically, in order to even out over a longer period of time than purchase in one go. This avoids any spikes and reduces the impact of timing, since 1 above is true. I got a recommendation from a finance buddy of mine to look into Wisdomtree's India ETF: http://www.wisdomtree.com/etfs/fund-details.asp?etfid=51




thanks.

yes, i know about #1 and dollar-cost averaging - was just looking for just a general feeling on where it is all heading and whther it will be a reasonable idea to wait a few months.  :icon_smile:

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Re: Any information on brokerage houses for stock trading in India ?
« Reply #24 on: May 13, 2008, 08:44:55 AM »
   FAQ: How to invest in Indian stock markets
 
    For most NRI's the difficult part about knowing how to go about investing in the Indian stock markets is finding one place where they can get all the required information. To start off with, there is definitely quite an amount of paper work. For instance you would need to open bank accounts and complete other related formalities. But what investors prefer is to have an account with a good bank, open an account with a good stock broker and be comfortable that their funds are safe and that all trades would be executed fairly and transparently.

So here are the basics on how an NRI could invest in the Indian stock markets
 
    Q. How do NRI's get started once they decide to invest in the Indian stock market?
A: Firstly they need to open a bank account and decide whether they need to trade on a repatriable or a non repatriable basis. Now those who already have bank accounts should check with their bankers to find out whether those are suitable for stock trading. Know that you can nominate only one bank account for your stock trading. Some of the leading private banks are competent in this regard and can help you open an account through the internet that can be faster.
Q: But isn't that cumbersome paper work?
A There is definitely some amount of paper work to be done. But if you download the application form from the bank's website it will be a lot faster. If you want to do it through the internet, you would have to get copies of your passport, may be some bank statements in original. But the advantage with bigger banks is that all such information would be available on the website so you would not have much of a problem.

Here's an overview of the Indian stock market

With over 20 million shareholders India has the largest investor base in the world after the US and Japan. Investors from all across India invest in shares and debentures, mutual funds and securities among other investment tools. Shares can be traded in BSE (Bombay Stock Exchange) or the NSE (National Stock Exchange). Investors can trade on line or over the phone through the help of an intermediary. Indian investors can buy shares on day to day basis or use the futures and options route. Futures and options route is a contract that seeks assurance from an investor that he/she will trade in a stocks at a future date. NRI's can invest in the Indian stock market under PIS (Portfolio Investment Scheme) which is regulated by RBI and NRI's are not allowed to trade in the stock market on day to day basis. Stock market in India has been an unprecedented boom in the past year with the Sensex recently hitting a new high by bridging the 7500 mark. There are 23 recognised stock exchanges in India but the most active ones are the NSE and the BSE. NSE set up has a model exchange as a fully automated screen based system. BSE one of the oldest in the world accounts for the largest number of listed companies has also started a screen based trading system with the introduction of the Bombay online trading system. Regulations on the capital markets and the protection of investors interest is primarily the responsibility of the Securities and Exchange Board of India (SEBI) headquartered in Mumbai.

Q. Kindly explain the various tools available to invest in Indian stocks and equities, mutual funds, debentures, government securities etc. What is the process of investment for each of these?
A: To invest in mutual funds visit the respective mutual fund website or call them up. You can send them the necessary documents and payment can be made from the NRE or NRO bank accounts. However, taxation might be an issue. But then the mutual fund companies can answer your queries regarding this. For stock trading you can trade online, by the phone or even through a broker.

Q: What is the difference between investments that have a repatriation benefit and those that do not?
A: If an investor wants to bring in USD 10000 into India and has decided to stay back, then he can invest that money and he won't have to go through much paper work particularly when it comes to taxation. Now that is non-repatriable. But if he wants to take the principal out plus the profits then he would need an NRE account in which case he would be allowed to take out the principal and the profits after paying the due taxes.

Q: Are there any guidelines set by the RBI for NRI's to be followed while investing in the Indian markets?
A: You would have to ask your bank for Portfolio Investment Scheme (PIS) approval. The bank may charge you a nominal fee of around Rs 1000 to Rs 2000 and you would be allowed to invest in the markets. Another important rule is that you would not be allowed to day trade. Indian non-resident investors are not allowed to speculate on a day-to-day basis in the markets. For instance if they buy shares on Monday they would have to wait till Wednesday to sell it. However, they would be allowed to trade in the futures segment of the market. These are the basic general guidelines. RBI has relaxed its rules and it is for your bank to verify your paper work and the contract notes. They would definitely charge you a fee for these no doubt. So shop around and look for the best bank where you can get the best deal.

Q: Does an NRI have to pay extra transaction charges for his demat account linked with an NRO account.
A: That would depend on the bank. So you would need to take a look at the fine print while applying for a bank account. Brokers state that there is no such charge but the bank may charge extra for demat accounts with shares in it. Now that would be mentioned in the application when you open an account.

Q: Is it necessary to have a broker in India even if the NRI has a demat account?
A: Yes that is a must. An NRI will not be able to execute any trade without nominating a stock broker. There is no limit as to how many stockbrokers you need to have but you must have a stock broker nominated in India.

Q: Can an NRI execute trades through relatives in India?
A: Yes. He can give power of attorney. There are many who do this and its also a lot easier and faster. Not a bad idea as long as you give them the power of attorney just to make things more faster and efficient for the client and his family here.

Q. How should NRI's go about investing in stocks? Do they look for RBI designated banks and if so where can they start?
A: First and foremost they will have to open a bank account with a RBI designated bank which allows NRE, NRI, NRO accounts and that is available with the website of RBI or any banks they can go and check it out, on the site whether they are designated banks or not. So they will have to open an account there. That is step one because that is where the money will be coming. Step two would be to open a demat account and when I say demat account like you have a bank account for your cash, for your assets like you have equities, debentures or your mutual fund units you need an account where those assets as and when you buy and make the payments will be transferred to. So that is step two and step three would be that you will have to open an account with a brokerage firm- a SEBI registered brokerage firm or a SEBI registered mutual fund advisor to buy or sell any of these products and there are designated stock brokers in this country close to 1600 who are SEBI registered and who are allowed to access the trading site or the trading platform of NSE and BSE.

Q: What about IPO's and private placement? Do they have to go through the SEBI registered portfolio investment scheme and if so you could tell us a little bit about how that works?
A: In case of an IPO you just need to fill up the IPO form and give a cheque along with it for whatever amount they want to subscribe to. For private capitals there is an entirely different set of rules that guide them and private equity can come into quite a few areas except plantation, agriculture, real state development although 100% FDI has come but there are restrictions in terms of the township that they have to make. Those fall basically into FDI. In case of IPO's all they have to do is fill the form, tell the amount of money they want to put in the shares that they are subscribing and just send it across.

Q. The most important concern of NRI, PRO,OCB is how to choose an intermediary, the financial institution, the stock broker or the bank through which they need to transact business. Please explain
A: The first and foremost criteria for anybody choosing a bank or a broker is to see how tech savvy the banks are since these are long distance transactions. Such ease would enable easy transfer of funds. Besides the broker too needs to be tech savvy. Secondly before opening an account with the broker you need to find out their net worth, the strength of the balance sheet of the broker. For instance if the total net worth of a broker is Rs 1 crore and the NRI sells stocks worth Rs 50 crore and transfer the asset, the security of your money is doubtful. While all brokers are strictly regulated by SEBI you must choose a broker with a strong balance sheet, strong net worth so that your money is safe.

Q. Any other factor that needs to be considered while assessing the credibility of the broker?
It's the reputation of the broker, his balance sheet numbers that are important. Besides you can cross check with SEBI, NSE or BSE. You may ascertain whether the broker in question has defaulted earlier or he has had issues with compliance.

Q. Can you throw some light on the various charges that need to be paid while opening all these accounts? Are there any hidden costs, any transaction fees that one needs to watch out for?
If you open a DP account with an Indian address you are charged Rs 250 rupees while if it is with a foreign address the charge is Rs 1000. No other charges as far as the DP is concerned. But with the brokerage firm obviously when it comes to transactions from the US you would be charged per transaction. Typically in India today it is that the value of the transaction. So you will have to check out with the broker. This is pre-negotiated when you open an account and there is a lot of flexibility depending on the size of the client transactions besides there's STT too. Additionally there are statutory charges like stamp duty, a turnover tax

Q. How does one ensure that he gets the highest return on his investments and how can one prevent losses?
There are three important aspects and they are fear, greed and hope. The moment you enter into a transaction there is a fear. After that there is greed when you say let me wait for some more and subsequently hope and I think that is the worst. If you've made a wrong decision, cut your losses and get out. Don't get emotionally attached to a position, to a stock or to an investment. Don't look for phenomenal returns. The way the Indian markets are going they will give you the best results. But be realistic. Don't expect unrealistic returns. Besides do some basic homework before you take the plunge.

Q. What are the taxes that are levied? Also is there a system of double taxation for NRI's?
That depends on the country in question. But here currently if it is a repatriable account, there's an STT's levied. Its the minimum levied by the Indian government

Q. Is there a significant advantage in investing under repatriable?
All that depends on the individual's choice per se, whether he wants the money repatriated or he doesn't.

Q. Can NRI's, PIO, OCB's invest in government securities? What are the restrictions?
A. There are no restrictions. The only issue is repatriation, non-repatriation

Q. There are individuals who are not even of Indian origin but would like to invest in the Indian market. Now is that possible?
The best way they can enter the market is through FII Mutual funds which is registered in the U.S and which is investing in India. Today, globally most of the advanced markets have India specific funds. For instance Japan had come out with India specific funds. So you never knew whether that money is going to Brazil or Thailand or to Malaysia or India. At present there is quite an amount of interest in Indian equities. So most of the Mutual funds investing in Indian equity have India Specific Funds. That way you can put in your money and rest assured that your money is safe.

Q. What about Over The Counter stock exchanges. How does it work?
A.I think OTCEI is nearly defunct. It was a great idea which came in 94 and OTCEI was the first exchange where dematerialisation happened. There is nothing much happening there. Today you have two options the NSE and the BSE for listed equity, debenture and debt. There is a retail market segment also on the NSE.

Q. Are there any guidelines that foreign investors, NRI's need to keep in mind in terms of RBI guidelines?
That is routine permission required when you sell stocks. You need to give such information to RBI and thereafter there are no hassles. Its quite relaxed compared to the situation around nine years ago. But now the regime is very investor friendly.
 
http://www.moneycontrol.com/mc_new/nri/invest_equities.php
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Re: Any information on brokerage houses for stock trading in India ?
« Reply #25 on: May 13, 2008, 08:58:56 AM »
Found this is a chat forum ......

As of latest RBI guidelines July 02, 2007 regarding FIIs and NRIs investment from India its legal under RBI Guidelines for NRIs from US to trade in Indian market's.

Reference: RBI/2007-2008/22
Master circular No./6/2007-08

Facilities for Residents Outside India

Annexure A9 page no 13,14
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Re: Any information on brokerage houses for stock trading in India ?
« Reply #26 on: May 13, 2008, 09:04:08 AM »
Some more info....

If you have just joined the NRI club, congratulations! With the Indian economy booming and the country attracting huge foreign investments, surely you would like to be a part of the India growth story?

Till date, you may have made all your investments in shares, mutual funds, bank deposits and other debt instruments as a resident. Given your changed status, are you allowed to continue investing here? Are there any new regulations to be complied with?

Bank Accounts


One of the first things you should know as an NRI is that your existing bank accounts are no longer valid. The Foreign Exchange Management Act (FEMA) requires you to inform all the banks where you have an account, be it savings or deposits, about your changed residential status.

The banks will then classify your account as NRO (Non-resident Ordinary). Except for the change in nomenclature, there is nothing new about the account. You can continue using it as before. Payment of EMIs (Equated Monthly Instalment) can go on. You can also hold the NRO account jointly with a resident. But the balance in the NRO account cannot be remitted outside India.

If you want the funds in your account to be freely repatriable outside India, an NRE (Non-Resident External) account would be ideal. This account will be maintained in rupees and any debit or credit of foreign exchange will be converted into rupees.

It cannot be opened jointly with a resident but you can allow a resident to operate it on your behalf.

For example, you can authorise your mother to make local payments or even remit money to you through this account by giving her a power of attorney.

Investment options


NRI s can invest only in five asset classes in India — bank deposits, stocks, mutual funds, real-estate and insurance. You can also invest in government securities and company deposits. But you cannot invest in PPF (Public Provident Fund), or bearer instruments such as NSC (National Savings Certificate) or Kisan Vikas Patras once your residential status changes.

Though you are barred from making any fresh investments, existing ones can be left undisturbed. However, they cannot be extended beyond maturity. You can continue to make periodic contributions to the existing PPF account even when you are abroad through your NRE or NRO account. When the investments mature, the proceeds will be credited to the NRO account.

Banks allow NRIs to invest in deposits through FCNRB (Foreign Currency Non-Resident (Banks) accounts. These are term deposits and can be maintained in some currencies such as the US dollar, pound sterling and yen. The funds in this account can be repatriated.

Equity Investments


With the stock markets on a roll, you are welcome to join the party. As an NRI, you are allowed to invest to your heart’s content in both stocks and mutual funds.

While you can continue investing in IPOs (Initial Public Offers) unmindful of your NRI status, there are some procedures to be followed when investing in the secondary market. All along, as a resident, you would have used a demat account to buy and sell shares.

Now, this demat account has to be closed and the shares are to be transferred to a new NRO Demat Account. After this, you can either continue to hold those shares or sell them.

Although an NRO account means that funds are non-repatriable, the Reserve Bank of India allows funds from the sale of financial assets to be remitted outside India after some paperwork. Hence, wherever you are, you can enjoy the proceeds from the sale of shares.

To invest from abroad, you need to open a fresh NRI PINS (Portfolio Investment Scheme) demat account. PINS is a scheme of the RBI under which NRIs can buy and sell shares by routing them through their NRE/NRO account. (An NRE account is preferable, since you can freely transfer the funds abroad after selling the shares). Speculative transactions are not encouraged under PINS. Hence, you need to take/give delivery of shares.

For mutual fund investments, there are no procedural changes. Money can either be remitted from abroad or moved out of your NRE/FCNR accounts maintained at a local bank.

The redemption or the dividend proceeds will be credited to the same account. Again, investments can be made both on a repatriable and on a non-repatriable basis.

For these purposes, the PAN card you obtained when you were a resident will hold good. You need not apply afresh.

Insurance and Real-Estate


Presently, NRIs can invest in life insurance policies in India without any limit on the cover. Some companies offer foreign-currency denominated policies and also allow you to pay the premium in foreign currency.

You can also invest in residential and commercial property in India without obtaining any special permission from the RBI. Investment in agricultural land/plantation property/farm house is, however, not allowed.

http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/iw/2007/11/04/stories/2007110450421300.htm
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Re: Any information on brokerage houses for stock trading in India ?
« Reply #27 on: May 13, 2008, 11:56:53 AM »
most banks love nri clients .however there will be some procedure (like paperwork) required to invest in india , you should better email brokrage houses of india  for details

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Re: Any information on brokerage houses for stock trading in India ?
« Reply #28 on: May 13, 2008, 02:57:23 PM »
Thanks for the details Ravi.

Now my task is to find out a bank that understands all this and has good service, and establishing an account and trading online from outside India. I plan to do this in July. I will post my experience in due course.
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« Reply #29 on: May 13, 2008, 04:34:19 PM »
KoP, sorry for the delay ... have been (still am travelling) ...so, a bit out of touch with normal hours and the internet. Let me clarify some things:

When figured out, I will summarize findings on this thread if anyone else is interested.

Please can you summarize your findings.


It still seems to be a work in progress.

1. k-i-c exchanged some PMs with me and kindly offered to find out more. He mentioned that he asked around and learnt that a non Indian citizen (even if an OCI - overseas citizen of India) cannot trade online in an Indian brokerage. I am not fully convinced just because the information on the web about this is not crystal clear. So the onus is on me to prove otherwise.


It is not that an NRI or OCI cannot trade online. US NRIs cannot trade online.

2. From what searches I have been able to do, it appears legal for a "person of Indian origin" (which ostensibly would include an OCI - because the criteria for gaining OCI is pretty much the same as a PIO) to open a demat account. I hope Economic Times is a credible enough source. Here is an article that says it is legal to hold a demat account as a non Indian citizen, NRI who is a "person of Indian origin".
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/2549436.cms


The ET is far from credible. However, in this case, it is not necessarily inaccurate. Opening a demat account may not be an issue.

3. My understanding is that a demat account needs to be opened via a "Depository Participant". My search is still on for a Depository Participant who will open a demat account for me as an OCI, and have a web site that allows trading of shares online with no broker/customer service intervention.


If you want to trade online, almost all online brokers (at least the better, more reputed ones) will insist that you open the demat account with them. It would therefore be better if you figure out the issues on the former and the latter will take care of itself. If you only want to open a demat account, then most banks are depository participants ... any of them should serve the purpose. If you have an account in a bank where you have reasonably large funds, they generally waive off the annual charges as well.

4. Perhaps k-i-c is still accurate in that a non Indian citizen is not allowed to trade shares online (even though such a person is allowed to hold a demat account).


Again, to clarify, the restriction applies only to NRIs based out of the US. And, as per everyone I spoke to in places such as Kotak & ICICI, brokers are unlikely to provide online or offline services to US based NRIs. The latter has to do with some registration process that these brokers have to undergo in the US ...which they do not consider to be worth their while.

I still have to get any kind of clarity on whether the other option that you suggested in your pm will work .. shall try to get back asap but may take some time because I wont be back in India till the week of May 26.
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Re: Any information on brokerage houses for stock trading in India ?
« Reply #30 on: May 13, 2008, 06:02:57 PM »
most banks love nri clients .however there will be some procedure (like paperwork) required to invest in india , you should better email brokrage houses of india  for details

welcome to the forum! are you going to participate in cricket discussions too or reserve your comments exclusively on matters of stocks?!
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