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Re: Ind vs SA- 2nd test Ahmedbad - reports+discussion+match thread
« Reply #400 on: April 05, 2008, 10:36:44 AM »
Steyn to Ganguly, OUT, Ganguly goes, that is a big wicket, fullish delivery, not much foot movement as he flashes at it. The outside edge lands in Boucher's hands. Ganguly was quite upset at the decision. There was a puff of dust as the ball left the bat, and the bat may have struck the pitch which might have been the sound the umpire heard.
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Re: Ind vs SA- 2nd test Ahmedbad - reports+discussion+match thread
« Reply #401 on: April 05, 2008, 10:37:25 AM »
what nonsense is KW talking? it was obvious that the snicko registered the bat hitting the ground! what a twat!
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Re: Ind vs SA- 2nd test Ahmedbad - reports+discussion+match thread
« Reply #402 on: April 05, 2008, 10:53:37 AM »
Once again Dada's wings are clipped at a convenient moment. Sydney 4th innings and here. Was it Doctrove or the new Kiwi?
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Re: Ind vs SA- 2nd test Ahmedbad - reports+discussion+match thread
« Reply #403 on: April 05, 2008, 10:57:16 AM »
SA commentators in general are twats. The leader of the pack is the abhorrent Barry Richards followed by Pat Symcox.  They are after all cut from the same cloth as Procter. The condescending tone is worse than the Aussies. I thought KW was better than the rest.
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Re: Ind vs SA- 2nd test Ahmedbad - reports+discussion+match thread
« Reply #404 on: April 05, 2008, 11:06:53 AM »
the umpire was Hill.

From cricinfo:

"Ganguly may well feel very aggrieved with his dismissal. He clearly chopped the bat onto the pitch as the ball passed him."
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Re: Ind vs SA- 2nd test Ahmedbad - reports+discussion+match thread
« Reply #405 on: April 05, 2008, 11:26:04 AM »
Thanks MT.
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Re: Ind vs SA- 2nd test Ahmedbad - reports+discussion+match thread
« Reply #406 on: April 05, 2008, 02:22:17 PM »
even if we bat to end of day 4 SA will win this test

at 95-3 batting heroics may just save the follow-on not the test  :( >:( :-\ :-[

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Re: Ind vs SA- 2nd test Ahmedbad - reports+discussion+match thread
« Reply #407 on: April 05, 2008, 02:25:07 PM »
The Wall has almost collapsed... Damn..
Terrible shot selection..could have easily left it alone

maybe maybe ... its time for him too ...

Can we save this one for posterity!
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Re: Ind vs SA- 2nd test Ahmedbad - reports+discussion+match thread
« Reply #408 on: April 05, 2008, 04:12:48 PM »
i would like to see a shakeup for the next test

this is the team id like to see

Sehwag
DRAVID
laxman
ganguly
YUVRAJ
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KARTHIK
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Re: Ind vs SA- 2nd test Ahmedbad - reports+discussion+match thread
« Reply #409 on: April 05, 2008, 04:28:48 PM »
Ishant needs to pass the fitness test first
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Re: Ind vs SA- 2nd test Ahmedbad - reports+discussion+match thread
« Reply #410 on: April 05, 2008, 04:34:47 PM »
I hate test losses...they sting more.. specially at home..and big ones to boot.

I am fuming at this loss.
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Re: Ind vs SA- 2nd test Ahmedbad - reports+discussion+match thread
« Reply #411 on: April 05, 2008, 04:39:43 PM »
yeah of course ishant needs to pass fit. if not then id rather bring someone from out of the cold like vrv singh ...
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Re: Ind vs SA- 2nd test Ahmedbad - reports+discussion+match thread
« Reply #412 on: April 05, 2008, 04:49:05 PM »
i would like to see a shakeup for the next test

this is the team id like to see

Sehwag
DRAVID
laxman
ganguly
YUVRAJ
KAIF
KARTHIK
kumble
harbhajan
sreesanth
ISHANT


agree with u, time to drop MSD and him the msg..PP shud be drafted in
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Re: Ind vs SA- 2nd test Ahmedbad - reports+discussion+match thread
« Reply #413 on: April 05, 2008, 04:53:03 PM »
Is Kumble fit? If he is not.. and MSD is "rested".. who will captain.. VVS?
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Re: Ind vs SA- 2nd test Ahmedbad - reports+discussion+match thread
« Reply #414 on: April 05, 2008, 04:56:30 PM »
Is Kumble fit? If he is not.. and MSD is "rested".. who will captain.. VVS?

Dada  ;D
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Re: Ind vs SA- 2nd test Ahmedbad - reports+discussion+match thread
« Reply #415 on: April 05, 2008, 04:57:35 PM »
Is Kumble fit? If he is not.. and MSD is "rested".. who will captain.. VVS?

Dada  ;D

yup... then we can go back to the times of specialist captains in the playing 11
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Re: Ind vs SA- 2nd test Ahmedbad - reports+discussion+match thread
« Reply #416 on: April 05, 2008, 04:58:49 PM »
Is Kumble fit? If he is not.. and MSD is "rested".. who will captain.. VVS?

Dada  ;D
Nah.. wont happen. Let's get realistic
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Re: Ind vs SA- 2nd test Ahmedbad - reports+discussion+match thread
« Reply #417 on: April 05, 2008, 05:03:56 PM »
Is Kumble fit? If he is not.. and MSD is "rested".. who will captain.. VVS?

Dada  ;D
Nah.. wont happen. Let's get realistic

I think Kumble will play, but its time to drop WJ and MSD ... maybe we can replace them GG and PP
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Re: Ind vs SA- 2nd test Ahmedbad - reports+discussion+match thread
« Reply #418 on: April 05, 2008, 06:15:06 PM »
Ganguly lives for another battle

Jamie Alter in Ahmedabad

April 5, 2008

 
 
Unlike his top-order mates Sourav Ganguly was taking it to South Africa © AFP
 
 
 

Sourav Ganguly's innings of 87 on the third and final day of the Ahmedabad Test summarises the story of India's batting of late: some of the best performances have come when they've been written off, but they haven't always worn the favourites' tag well

The way India's day started, stumbling at base camp while staring up at Everest, it seemed defeat was perhaps a quick lunch or tea away. Enter Ganguly, in a way living on hope, like his team. Nothing in Perth, nothing in Adelaide, nothing in Chennai, a duck in the first innings here. There were reports before this Test suggesting the team management were in favour of picking Yuvraj Singh over him, so he could have well been batting for his place.

But he did it again, as at Lord's in 1996, where he came back from the wilderness, and against fierce criticism, to score a hundred on Test debut. Or as at the Wanderers, circa 2007, when he returned from exile to silence his critics. Ganguly has had his share of failures but it's usually been dangerous to write him off, like India.

As he had during his warm-up 83 in Potchefstroom, an innings that put him in excellent stead for his Johannesburg comeback, Ganguly's technique rarely failed him today. Standing upright in his crease, head balanced, body weight distributed, a short backlift allowing him to play straight, the lighter bat coming down well as he defended the fast bowlers confidently, he produced a gutsy innings.

Ganguly ducked Makhaya Ntini, left the ball gracefully, tucked off the hips, hopped across to defend, intent always writ across his brow. And then, just to remind us of what he's really capable of, he would occasionally lace Dale Steyn past mid-off or drive Morne Morkel for a silken straight four. A couple hard-handed defensives off Paul Harris dropped tantalizingly short of the fielder under the helmet, but he also rocked back to cut the left-arm spinner for four. And then there was the repeated sweep, a shot he has never pulled off efficiently.

Unlike his top-order mates he was taking it back to South Africa, relying on instinct. He was battling against adversity and thriving, like India abroad recently. But, like India, it's also dangerous to expect too much of Ganguly. Having pulled Steyn for two singles - it wasn't about the runs, it was the intent - he flashed at full one and was adjudged out, though the Snickometer said bat hit ground.

     
 

Ganguly overcame his demons 18 months ago to enjoy one last run at this level. India need to summon that same resolve as they battle to draw a series they were expected to win

 


   

 



"It was a pity he didn't get a hundred," his captain Anil Kumble said after the match. It was more of a pity that India sleepwalked through this Test. On seaming tracks in England and South Africa, and lively ones in Australia, they battled it out to notch inspired wins. Some of their most celebrated batting feats in recent memory, like in Perth, came when few expected it. Everyone spoke of the pace and bounce in Perth but India stunned Australia. By the same token, India drew in Chennai and surrendered on a distinctly Indian track in Cape Town . People expected a paata surface in Ahmedabad but India were jolted on a greenish track.

Expectancy, after their recent overseas highs, hurt India. They came to Ahmedabad amid talk of a spinners' surface, and crumbled embarrassingly on a green track the first day. This was their backyard and a venue on which they have had success but they looked overwhelmed, as if in a trance. The hunger was absent, the ticker slowed down. Faced with three days to try and salvage a Test, other top-ranked teams might have batted and batted but India collapsed from the start. The application was faulty against a revved-up pace attack - their minds seemed elsewhere.

"We have been in this situation before and we are confident we will bounce back," Kumble said. "Our record at Kanpur shows that we have done well there and we will be trying to do the same."

Ganguly overcame his demons 18 months ago to enjoy one last run at this level. India need to summon that same resolve as they battle to draw a series they were expected to win. Years from now, when Ganguly's role in Indian cricket will be explained to keen young minds by grey-haired seniors, his prodigal-son-like return at the Wanderers will perhaps be used to summarise just how frustratingly unique his career has been. Similarly, Ahmedabad 2008 may be looked back upon as a black mark in a chapter that holds some memorable highs.

Jamie Alter is a staff writer at Cricinfo

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Re: Ind vs SA- 2nd test Ahmedbad - reports+discussion+match thread
« Reply #419 on: April 05, 2008, 06:19:58 PM »
Ganguly lives for another battle

Jamie Alter in Ahmedabad

April 5, 2008

 
 
Unlike his top-order mates Sourav Ganguly was taking it to South Africa © AFP
 
 
 

Sourav Ganguly's innings of 87 on the third and final day of the Ahmedabad Test summarises the story of India's batting of late: some of the best performances have come when they've been written off, but they haven't always worn the favourites' tag well

The way India's day started, stumbling at base camp while staring up at Everest, it seemed defeat was perhaps a quick lunch or tea away. Enter Ganguly, in a way living on hope, like his team. Nothing in Perth, nothing in Adelaide, nothing in Chennai, a duck in the first innings here. There were reports before this Test suggesting the team management were in favour of picking Yuvraj Singh over him, so he could have well been batting for his place.

But he did it again, as at Lord's in 1996, where he came back from the wilderness, and against fierce criticism, to score a hundred on Test debut. Or as at the Wanderers, circa 2007, when he returned from exile to silence his critics. Ganguly has had his share of failures but it's usually been dangerous to write him off, like India.

As he had during his warm-up 83 in Potchefstroom, an innings that put him in excellent stead for his Johannesburg comeback, Ganguly's technique rarely failed him today. Standing upright in his crease, head balanced, body weight distributed, a short backlift allowing him to play straight, the lighter bat coming down well as he defended the fast bowlers confidently, he produced a gutsy innings.

Ganguly ducked Makhaya Ntini, left the ball gracefully, tucked off the hips, hopped across to defend, intent always writ across his brow. And then, just to remind us of what he's really capable of, he would occasionally lace Dale Steyn past mid-off or drive Morne Morkel for a silken straight four. A couple hard-handed defensives off Paul Harris dropped tantalizingly short of the fielder under the helmet, but he also rocked back to cut the left-arm spinner for four. And then there was the repeated sweep, a shot he has never pulled off efficiently.

Unlike his top-order mates he was taking it back to South Africa, relying on instinct. He was battling against adversity and thriving, like India abroad recently. But, like India, it's also dangerous to expect too much of Ganguly. Having pulled Steyn for two singles - it wasn't about the runs, it was the intent - he flashed at full one and was adjudged out, though the Snickometer said bat hit ground.

     
 

Ganguly overcame his demons 18 months ago to enjoy one last run at this level. India need to summon that same resolve as they battle to draw a series they were expected to win

 


   

 



"It was a pity he didn't get a hundred," his captain Anil Kumble said after the match. It was more of a pity that India sleepwalked through this Test. On seaming tracks in England and South Africa, and lively ones in Australia, they battled it out to notch inspired wins. Some of their most celebrated batting feats in recent memory, like in Perth, came when few expected it. Everyone spoke of the pace and bounce in Perth but India stunned Australia. By the same token, India drew in Chennai and surrendered on a distinctly Indian track in Cape Town . People expected a paata surface in Ahmedabad but India were jolted on a greenish track.

Expectancy, after their recent overseas highs, hurt India. They came to Ahmedabad amid talk of a spinners' surface, and crumbled embarrassingly on a green track the first day. This was their backyard and a venue on which they have had success but they looked overwhelmed, as if in a trance. The hunger was absent, the ticker slowed down. Faced with three days to try and salvage a Test, other top-ranked teams might have batted and batted but India collapsed from the start. The application was faulty against a revved-up pace attack - their minds seemed elsewhere.

"We have been in this situation before and we are confident we will bounce back," Kumble said. "Our record at Kanpur shows that we have done well there and we will be trying to do the same."

Ganguly overcame his demons 18 months ago to enjoy one last run at this level. India need to summon that same resolve as they battle to draw a series they were expected to win. Years from now, when Ganguly's role in Indian cricket will be explained to keen young minds by grey-haired seniors, his prodigal-son-like return at the Wanderers will perhaps be used to summarise just how frustratingly unique his career has been. Similarly, Ahmedabad 2008 may be looked back upon as a black mark in a chapter that holds some memorable highs.

Jamie Alter is a staff writer at Cricinfo

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Really! SG was battling for his place? That is what I call an alter-native opinion.
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Re: Ind vs SA- 2nd test Ahmedbad - reports+discussion+match thread
« Reply #420 on: April 05, 2008, 06:33:27 PM »
Cernu,Pips

Did not watch the dismissal, but in the part of the innings I was watching, I liked Kepler Wessels as a commentator. More often than not, he seemed to be talking sense, even though I would tend to overstimate him, when the the other commentators are Siva and Arun Lal.


By the way, was he an Australian who settled in SAF, or a SAFcan who settled in Australia for a test career and returned to SAF?
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« Reply #421 on: April 05, 2008, 07:16:08 PM »
Ganguly lives for another battle

Jamie Alter in Ahmedabad

April 5, 2008

 
 
Unlike his top-order mates Sourav Ganguly was taking it to South Africa © AFP
 
 
 

Sourav Ganguly's innings of 87 on the third and final day of the Ahmedabad Test summarises the story of India's batting of late: some of the best performances have come when they've been written off, but they haven't always worn the favourites' tag well

The way India's day started, stumbling at base camp while staring up at Everest, it seemed defeat was perhaps a quick lunch or tea away. Enter Ganguly, in a way living on hope, like his team. Nothing in Perth, nothing in Adelaide, nothing in Chennai, a duck in the first innings here. There were reports before this Test suggesting the team management were in favour of picking Yuvraj Singh over him, so he could have well been batting for his place.

But he did it again, as at Lord's in 1996, where he came back from the wilderness, and against fierce criticism, to score a hundred on Test debut. Or as at the Wanderers, circa 2007, when he returned from exile to silence his critics. Ganguly has had his share of failures but it's usually been dangerous to write him off, like India.

As he had during his warm-up 83 in Potchefstroom, an innings that put him in excellent stead for his Johannesburg comeback, Ganguly's technique rarely failed him today. Standing upright in his crease, head balanced, body weight distributed, a short backlift allowing him to play straight, the lighter bat coming down well as he defended the fast bowlers confidently, he produced a gutsy innings.

Ganguly ducked Makhaya Ntini, left the ball gracefully, tucked off the hips, hopped across to defend, intent always writ across his brow. And then, just to remind us of what he's really capable of, he would occasionally lace Dale Steyn past mid-off or drive Morne Morkel for a silken straight four. A couple hard-handed defensives off Paul Harris dropped tantalizingly short of the fielder under the helmet, but he also rocked back to cut the left-arm spinner for four. And then there was the repeated sweep, a shot he has never pulled off efficiently.

Unlike his top-order mates he was taking it back to South Africa, relying on instinct. He was battling against adversity and thriving, like India abroad recently. But, like India, it's also dangerous to expect too much of Ganguly. Having pulled Steyn for two singles - it wasn't about the runs, it was the intent - he flashed at full one and was adjudged out, though the Snickometer said bat hit ground.

     
 

Ganguly overcame his demons 18 months ago to enjoy one last run at this level. India need to summon that same resolve as they battle to draw a series they were expected to win

 


   

 



"It was a pity he didn't get a hundred," his captain Anil Kumble said after the match. It was more of a pity that India sleepwalked through this Test. On seaming tracks in England and South Africa, and lively ones in Australia, they battled it out to notch inspired wins. Some of their most celebrated batting feats in recent memory, like in Perth, came when few expected it. Everyone spoke of the pace and bounce in Perth but India stunned Australia. By the same token, India drew in Chennai and surrendered on a distinctly Indian track in Cape Town . People expected a paata surface in Ahmedabad but India were jolted on a greenish track.

Expectancy, after their recent overseas highs, hurt India. They came to Ahmedabad amid talk of a spinners' surface, and crumbled embarrassingly on a green track the first day. This was their backyard and a venue on which they have had success but they looked overwhelmed, as if in a trance. The hunger was absent, the ticker slowed down. Faced with three days to try and salvage a Test, other top-ranked teams might have batted and batted but India collapsed from the start. The application was faulty against a revved-up pace attack - their minds seemed elsewhere.

"We have been in this situation before and we are confident we will bounce back," Kumble said. "Our record at Kanpur shows that we have done well there and we will be trying to do the same."

Ganguly overcame his demons 18 months ago to enjoy one last run at this level. India need to summon that same resolve as they battle to draw a series they were expected to win. Years from now, when Ganguly's role in Indian cricket will be explained to keen young minds by grey-haired seniors, his prodigal-son-like return at the Wanderers will perhaps be used to summarise just how frustratingly unique his career has been. Similarly, Ahmedabad 2008 may be looked back upon as a black mark in a chapter that holds some memorable highs.

Jamie Alter is a staff writer at Cricinfo

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Really! SG was battling for his place? That is what I call an alter-native opinion.

Still shows why SG is the best seller.....why nothing worth needs to be written, just come up with something sensational involving SG....sad state of journalism
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« Reply #422 on: April 05, 2008, 07:41:43 PM »
I don't know about the others, but I got a sense that Ganguly was looking good for a huge hundred. He looked in supreme touch and his batting reminiscent of the post-Chappell period where he was the best test batsman in the team.
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« Reply #423 on: April 05, 2008, 07:55:51 PM »
well there is one batsman who can say that he did his best despite the first innings dissmissal. not enough and certainly no cheering from my side. a collective subjugation from the indian batting side. SG with his good performance does not escape the criticism.
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« Reply #424 on: April 05, 2008, 08:15:48 PM »
WV,

KW is a South afrcan --played for Aus and then returned to SA when they got their playing status.
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« Reply #425 on: April 05, 2008, 08:55:49 PM »
Price paid for yawning, napping...
- Bob Woolmer too deserves some credit for SA win

LOKENDRA PRATAP SAHI


Calcutta: Minutes into Day II of the first Test, a TV camera caught an Indian bowler yawning. Minutes into Test No.2, our famed batting line-up was caught napping.

That encouraged speedster Dale Steyn to mock big: “They probably didn’t have a strategy… They were bowled out for 76 and I guess that happens when you don’t have a game plan…”

Few would disagree.

Team India’s fate in Motera, off Ahmedabad, was sealed before lunch on Day I itself, but few would’ve imagined a rout inside three days.

That too at the hands of South Africa, a team once regarded as very poor travellers to the subcontinent.

Up in heaven, Bob Woolmer (the first Protean coach to highlight the need to tackle spinners aggressively) must surely have smiled on Saturday evening.

Mickey Arthur deserves kudos, of course, but some of the credit for South Africa’s fantastic win has to go Woolmer’s way. The process of not getting psyched out in the subcontinent was, after all, initiated by him in the mid-Nineties.

As things stand, the South Africans can’t lose the series (Future Cup being the trophy) and many would be tempted to bet on Graeme Smith being the victorious captain, just like the late Hansie Cronje, eight years ago.

Much was made of a solitary warm-up match for India before the recent Test series in Australia, but it’s worth noting that Smith and Co. decided against even one. They preferred, instead, to spend a few days at home after a physically demanding tour of Bangladesh.

Bottomline is that the South Africans had confidence, driven by plenty of self-belief.

Also, in the lead-up to the series, the visitors’ No.1 concern was mental conditioning coach Paddy Upton’s presence in the Team India dressing room. They weren’t exactly that worried about the Anil Kumbles and the Sachin Tendulkars.

Again, the South Africans had the confidence to deal with the strictly on-field issues.

While captain Kumble and coach Gary Kirsten have plenty of work ahead of the third and final Test, in Kanpur from Friday, questions need to be fired at the Board of Control for Cricket in India.

For the past few months, its priority has been the Indian Premier League (IPL). That, to say the least, has been unfortunate.

Nobody will go on record, but the IPL has been a distraction — the headline-making February 20 auction in Mumbai, in fact, was held during the tri-series in Australia and in the middle of the Duleep final — and there’s been a push for the IPL to upstage everything.

Those promoting the Chennai Super Kings, for example, need to be asked why they scheduled the formal launch during the first Test. Moreover, incredibly, Virender Sehwag was in Delhi for the unveiling of the DareDevils in the short break before Test No.2.

Why all this in the middle of a series with three back-to-back Tests?

Contrast the officially-sanctioned tamasha in India with the approach of the South Africans, many of whom will also feature in the IPL.

According to well-placed sources of The Telegraph, a member of the team management made the IPL-related ground rules very clear within a day of landing in India. Specifically, that he didn’t want “anything to do with the IPL being discussed even at the breakfast table.”

Clearly, among the South Africans, there’s been clarity over priorities.

http://www.telegraphindia.com/1080406/jsp/sports/story_9101736.jsp
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Re: Ind vs SA- 2nd test Ahmedbad - reports+discussion+match thread
« Reply #426 on: April 06, 2008, 05:15:12 AM »
steyn has first walked and then talked.  ::cheers::

We have expereinced both. now lets hope kumble and co are listening and they do the walking in the next test.
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Re: Ind vs SA- 2nd test Ahmedbad - reports+discussion+match thread
« Reply #427 on: April 06, 2008, 06:04:16 AM »
WV,

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Re: Ind vs SA- 2nd test Ahmedbad - reports+discussion+match thread
« Reply #428 on: April 07, 2008, 11:31:08 AM »
3 runs of 26 balls ;D ;D

cmon, WAAAY better than 0 off 2 balls!  ::Whip::  ::Whip:: can't wait to see threads arguing that! 
Actually...it is. not the runs..but the number of balls that was faced. !

yeah right, facing 26 balls and scoring 3 runs is somehow supposed to make it better  ?

scoring slow has detriments too - while on one side it shows the batsman lasted, on the flip side it shows that he got a chance to get his eye in. and by scoring slow, allowed the bowlers to get on top and work him out because the bowler gets an unchanged target.

at the end of the day when 2 of your batsmen score 0's and 2 others score 3, its an atrocious performance by the entire batting. but we still have the typical indian fan trying to show how 1 3 off 26 was better than one 0 off 2

Pathetic game of one upmanship!
Agree.. this is no time to blame one player more than the other. The all sucked and have to be blamed. 76 all out is not defensible.

The only player who really got my goat is MSD. That was truly a pathetic shot, under the circumstances. What was he thinking? Specially, when he is quite capable of playing the rear-guard role.. staying till lunch would have calmed everyone down.

Why get into these unwanted discussions... here is a case where the batsmen have failed in toto and have ensured that guys like Steyn can shoot their mouths off... and we take every opportunity to tread on someone's foot only to spite with no valuable logic to the post or the comment..

Best solution is to ignore... why respond when you believe that the entire issue is only to create disharmony. Some have moved on ...some are still in a time wrap ... let them be
....and this is valuable logic ?  and you could have done well by following your own advice instead of treading on someone else's foot.

You have no clue on what I am writing about...and by posting a response, you are treading on your own foot... best is to ignore you..and I'll do that with conviction
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