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[cricinfo]

i am sure our experts will have some solid explanation for this , request prem-rog addicted people to get a comment  from their guru because i am suspecting in VIRU euphoria they will somehow try their best to not talk about this gem on an inning.

to me this is the inning which will make the difference between an indian win vs a draw

R Dravid not out 65  181 8 0 35.91

[Blwe_torch]

i am sure our experts will have some solid explanation for this , request prem-rog addicted people to get a comment  from their guru because i am suspecting in VIRU euphoria they will somehow try their best to not talk about this gem on an inning.

to me this is the inning which will make the difference between an indian win vs a draw

R Dravid not out 65  181 8 0 35.91

You are missing out on his 50 K runs in a parallel universe!

[LosingNow]

i am sure our experts will have some solid explanation for this , request prem-rog addicted people to get a comment  from their guru because i am suspecting in VIRU euphoria they will somehow try their best to not talk about this gem on an inning.

to me this is the inning which will make the difference between an indian win vs a draw

R Dravid not out 65  181 8 0 35.91

Totally agree.. pathetic innings at best under the circumstances (specially the first 70 odd balls) ..

[OldPal]

i am sure our experts will have some solid explanation for this , request prem-rog addicted people to get a comment  from their guru because i am suspecting in VIRU euphoria they will somehow try their best to not talk about this gem on an inning.

to me this is the inning which will make the difference between an indian win vs a draw

R Dravid not out 65  181 8 0 35.91

Atleast  I am not going to defend this  .. the so called alive fan of dravid.
Good that Akumble is captain , Else one more message from MSD : sometimes people neglect message 
I would be surprised if RD plays faster tomorrow

[dlee1]

he is playing as he plays normally and there is no need whatsoever to play fast as vs is doing that.we still have 2 more days left .just dont cricticize someone just coz one has nothign left to write about.

[OldPal]

he is playing as he plays normally and there is no need whatsoever to play fast as vs is doing that.we still have 2 more days left .just dont cricticize someone just coz one has nothign left to write about.

 
Members always find something to write about .. ain't it ?

[caught and bowled]

As I have said on some other thread, it is quite clear that Dravid is struggling and his ultra slow approach is inexplicable. However, I do not feel that his inning would prove to be the difference between an eventual draw or win, simply because Sehwag at the end has provided much, much more that an effective counter balance and made up for the runs Dravid would have scored.

From here, whether we win or not will depend on how we bat tomorrow, how much of lead is considered enough to throw the challenge and then how well our bowlers can exploit the pitch and the conditions. As of now, I am willing to back Kumble, Harbhajan and also Sehwag and Tendulkar when it's our turn to bowl

I think while the  anger at Dravid's somnambulistic approach is quite understandable and justified,  making him responsible for the eventual result of the match on the 3rd day itself is patently unfair...

[cricinfo]

he is playing as he plays normally and there is no need whatsoever to play fast as vs is doing that.we still have 2 more days left .just dont cricticize someone just coz one has nothign left to write about.

 
Members always find something to write about .. ain't it ?

Did you write the same thing when

1. CP criticizing Kolkata pitch by coming up with some kind of conspiracy theory on why the pitch is made so flat
2. Ruchir commented out how SG did not show intent or the fighting spirit  by trying to dive from 3 yards away to stop a ball which 99 out of 100 times will go for boundary ?

So where is the determination to do well or being aggressive when we see RD batting ?

So Mr LEE you can shut up if YOU have nothing better to write or answer these questions !

[Cover Point]

he is playing as he plays normally and there is no need whatsoever to play fast as vs is doing that.we still have 2 more days left .just dont cricticize someone just coz one has nothign left to write about.

 
Members always find something to write about .. ain't it ?

Did you write the same thing when

1. CP criticizing Kolkata pitch by coming up with some kind of conspiracy theory on why the pitch is made so flat
2. Ruchir commented out how SG did not show intent or the fighting spirit  by trying to dive from 3 yards away to stop a ball which 99 out of 100 times will go for boundary ?

So where is the determination to do well or being aggressive when we see RD batting ?

And on a day when India scored almost 400 runs you are still complaining about a players run rate and u are going to claim it has nothing to do with hate? You guys (Gangulians) are still pissed about Dravid being quiet when Ganguly's butt was hauled away and are just taking out your hatred.

Dlee1, I dont think you should worry about these guys. They have a texas sized potato chip on their shoulder!

[caught and bowled]

he is playing as he plays normally and there is no need whatsoever to play fast as vs is doing that.we still have 2 more days left .just dont cricticize someone just coz one has nothign left to write about.

 
Members always find something to write about .. ain't it ?

Did you write the same thing when

1. CP criticizing Kolkata pitch by coming up with some kind of conspiracy theory on why the pitch is made so flat
2. Ruchir commented out how SG did not show intent or the fighting spirit  by trying to dive from 3 yards away to stop a ball which 99 out of 100 times will go for boundary ?

So where is the determination to do well or being aggressive when we see RD batting ?

So you think it is incumbent upon you to criticise Dravid ONLY because some other members had criticised the resident God of this DG earlier and NOT really because Dravid was slow today.

No wonder every discussion on this DG ends up with Ganguly or Chappell or More and settles at the bottom of the gutter.

[OldPal]

Did you write the same thing when

1. CP criticizing Kolkata pitch by coming up with some kind of conspiracy theory on why the pitch is made so flat
2. Ruchir commented out how SG did not show intent or the fighting spirit  by trying to dive from 3 yards away to stop a ball which 99 out of 100 times will go for boundary ?
So where is the determination to do well or being aggressive when we see RD batting ?

So Mr LEE you can shut up if YOU have nothing better to write or answer these questions !

No ! i did not , Do i get an arrest warrant now ? Are bhai , Can't i pick and choose where i want to write where not ?

[dlee1]

cricinfo:either try to engage in meaningful discussions without bias or if u wanna speak like the way u r then expect the same from me.
caughtn bowled.. u r right the rr for the day was excellent and even if rd scored slow vs made it up and its at the end of the day a team game which we played to perfection.just blaming rd that too at the end of the 3rd day is just not done and lets not forget what we did is not give an inch to sa and r aim was to grind them which we did..who knows had we lost a quick few wickets things might have been different

[caught and bowled]

Following from "Crookinfo" and the much maligned Premchandran. Ignore what he says about Dravid, the bold part puts the days play in proper perspective .

" Dravid started very slowly, but he too grew in confidence as the day wore on, playing some lovely strokes on the leg side as the bowlers started to err in line. His 50 took him 151 balls, but such was Sehwag's mastery over proceedings that the partnership run-rate was nearly five an over. "

[OldPal]

Actully CI did misread me little bit on this thread ..
I was/am in his side W.r.T RD's slow paced inngs. While we did score  5 RPO as a team , but it dosen't harm to score 5.5 RPO as team if both batsmen do their bit of share. What i was not too sure is was the strategy later changed to bat around RD?. no body know how the pith would turn out tomorrow , so as long as it is flat  and shot playing is easy once we are out of danger zone , why not play shots ? Last 1 hr after drink RD did pace a little bit.

[CLR James]

Cool it guys. Nobody is abusing Dravid. It is just that I worry about his batting and the mental frame he is in. Frankly, with 200 plus on the board, with the wicket dead as a dodo, one should expect something better than a strike rate that, till he crossed 50, was about a dozen points below his career average. This has been going on for a long time now. I think it is a fine line; when a batsman loses confidence, the first thing he does is to curb the range of shot options and constrict a free flow of the bat. The latter explains the drives into the ground. The bottom hand is coming in more, and Dravid's arms are not being supple at the point of contact. I hope this knock gives him much needed confidence and he is more enterprising today. Else he should be dropped down the order. Dravid should realize that the only way we can force a result in this match is if we score near about 750 by tea today.

[LosingNow]

clr
precisely my thoughts.

[pipsqueak]

no one expounding on the "selfishness" of RD playing only to get to his 50 and then a 100, bloat his statistics, blah, blah, blah?

how strange!

what if i "transition" some thoughts and replace RD with SG in some people's minds? i am so sold on this transition business, i tell ya. it has potential.

[time2frenzy]

I think its way too harsh to blame RD , he played the way he always play .... I don't see an innings which is unRDlike .... but perhaps the blame shud go @ kumble..with a solid opening stand , he shud've send VVS or SG at 3 .... the only possibilty to get a match out of this test is to score runs fast and give atleast 2 days cushion for bowl at SA ....

[dlee1]

there r some cry babies like australia on here.ready to give to others but not ready to take it when it is given back to them.have always maintained that this is a forum where one should discuss with an open mind and not by taking sides or plainly asking others to shut up.
yes rd played slow but that is how he plays and i believe that everyone plays according to the team plan and maybe the plan was to make sure that he holds up his end so that wickets dont fall in the sudden rush of blood coz that would surely have put brakes on the scoring .yes he scored slowly but then at the end of the day india was in a very good position to press on on the 4th day. think of this situation..everyone goes for the shots and we loose wickets and at the end of the day3 we r lets say at par or slightly ahead of sa but with less wickets in hand .this could lead to a situation that sa bats well on day 4 and set up a target for india on the 5th day!!! we all know how well india can bat on the 5th day chasing?HYPOTHETICAL SITUATION!!but what i am getting at is he plays like that and there must have been a team strategy which he was following so lets not blame him

[cricinfo]

there are some sissies and chuslees also in this forum who are ready to give to others but not ready to take it when it is given back to them.have always maintained that this is a forum where one should discuss with an open mind and not by taking sides or plainly asking them 'to stop  cricticizing someone just coz one has nothign left to write about'

[inoc]

Cool it guys. Nobody is abusing Dravid. It is just that I worry about his batting and the mental frame he is in. Frankly, with 200 plus on the board, with the wicket dead as a dodo, one should expect something better than a strike rate that, till he crossed 50, was about a dozen points below his career average. This has been going on for a long time now. I think it is a fine line; when a batsman loses confidence, the first thing he does is to curb the range of shot options and constrict a free flow of the bat. The latter explains the drives into the ground. The bottom hand is coming in more, and Dravid's arms are not being supple at the point of contact. I hope this knock gives him much needed confidence and he is more enterprising today. Else he should be dropped down the order. Dravid should realize that the only way we can force a result in this match is if we score near about 750 by tea today.

if we have VS playing for any length of time today 675 -700 at tea is realistic. i.e 200 - 230 runs. if we lose VS we will be no where near with or without RD.