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(NC)Hockey : India misses olympics
« on: March 04, 2008, 03:16:06 AM »
The second Worldhockey Men’s Olympic Qualifier starts on Saturday,March 1 in Santiago, Chile, with 6 teams fighting for a single ticket for the Olympic Games next summer in Beijing. While Great Britain and India are the overwhelming favorites to reach the winner-take-all Final next Sunday, host Chile have prepared well for this event and could create some surprises.

Austria, Chile, Great Britain, India, Mexico and Russia will try to join the nine teams already qualified through the Continental Championships last summer, plus New Zealand, who wrestled the qualification out of the hand of Argentina with a dramatic Golden Goal (in the final seconds of overtime) in the first Olympic Qualifier in Auckland.

Great Britain is the top ranked team in this competition (8th in the WorldHockey Rankings) but only a few points ahead of India (ranked 9th). The two teams have a long and illustrious history at the Olympic Games: India have participated in every Games since their debut in 1928 in Amsterdam, gathering an impressive collection of honors, including 8 Gold Medals and an uninterrupted series of six victories between 1928 and 1956; Great Britain have participated in 15 Olympic Games, collecting 3 Gold, 1 Silver and 2 Bronze Medals.

UPDATED RESULTS:

Curent results
India    :    Russia          8:0
India   :    Austria          7:3
India   :       Mexico        18:1
India   :      Great Britain  2:3
India   :      Chile              4:1
India   :      Great Britain   0:2    (Finals)
http://www.olympicqualifiermenchile.sportcentric.com/vsite/vcontent/page/custom/0,8510,5182-188087-205309-44583-282357-custom-item,00.html
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Re: (NC): Hockey Olympic qualifiers - India in danger of missing olympics
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2008, 04:20:22 AM »
man, if we don't qualify for olympics...god, that thought itself feels strange.
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Re: (NC): Hockey Olympic qualifiers - India in danger of missing olympics
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2008, 09:58:04 AM »
With the bum pincher KPS Gill at the helm, what can one expect? No chak de India
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Re: (NC): Hockey Olympic qualifiers - India in danger of missing olympics
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2008, 01:50:56 PM »
Well, as I see it, both India and Britain should win all games against the other teams and the India v/s Britain match becomes the most important one.

Goal difference will come in only if we draw that one - sometimes, I think having to play for a win rather than being ok with a draw will work well for this team.

But, otherwise, I agree. I dont know what is happening with the team. First Viren Rasquinha quits in disgust to pursue an MBA. The IHF gets Rick Charlesworth over by paying him a decent sum of money and then dont send him with the team to an important tournament.
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Re: (NC): Hockey Olympic qualifiers - India in danger of missing olympics
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2008, 12:19:04 AM »
India win 18:1 against Mexico ...wow
PS: Can we keep this thread on main board till Sunday,when the qualifier is decided?
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Re: (NC): Hockey Olympic qualifiers - India in danger of missing olympics
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2008, 01:07:17 AM »
Britain beats India - 3:2  >:(

Hope we turn it around in the finals
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Re: (NC): Hockey Olympic qualifiers - India in danger of missing olympics
« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2008, 03:51:54 AM »
So, unless Great Britain loses one of its final 2 games, we are out.....  >:( :( >:( :(
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Re: (NC): Hockey Olympic qualifiers - India in danger of missing olympics
« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2008, 04:13:06 AM »
Nope... There is a final match to decide positions 1 & 2 on sunday which will decide the qualifier.So India still has a chance of redemption.
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Re: (NC): Hockey Olympic qualifiers - India in danger of missing olympics
« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2008, 04:16:46 AM »
Oh, Is that game live somewhere? what time?
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Re: (NC): Hockey Olympic qualifiers - India in danger of missing olympics
« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2008, 04:20:34 AM »
It's live on Ten Sports.
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Re: (NC): Hockey Olympic qualifiers - India in danger of missing olympics
« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2008, 02:38:59 PM »
So, unless Great Britain loses one of its final 2 games, we are out.....  >:( :( >:( :(

No. India still most likely makes the finals .. unless something goes dramatically wrong. And, then it will once again be a key match against Britain.
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Re: (NC): Hockey Olympic qualifiers - India in danger of missing olympics
« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2008, 02:39:28 PM »
Oh, Is that game live somewhere? what time?

india v britain was live on ten sports at around 10:30pm .. not sure about the timings of all matches
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Re: (NC): Hockey Olympic qualifiers - India in danger of missing olympics
« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2008, 03:25:53 PM »
Points Table:

 Great Britain 4 4 0 0 26 3 12
 India 4 3 0 1 35 7 9
 Austria 4 3 0 1 15 15 9
 Chile 4 1 0 3 9 10 3
 Russia 4 1 0 3 6 22 3
 Mexico 4 0 0 4 2 36 0

Games tomorrow:

13 15:00  Great Britain :  Austria 
14 17:00  Russia :  Mexico 
15 19:00  Chile :  India
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Re: (NC): Hockey Olympic qualifiers - India in danger of missing olympics
« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2008, 02:38:53 AM »
India beats Chile 4:1, now need to beat Britain on Sunday night to qualify for Olympics.
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Re: (NC): Hockey Olympic qualifiers - India in danger of missing olympics
« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2008, 04:33:56 AM »
Well, so that loss against britain did not really matter much other than whatever psych advantage one may claim to have lost or won.

Assuming india (or britain for that matter) lose here, can they participate in any of the 2 other qualifying events for the olympics?
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Re: (NC): India misses olympics
« Reply #15 on: March 10, 2008, 12:44:38 AM »
India lose to Britain 0:2....  >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(


 SANTIAGO: Scoring twice in the first-half, Britain ended India's Olympic dreams with a 2-0 win in the final of the World Hockey qualifying tournament at Santiago.

Barry Middleton (4th minute) and Richard Mantell (10th) struck for Britain who then showed the discipline and character to withstand intense pressure to emerge deserving winners while qualifying for the 2008 Beijing Olympics.

Eight time gold medallists India thus failed to make it to the Olympics for the first time since their debut in 1928.

While the Britain players celebrated to the accompaniment of the song "We are the Champions", the Indian, heads bowed, shoulders slumped, could only watch the jubilant scenes of a team that played smarter if not better hockey.

On the day, it was Britain who showed a lot of steel in dealing with the massive pressure they were subjected to by the Indian forwards. The difference was that Britain, who had beaten India 3-2 in the league, capitalized on the two early chances that came their way, while the Indians did not.

In contrast, India could never really settle down and the two yellow cards to their key players, midfielder Sardara Singh and forward Prabhjot Singh filled their cup of woe. It brought the number of yellow cards to five in three matches.

India also blew five penalty corners with neither Ramachandra Raghunath with his drag-flicks nor Dilip Tirkey with his direct hits able to convert. In fact, their set-piece drill in the second-half was rather pathetic, as the ball was not even stopped cleanly.
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Re: (NC)Hockey : India misses olympics
« Reply #16 on: March 10, 2008, 01:10:22 AM »
funny thing is that the brilliant Ric Charlesworth has been begging to coach the indian team but gill and co. haven't let him.
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Re: (NC)Hockey : India misses olympics
« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2008, 03:23:26 AM »
Heads must roll.. how can one throw Gill and co out.

Seriously, why does he have such control over Indian hockey? Can anyone explain?
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Re: (NC)Hockey : India misses olympics
« Reply #18 on: March 10, 2008, 04:27:56 AM »
KPS Gill has peaked at the right time - his pinnacle of glory !!!
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Re: (NC)Hockey : India misses olympics
« Reply #19 on: March 10, 2008, 04:31:18 AM »
And we criticize BCCI for their poor functioning - I wish other sports were run at least as good as BCCI !!!!
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Re: (NC)Hockey : India misses olympics
« Reply #20 on: March 10, 2008, 07:21:43 AM »
What a disgraceful day! We will not be in the Olympics for the first time in 80 years :-(
The egotist coach is to blame. Dropping senior player who were in good form is also
another reason.

To top it all, that swine KPS Gill still wants to continue as IHF President.

Also, what good has professional leagues done to the sport?
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« Reply #21 on: March 10, 2008, 01:13:12 PM »
funny thing is that the brilliant Ric Charlesworth has been begging to coach the indian team but gill and co. haven't let him.

I mentioned this earlier .. what was the point of hiring him if he was not to go with the team??
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« Reply #22 on: March 10, 2008, 01:20:05 PM »
Also, what good has professional leagues done to the sport?

I wonder where the PHL comes in here. It has given a lot of exposure to Indian players and allowed them to play with good players from other countries. It is a pity that despite this the team has not been able to pull through.
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Re: (NC)Hockey : India misses olympics
« Reply #23 on: March 10, 2008, 02:05:08 PM »
KPS Gill says the Praacess is in place and results will soon follow  ;D ;D ;D
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« Reply #24 on: March 10, 2008, 02:08:54 PM »
KPS Gill says the Praacess is in place and results will soon follow  ;D ;D ;D

Praacess for his axing should have been defined by now .
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Re: (NC)Hockey : India misses olympics
« Reply #25 on: March 10, 2008, 02:15:48 PM »
KPS Gill says the Praacess is in place and results will soon follow  ;D ;D ;D

Praacess for his axing should have been defined by now .

Wait till he has a stadium named after himself, that he himself inagurates... a la RK Khanna, the late benevolent despot of Indian tennis.
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« Reply #26 on: March 10, 2008, 02:35:22 PM »
Very moving article on the Great Dhyan Chand...

http://www.planetfieldhockey.com/PFH/Item-View-4635-64

They say you can judge a man's legend by the quality of myths that surround him. By that measure itself, Dhyan Chand was an extraordinary man. To hear tales of his craftsmanship was to wonder whether his stick was designed by Merlin himself.

They broke his stick in Holland to check if there was a magnet inside; in Japan they decided it was glue; in Germany, Adolf Hitler even wanted to buy it.

It sounds all silliness and hocus-pocus and maybe it was. But, one thing strikes you - they never said this about anybody else, did they? Whenever a tale journeys through time, exaggeration inadvertently rides along. Yet however inventive the teller gets, there is a point, he knows, beyond which belief is suspended. A magnet in the stick? If they said this about Mohammed Shahid we would have guffawed; for Dhyan Chand it just fits. There's another thing
here. Modern players use advertising to give their deeds and personalities greater flourish; they do not allow us to forget them either, for television, the accumulated memory of our times, is their evidence.

Dhyan Chand had nothing, no reams of literature to record his brilliance, no highlight film for us to gasp at. How come then this reverence has come to rest?

And so we return again to the stories, the building blocks of his legend. We are told that a statue of him exists in a Vienna sports club, whose form speaks of a certain awe; it is of a man with four arms and four sticks. We are instructed that at penalty corners he would stop the ball with his own hand, then rise and strike it with a smooth swiftness (normally it takes two men).

We are informed by his son Ashok Kumar, that in his 50s he would shame Indian goalkeepers in practice by dropping the ball and then on the half volley drive into the corner of the net. Not once but ten times out of ten. We are advised that his stickwork was studied but was so fast that even slow film offered no clues to his magic. You had to wonder, as someone wrote, did the poets come to watch him, and the playwrights, for he was drama. And, of course, he was not just beautiful, he won.

We see that not just in three Olympic golds (1928 Amsterdam, 1932 Los Angeles, 1936 Berlin) but in his goals. Two statistics stand out. In 1932 India scored 338 goals in 37 matches, 133 his contribution. In 1947 he accompanied a young team to East Africa (No Dhyan Chand, no team said the invitation)and he, 42 and semi-retired, was the second highest scorer with 61 goals in 22 games.

Still, it would seem on first impression that this was a man born with blessed hands, a flamboyant soloist (his mentor Bale Tiwari would scold him for dribbling), not a honest member of the orchestra.

It is where, Keshav Dutt, Olympic gold Medallist, tells us, we mistake him. "His real talent lay above his shoulders. His was easily the hockey brain of the century. He could see a field the way a chess player sees the board. He knew where his teammates were, and more importantly where his opponents were - without looking. It was almost psychic."

Remember Maradona in the 1986 World Cup final, swivelling blind to send the ball 30 yards or so for Buruchaga to score the winning goal.

To not see but to know, to figure the geometry of a field with a blindfold on, here is an idea of a player's completeness.

In team games you can tell genius by the man who arranges the grand design of the play. Dutt saw this too in Dhyan Chand. "He treated everybody as pieces on a board meant for his use. He'd know from his own movement how the defense was forming, and where the gaps were. In other words, he was the only imponderable, everbody else (opposition included) fell in predictable patterns around him."

So, of course, when everbody else thought he was going to shoot, he passed. Not because he was unselfish (and he was), but to induce surprise. And when he passed to you, you did not want to miss. On that 1947 tour, he put through a wondorous ball to KD Singh Babu, then turned his back and walked away. When Babu later asked the reason for this odd behaviour, he was told, "If you could not get a
goal from that you did not deserve to be on my team."

What these stories are telling us is this: there are good players,great ones, and then those who come close to perfection's embrace.

They are not practitioners of a sporting craft, they become its definition; they are not heroes, they are the caliper by which other men's heroism is measured. Pele, Jack Nicklaus, Muhammad Ali, Don Bradman come fastest to mind, and Dhyan Chand has a seat reserved too at this table. (Here's a sweet tale on the side. In 1935, Bradman and Dhyan Chand met in Australia, and it is a measure of this man's innocence that he writes, "The picture of that meeting I will cherish all my life." Did Bradman know who he had met?) To say he was an icon is correct, but only a context can provide a precise measure of such status. Gurbux Singh, 1964 Olympian, provides it when he says,"When I grew up, to achieve anything in sport was to do it in hockey." As the century turned into its last quarter, it held pre-eminence, lifted by India's first Olympic gold in 1928 and kept there till the `70s by a conveyor belt, so terribly rusted now, that rolled out champions like fast food. It is said Dhyan Chand's greatness was elevated by the illustrious company he kept on the field; conversely, how fine he must have been to stand so taller than them all. There is a beauty to hear the grey-bearded Gurbux Singh, breathless, talking about how even in 1959, way past his best, no man at the Indian camp could win the ball in a bully-off with him.

It makes it sadder still that even this man as he turned grey should tell his sons not to play hockey, for it gave him so little in return. He coached for a while, then settled in his beloved Jhansi, still the fisherman, the hunter of deer, who loved to cook - but short of money. "Once he went to a tournament in Ahmedabad and they turned him away not knowing who he was," says Ashok. "And he never saw any comfort."

When he fell ill, liver cancer it turned out, and came to Delhi's All India Institute of Medical Sciences, they dumped him in the general ward. A journalist's article eventually got him moved to a special room, but that public memory had to be jogged tells its own story.

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« Reply #27 on: March 12, 2008, 04:57:23 AM »
Support the hockey team: Tendulkar

Mumbai: Following India’s defeat at the hands of Great Britain in the Olympic qualifier at Santiago, Sachin Tendulkar, talking to The Hindu, said: “As a hockey-loving nation it’s very disappointing that the Indian hockey team has not qualified for the Beijing Olympics, but one must also recognise the fact that the players must be feeling the disappointment much more than anyone else.

“This is the time all Indians must encourage and support the players. Once you fall, it’s important to get up. There will be stumbling blocks in sports. The players will get up and we must give them our helping hand.

“As a nation we need to be with the players, support them when they need the support. We should not run them down. No sportsman wants to fail. They have tried. Ups and downs are always going to happen in sports.” — Special Correspondent
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« Reply #28 on: March 12, 2008, 04:59:34 AM »
Alas, a thing of joy won’t be forever!

Indian hockey’s slide has been without arrest laments Rohit Brijnath 

Hockey is in my DNA, it’s part of my code, as it is with millions from India. Its sound will never exit my brain, especially the click of sticks like knitting needles as we once bullied furiously for the ball, and the crack of ball colliding with the wood of goal. Of the many rites of passage as a boy, buying a hockey stick was one, flexing it, poking it with a compass, rubbing on oil, looking at it resting in the lonely corner of your room.

Hockey had its own special pain, of the cork ball hitting unprotected shin in cold winter. It had its own way in which teams were made at lunch break at school, which involved a kid sitting on the ground, his eyes covered and picking sticks from a pile and throwing one to each side.

It had its own fear, like the sliver that pierced your insides when you ran out for a penalty corner, or as we called it then, a short corner. It had its endless joy, the first time you slid a ball through someone’s legs, or dribbled down the wing, all the time thinking your name was Zafar Iqbal.

Very special


This game was special, more so than cricket, football, chess, kabaddi, because this was India’s game. And this everyone knew. It’s why in Vienna there is a statue of Dhyan Chand. It’s why in Los Angeles, when India’s team arrived there in 1932, a headline blared:

Hockey Kings Arrive Today

They Will Be Accompanied By Their Many Wives

There are 2 Lions In The Team

It is why while attending an Olympics, a reference to India and hockey was inescapable. "You won how many golds?", strangers would ask, and I’d preen like a boy on a first date. In 1996, Sports Illustrated, America’s premier sports magazine, even sent a writer down to investigate this strange sport they knew as field hockey and the grand legacy of the masterful Indians.

By then standards had dived, but there was no glee attached to India’s fall, and even at Sydney 2000, foreigners would tell you, hockey needs India. But, however inconsistent India was, at least India was there at the Games, at least there were players, moments, matches to complain about. At least there was hope. Now all this has been stolen.

For a while, nations take ownership of a sport. Brazil is freakish in its almost constant presence at football’s peak. Kenya was a synonym for distance running. No conversation is possible on rugby without mention of the All Blacks. Of course, teams dip, and rise, for such is sport. But Indian hockey is almost unique, it has walked off a cliff in slow motion, it is a slide without arrest.

Forgetting tradition


Did officials forget how deep this game went, how strong its history was, how powerful their responsibility was? Either way, it has taken a series of staggering decisions, like a coach reportedly refusing assistance from Ric Charlesworth at the qualifiers, to fall so far. Even in mediocrity, Indian hockey has lacked humility.

The worst thing possible has happened to Indian hockey, there is the suggestion that the emotional connection with the game has slipped, that the sporting umbilical chord between nation and national sport is being severed. When athletic heroes are pasted on Indian walls, how many are hockey players?

One day, after repairing and planning, after sound business decisions by astute administrators, India will be great again. But, perhaps, something precious has been lost forever, and a vocabulary almost extinguished. Perhaps, there will be a generation in the future that will think Vampire is only a bat, that the reverse flick is some Twenty 20 cricketing stroke, and that Claudius was just a Roman emperor.
 
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« Reply #29 on: March 12, 2008, 04:44:22 PM »
Why do we not have effigies burning of KPS Gill and his cohorts? How come Parliament is not asking questions to KPS? His number 2 quits and this man has no shame?
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« Reply #30 on: March 13, 2008, 01:24:08 AM »
Why do we not have effigies burning of KPS Gill and his cohorts? How come Parliament is not asking questions to KPS? His number 2 quits and this man has no shame?

bc that would upset you?
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« Reply #31 on: March 13, 2008, 04:03:19 AM »
I would like to see a Modi like figure come and shake up the IHF, why Modi in fact a Subhash Chandra like figure who will come and pour money into the sport and literally wrest control away from the IHF.
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Re: (NC)Hockey : India misses olympics
« Reply #32 on: March 13, 2008, 03:50:37 PM »
Why do we not have effigies burning of KPS Gill and his cohorts? How come Parliament is not asking questions to KPS? His number 2 quits and this man has no shame?

bc that would upset you?

thats a good reason. or maybe because Gill is not a phorener and did not kick out a ganguly (or his type)?
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Re: (NC)Hockey : India misses olympics
« Reply #33 on: March 13, 2008, 04:07:56 PM »
Why do we not have effigies burning of KPS Gill and his cohorts? How come Parliament is not asking questions to KPS? His number 2 quits and this man has no shame?

bc that would upset you?

thats a good reason. or maybe because Gill is not a phorener and did not kick out a ganguly (or his type)?

Oh but he did sir, He dropped Dhanraj Pillay rather unceremoniously and he did bring in Gerhard Rach so there is a preceedent here...
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Re: (NC)Hockey : India misses olympics
« Reply #34 on: March 13, 2008, 06:46:32 PM »
Why do we not have effigies burning of KPS Gill and his cohorts? How come Parliament is not asking questions to KPS? His number 2 quits and this man has no shame?

bc that would upset you?

thats a good reason. or maybe because Gill is not a phorener and did not kick out a ganguly (or his type)?

and there, we have ganguly on an indian hockey thread.
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Re: (NC)Hockey : India misses olympics
« Reply #35 on: March 13, 2008, 06:57:16 PM »
Why do we not have effigies burning of KPS Gill and his cohorts? How come Parliament is not asking questions to KPS? His number 2 quits and this man has no shame?

bc that would upset you?

thats a good reason. or maybe because Gill is not a phorener and did not kick out a ganguly (or his type)?

and there, we have ganguly on an indian hockey thread.

anything to make you happy
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