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Re: Ind vs SA- 2nd test Ahmedbad - reports+discussion+match thread
« Reply #40 on: March 31, 2008, 03:11:38 AM »
I have never seen the importance of having a third spinner. Usually thats an over indulgence. Since spinners can bowl all day ... and its not too much to expect a spinner to bowl 28-30 overs a day .... assuming new ball bowlers take 15-20 overs a day .... where is the need for the third spinner?

Plus u have the likes of Sehwag who can tweak it a bit if a break to main spinners is needed.


Bombay test against Australia
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Re: Ind vs SA- 2nd test Ahmedbad - reports+discussion+match thread
« Reply #41 on: March 31, 2008, 03:24:42 AM »
I have never seen the importance of having a third spinner. Usually thats an over indulgence. Since spinners can bowl all day ... and its not too much to expect a spinner to bowl 28-30 overs a day .... assuming new ball bowlers take 15-20 overs a day .... where is the need for the third spinner?

Plus u have the likes of Sehwag who can tweak it a bit if a break to main spinners is needed.


Bombay test against Australia

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Re: Ind vs SA- 2nd test Ahmedbad - reports+discussion+match thread
« Reply #42 on: March 31, 2008, 03:45:22 AM »
See the batting is pretty much covered with 5 main batsmen .. on these flat tracks.

Given SRT is sitting out and will comeback to his usual spot.. I feel it is a good time to groom a spinner on Indian tracks ..rather than trying a new bat in the middle-order who will be dropped when SRT is back.

I know VS can bowl the filler overs.. but I think it is time to groom the next gen spinner...and what better way then at home under somewhat lower pressure.
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Re: Ind vs SA- 2nd test Ahmedbad - reports+discussion+match thread
« Reply #43 on: March 31, 2008, 03:46:36 AM »
I have never seen the importance of having a third spinner. Usually thats an over indulgence. Since spinners can bowl all day ... and its not too much to expect a spinner to bowl 28-30 overs a day .... assuming new ball bowlers take 15-20 overs a day .... where is the need for the third spinner?

Plus u have the likes of Sehwag who can tweak it a bit if a break to main spinners is needed.



Bombay test against Australia

elaborate please

http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/64102.html
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Re: Ind vs SA- 2nd test Ahmedbad - reports+discussion+match thread
« Reply #44 on: March 31, 2008, 04:07:07 AM »
yes, and i think yuvraj deserves a test spot.
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Re: Ind vs SA- 2nd test Ahmedbad - reports+discussion+match thread
« Reply #45 on: March 31, 2008, 04:32:45 AM »
I have never seen the importance of having a third spinner. Usually thats an over indulgence. Since spinners can bowl all day ... and its not too much to expect a spinner to bowl 28-30 overs a day .... assuming new ball bowlers take 15-20 overs a day .... where is the need for the third spinner?

Plus u have the likes of Sehwag who can tweak it a bit if a break to main spinners is needed.



Bombay test against Australia

elaborate please

http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/64102.html



I would say this proves my point ... in such cases someone always gets underbowled
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Re: Ind vs SA- 2nd test Ahmedbad - reports+discussion+match thread
« Reply #46 on: March 31, 2008, 04:42:41 AM »
I would pick MK over PC.

I don't expect too much contribution from IKP or PC with the bat against Steyn and Morkel...

Mohammed Kaif or Murali Kartik  ;D
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Re: Ind vs SA- 2nd test Ahmedbad - reports+discussion+match thread
« Reply #47 on: March 31, 2008, 04:43:14 AM »
I have never seen the importance of having a third spinner. Usually thats an over indulgence. Since spinners can bowl all day ... and its not too much to expect a spinner to bowl 28-30 overs a day .... assuming new ball bowlers take 15-20 overs a day .... where is the need for the third spinner?

Plus u have the likes of Sehwag who can tweak it a bit if a break to main spinners is needed.



Bombay test against Australia

elaborate please

http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/64102.html



I would say this proves my point ... in such cases someone always gets underbowled

Yeah ZK
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Re: Ind vs SA- 2nd test Ahmedbad - reports+discussion+match thread
« Reply #48 on: March 31, 2008, 05:06:56 AM »

Sachin Tendulkar did not take the field on the fifth day after aggravating a groin strain © AFP
 
India's hopes of fielding a full-strength side for the second Test in Ahmedabad took a blow after Sachin Tendulkar was ruled out with a groin injury. Tendulkar missed part of the action on the first, second, fourth days and didn't take the field on the fifth day. Mohammad Kaif has been named as his replacement.

Tendulkar was advised two-weeks rest after the Australia tour and the then physio, John Gloster, in his fitness report, warned against the injury entering a chronic phase.

Why do players (even someone as experienced as SRT) continue to play when they know that they are not fully match fit?

This is so unprofessional.
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Re: Ind vs SA- 2nd test Ahmedbad - reports+discussion+match thread
« Reply #49 on: March 31, 2008, 05:15:25 AM »
I have never seen the importance of having a third spinner. Usually thats an over indulgence. Since spinners can bowl all day ... and its not too much to expect a spinner to bowl 28-30 overs a day .... assuming new ball bowlers take 15-20 overs a day .... where is the need for the third spinner?

Plus u have the likes of Sehwag who can tweak it a bit if a break to main spinners is needed.



Bombay test against Australia

elaborate please

http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/64102.html



I would say this proves my point ... in such cases someone always gets underbowled

Yeah ZK


nahin yaar .... Kumble got one over in the second innings.

On this pitch Clarke got 6 .... cant sehwag bowl as well as him?
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Re: Ind vs SA- 2nd test Ahmedbad - reports+discussion+match thread
« Reply #50 on: March 31, 2008, 08:31:35 AM »
Hopeful in Ahmedabad...
Author: Avinash Iyer Date: 31 Mar 2008
Kumble and his bowling brethren would expect something better in the next Test. Motera curator Parsanna and Gujarat regular Parthiv Patel are positive

 

 
 
Motera curator Dhiraj Parsanna
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THE Twenty20 era cannot afford pitches like the one dished out by the Chennai curator for the first India-South Africa Test match. Even though Virender Sehwag and Rahul Dravid experienced career highs, the pitch factor was a sore point.

Sporting wicket

For the sake of cricket, everyone is hoping something better for the second Test at Motera’s Sardar Patel Stadium starting from Thursday. And curator Dhiraj Parsanna promises he will provide it. “It will be a sporting wicket with something for everyone. We have had enough time to prepare the wicket and with two days to go, I am confident of producing a good one,” the former India spinner told MiD DAY yesterday.

The weather conditions to a large extent have a bearing on how the wicket plays and the climate in Ahmedabad in the past week has been in the 40s. So the players better be prepared to face the heat… literally.

Chennai curator K Parthasarathy said that unseasonable rains hampered pitch preparations, something that Parsanna refused to buy. “An experienced curator should take into account everything. There should be no excuse since the date of the match is known well in advance. I would not like to comment too much on the Chennai pitch, because every curator has a different philosophy,” said Parsanna.

Motera hosted its first Test in 1983-84 and Parsanna has been involved in pitch preparation for 20 of the 25 years.

Traditionally slow

India wicketkeeper Parthiv Patel has played a lot of cricket at the Sardar Patel Stadium and knows the wicket well enough. “The wicket for any match varies and depends on the grass cover, but here it always turns a bit and is traditionally slow,” said Parthiv.

Asked about how the wicket has played in the current season, he said: “We (Gujarat) have a good pace attack and so we always had grass on the wicket. I don’t think it will be a high-scoring draw like Chennai. I predict a definite result on this wicket.”

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Re: Ind vs SA- 2nd test Ahmedbad - reports+discussion+match thread
« Reply #51 on: March 31, 2008, 08:56:30 AM »
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Chennai curator K Parthasarathy said that unseasonable rains hampered pitch preparations
Strange to keep reading this, because in my book if the rains did hamper pitch preparations then we should have had an underprepared wicket and the match should have gotten over in 3 days. The one at Chennai looks like it had been put to sleep long before the rains came!
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Re: Ind vs SA- 2nd test Ahmedbad - reports+discussion+match thread
« Reply #52 on: March 31, 2008, 09:29:04 AM »
from the BBC comments section...  ;D

posted 2 Hours Ago

Badrinath cannot be officially selected in India fro Tests because he is from tamilnadu - the Punjabi and Marathi lobby in India run cricket and they do not like to see Tamilnadu players because we endorse English and repel Hindi as a foisted language

The age old hatred and dislike towards Tamilnadu is deeproote din the Indian culture - Tamil is an independant language and has no partaking with Urdu and Hindi - North Indians share more culturally with Pakistanis than they do with Tamilnadu people - this is again a culturae thing in a large country like India

Vegsarkar chose Karthik for a few matches becuase he married a girl from Mumbai - not a joke by the way


Hilarious!! ;D ;D

Great piece of fiction from some disgruntled Tamilnadu fan. In the last 11 which played for India, there were 2 from Karnataka, 1 from Andhra and 1 from Kerala. There was 1 from bengal and 1 from Jharkhand.I wonder what the South zone selector was doing when  Kaif's name was proposed.

Badrinath should take a cue from Karthick then, and marry someone from Delhi or Mumbai ...(sic)
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Re: Ind vs SA- 2nd test Ahmedbad - reports+discussion+match thread
« Reply #53 on: March 31, 2008, 02:17:04 PM »
My preferance on this would be MK over YS .
Last match against SL in Ahmd was over in 4 days , mostly dominated by spinners (obviously when Ind and SL play what else do you expect).
While YS is an excellent all round player , IMO the conditions of Ahmd will suit MK style of play(I think he will also play Harris better than YS).
From early readings and history of wicket, seems like , some of us may not have to criticise why RD was playing full toss, and full length on leg stumps defensively during third day(something that is RD's strength).

Regarding picking fast bowlers i am not to sure , that may depend on ground realities, based on what I saw last of IKP , Personally i am not to impressed with IKP ( the bolwer).  But RPS and SS have not lived upto expectations. Based on the available info would currently  play , SS and IS. I think IS will perform excellent on this wicket , given he is fit and can pick up form where he left. Also couple of reports and SAF players interviews have revealed their strategy against AK has worked so far, thus either Pacers have to take wicket or AK has to be a step ahead for us to make a mark in this test.

My preferred 11 would be:
WJ,VS,RD,MK,VVSL,SG,MSD,AK,HS,SS,IS



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Re: Ind vs SA- 2nd test Ahmedbad - reports+discussion+match thread
« Reply #54 on: March 31, 2008, 02:31:37 PM »
With all else being equal one should always give a chance to the player who wont be playing ODI's anyway. MK would be hungrier ... and it balances the workload of all the cricket being played.

Unfortunately Indian teams work on hierarchy... and YS is first in line .... despite his previous failure
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« Reply #55 on: March 31, 2008, 05:42:12 PM »
But YS is clearly the more deserving candidate.
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« Reply #56 on: March 31, 2008, 06:29:22 PM »
But YS is clearly the more deserving candidate.
If MSD was captain  ;D , afterall he is working hard till 3 AM with feet movement ( don't consider this seriosuly , I realise this is none of my business).

The reason YS was picked ahead of MK in tests does put him as an obvious choice. May be Selectors are just trying to send message to MK , Keep working hard.
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« Reply #57 on: March 31, 2008, 06:58:01 PM »
IMO, if he gets the chance to play in the 11 and establishes himself ..  he can take over the captaincy from AK, when AK retires.

This guy is a motivator and a committed cricketer. (In case people missed, CZ won the Deodhar trophy)

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Having earned a Test recall after nearly two years, Mohammad Kaif said he was expecting to be picked based on his domestic performance. He was named as replacement in the squad for the second Test against South Africa after Sachin Tendulkar was ruled out with a groin injury.

"I had scored some 1000 to 1200 runs," Kaif told the tabloid Mumbai Mirror. "A bulk of them were scored on tough wickets so the call was kind of expected." He scored 687 runs at 59.73 from eight Ranji Trophy games for Uttar Pradesh and 266 at 52.46 from two Duleep Trophy matches for Central Zone this season.

Kaif was dropped from the Test side after India's tour of West Indies in June 2006 despite scoring an unbeaten 148 in the second Test in St Lucia. "I had learned a lot during this period. I think whatever happens, happens for some good only. So I think there must have been some good reason of my being away from the Indian side.

"I must thank my supporters and those who stood by me in my bad period. I hope that the bad phase has ended and this selection will bring more good news for me in the future."

Though excited about being included in the squad, Kaif said India would no doubt miss Tendulkar. "Captain Anil Kumble will never have wanted him [Tendulkar] to be out of the side," Kaif said. But now I have got a chance and if I play, I will try and make the best out of it."

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« Reply #58 on: April 01, 2008, 05:28:30 AM »
FOr the last time, Kaif should not play. Yuvi should. After all he was in the squad ahead of Kaif.
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« Reply #59 on: April 01, 2008, 05:33:49 AM »
But YS is clearly the more deserving candidate.
If MSD was captain  ;D , afterall he is working hard till 3 AM with feet movement ( don't consider this seriosuly , I realise this is none of my business).

The reason YS was picked ahead of MK in tests does put him as an obvious choice. May be Selectors are just trying to send message to MK , Keep working hard.


OR message to YS.."Don't take things for granted"
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« Reply #60 on: April 01, 2008, 06:31:41 AM »
in any case it is only sensible to replace an injured player. what if YS himself sprains his knee again tomorrow ? we need the double back up ... that is what kaif is there for.
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« Reply #61 on: April 01, 2008, 03:56:50 PM »
South Africa to target Sehwag with short stuff

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April 1, 2008

 
Mickey Arthur, the South Africa coach, has indicated that his bowlers will target Virender Sehwag, the triple-centurion from the first Test, with more short-pitched deliveries targetted at his body during the second Test in Ahmedabad.

"We had a look at Sehwag's fantastic innings. He cuts the ball very well but we saw he played his first pull shot only after scoring 312," Arthur was quoted as saying by AFP. "So we are planning to target him with short balls on his body, cramp him for space and see how he takes it."

Sehwag destroyed the South African attack in Chennai with an outstanding 319 off just 304 balls. His knock ensured India were under little pressure despite conceding 540 in the first innings. All the South African bowlers suffered while Sehwag was at the crease, but they fought back magnificently after he was dismissed, taking nine wickets for 159 on the fourth day to restrict India's first-innings lead to just 87.

For Arthur's plan to work, though, his bowlers will need more assistance from the pitch at Motera than what was on offer at the placid track in Chennai. "We will have to wait and watch for the first ball to be bowled on how the wicket is," he said. "At the moment it looks good with some grass on it. Hopefully the pitch will help the seamers. It will be interesting to see how the ball behaves on the lush green outfield or whether it helps reverse swing."

Ahmedabad has traditionally been a good venue for the spinners - the last time India played here, Anil Kumble and Harbhajan Singh took 17 out of 20 Sri Lankan wickets in a 259-run win - but in domestic matches this season, fast bowlers have had a fair amount of success. Siddharth Trivedi, the Gujarat fast bowler, told Indian Express: "This season, the wicket really helped fast bowlers. Bowlers who can hit the deck hard have got a lot of help from it. But spinners do come into play on the last two days." It remains to be seen, though, if the track for the Test is equally sporting.

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« Reply #62 on: April 01, 2008, 08:31:06 PM »
My preferance on this would be MK over YS .
Last match against SL in Ahmd was over in 4 days , mostly dominated by spinners (obviously when Ind and SL play what else do you expect).
While YS is an excellent all round player , IMO the conditions of Ahmd will suit MK style of play(I think he will also play Harris better than YS).
From early readings and history of wicket, seems like , some of us may not have to criticise why RD was playing full toss, and full length on leg stumps defensively during third day(something that is RD's strength).

Regarding picking fast bowlers i am not to sure , that may depend on ground realities, based on what I saw last of IKP , Personally i am not to impressed with IKP ( the bolwer).  But RPS and SS have not lived upto expectations. Based on the available info would currently  play , SS and IS. I think IS will perform excellent on this wicket , given he is fit and can pick up form where he left. Also couple of reports and SAF players interviews have revealed their strategy against AK has worked so far, thus either Pacers have to take wicket or AK has to be a step ahead for us to make a mark in this test.

My preferred 11 would be:
WJ,VS,RD,MK,VVSL,SG,MSD,AK,HS,SS,IS

YS has issues against the spinning ball going from his leg to off. He hasnt shown weakness against left arm spinners. IMO Gambhir would have been the best replacement but i am not complaining because if Kaif succeeds we will have another potential candidate for captains job whenever AK calls it a day.
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« Reply #63 on: April 01, 2008, 09:28:06 PM »
Seam bowlers can expect some assistance: curator

Ahmedabad: After the run-glut on a flat Chennai pitch, all eyes would be on the Motera wicket for the second Test between India and South Africa starting from Thursday even as its curator said on Tuesday he expected it to be a “sporting one”.

“I expect the wicket to be a sporting one, helping the fast bowlers initially and then giving aid to spinners on the last two days.

“We have kept some grass on it. The soil mixture is 50 per cent clay and the rest mostly a mixture of red and black soil,” said curator Dhiraj Parsana.

“The free grass cover on the surface can help the seam bowlers. They can expect some carry. I expect the wicket to behave better than the one at Chennai,” the former left-arm Test medium pacer said.

Heart-breaking


The Chidambaram Stadium wicket at Chepauk in Chennai was so heart-breaking for the bowlers that 1498 runs, the second-highest ever tally on Indian wickets in Tests, were scored and 25 wickets fell in five hot and humid days.

Incidentally, the last Test South Africa played at this venue more than a decade ago saw a dramatic collapse of the visiting team’s batting line-up.

Not against the Indian spin on a dust-bowl of a track but against sJavagal Srinath.

In an inspirational move, captain Sachin Tendulkar brought on the Bangalore stalwart for a new spell with the old ball when everyone thought spin would hold the key, he bowled a devastating spell to skittle out the visitor for 105 chasing 170 for victory.

Srinath was on hat-trick twice in that stint and also took the last two wickets off successive balls to send South Africa to its doom.

India won that Test, lost the second one at Eden Gardens before clinching the 1996 series 2-1 by winning the third and final match at Green Park, Kanpur, the venue of the last Test of the current series too.

Srinath finished with six for 21 in 11.5 overs, figures he bettered later against Pakistan at the Eden Gardens. That match, incidentally, was also the debut Test for V.V.S. Laxman.








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« Reply #64 on: April 02, 2008, 06:25:16 AM »
Ishant doubtful? a familiar tale with our fast bowlers!

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Ishant’s fitness trouble continues

Ahmedabad, April 1: There were seven of them — no, make that six because one of the players was Murali Kartik — and, interestingly enough, there were eight support-staff members to monitor India’s afternoon practice at the Motera Stadium. The big-wigs slowly trickled into the Textile city — Sourav Ganguly, Rahul Dravid and Virender Sehwag came in late in the evening, while VVS Laxman, RP Singh and Harbhajan Singh preferred some extra rest before the grind of the next six days.
 
But the half-dozen who did turn up for the session were players who will matter the most as India prepare to crack the Ahmedabad code. Some of them are eager for a recall, and some others need to prove their fitness.

Mohammad Kaif and Yuvraj Singh padded up simultaneously for what was expected to be a one-on-one for the number six slot, though it’s likely to be a no-contest with Kaif doubtful of figuring in the final equation.

Instead, an interesting battle was simmering on the bowling front.

As Ishant Sharma bowled seven deliveries at full pace, the new ball darting across left-hander Yuvraj and banging into a banner behind the nets, the verdict seemed firmly in his favour before a twist in the tale. Ishant felt some discomfort, mumbled a few words to bowling coach Venkatesh Prasad, who in turn walked up to coach Gary Kirsten to pass on the message. Paul Close, the physio, had a talk with the lanky seamer and, at the end of it all, Ishant picked up his cap and walked away.

Sources say Ishant has developed a lower back strain and seems to have flunked the fitness test again, though the team management is taking one more day to monitor his progress. The seamer had regained full fitness from the stress-fracture to the big toe and from the blood-vessel rupture in the index finger, but a new problem seems to have cropped up now.


Focus on Pathan

Ishant’s possible absence from the second Test against South Africa has shifted the focus firmly on Irfan Pathan. The think-tank has some serious permutations to work out to derive the final XI even though the wicket on Thursday morning is expected to be different from the grassy-cover-on-red-mud look of today. After the Chennai draw, the buzz is that Anil Kumble & Co are having a rethink about the overdose-of-spin philosophy and may revert back to their swing theory. And, as if to press home the point, Pathan got the ball to shape away from the left-hander and curl into the right-hander in the nets.

The all-rounder is strongly in contention — as an extra bowler replacing the injured Tendulkar — with India looking to get some flexibility into the team. Pathan showed, once again, that he can bat well enough even though Yuvraj, the man he might pip to the post, was hitting the orange plastic balls with precise timing on the other side.

Ultimately though — despite all these talks of seven specialist batsmen or six batsmen and an all-rounder — experts still feel the key will be how skipper Anil Kumble and his spin partner Harbhajan Singh do in this game.

Kumble reiterated that he’s fit again and evoked enough confidence despite the ice-pack on the thighs.

http://www.indianexpress.com/story/291354.html
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Re: Ind vs SA- 2nd test Ahmedbad - reports+discussion+match thread
« Reply #65 on: April 02, 2008, 06:27:24 AM »
there is no need to rush in ishant anyway.

that rps should be put through rigorous tests.

altho to be fair he has a tendency to start slow. in australia too he was average in melbourne before lifting his game in sydney.
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« Reply #66 on: April 02, 2008, 10:49:12 AM »
India struggle with bowling options

Jamie Alter in Ahmedabad

April 2, 2008

 
Going in to a venue at which their spinners have enjoyed success and with the intention of playing five bowlers, India are struggling to determine who those five will be. Ishant Sharma has finger and toe injuries, RP Singh remains a concern despite recovering from a hamstring injury and Anil Kumble is struggling with a groin niggle.
It is likely that India will play Sreesanth and Irfan Pathan as the pace quotient, followed by Kumble, subject to a fitness test on the morning of the second Test, Harbhajan Singh and Piyush Chawla. If Kumble does not make the cut then it's a toss-up between risking a clearly out-of-sorts RP Singh or using four bowlers with Yuvraj Singh slipping in at No. 6. Kumble confirmed that VVS Laxman would move to No. 4 in Sachin Tendulkar's absence but the batting is not a real worry.

Kumble was distinctly grim as he addressed the press after a two-hour session, perhaps a reflection of his predicament going into the second Test. "We just have to wait and we'll take a call tomorrow morning," he said. "There are a couple injury concerns. Whatever combination we have, we have enough potential and quality to do the job. We have worked out some plans to ensure that we put pressure on the South Africans and get the right result. But the injuries are a concern."

Kumble bowled in the nets, from his proper run-up, but it was evident he was not fully fit. If Kumble, who has 35 wickets in six Tests in Ahmedabad, does not play India will lack a truly potent spinner. Harbhajan took eight wickets in Chennai but his bowling, once flighty and bouncy, has slipped into flat, fast offbreaks pitched on middle and leg. The way Younis Khan's handled of him, when Pakistan toured last year - repeatedly reverse-sweeping, even when on 99 - was perhaps the best example of how Harbhajan has disintegrated.

If Kumble plays it will be the 50th time that he and Harbhajan will play together in a Test. The last time they combined in Ahmedabad they shared 17 wickets to help beat Sri Lanka by 259 runs. In Tests played together here they've accounted for 51 wickets. Their success together goes back farther than that, however, and India need the two to work in tandem.

RP, whose fielding in Chennai was below par, bowled in a limited capacity and is a highly unlikely starter. India's physio, Paul Close, had long chats with both Sreesanth - who took it lightly during a brief spell in hot conditions - and RP and it remains to be seen what hard work has been put in the short gap between Tests.

The venues for India's last three Tests at home have produced utterly paata tracks and as the bandwagon moves west to Ahmedabad, head curator Dhiraj Parsana's take on the pitch take further importance against a most discouraging trend of high-scoring draws in India over the last five years. 
 
Kumble chose not to comment on the Motera track, maintaining that there were "too many questions and too few answers" but given the history of breaking pitches India will certainly play Chawla. Chawla was under-bowled in his only Test, against England in 2006, bowling only 14.1 overs but has some one-day success against South Africa. Under the captaincy of Ajit Wadekar and Mohammad Azharuddin, India frequently played three spinners on tracks made at their behest but not since the mid-1990s have they enjoyed success with three slow bowlers. Kumble, Venkatapathy Raju and Rajesh Chauhan formed a formidable trio on true dustbowls; Chauhan never featured in a lost Test in 21 appearances.

This, however, is a different situation and there's no ignoring that India have failed to bowl out sides on the fifth day frequently in the last two years. Minus Kumble and with Chawla just one Test old, they could struggle against a side that has improved against spin excellently.

Jamie Alter is a staff writer at Cricinfo

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Re: Ind vs SA- 2nd test Ahmedbad - reports+discussion+match thread
« Reply #67 on: April 03, 2008, 03:34:31 AM »
8.55

Pitch: Alright, the experts have given their verdict. The pitch does have a sprinkling of grass, but overall, the surface appears really hard and looks fairly good for batting.
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Re: Ind vs SA- 2nd test Ahmedbad - reports+discussion+match thread
« Reply #68 on: April 03, 2008, 03:35:42 AM »
India bat first
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« Reply #69 on: April 03, 2008, 03:36:12 AM »
9.00

Toss: Anil Kumble has won the toss and India will bat first.
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Re: Ind vs SA- 2nd test Ahmedbad - reports+discussion+match thread
« Reply #70 on: April 03, 2008, 03:39:04 AM »
Irfan Pathan to replace Sachin Tendulkar
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Re: Ind vs SA- 2nd test Ahmedbad - reports+discussion+match thread
« Reply #71 on: April 03, 2008, 03:48:20 AM »
Irfan Pathan to replace Sachin Tendulkar
good call
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Re: Ind vs SA- 2nd test Ahmedbad - reports+discussion+match thread
« Reply #72 on: April 03, 2008, 03:54:57 AM »
IS still not fit.

AK says it will be hot and humid. Will use the 5 bowlers to get 20 wickets
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« Reply #73 on: April 03, 2008, 04:00:20 AM »
IS still not fit.

AK says it will be hot and humid. Will use the 5 bowlers to get 20 wickets
Fine, but I hope they don't forget to score the runs. ;D
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« Reply #74 on: April 03, 2008, 04:14:15 AM »
They are bowling short-pitched stuff at Viru
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« Reply #75 on: April 03, 2008, 04:16:27 AM »
good combination, good toss, good decision.
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Re: Ind vs SA- 2nd test Ahmedbad - reports+discussion+match thread
« Reply #76 on: April 03, 2008, 04:17:13 AM »
They are bowling short-pitched stuff at Viru
So 'The Plan' is in motion. ;D
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Re: Ind vs SA- 2nd test Ahmedbad - reports+discussion+match thread
« Reply #77 on: April 03, 2008, 04:18:23 AM »
Jaffer gone..
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Re: Ind vs SA- 2nd test Ahmedbad - reports+discussion+match thread
« Reply #78 on: April 03, 2008, 04:24:08 AM »
Jaffer's 73 in the 1st Test is his 'significant' contribution for the series  :P
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« Reply #79 on: April 03, 2008, 04:24:36 AM »
Viroo GONE !!
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