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I feel sorry for the game: Kapil
« on: May 09, 2008, 07:51:46 PM »
NEW DELHI: He needed no cheer-girls to attract cricket lovers to the arena. His flashing strokes and incisive deliveries transformed him into a legend much before he was through with his cricket. Such was Kapil Dev’s magnetic appeal.

One of the icons of modern cricket, adjudged the ‘Indian Cricketer of the Century’ by 100 top cricketers, Kapil sadly is distanced from official cricket. His association with the Indian Cricket League severed his links with the Board and that “hurt” him no end. But then he has learnt to take things in his stride, just as he accepted the triumphs and the defeats on the cricket field.

He is aware that this is the age of entertainment where cricket is packaged with dance and music. Kapil counters, “What entertainment? Cricket itself is entertainment. Sport is entertainment. It doesn’t need gimmicks to boost its market. For years we have had stadiums full because they came to watch batsmen and bowlers, wickets and catches, runs and sixes, and not wildly swinging hips.”

Candid confession


The craze for the Indian Premier League, being touted as a huge marketing success, has jolted not just the purists but also many former players. Kapil was candid when he confessed, “I have spoken to a lot of senior cricketers and they think it is a big tamasha (circus). It is a financial venture with purely business interests at the heart of it. Let us accept it as a business venture. As far as cricket is concerned, I can only say that I feel sorry for the game because one of the top BCCI officials recently wanted betting to be legalised. Nothing could be more outlandish.”

He continued, “I feel sorry for the BCCI. I wonder what stopped it from marketing its domestic cricket. Wait and watch what happens to domestic cricket now. A youngster will learn the game in the domestic circuit and not the IPL.”

The former India captain, known for his flamboyant style of cricket, observed how the culture of cricket had changed, from playing it to watching it too. “The jump has been too big for the administrators to handle. The BCCI is finished as an organisation.”

Why? “Because club culture, with the patronage of the administration, will command bigger loyalty than State or even country.”

Does he visualise market forces and glamorous stars from the tinsel world taking over the game in the future. “I am sure even cricketers would soon resent and resist this invasion by film stars.”

Would that mean a Shah Rukh Khan becoming a 12th man or a Priyanka Chopra carrying drinks during breaks. “It will happen because cricket has been reduced to business. The BCCI has not defined any rules for this tournament. What stops film stars from playing a T20 match in the IPL. What a farce!”

Huge impact


So what impact would it have on the game? “Huge,” asserts Kapil. “In times to come you would see teams struggling to survive even 50 overs to save a match because of the mindset of the modern batsmen. I don’t think you will ever get a player like Sunil Gavaskar or Rahul Dravid now. You will get lot of these Twenty20 players, more of the (Virender) Sehwag and (MS) Dhoni variety. This game is for batsmen only. The best bowlers are getting slammed.”

Good track record


Kapil’s association with cricket now has been restricted to running the ICL and installing floodlights at various venues. MUSCO was launched 14 years ago when he returned from a trip to the United States.

“I saw a lot of floodlit sports there and I realised that sports at night would suit the Indians because of the weather conditions. Our company installed the floodlights at Mohali using a unique necklace technique with 18 towers because of the ground’s proximity to the airfield. I am proud to say that in 14 years only seven bulbs at Mohali have developed a snag.”

MUSCO installed lights at cricket grounds in Ahmedabad, Cuttack, Cricket Club of India, Punchkula, Gurgaon and Silchar apart from a few golf courses, football grounds and tennis courts.

“Our expertise is in sports lighting and my ambition is to extend this facility to small clubs, schools and colleges,” Kapil concluded.

http://www.hindu.com/2008/05/10/stories/2008051055842100.htm
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Re: I feel sorry for the game: Kapil
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2008, 10:11:48 PM »
I feel sorry for Kapil Dev and ICL.
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Re: I feel sorry for the game: Kapil
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2008, 10:30:11 PM »
I feel sorry for Kapil Dev and ICL.

no need to...i think there are still a few of us who'd be sad when international cricket is over and replaced by 20/20 tamashas permanently
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Re: I feel sorry for the game: Kapil
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2008, 10:45:02 PM »
There are some very valid observations from Kapil Dev in the above quotes that I completely agree with.   
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Re: I feel sorry for the game: Kapil
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2008, 10:55:01 PM »
I don't need to disagree with his views to feel sorry for him.
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Re: I feel sorry for the game: Kapil
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2008, 11:13:29 PM »
I don't need to disagree with his views to feel sorry for him.

so, you feel sorry for him for his cricketing ability  ???
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Re: I feel sorry for the game: Kapil
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2008, 11:44:01 PM »
I wonder what Kapil was doing in this case !!!...did he feel sorry ? ...he is just acting like a businessman pig


Mithun: No clash with Shah Rukh
- Those opposing ICL are traitors, says India’s iconic former captain




Calcutta: Mithun Chakraborty has said that his association with the Indian Cricket League (ICL) is a “strategic” move and not a counter-attack to Shah Rukh Khan, who owns the city franchise of the BCCI-backed Indian Premier League.

As Mithun officially joined the rebel league as the co-owner of Kolkata Tigers, at the same place where Shah Rukh made his official presentation of the Kolkata Knight Riders over a fortnight ago, comparisons were bound to be made.

Using cricketing parlance, Mithun decided to “bat it straight”.

“I’m not here for a confrontation with any one. The ICL and IPL are entirely different bodies. Let him (Shah Rukh) play his game. I’ll play it my way. We are not here to start a clash of egos… That’s for sure. Promoting the game and the players should be the top priority for both of us…” the veteran actor said during a news conference on Thursday.

“You may ask why have I decided to take charge of a team now and not, say, a year earlier? Actually, I’m a strategist and I didn’t want to jump the gun. I have been watching the ICL venture closely before feeling confident about joining it. Yes, I believe the time is ripe,” Mithun, flanked by ICL chairman Kapil Dev and sports minister Subhas Chakraborty, said.

On the actor’s request, the city team is also going to be rechristened as Royal Bengal Tigers. “I’m not only for Calcutta, I’m also the son of Bengal,” he declared.

Mithun is planning to sit with his squad once the ongoing Twenty20 meet of the ICL gets over.

“I’ve a number of plans with my team. Just wait and see,” he said in reply to a query whether he would have a theme or mascot for Royal Bengal Tigers. He also said that he would have an “above 100 crore project” in place to remodel his team.

How are Mithun’s team members seeing his arrival on the ICL stage? For Deep Dasgupta, it’s a “recognition” to the league while captain Craig McMillan dubbed it “an excellent news.”

Hailing Mithun as a “real human being,” Subhas provided further sop to the ICL, promising them to make even the Eden Gardens available to them.

“Any venture creates some impact on the society. I must protest against the way the BCCI is handling the ICL.

“The IPL had asked for permission to stage matches at the Eden and I allowed it. Similarly, if the ICL makes such a request, I am ready to offer the ground to them. They can also use 30 state-owned venues,” Subhas said.

Are you missing Sourav Ganguly today? “It would have been nice had Sourav been a member of my team. This is not possible now and you have to move on,” Mithun signed off.
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Re: I feel sorry for the game: Kapil
« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2008, 04:24:26 AM »
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Kapil counters, “What entertainment? Cricket itself is entertainment. Sport is entertainment. It doesn’t need gimmicks to boost its market. For years we have had stadiums full because they came to watch batsmen and bowlers, wickets and catches, runs and sixes, and not wildly swinging hips.”

1. Wasn't it in ICC World 20/20 Cup, that we first saw cheerleaders being introduced in cricket. That tournament was sponsored by ICC, run by ICC, accredited by ICC. So it is not like it is BCCI that is introducing cheerleaders and DJs in 20/20 cricket. They are merely following what the governing body started. So if KD can get his head out and remember a little bit of history, he would probably not be making such comments that show how ignorant he is.

2. About swinging hips - I'm sure KD has never seen professional cheerleaders dance in his whole life till date. I'm also sure he doesn't know that many European and American countries have national cheer leading championships. I would suggest KD to see the 'Bring in on' series of movies, not for their stories but to see what stuff cheerleaders can do. That will shut him up for his swinging hips comment. Another thing KD would notice if his head was not stuffed right up there, that most of the dance steps that all foreign cheerleaders are performing, are either bhangra steps or Indianised version of their steps. They are not dancing the real cheer leading dances and exercise that they do otherwise. So if KD is so cut up about the swinging hips, all he has to do is see the wet dance sequences of Indian movies and feel happy about them. It is the Indianised steps that are offending him. Sure, the real cheer leading dances too have sexy steps. But that's not what these dancers are doing here.


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Kapil was candid when he confessed, “I have spoken to a lot of senior cricketers and they think it is a big tamasha (circus). It is a financial venture with purely business interests at the heart of it. Let us accept it as a business venture. As far as cricket is concerned, I can only say that I feel sorry for the game because one of the top BCCI officials recently wanted betting to be legalised. Nothing could be more outlandish.”

1. What the phuck is ICL? Is ICL not another business venture with only profits at heart? Is ICL created to further cricket in India? I don't understand what KD's point is here. Sure IPL is a business venture, of the same kind as ICL. So is KD spitting on ICL too? Is ICL a tamasha too? Oh, I forgot. There is no cheer leading in ICL, so probably that is serious cricket and IPL is a tamasha, right Paaji?

2. Do I see a hint (or bucketful) of jealousy here? You have nothing to do with IPL, Paaji. IPL is turning out to be a huge success, full of money for everyone involved with it. You seem to be missing out on that money even though you are considered one of the best cricketers India has produced. Is that why you are feeling jealous and calling IPL a 'tamasha'?

3. Legalizing betting - Paaji, are you for banning state run lottery or not? If yes, I can understand you feelings. If not, you are a bloody hypocrite. What is lottery if not betting on numbers? What is gambling if not betting on numbers? Why are lottery and gambling legalized? So that govt can enforce control over it, otherwise there will exist a huge underground mafia for it. Why is boxing still legal? KD doesn't care but the reality is that boxing is still legal so that it's controlling associations can exert laws and control over it. If not, there would be a huge underground boxing mafia and boxers would get killed or seriously hurt. Underground boxing would mean no-rules boxing matches. No one wants that, so boxing is legal and run within rules. Just an example for KD.


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He continued, “I feel sorry for the BCCI. I wonder what stopped it from marketing its domestic cricket. Wait and watch what happens to domestic cricket now. A youngster will learn the game in the domestic circuit and not the IPL.”

Paaji, please take your head out. You are sounding more and more incoherent.

1. In order for BCCI to market domestic cricket, there has to be a buyer, right? How many channels want to show live Ranji, Duleep, Deodhar, Irani trophy games? KD is associated with ZEE who owns ZEE Sports. Does ZEE Sports show any domestic games? If not, did KD ever ask them to show domestic games for the good of domestic cricket? Come on, Paaji. First see what you can do for that game because you are in a position of doing something, then ask what BCCI can do. I'm sure BCCI is not hesitating in selling TV and other rights of domestic games. I'm also sure that these games are shown on some channel, even if it is DD Sports. So what is KD saying, actually? What's his point about marketing?

2. Salaries of domestic players have nearly doubled, since the last contracts were written. Salaries of domestic umpires have doubled. Level D has been introduced in national contracts, to increase number of contracted players. Heck, how many had heard of Manpreet Singh Gony before IPL? That guy is a brand new guy from Punjab. IPL gave him a chance to showcase his talent on national stage. Isn't that an achievement? Don't every IPL team have to have 4 under-22 players? Isn't that bringing up new talent? Do see new players of every team talk to commentators about how they are learning new things by interacting with international players? Didn't you see MgGrath guide the young Delhi rookie in his over and the rookie bowled 2 consecutive yorkers? Isn't that learning? Would that rookie get the same lesson in Ranji games? A player can learn the game anywhere he wants to learn. I can guarantee the lessons Rajasthan players are getting from Shane Warne, Greame Smith, Kaif etc. are precious to them. They won't get these lessons in domestic cricket.


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The former India captain, known for his flamboyant style of cricket, observed how the culture of cricket had changed, from playing it to watching it too. “The jump has been too big for the administrators to handle. The BCCI is finished as an organisation.”

Why? “Because club culture, with the patronage of the administration, will command bigger loyalty than State or even country.”

1. Instead of talking from the place where your head is stuffed, people would appreciate if KD could make more coherent and comprehensible comments, rather than incoherent ramblings like BCCI is finished. I wonder what he means by that! I wonder if he himself know what he means by that!!

2. And what club culture? What is ICL if not a collection of club teams? Is it any different? Oh wait, I get it. ICL or ZEE do not run cricket in India. So they are free to do what they want to. What they do will not damage anything, but if BCCI does the same thing with more money, it will damage cricket in India. So, club culture of ICL is fine, but not of IPL. Wah re, Paaji ka logic!!!


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Does he visualise market forces and glamorous stars from the tinsel world taking over the game in the future. “I am sure even cricketers would soon resent and resist this invasion by film stars.”

I'm sure KD did not have the same sentiments when Mithun da was taking control of Bengal club team of ICL, right Paaji? When it is ICL, players will welcome invasion by film stars. When it is IPL they will resist. Sure, after a point SRK may become too much of a distraction for KKR and I'm sure they will let him know that. But that's between them and SRK. Why are you worried about it? Are you worried about Mithun da's invasion in Royal Bengal Tigers?


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Would that mean a Shah Rukh Khan becoming a 12th man or a Priyanka Chopra carrying drinks during breaks. “It will happen because cricket has been reduced to business. The BCCI has not defined any rules for this tournament. What stops film stars from playing a T20 match in the IPL. What a farce!”

1. Film stars will not play in T20 games because they can't be selected in the team. The IPL rules clearly say who can be selected in a team. Film stars are not a part of that pool. So there...

2. Again, isn't ICL reducing cricket to business too? Pray tell me, what good motive is ICL having, when it comes to cricket? How is ICL any different from IPL, other than being 1000 times less glamorous?

Take your head out, Paaji...


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So what impact would it have on the game? “Huge,” asserts Kapil. “In times to come you would see teams struggling to survive even 50 overs to save a match because of the mindset of the modern batsmen. I don’t think you will ever get a player like Sunil Gavaskar or Rahul Dravid now. You will get lot of these Twenty20 players, more of the (Virender) Sehwag and (MS) Dhoni variety. This game is for batsmen only. The best bowlers are getting slammed.”

1. Wasn't the same thing said about ODIs? That they will destroy test cricket? Yet, we have SRT, RD, VVS coming out from ranks, despite ODIs. Now we have Rohit Sharma, an elegant player, coming out from 20/20 cricket. We have GG. Not every player can be SMG or RD. Why should any one try to be like SMG or RD? They shouldn't. If they want to be selected in test team, they should bring their skill level to such a point that they are considered good enough to be selected. They don't have to be like SMG or RD. They can be themselves, they can be ABC, XYZ and still get selected because they are good enough to play tests.

2. If you took out your head from the stuffed place, you will notice that VS is the only Indian to score 300 runs in Tests. Not once, but twice. It is his ODI style of batting that has helped him in achieving that. For all their skill, talent, style and what-the-phuck-ever else, SMG, SRT, RD, VVS, SG were not able to score 300 runs even once in their entire careers, and will not be able to do so (in all probability). So, why the phuck should any domestic player try to emulate these people? Why not emulate VS, who did what no other Indian cricketer has ever done before?
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Re: I feel sorry for the game: Kapil
« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2008, 04:25:49 AM »
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You will get lot of these Twenty20 players, more of the (Virender) Sehwag and (MS) Dhoni variety
Is he suggesting that they are not suited for Tests? One of them with 2 triple hundreds! If anything KD would have been ideal T20 material. Would that have made him any less suited for the other versions?
All this doomsday talk of T20 ruining Tests etc is hogwash. We had the same thing when ODI's started to get popular in the early day's of its inception.
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Re: I feel sorry for the game: Kapil
« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2008, 04:44:01 AM »
I don't need to disagree with his views to feel sorry for him.

so, you feel sorry for him for his cricketing ability  ???

Where did you infer that from?

I feel sorry that he is so marginalized and speaks with apparent pain. If there is one sporting moment that stands above all else in my mind (and dare I say most Indians who saw it) - it was Kapil Dev lifting the World Cup on June 25th 1983. If Tendulkar is called god now, I don't know what adjective to use to capture the international adulation for Kapil, then. For his part in making the limited version popular in India, and making India competitive in it, Kapil is a national treasure.

He raises some valid points, but it seems mired in the ICL marginalization pain. Neither are deserved.
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Re: I feel sorry for the game: Kapil
« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2008, 05:45:14 AM »
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Kapil counters, “What entertainment? Cricket itself is entertainment. Sport is entertainment. It doesn’t need gimmicks to boost its market. For years we have had stadiums full because they came to watch batsmen and bowlers, wickets and catches, runs and sixes, and not wildly swinging hips.”

1. Wasn't it in ICC World 20/20 Cup, that we first saw cheerleaders being introduced in cricket. That tournament was sponsored by ICC, run by ICC, accredited by ICC. So it is not like it is BCCI that is introducing cheerleaders and DJs in 20/20 cricket. They are merely following what the governing body started. So if KD can get his head out and remember a little bit of history, he would probably not be making such comments that show how ignorant he is.

Ruchir,
I will have to reply point-by-point to your post but since it is kbanesque and it is 1 am here...i don't see where kapil blames BCCI for this? i think he's blaming the 20/20 culture which doesnt necessarily count on the clean hitting ability of a kapil deve to bring in the spectators.
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Re: I feel sorry for the game: Kapil
« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2008, 05:46:15 AM »
I don't need to disagree with his views to feel sorry for him.

so, you feel sorry for him for his cricketing ability  ???

Where did you infer that from?

I feel sorry that he is so marginalized and speaks with apparent pain. If there is one sporting moment that stands above all else in my mind (and dare I say most Indians who saw it) - it was Kapil Dev lifting the World Cup on June 25th 1983. If Tendulkar is called god now, I don't know what adjective to use to capture the international adulation for Kapil, then. For his part in making the limited version popular in India, and making India competitive in it, Kapil is a national treasure.

He raises some valid points, but it seems mired in the ICL marginalization pain. Neither are deserved.

My apologies. I was confused after your cryptic line earlier! But what you say here, I'm in agreement with 200%.
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Re: I feel sorry for the game: Kapil
« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2008, 10:24:43 AM »
Kapil was one of the first to jump onto the tamasha/circus bandwagon. at that time he said it would betterthe game now he is saying it is spoiling it. I agree with the latter statement to a degree. But come on its rich coming from him. its just that his league isnt rich enough. Sorry but he jumped onto the wrong horse.

Dex his cricketing ability is beyond question here. For me it is his integrity and straightforwardness that seems pretty dodgy . would he still be b***hing had the ICL done well? i think not.
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Re: I feel sorry for the game: Kapil
« Reply #13 on: May 10, 2008, 03:20:50 PM »
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Kapil counters, “What entertainment? Cricket itself is entertainment. Sport is entertainment. It doesn’t need gimmicks to boost its market. For years we have had stadiums full because they came to watch batsmen and bowlers, wickets and catches, runs and sixes, and not wildly swinging hips.”

1. Wasn't it in ICC World 20/20 Cup, that we first saw cheerleaders being introduced in cricket. That tournament was sponsored by ICC, run by ICC, accredited by ICC. So it is not like it is BCCI that is introducing cheerleaders and DJs in 20/20 cricket. They are merely following what the governing body started. So if KD can get his head out and remember a little bit of history, he would probably not be making such comments that show how ignorant he is.

Ruchir,
I will have to reply point-by-point to your post but since it is kbanesque and it is 1 am here...i don't see where kapil blames BCCI for this? i think he's blaming the 20/20 culture which doesnt necessarily count on the clean hitting ability of a kapil deve to bring in the spectators.

Exquezee, but where is KD talking about clean hitting? He is talking about swinging hips and entertainment. Anyways, did KD make the same comments when 20/20 world cup was going on? If not, then it surely means that he is blaming BCCI for introducing cheerleaders in IPL. And what is this so-called 20/20 culture that doesn't count on clean hitting? Tell me the name of one batsman who has changed his game to bring in unclean hitting. Has RS changed his game? SG, VVS, MSD, SG, GS, GG, SR... the list can go on and on and on. Which batsman has resorted to ugly hitting in 20/20, when he is an elegant test or ODI player? I don't believe that a batsman can change his style of batting and be successful at it. Any player does well when he do things that come naturally to him, not things that he forces himself to do. All the successful batsmen in IPL have not resorted to ugly hitting to be successful in IPL. They are batting the way they would bat in any format.
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« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2008, 07:26:45 PM »
robin utthappa. started off as an excellent player now is reducing himself to a hoick and a scoop player.  >:(
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Re: I feel sorry for the game: Kapil
« Reply #15 on: May 13, 2008, 04:42:12 PM »
haha ... one who heads the ICL is now blaming the board for promoting T20 and cheerleaders & filmstars and spoiling the cricket ... what utter nonsense!!

last time i noticed, icl was also a business venture, had cheerleaders, was played in t20 format, had filmstars (mithun owning a side) as well as item girls dancing away - of course the koena mitra, mink variety ...

talk about hypocricy
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« Reply #16 on: May 13, 2008, 05:28:59 PM »
haha ... one who heads the ICL is now blaming the board for promoting T20 and cheerleaders & filmstars and spoiling the cricket ... what utter nonsense!!

last time i noticed, icl was also a business venture, had cheerleaders, was played in t20 format, had filmstars (mithun owning a side) as well as item girls dancing away - of course the koena mitra, mink variety ...

talk about hypocricy
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dextrous 0 172 Last post January 18, 2008, 02:28:32 PM
by dextrous
CP, You will feel good.
The Indian View
hastalavistababy 0 263 Last post February 15, 2008, 10:06:46 PM
by hastalavistababy