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[Zacked]

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[ramshorns]

Rams,
Do you seriously believe VVS belongs to the team here  either as a Captain or a batsman in this form of game ?

The same question can be asked of Dravid, Sachin, Ganguly etc.  I say wait till the a chunk of the games are played out before making calls on players. Yes for Hyderabad, VVS is the man to lead in this brand of cricket since it is only entertainment.  Nothing more nothing less. A brand ambassador who over the years have played great knocks and done the city proud.  I could care less how well he does as a player, as long as the team does ok.  They bought players to that end to meet their needs.

Since when SRT joined the league of VVS in shorter version of game?

From the time I decided to.

Oh right forgot i had a term for you. What was that?

Who cares?

Right I saw your types complaining to Mods here once when called that 
 

What you think you own rights to name calling or what? And what is so great and chest beating about it.  You shold probably be ashamed of it hiding behind those silly smileys.

It wasnty name calling but a right name to describe likes of you. I wasnt abusing you. no need for that. the word fits you like T. And someone who compares VVS and SRT in shorter form of game surely not be taken seriously. So yeah as you said who gives a f.

And I compared SRT to VVS in shorter version, so that shows how well you read the posts.  Who the freakin cares if you take some one's posts seriously or not.  Take a chill pill and stop descrbing people, if you do not concur with them.  It takes 20 sec. for me to get even if I have to describe you, which I would resist and never do it.

[ramshorns]

I think a change of pace needed, Ojha should be given a bowl right away.

[ramshorns]

I would say I am a little disappointed.  I would want to see someone better than a Bangar at first change.  That does not inspire me at all.  They need to accomodate Zoysa into the lineup somehow, if it means benching Afridi for the next game.  You cannot have all batters.  Then for Venu bring in Ravi Teja.  That is the minimum I want to see.

[ruchir]

VS asking crowd to applaud hi 50 

[ramshorns]

Of all the things I say about VVS, he needs to know better than bring of all people Bangar at first change, why not use up all your best 3 bowlers up front even if it meant bringing a spinner first change.  A score of 142 asks for desperate measures. 

[cricinfo]

Delhi is rocking !!! And they are depending on just desi batsmen....very good to see that

[ramshorns]

I would have to say VVS needs to better prepare for games.  Batting of his should be least of his concerns.  All he need to focus is captaincy and let the players who are paid the big bucks do the work for him.  It is only a 20 over game and you have resources. So try fitting the right pieces.  They need to re-tool their lineup.  A team with Venu and VVS appearing in top 3 slots is a no-no.  Let Ravi Teja open along with Gilly in the next game and bring in Zoysa in place of Afridi since they can have only 4 international players.  Then once Symmonds leaves they can have Afridi back.

[ramshorns]

I told you Ojha is good.  Should have brought him on early.  Gilly making a mess of a simple stumping of Sehwag who was not given out LBW earlier.  Misses like that can be costly down the road.

[Vick]

Delhi is rocking !!! And they are depending on just desi batsmen....very good to see that

HOHOHOHO

 
12.6 Symonds to Sehwag, SIX 
12.5 Symonds to Sehwag, FOUR, oh this is like X-box cricket! Four more, pulled over midwicket, what an over! 
12.4 Symonds to Sehwag, SIX, good grief, now he's smashed him over cover! Sehwag is on a roll, just stepping aside and carving the ball for another flat six 
12.3 Symonds to Sehwag, FOUR, banged in short, he gets up on one leg and rolls the wrists, pulling into the ground behind square leg and the sweeper running around, Ojha, dives and lets the ball go away  
12.2 Symonds to Sehwag, SIX, flat six, as Sehwag just picks the length up and carries through with a pull over square leg, lovely stuff  
12.1 Symonds to Sehwag, FOUR, hooooooooooo! Sehwag wants to fly out of Hyderabad as soon as possible, again clearing the front leg and slamming Symonds over extra cover  
 
 
MORE TO COME, STAY TUNED

[LosingNow]

Veeerooo takes AS for 30 runs.

[cricinfo]

i am very surprised to see such utter lack of planning from the fielding side...Gilly/Symo all these are experienced guys ...where is the teamwork in strategising

btw i read it in ABP that VVS is slotted in as Captain-in-line in case MSD and AK are not available for test captainship...as guys inside BCCI want to keep SG out of the equation(even though SG categorically said he does not want to captain the side anymore)


now VVS is not doing any favours to himself with such stupidities !!

[ramshorns]

WN:I am sure you are very disgusted at this.  Understandable.  I think VS and team played great and are deserving winners for the game.  Time for DC's to pull up their socks and gets their act together or else there will a lot of disappointed souls around Hyd.

[Vick]

DDD is the desi team. First time an Indian is going to claim MOM. Go VS. and Thanks for kicking DC's behind royally.  

[OldPal]

I thought the pitch wasn't good to bat   

[cricinfo]

DDD is the desi team. First time an Indian is going to claim MOM. Go VS. and Thanks for kicking DC's behind royally.  

well Batting wise they are ...but there bowling is not desi, that way KKR is  desi bowling team..

so KKR and DDD contest will be funny ....

Desi batsmen facing Desi bowlers and videshi batsmen facing videshi bowlers  

[arjun]

As I predicted before the match, lack of quality bowlers has hurt Deccan. Plus the team does not look to have any bonding or team spirit. Bad thing is I am not going to win my fantasy league.

[cricinfo]

I thought the pitch wasn't good to bat   

I am thinking they were over-confident of their abilities , but still pros like Gilly/Symo shouldnt have fallen into that kind of mind set, coach and captain should do something about it !!

[ramshorns]

I thought the pitch wasn't good to bat   

I am thinking they were over-confident of their abilities , but still pros like Gilly/Symo shouldnt have fallen into that kind of mind set, coach and captain should do something about it !!

To me that is an excuse. They are beaten fair and square at home by a better team today who showed better ability on the day.  So Gilly and Symmo and others needs to earn their money in the coming games.  But young Rohit did very well though and needs to be singled out for some well deserved praise.

[Vick]

DDD is the desi team. First time an Indian is going to claim MOM. Go VS. and Thanks for kicking DC's behind royally.  

well Batting wise they are ...but there bowling is not desi, that way KKR is  desi bowling team..

so KKR and DDD contest will be funny ....

Desi batsmen facing Desi bowlers and videshi batsmen facing videshi bowlers  

Even there you have decent desi guys in Yo Man, Bhatia, Sangwan and Amit Mishra. And another point is most of the videshi guys are going to play all the games unlike some other teams. On that fornt Mumbai and Delhi are well placed. Banglore also may benefit from their picking SA guys.

[Vick]

I thought the pitch wasn't good to bat   

I am thinking they were over-confident of their abilities , but still pros like Gilly/Symo shouldnt have fallen into that kind of mind set, coach and captain should do something about it !!

How about giving some credit to McGrath and his clone for some awesome bowling?

[LosingNow]

WN:I am sure you are very disgusted at this.  Understandable.  I think VS and team played great and are deserving winners for the game.  Time for DC's to pull up their socks and gets their act together or else there will a lot of disappointed souls around Hyd.

It was much more than VS.. we lost this match with our batting line up, VS just performed the last rites..

Come on, VR and VVS in top 3 is a recipe for disaster...they both do not belong on the  20-20 field!!

Oh well..

[ramshorns]

WN:I am sure you are very disgusted at this.  Understandable.  I think VS and team played great and are deserving winners for the game.  Time for DC's to pull up their socks and gets their act together or else there will a lot of disappointed souls around Hyd.

It was much more than VS.. we lost this match with our batting line up, VS just performed the last rites..

Come on, VR and VVS in top 3 is a recipe for disaster...they both do not belong on the  20-20 field!!

Oh well..

That is what I said as well, VS and team.  Now coming to the next game it should read.

Gilly/RaviTeja/Laxman/Symonds/Rohit Sharma/Arjun Yadav/Styris/Vaas/RP Singh/Ojha/Sarvesh Kumar

[gouravk]

i think the crucial point was sehwag's dropped catch . you CANNOT drop players like sehwag in 2020. the other sanjay bangar - he is a third grade bowler and should never be handed the ball. the third - why is symonds not bowling spin ? half his effectiveness is lost if he bowls seam-up.

[OldPal]

Rohit belongs in KKR . Shahrukh where are you ..

Why?

Yeah, I wonder too.....I think he belongs to Hyd. as Laxman wanted him at all costs and landed him for a lofty 900k.

Oh.. that is because , I thought KKR had an ubbeatable batting line up. how could they miss on RS.

[ramshorns]

i think the crucial point was sehwag's dropped catch . you CANNOT drop players like sehwag in 2020. the other sanjay bangar - he is a third grade bowler and should never be handed the ball. the third - why is symonds not bowling spin ? half his effectiveness is lost if he bowls seam-up.

That is what bothers me more than losing.  Boneheaded decision.....Bangar as much as I admire players like him who gut it out in the domestics and give it their all just are not first change bowlers in a professional set up.

[gouravk]

but to be honest - there is no good backup pace bowler - is there ? there is only nuywan zoysa and he is an overseas player ...

[OldPal]

i think the crucial point was sehwag's dropped catch . you CANNOT drop players like sehwag in 2020. the other sanjay bangar - he is a third grade bowler and should never be handed the ball. the third - why is symonds not bowling spin ? half his effectiveness is lost if he bowls seam-up.

That is what bothers me more than losing.  Boneheaded decision.....Bangar as much as I admire players like him who gut it out in the domestics and give it their all just are not first change bowlers in a professional set up.

There were more decisions flawed than this one .
They lost 75% of  game by their batting. While RS made up a little at end , but at no stage you want Venu and VVS in middle and for longer period.
When Giily was out RS,Afridi or Symmonds should have been send. VVSl could fit in if Venu had gone. Being too bookish and knowledgble are not what is captaincy about. You have to be street smart capabale of making instinctive decisions. That is why MSD, VS etc would do better than likes of VVS or RD( He was still OK , a little more defensive like his bat though)

[gouravk]

agree but we cant really blame the likes of venu and vvs too much if superstars like gilly symonds are failing miserably.

[ramshorns]

but to be honest - there is no good backup pace bowler - is there ? there is only nuywan zoysa and he is an overseas player ...

A flawed selection.  If they wanted both Afridi and Symonds, they could have easily replaced Venu with a bowler like Kalyanakrishna or a Sarvesh Kumar and have Afridi open.

[gouravk]

hmm .. ok .. i never heard of them ...

i think a couple of things are becoming clearer.

as the tournament progresses the following teams will do well:
1. those that have a good bowling attack (a combined attack, not one star bowler)
2. those that have good indian players and possibly, local players.

star studded teams like mohali and hyderabad failing at the start is enough indication of that.

[ramshorns]

i think the crucial point was sehwag's dropped catch . you CANNOT drop players like sehwag in 2020. the other sanjay bangar - he is a third grade bowler and should never be handed the ball. the third - why is symonds not bowling spin ? half his effectiveness is lost if he bowls seam-up.

That is what bothers me more than losing.  Boneheaded decision.....Bangar as much as I admire players like him who gut it out in the domestics and give it their all just are not first change bowlers in a professional set up.

There were more decisions flawed than this one .
They lost 75% of  game by their batting. While RS made up a little at end , but at no stage you want Venu and VVS in middle and for longer period.
When Giily was out RS,Afridi or Symmonds should have been send. VVSl could fit in if Venu had gone. Being too bookish and knowledgble are not what is captaincy about. You have to be street smart capabale of making instinctive decisions. That is why MSD, VS etc would do better than likes of VVS or RD( He was still OK , a little more defensive like his bat though)

Yes definitely they could have done things differently starting with the selection.  It is all about chemistry and team work.

[Vick]

i think the crucial point was sehwag's dropped catch . you CANNOT drop players like sehwag in 2020. the other sanjay bangar - he is a third grade bowler and should never be handed the ball. the third - why is symonds not bowling spin ? half his effectiveness is lost if he bowls seam-up.

But a similar bowler in Rajat Bhatia have done quite well in last two games. I dont think DC's lost because of Bangar they lost because their top order failed to perform and also because DDD's front line bowlers were way too good for them.

[Vick]

i think the crucial point was sehwag's dropped catch . you CANNOT drop players like sehwag in 2020. the other sanjay bangar - he is a third grade bowler and should never be handed the ball. the third - why is symonds not bowling spin ? half his effectiveness is lost if he bowls seam-up.

That is what bothers me more than losing.  Boneheaded decision.....Bangar as much as I admire players like him who gut it out in the domestics and give it their all just are not first change bowlers in a professional set up.

There were more decisions flawed than this one .
They lost 75% of  game by their batting. While RS made up a little at end , but at no stage you want Venu and VVS in middle and for longer period.
When Giily was out RS,Afridi or Symmonds should have been send. VVSl could fit in if Venu had gone. Being too bookish and knowledgble are not what is captaincy about. You have to be street smart capabale of making instinctive decisions. That is why MSD, VS etc would do better than likes of VVS or RD( He was still OK , a little more defensive like his bat though)

Totally agree. And thats the reason i like MSD and VS as captain a lot. They seems to be always aware of match situation.

[LosingNow]

i think the crucial point was sehwag's dropped catch . you CANNOT drop players like sehwag in 2020. the other sanjay bangar - he is a third grade bowler and should never be handed the ball. the third - why is symonds not bowling spin ? half his effectiveness is lost if he bowls seam-up.

That is what bothers me more than losing.  Boneheaded decision.....Bangar as much as I admire players like him who gut it out in the domestics and give it their all just are not first change bowlers in a professional set up.

There were more decisions flawed than this one .
They lost 75% of  game by their batting. While RS made up a little at end , but at no stage you want Venu and VVS in middle and for longer period.
When Giily was out RS,Afridi or Symmonds should have been send. VVSl could fit in if Venu had gone. Being too bookish and knowledgble are not what is captaincy about. You have to be street smart capabale of making instinctive decisions. That is why MSD, VS etc would do better than likes of VVS or RD( He was still OK , a little more defensive like his bat though)

Totally agree. And thats the reason i like MSD and VS as captain a lot. They seems to be always aware of match situation.

Eggjacktly..
..when it comes to captaincy .. VS, MSD (and Kaif) are street-smart/highly aware (in making decisions and leading/motivating teams) whereas VVS and RD are bookish. SG is somewhat in the middle and has an amazing eye for talent - I mean to pick McCullum, Ishant and pay them top $s..great decision!!

[LosingNow]

Chargers better get their act together fast.. they are playing Rajasthan on Thursday.. if they fail .. I think heads have to/will roll.. VVS better watch out.. this is not the BCCI anymore.. professional investors typically have a short leash for underperformers..the danger is "loss of interest" by the locals which means "loss of revenue".

[dextrous]

Chargers better get their act together fast.. they are playing Rajasthan on Thursday.. if they fail .. I think heads have to/will roll.. VVS better watch out.. this is not the BCCI anymore.. professional investors typically have a short leash for underperformers..the danger is "loss of interest" by the locals which means "loss of revenue".

or a famous comeback when theyre down n out...that can be a big story and revengue generator!

[cricinfo]

Chargers better get their act together fast.. they are playing Rajasthan on Thursday.. if they fail .. I think heads have to/will roll.. VVS better watch out.. this is not the BCCI anymore.. professional investors typically have a short leash for underperformers..the danger is "loss of interest" by the locals which means "loss of revenue".

or a famous comeback when theyre down n out...that can be a big story and revengue generator!

the trouble is 'icons are supposed to attract local fans'...so if a VVS performs badly and he is shunted out...the fan following of DC might suffer...this is something sponsors will like to avoid

[LosingNow]

Chargers better get their act together fast.. they are playing Rajasthan on Thursday.. if they fail .. I think heads have to/will roll.. VVS better watch out.. this is not the BCCI anymore.. professional investors typically have a short leash for underperformers..the danger is "loss of interest" by the locals which means "loss of revenue".

or a famous comeback when theyre down n out...that can be a big story and revengue generator!

the trouble is 'icons are supposed to attract local fans'...so if a VVS performs badly and he is shunted out...the fan following of DC might suffer...this is something sponsors will like to avoid

I was talking to a few folks in Hyderabad.. VVS is copping a lot of the blame for the 2 losses.. the local "icon support" can be fleeting if the losses pile up.

[ramshorns]

Chargers better get their act together fast.. they are playing Rajasthan on Thursday.. if they fail .. I think heads have to/will roll.. VVS better watch out.. this is not the BCCI anymore.. professional investors typically have a short leash for underperformers..the danger is "loss of interest" by the locals which means "loss of revenue".

or a famous comeback when theyre down n out...that can be a big story and revengue generator!

the trouble is 'icons are supposed to attract local fans'...so if a VVS performs badly and he is shunted out...the fan following of DC might suffer...this is something sponsors will like to avoid

I was talking to a few folks in Hyderabad.. VVS is copping a lot of the blame for the 2 losses.. the local "icon support" can be fleeting if the losses pile up.

So what will they do if they win 2 in a row.  To me it is very childish to flip flop after each game.  Granted a lot needs to be desired the way the team performed as a whole.  All the team needs is a win in the next game for the perspective to change.   I say give the team atleast a couple more games before drawing broad conclusions.  VVS is the captain and rightly so and that is all there is to it.  No need to second guess.  In my mind there is not a better person to lead 'Team Hyderabad'.