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The Virender Sehwag puzzle..
« on: March 28, 2008, 12:30:36 PM »
The player to score the fastest 300 in tests at a SR >100%

why does he not perform in ODIs?
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Re: The Virender Sehwag puzzle..
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2008, 12:32:50 PM »
The player to score the fastest 300 in tests at a SR >100%

why does he not perform in ODIs?
Becuase he has got the tag attached VS is a test  player and not an ODI player.
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Re: The Virender Sehwag puzzle..
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2008, 12:53:11 PM »
The bold red part might provide an answer...
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The Last Samurai

Siddhartha Vaidyanathan in Chennai

March 28, 2008

One moment typified Virender Sehwag's buccaneering masterclass on the third day in Chennai. He had led a stunning fightback, just brought up his 100th run for the session, and was facing the final ball before the tea break. The astonishing part wasn't that Sehwag clobbered the ball past cover for four - if any batsman is expected to show such daring, it's tough to look beyond him - but the manner in which he turned around in a flash and began his walk back to the pavilion.

So furiously was the ball struck that those who didn't see it travel could have thought Sehwag was actually dismissed. Such a rapid walk back is usually the preserve of batsmen who have been dismissed bowled, turning back in frustration and fuming all the way to the dressing-room. Some batsmen might have held on to their pose on the follow-through, others could have walked towards the non-striker, and a few more might have waited for the umpires to remove the bails to signal tea. Not Sehwag, a unique batsman and a singular man.

Like most of Sehwag's hundreds, records there were aplenty. There was a third fastest double-hundred in Tests, the fastest triple hundred (since the time number of balls per innings were recorded), the highest score by an Indian, and a slew of others. But numbers will never tell the story of this once-in-a-lifetime batsman. On a sleep-inducing pitch, in searing heat, he lifted the spirits like few others. With due respect to Neil McKenzie and Hashim Amla, Sehwag's was the innings that injected some life into what was turning into a dead Test. Stirring, explosive, creative and audacious, this was one for the ages. A crowd of 29,356 watched the innings today but you can be rest assured that many years later several more Chennai residents would claim that they were there.

Sehwag's strokeplay is dazzling enough, but it's the context which makes it even more thrilling. He reverse-swept two fours, the first four balls before lunch and the second when he was on 244; tried to bring up his hundred with a six, only to see the ball drop short of the cover fence; started the second session with a four; lofted Makhaya Ntini without a trace of regard when on 193; pounded two fours and a six in the last over before tea; and clattered a straight six when on 291.

Some batsmen take into account the nature of the pitch, time of day, phase of innings, and quality of the bowler. Sehwag prefers to have only one parameter in mind: type of delivery. This was batting reduced to its simplest form .
   
Some batsmen take into account the nature of the pitch, time of day, phase of innings, and quality of the bowler. Sehwag prefers to have only one parameter in mind: type of delivery. This was batting reduced to its simplest form. As the Last Samurai postulates: "the highest level of martial and spiritual skill is only attainable through No Mind".

Batsmen normally talk of cashing in on featherbeds, making sure they thrive when the going is good. Sehwag doesn't seem to really care. He has often talked about not looking at a pitch before a game and rarely alters his approach according to the surface. He has taken a different approach according to match situations - his match-saving hundred in the previous Test in Adelaide showed as much - but conditions don't seem to matter. When he's as balanced at the crease as this, there's little to stop him.

In the three Tests since his Test comeback it's pretty clear that he's worked on his on-side game. His struggles at the Test level coincided with the time when he tried to back away and swat most balls to the off side but he's obviously worked on the clip to leg - the shot where he gets up on his toes and turns it towards square leg. He's brought back the hoick and has now started to again loft powerfully over cover. It's helped that he's got fitter, shedding some fat around the waist-line.

It's also interesting that the two occasions when he's consulted a mental conditioner have been followed up with brutal innings. The blistering 180 on the first day in Gros Islet came on the back of a chat with Rudi Webster, the renowned sports psychologist, and this knock was preceded by a lengthy interaction with Paddy Upton. Sehwag has often said that his one-day failures are mainly because of too many parameters coming into play - number of overs, run-rate, Powerplays and the like - and it's the Test arena that he enjoys the most.
His last ten hundreds have all been 150-plus knocks, a trot unlike any other batsman in Test history. He joined Brian Lara and Don Bradman as the only two batsmen to cross 300 twice. He may not be mentioned in the same league as those two legends - not as yet - but like them he remains a man apart.

Siddhartha Vaidyanathan is an assistant editor at Cricinfo
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Re: The Virender Sehwag puzzle..
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2008, 01:04:08 PM »
The player to score the fastest 300 in tests at a SR >100%

why does he not perform in ODIs?

You should know by now. In tests he doesnt hit every ball which he tries to do in ODI. in ODI the field is also lot spread out in the start which may be another reason. If our ODI captains were smart they would have moved him to number 4 which would have given him a bit more breathing space to build the inning.
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Re: The Virender Sehwag puzzle..
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2008, 01:12:54 PM »
The player to score the fastest 300 in tests at a SR >100%

why does he not perform in ODIs?

I am thinking it is the field settings ?
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Re: The Virender Sehwag puzzle..
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2008, 04:16:22 PM »
The player to score the fastest 300 in tests at a SR >100%

why does he not perform in ODIs?
Becuase he has got the tag attached VS is a test  player and not an ODI player.


Not really. this has only happened in recent times. before then, he got to play quite a few ODIs....
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Re: The Virender Sehwag puzzle..
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2008, 04:35:18 PM »
What is the parameter deciding success or failure in ODI?  He has a 30 odd average ... a trifle low. But a strike rate of above 95. Is he a total failure or is it just that he does not fit into the team balance?
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Re: The Virender Sehwag puzzle..
« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2008, 04:39:40 PM »
What is the parameter deciding success or failure in ODI?  He has a 30 odd average ... a trifle low. But a strike rate of above 95. Is he a total failure or is it just that he does not fit into the team balance?

That was my argument FOR Sehwag ways back when Ganguly was out and all the gangulians were complaining about Sehwag's average compared to Ganguly's (both openers).

BUT since that time his ODI average actually had dipped further
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Re: The Virender Sehwag puzzle..
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2008, 04:47:53 PM »
What is the parameter deciding success or failure in ODI?  He has a 30 odd average ... a trifle low. But a strike rate of above 95. Is he a total failure or is it just that he does not fit into the team balance?

That was my argument FOR Sehwag ways back when Ganguly was out and all the gangulians were complaining about Sehwag's average compared to Ganguly's (both openers).

BUT since that time his ODI average actually had dipped further
Read a little more carefully. I am talking about team balance ... ie. how many fast scorers with low averages a team should have vs. how many slow scorers with high averages the team should have. (Now, I am sure some would jump in to say they want fast scorers with high averages, but we do not have that many of them). It then follows that Ganguly and Sehwag fall on the opposite side of the spectrum.
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Re: The Virender Sehwag puzzle..
« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2008, 05:02:17 PM »
The player to score the fastest 300 in tests at a SR >100%

why does he not perform in ODIs?
Becuase he has got the tag attached VS is a test  player and not an ODI player.
Not really. this has only happened in recent times. before then, he got to play quite a few ODIs....

Agree , mine was not a thoughtful comment , just wrote the first sentence that came to mind .
but looking at attributes of VS : Aggressive bat + bowl + field , He does fit the ODI scenario  more than he suits Tests.
it is different question how can a batsman with so called flawed techiniqe score  chanceless  300.
Vick did write some possible scenarios abt Odi's.
Also in days of RD,SG ,SRT playing guarded ,VS inngs were crucial, there were stages that whenever VS played  a decent knock we reached 300 .
With some other stroke makers in team , He is not missed that much currently, but would love to see him perform with similar composure in ODI's.





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Re: The Virender Sehwag puzzle..
« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2008, 05:22:37 PM »
What is the parameter deciding success or failure in ODI?  He has a 30 odd average ... a trifle low. But a strike rate of above 95. Is he a total failure or is it just that he does not fit into the team balance?

I think we have been spoiled by SRT mostly and SG to some extent scoring heavily at top. SRT specially gave us bing runs at fair rate. IMO i will prefer people who give us 30 @ 100 avg at the top if we can have some really solid number 4,5 and 6 playing btn 20-40 overs.
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Re: The Virender Sehwag puzzle..
« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2008, 06:57:39 PM »
I love players who excel at test cricket and suck at ODI cricket.

This makes sehwag my all time favorite.  :notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:

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Re: The Virender Sehwag puzzle..
« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2008, 07:16:30 PM »
I love players who excel at test cricket and suck at ODI cricket.

This makes sehwag my all time favorite:notworthy: :notworthy: :notworthy:

 ::cheers:: ::cheers:: ::cheers::

What if he starts performinig in ODI's tooo .. Will there be any love lost ?
Nah you don't have to answer ..  ;)
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Re: The Virender Sehwag puzzle..
« Reply #13 on: April 01, 2008, 03:40:13 AM »
Sehwag's theory of relativity
Where others see risk, he sees opportunity, and he has the numbers to prove it



April 1, 2008
 

The word genius must never be used lightly, but it can be applied to Virender Sehwag's stroke-making ability. He is yet to earn the right to sit alongside Sachin Tendulkar and Brian Lara, or even Ricky Ponting, but he has an almost supernatural ability to sense a four. That's his genius.

Sehwag's batting is often associated with audacity, but I wonder if he sees it quite that way. The perception of risk in batting, or indeed in any sporting endeavour, is often directly proportionate to the sportsman's ability. Roger Federer sees winners in those deep shots that kiss the line, not risks. Similarly, Sehwag can see possibilities that don't exist for the less gifted. What appears a risk to many is for him an opportunity to create a boundary.

During the last World Cup in the West Indies, I had the chance to meet Allen Stanford, the Texan billionaire who has been pouring millions of dollars into a Twenty20 competition bearing his name in the Caribbean. I asked him why was he risking so much money without any tangible hope of return. Perhaps he had been asked the question before. "It all depends on how you look at a million dollars," he said. "What looks like a lot of money to you isn't to me. So what seems like a risk to you isn't one for me."

While watching fours rain from Sehwag's bat, I thought of that conversation. It is apparent that Sehwag sees what others are incapable of seeing. Hitting fours is not an indulgence for him. It is his lifeline, an utterly natural course for conducting his business, just as singles are for many others.

Four years ago, Wisden Asia Cricket magazine ran a cover story on India's "Fab Five" - Sachin Tendulkar, Rahul Dravid, VVS Laxman, Sourav Ganguly and Sehwag. The feature had interviews with the five players, with each talking about one of the others. Ganguly made a fascinating revelation about Sehwag. "The best way to know how [Sehwag's] mind works is to sit next to him in the players' balcony when India are batting. Every few minutes he will clutch his head and yell, 'Chauka gaya' [missed out on a four] or 'Chakka gaya' ... That's how he thinks, in fours and sixes."

All batsmen dream of and live for those perfect moments, when the mind and body align precisely and the stroke that materialises has everything right about it - balance, timing, placement. Geoff Boycott has written about such a moment in his autobiography. It was the stroke that got him his 100th first-class hundred, in an Ashes Test before his adoring home crowd at Headingley. As the ball came out of the bowler's hand, he knew it was his moment. And as he stepped out to drive it past the bowler, he felt as if he had stepped outside his body to execute the shot.

It is easy to imagine that when Sehwag gets into his zone, he has this kind of transcendental clarity ball after ball. That's a bit full on the off stump; it's going past cover. That's on a good length but a bit wide, so it can go over extra cover. Ah, the bowler has turned his wrist over, so that's a slower one; Yeh toh gayi (this one's gone).

Absolute clarity, absolute commitment, and no regrets. Nothing else can explain the big hundreds - all of Sehwag's last ten centuries have been above 150 - scored at such frenetic pace. On 195 at the MCG four years ago, he hit a full-toss from Simon Katich down the throat of midwicket. He said afterwards that he would have done exactly the same if faced with the situation all over again. Lest anyone had any doubts, he clouted Saqlain Mushtaq for six over midwicket to reach his first triple-hundred a few months later. And that wasn't even a full-toss. The bowlers must always fancy their chances when they're bowling to Sehwag; it's only that Sehwag fancies his own chances much more.

All exceptional players have this knowledge. Most batsmen good enough to play at the international level can play most strokes, but only a chosen few can play them almost at will, and that comes from knowing. Sehwag knows when he aims to belt a ball over cover, it will clear the fielder. He knows when he dances down to a spinner that he will not be beaten in flight. And he knows while employing a reverse sweep to a ball outside the offstump that there no chance that he will miss. Of course, it doesn't always turn that way, and when it doesn't it makes him look foolish, but it is important that he keeps faith in his knowledge.

His strike-rate of over 75 in Test cricket suggests a bit of madness, but Sehwag's strokes, while unorthodox in the light of the classical parameters of footwork, are absolutely pure at the point of execution. His 319 against South Africa featured only one stroke that could be described a slog - a hoick off Makhaya Ntini while he was on 193; it was mistimed but still sailed over square leg for six - the rest were cover- and square-drives, cuts, flicks, drives down the ground, and reverse sweeps that could hardly be called rash because they were thoughtfully conceived and deftly executed.

 Also, the charge that he gets out far too often playing the wrong shot doesn't hold: that's true of all batsmen, really. Only rarely is a batsman dismissed by an unplayable ball - and more often than not, that misfortune befalls opening batsmen, a role that Sehwag found himself thrust into. In most cases batsmen, even those whose technical virtuosity is celebrated, collude in their dismissals. What is the difference between a batsman getting out because he played the wrong defensive stroke and one who is dismissed off an aggressive one? Only that a dismissal brought about by an aggressive stroke invites more scorn.

Of course Sehwag has technical limitations that can be exposed by intelligent opponents on pitches that assist seam movement or bounce. And because he plays an attacking game, he will always be less consistent than those who place a premium on survival. But he has big hundreds in almost every country, and averages nearly 54 after 92 innings, with a strike-rate of over 75 - signs of an exceptional batsman. He can't be accused of having filled his boots against Bangladesh and Zimbabwe; against those two teams his combined average is 39.80.

Maybe his lack of runs against the weak teams speaks of boredom in the absence of a challenge. Sehwag is not a batsman given to milking bowling attacks. Most batsmen look on a flat pitch as an opportunity to cash in with an easy hundred; Sehwag sees a flat pitch and eyes a blistering double-hundred. Faced with a first innings total of 540, most batsmen would think of avoiding the follow-on, but after the second day of the Chennai Test, Sehwag spoke of batting for two days and putting up 700. Anyone who has a passing knowledge of him would know that it wasn't an idle boast or posturing: it came out of true belief, and a grand vision.

Perhaps, too, therein lies the explanation for his baffling failure in one-day cricket, which led to his temporary banishment from the international scene. One-day cricket is too limited, too stifling, too rooted in percentages, to accommodate the grandness of Sehwag's vision. It can be said also that he has been too lazy to work for the singles and too rigid to adapt his game to the shorter form.

Maybe that's something we ought to be grateful for: Test cricket is Sehwag's true canvas, and there are few more thrilling, exhilarating experiences than when paints on it with his bold strokes.

Sambit Bal is the editor of Cricinfo

 http://content-usa.cricinfo.com/magazine/content/current/story/344590.html
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Re: The Virender Sehwag puzzle..
« Reply #14 on: April 01, 2008, 03:43:29 AM »

Four years ago, Wisden Asia Cricket magazine ran a cover story on India's "Fab Five" - Sachin Tendulkar, Rahul Dravid, VVS Laxman, Sourav Ganguly and Sehwag. The feature had interviews with the five players, with each talking about one of the others. Ganguly made a fascinating revelation about Sehwag. "The best way to know how [Sehwag's] mind works is to sit next to him in the players' balcony when India are batting. Every few minutes he will clutch his head and yell, 'Chauka gaya' [missed out on a four] or 'Chakka gaya' ... That's how he thinks, in fours and sixes."


ok, now it is is clear why sehwag has lost all his hair - all those loooong partnerships with RD. all that clutching!  ::zzz::  ;D
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