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Re: IPL . Match 25 - Bangalore Royal Challengers v/s Kings XI Punjab
« Reply #40 on: May 05, 2008, 04:11:22 PM »
3 runouts+some stupid shots...also, though he played weel, Dravid should have stayed till the end, then BRC could have 10/15 more runs... :-X
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Re: IPL . Match 25 - Bangalore Royal Challengers v/s Kings XI Punjab
« Reply #41 on: May 05, 2008, 04:12:55 PM »
VRV's fielding was really rivaling Munaf's attempts. Pathetic fielding by Kings XI. They could have easily stopped BRC at around 100 or 110 had they fielded better.
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Re: IPL . Match 25 - Bangalore Royal Challengers v/s Kings XI Punjab
« Reply #42 on: May 05, 2008, 04:20:54 PM »
BRC don't have good openers nor good allrounders... PK should always open  and White should come at 5/6
Yes ..PK should be promoted up the order, if they have to make any serious score. He may score one in 5 , but atleast BRC will have a chance in that one.
I was hoping BRC reach 140 + but this may be tough to defend as PKings may not go ballaistic from ball one.
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Re: IPL . Match 25 - Bangalore Royal Challengers v/s Kings XI Punjab
« Reply #43 on: May 05, 2008, 04:54:19 PM »
Easy going so far from PKXI .
60/1 at 7.2.
Hope once they reach 85-90 , try to get better NRR
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Re: IPL . Match 25 - Bangalore Royal Challengers v/s Kings XI Punjab
« Reply #44 on: May 05, 2008, 05:05:55 PM »
even the south africans have forgotten how to do basic fielding!
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Re: IPL . Match 25 - Bangalore Royal Challengers v/s Kings XI Punjab
« Reply #45 on: May 05, 2008, 05:13:58 PM »
even the south africans have forgotten how to do basic fielding!
In company of pakistanis  ;D
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Re: IPL . Match 25 - Bangalore Royal Challengers v/s Kings XI Punjab
« Reply #46 on: May 05, 2008, 05:42:12 PM »
I can not understand why this Jaffer is played when he can not even play in an ODI ahead of Chanderpaul. You deserve what you get.
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Re: IPL . Match 25 - Bangalore Royal Challengers v/s Kings XI Punjab
« Reply #47 on: May 05, 2008, 05:50:29 PM »
I can not understand why this Jaffer is played when he can not even play in an ODI ahead of Chanderpaul. You deserve what you get.

propably coz he is better than the rest of the local batsman... Chanderpaul isnt an Indian Citizen...
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Re: IPL . Match 25 - Bangalore Royal Challengers v/s Kings XI Punjab
« Reply #48 on: May 05, 2008, 06:03:26 PM »
BRC losing a match.. just as expected  ::cheers:: ::cheers::

So it is a race to the bottom between DC and BRC!!
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Re: IPL . Match 25 - Bangalore Royal Challengers v/s Kings XI Punjab
« Reply #49 on: May 05, 2008, 06:15:30 PM »
i daresay BRC might win this one ! what an inns by dravid tho ! awesome !  :notworthy: :notworthy:
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Re: IPL . Match 25 - Bangalore Royal Challengers v/s Kings XI Punjab
« Reply #50 on: May 05, 2008, 06:23:59 PM »
when your best batsman takes up 8 + overs worth of balls with a SR of 130..whatever the circumstances.. in 20-20, you will lose!!
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Re: IPL . Match 25 - Bangalore Royal Challengers v/s Kings XI Punjab
« Reply #51 on: May 05, 2008, 06:25:02 PM »
huh ? what rubbish.
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Re: IPL . Match 25 - Bangalore Royal Challengers v/s Kings XI Punjab
« Reply #52 on: May 05, 2008, 07:19:49 PM »
when your best batsman takes up 8 + overs worth of balls with a SR of 130..whatever the circumstances.. in 20-20, you will lose!!

there was hardly any choice for RD...he did real good
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Re: IPL . Match 25 - Bangalore Royal Challengers v/s Kings XI Punjab
« Reply #53 on: May 05, 2008, 07:27:36 PM »
when your best batsman takes up 8 + overs worth of balls with a SR of 130..whatever the circumstances.. in 20-20, you will lose!!

there was hardly any choice for RD...he did real good

def. agree! just look at the scorecard!
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Re: IPL . Match 25 - Bangalore Royal Challengers v/s Kings XI Punjab
« Reply #54 on: May 06, 2008, 03:40:14 AM »
when your best batsman takes up 8 + overs worth of balls with a SR of 130..whatever the circumstances.. in 20-20, you will lose!!

there was hardly any choice for RD...he did real good

def. agree! just look at the scorecard!

From where BRC were - three down for next to nothing, agreed there was not much chance .. and RD had to buckle down, play himself in and then try to open up towards the end. I think the issue however is that this is probably the only way he will do well in this format - which is not such a good thing. If your top three do well, then someone like RD will never have the luxury of playing himself in for a few overs and then going for broke .. he will have to start from ball one. Unless ofcourse he is able to replicate the same kind of innings as an opener AND hope that the others will help spike the run rate upwards while he plays the anchor.
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Re: IPL . Match 25 - Bangalore Royal Challengers v/s Kings XI Punjab
« Reply #55 on: May 06, 2008, 03:51:53 AM »
when your best batsman takes up 8 + overs worth of balls with a SR of 130..whatever the circumstances.. in 20-20, you will lose!!

there was hardly any choice for RD...he did real good

def. agree! just look at the scorecard!

From where BRC were - three down for next to nothing, agreed there was not much chance .. and RD had to buckle down, play himself in and then try to open up towards the end. I think the issue however is that this is probably the only way he will do well in this format - which is not such a good thing. If your top three do well, then someone like RD will never have the luxury of playing himself in for a few overs and then going for broke .. he will have to start from ball one. Unless ofcourse he is able to replicate the same kind of innings as an opener AND hope that the others will help spike the run rate upwards while he plays the anchor.
Even in those circumstances.. if you take up close to 50% of the balls and score at 130SR .. the others will have to AVERAGE 170+ SR to get to a competitive total of 175+ .. not a good scenario. This Anchor-baazi in 20-20 can at most go for 20 balls.. after that one has to score fast or let others score.

BTW, I understand today's situation.. however, I continue to have my serious doubts about the utility of non-improvisers/risk-takers and/or high DBP players (like VVS, RD, SG) in this format.
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Re: IPL . Match 25 - Bangalore Royal Challengers v/s Kings XI Punjab
« Reply #56 on: May 06, 2008, 04:02:54 AM »
when your best batsman takes up 8 + overs worth of balls with a SR of 130..whatever the circumstances.. in 20-20, you will lose!!

there was hardly any choice for RD...he did real good

def. agree! just look at the scorecard!

From where BRC were - three down for next to nothing, agreed there was not much chance .. and RD had to buckle down, play himself in and then try to open up towards the end. I think the issue however is that this is probably the only way he will do well in this format - which is not such a good thing. If your top three do well, then someone like RD will never have the luxury of playing himself in for a few overs and then going for broke .. he will have to start from ball one. Unless ofcourse he is able to replicate the same kind of innings as an opener AND hope that the others will help spike the run rate upwards while he plays the anchor.
Even in those circumstances.. if you take up close to 50% of the balls and score at 130SR .. the others will have to AVERAGE 170+ SR to get to a competitive total of 175+ .. not a good scenario. This Anchor-baazi in 20-20 can at most go for 20 balls.. after that one has to score fast or let others score.

BTW, I understand today's situation.. however, I continue to have my serious doubts about the utility of non-improvisers/risk-takers and/or high DBP players (like VVS, RD, SG) in this format.

I agree. But, if he opens and plays the anchor, obviously he will (should) not have 50% of the strike.
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Re: IPL . Match 25 - Bangalore Royal Challengers v/s Kings XI Punjab
« Reply #57 on: May 06, 2008, 04:05:24 AM »
when your best batsman takes up 8 + overs worth of balls with a SR of 130..whatever the circumstances.. in 20-20, you will lose!!

there was hardly any choice for RD...he did real good

def. agree! just look at the scorecard!

From where BRC were - three down for next to nothing, agreed there was not much chance .. and RD had to buckle down, play himself in and then try to open up towards the end. I think the issue however is that this is probably the only way he will do well in this format - which is not such a good thing. If your top three do well, then someone like RD will never have the luxury of playing himself in for a few overs and then going for broke .. he will have to start from ball one. Unless ofcourse he is able to replicate the same kind of innings as an opener AND hope that the others will help spike the run rate upwards while he plays the anchor.
Even in those circumstances.. if you take up close to 50% of the balls and score at 130SR .. the others will have to AVERAGE 170+ SR to get to a competitive total of 175+ .. not a good scenario. This Anchor-baazi in 20-20 can at most go for 20 balls.. after that one has to score fast or let others score.

BTW, I understand today's situation.. however, I continue to have my serious doubts about the utility of non-improvisers/risk-takers and/or high DBP players (like VVS, RD, SG) in this format.

I agree. But, if he opens and plays the anchor, obviously he will (should) not have 50% of the strike.
depends on DBP!
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Re: IPL . Match 25 - Bangalore Royal Challengers v/s Kings XI Punjab
« Reply #58 on: May 06, 2008, 04:20:16 AM »
some ppl are just feeling sad that their doomsday predictions for maharathis like RD and VVS are not coming true  ;D ;D ;D
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Re: IPL . Match 25 - Bangalore Royal Challengers v/s Kings XI Punjab
« Reply #59 on: May 06, 2008, 04:29:40 AM »
when your best batsman takes up 8 + overs worth of balls with a SR of 130..whatever the circumstances.. in 20-20, you will lose!!

there was hardly any choice for RD...he did real good

def. agree! just look at the scorecard!

From where BRC were - three down for next to nothing, agreed there was not much chance .. and RD had to buckle down, play himself in and then try to open up towards the end. I think the issue however is that this is probably the only way he will do well in this format - which is not such a good thing. If your top three do well, then someone like RD will never have the luxury of playing himself in for a few overs and then going for broke .. he will have to start from ball one. Unless ofcourse he is able to replicate the same kind of innings as an opener AND hope that the others will help spike the run rate upwards while he plays the anchor.
Even in those circumstances.. if you take up close to 50% of the balls and score at 130SR .. the others will have to AVERAGE 170+ SR to get to a competitive total of 175+ .. not a good scenario. This Anchor-baazi in 20-20 can at most go for 20 balls.. after that one has to score fast or let others score.

BTW, I understand today's situation.. however, I continue to have my serious doubts about the utility of non-improvisers/risk-takers and/or high DBP players (like VVS, RD, SG) in this format.

If he had gone for a faster SR and thereby lost his wicket, BRC would have had another sub-100 total... atleats here he ensured they made a reasonable fight out of nothing..

Incidentally, Charu has taken a lot of flak from Mr Mallya...in the next edition, either Mallya walks off ( he may not knowing his penchant for a good fight) or Charu loses his job...the latter looks more likely... can't divulge more than this  ;)
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Re: IPL . Match 25 - Bangalore Royal Challengers v/s Kings XI Punjab
« Reply #60 on: May 06, 2008, 04:32:10 AM »
After every match of BRC, I feel for RD...he deserves better than what his team is currently giving him ....

What a batsman..and what a waste of talent trying his hand at a hit or miss lottery game
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Re: IPL . Match 25 - Bangalore Royal Challengers v/s Kings XI Punjab
« Reply #61 on: May 06, 2008, 04:32:53 AM »
he'd better. altho i fail to see why charu shud take all the flak. it is the cricket that is suffering. so it shud be the team of martin crowe, prasad, and yes, i hate to say it, but the captain rahul dravid who shud take the flak.
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Re: IPL . Match 25 - Bangalore Royal Challengers v/s Kings XI Punjab
« Reply #62 on: May 06, 2008, 04:35:34 AM »
RD has just proved that if you are a great batsman you can do well in this format also.

Nevetherless while the rest of his teammates suck here is what I hold against RD:
1) Adamancy - not playing chanderpaul, IMO a much better batsman than the likes of kohli, jaffer, white and in current form even kallis.
2) Showing undue faith in Jaffer and Kohli. In fact giving too much responsibility to a 19 year old.

I have been shouting my throat hoarse that chander should be in this team at the top. in today's game the 4 foreigners combined contributed less than 15 runs and less than 1 wicket. if despite all this he cannot fit in chanderpaul maybe he deserves to lose.
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Re: IPL . Match 25 - Bangalore Royal Challengers v/s Kings XI Punjab
« Reply #63 on: May 06, 2008, 04:37:25 AM »
Maybe Mallaya want's to know why the side is not playing either like a Test side (look at the run outs) or a T20 team?  :P
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Re: IPL . Match 25 - Bangalore Royal Challengers v/s Kings XI Punjab
« Reply #64 on: May 06, 2008, 04:40:40 AM »
exactly. i mean this is pathetic. people are calling this a test side but this side cannot even last 20 overs !! at least the indian test side did better than this in the ahmedabad test  ;D ;D ;D
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Re: IPL . Match 25 - Bangalore Royal Challengers v/s Kings XI Punjab
« Reply #65 on: May 06, 2008, 04:49:00 AM »
when your best batsman takes up 8 + overs worth of balls with a SR of 130..whatever the circumstances.. in 20-20, you will lose!!

there was hardly any choice for RD...he did real good

def. agree! just look at the scorecard!

From where BRC were - three down for next to nothing, agreed there was not much chance .. and RD had to buckle down, play himself in and then try to open up towards the end. I think the issue however is that this is probably the only way he will do well in this format - which is not such a good thing. If your top three do well, then someone like RD will never have the luxury of playing himself in for a few overs and then going for broke .. he will have to start from ball one. Unless ofcourse he is able to replicate the same kind of innings as an opener AND hope that the others will help spike the run rate upwards while he plays the anchor.
Even in those circumstances.. if you take up close to 50% of the balls and score at 130SR .. the others will have to AVERAGE 170+ SR to get to a competitive total of 175+ .. not a good scenario. This Anchor-baazi in 20-20 can at most go for 20 balls.. after that one has to score fast or let others score.

BTW, I understand today's situation.. however, I continue to have my serious doubts about the utility of non-improvisers/risk-takers and/or high DBP players (like VVS, RD, SG) in this format.

If he had gone for a faster SR and thereby lost his wicket, BRC would have had another sub-100 total... atleats here he ensured they made a reasonable fight out of nothing..

Incidentally, Charu has taken a lot of flak from Mr Mallya...in the next edition, either Mallya walks off ( he may not knowing his penchant for a good fight) or Charu loses his job...the latter looks more likely... can't divulge more than this  ;)
Seriously, what were Charu's qualifications to run the operations of a sports franchise...for that matter any organization. He was an anchor, for god's sake!

How can Mallya walk??? he is the friggin owner..unless he decides to sell..which I think is premature, given that it is not a commercial flop, yet!
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Re: IPL . Match 25 - Bangalore Royal Challengers v/s Kings XI Punjab
« Reply #66 on: May 06, 2008, 06:27:05 AM »
I felt that the match was won and lost at the toss yesterday . The pitch did a bit too much at the beginning and it is always a lost cause in T20s as you have very little time to try and adjust to the conditions . Anyhow , we have lost the match and there are no excuses , but such pitches should be encouraged . Full marks to Sree for the way he bowled . Maybe Chappel and Dravid saw some talent in this young lad as he came from literally no where into the Indian test team (his only claim to fame until then was bowling Sachin in the challengers series).
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« Reply #67 on: May 06, 2008, 06:31:23 AM »
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I felt that the match was won and lost at the toss yesterday . The pitch did a bit too much at the beginning
I am not in favour of such pitches. Both sides should have a level playing field. ;D
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Re: IPL . Match 25 - Bangalore Royal Challengers v/s Kings XI Punjab
« Reply #68 on: May 06, 2008, 09:02:23 AM »
nope. i dont feel the pitch changed much over the game. it was just that sree could exploit the conditions better than steyn and zak. but having said that two wickets in the first over is not the end of the world. kohli totally messed up with that run out. then RD showed him how to bat but again he totally messed up by throwing his wicket. even then the situation could have been salvaged but misbah showed a surprising inability against leg spin. so did praveen kumar. devraj patil acted like the biggest joker ever. so many mistakes and lacunae in the BRC side - you just cant blame the wicket.
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« Reply #69 on: May 06, 2008, 11:07:16 AM »
I am not saying that it became very easy for batting later on . But obviously the Kings XI knew the target score and they could relax and play a few quiet overs . Greg Chappel was right in commenting that the BRC bowlers were just trying too hard to get wickets and hence gave up many half-volleys . But , that happens when you are defending a mediocre score and attempt to do too many things especially when you know you have only 4 overs to attempt something. I felt the turning point was the dismissal of Misbah just as we were gaining some momemtum . Had he not got out we might have well ended up with 150-160 which would have been match-winning.
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Re: IPL . Match 25 - Bangalore Royal Challengers v/s Kings XI Punjab
« Reply #70 on: May 06, 2008, 11:15:52 AM »
misbah not being able to read chawlas googly is something remarkable. lot of teams, bowlers and coaches all over the world will have taken note of this vulnerability
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Re: IPL . Match 25 - Bangalore Royal Challengers v/s Kings XI Punjab
« Reply #71 on: May 06, 2008, 11:52:19 AM »
well, even SRT was unable to read Chawla's googly the first time he faced him.
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Re: IPL . Match 25 - Bangalore Royal Challengers v/s Kings XI Punjab
« Reply #72 on: May 06, 2008, 12:46:31 PM »
nope. i dont feel the pitch changed much over the game. it was just that sree could exploit the conditions better than steyn and zak. but having said that two wickets in the first over is not the end of the world. kohli totally messed up with that run out. then RD showed him how to bat but again he totally messed up by throwing his wicket. even then the situation could have been salvaged but misbah showed a surprising inability against leg spin. so did praveen kumar. devraj patil acted like the biggest joker ever. so many mistakes and lacunae in the BRC side - you just cant blame the wicket.

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Re: IPL . Match 25 - Bangalore Royal Challengers v/s Kings XI Punjab
« Reply #73 on: May 06, 2008, 05:33:37 PM »
Seriously, what were Charu's qualifications to run the operations of a sports franchise...for that matter any organization. He was an anchor, for god's sake!

And Rahul Dravid isn't one?
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Re: IPL . Match 25 - Bangalore Royal Challengers v/s Kings XI Punjab
« Reply #74 on: May 06, 2008, 06:01:47 PM »
I have never seen ANY player get LBW in the 16th over of a T20 innings PLAYING A FREAKING FORWARD DEFENSIVE shot!!!

AND Mis Bah that much did that TWICE IN A ROW. WHAT A FREAKING IDIOT!!!
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