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[Cernunnos]

http://www.triplem.com.au/brisbane/sport/haydenspray.html

Three cheers to the Chennai Kings (or whatever) ..

[cricinfo]

Cerru what to hear...it is so shameful ...BCCI should have lodged a strong protest with ACB and suspend Hayden from playing in IPL . But we are a country where we are always ready to lick white-ass...does not surprise me anymore specially when i found so-called educated indians comparing SG to Monkey .We deserve this...

[feverpitch]

In so far as the mocking tone used by Hayden to mimic how Indians speak is used derogatorily and as a marker of identity, shouldn't this also qualify as racism? In which case, shouldn't the ICC be acting peremptorily rather than wait for the BCCI lodge a protest? Would k-i-c care to explain?

[LosingNow]

Is there a way to flood this station with emails/comments?

I definitely want to send them the link to the "Andrew Symonds = Monkey research" article posted by Gouravk

[kban1]

In so far as the mocking tone used by Hayden to mimic how Indians speak is used derogatorily and as a marker of identity, shouldn't this also qualify as racism? In which case, shouldn't the ICC be acting peremptorily rather than wait for the BCCI lodge a protest? Would k-i-c care to explain?

I think Kadambari Murali in HT advanced the same argument as well -- mockery based on accent could be termed as racism.

BTW, why do you want others to explain what is already apparent to most ? ostritches with their head stuck in the sand and pining for the glory days of the raj will not understand no matter who does the explaining.

[cricinfo]

Here is the feedback section to these aussie bastards ...

http://www.triplem.com.au/brisbane/feedback/index.html

[dextrous]

In so far as the mocking tone used by Hayden to mimic how Indians speak is used derogatorily and as a marker of identity, shouldn't this also qualify as racism? In which case, shouldn't the ICC be acting peremptorily rather than wait for the BCCI lodge a protest? Would k-i-c care to explain?

I think Kadambari Murali in HT advanced the same argument as well -- mockery based on accent could be termed as racism.

BTW, why do you want others to explain what is already apparent to most ? ostritches with their head stuck in the sand and pining for the glory days of the raj will not understand no matter who does the explaining.

hey, now, rams thinks hayden is one of the "good guys"

[time2frenzy]

I think BCCI shud immediately throw away these Aussie racists from IPL , but with Modi/Shahs at helm, its never going to happen...

[Cernunnos]

In so far as the mocking tone used by Hayden to mimic how Indians speak is used derogatorily and as a marker of identity, shouldn't this also qualify as racism? In which case, shouldn't the ICC be acting peremptorily rather than wait for the BCCI lodge a protest? Would k-i-c care to explain?

Hayden was trying his best to speak in Ishant Sharma's accent. How is that racist?

k-i-c

[dextrous]

In so far as the mocking tone used by Hayden to mimic how Indians speak is used derogatorily and as a marker of identity, shouldn't this also qualify as racism? In which case, shouldn't the ICC be acting peremptorily rather than wait for the BCCI lodge a protest? Would k-i-c care to explain?

Hayden was trying his best to speak in Ishant Sharma's accent. How is that racist?

k-i-c

wow.

[teamindia]

I think BCCI shud immediately throw away these Aussie racists from IPL , but with Modi/Shahs at helm, its never going to happen...

No. Let them come to India and give them the time of their life..

[kban1]

In so far as the mocking tone used by Hayden to mimic how Indians speak is used derogatorily and as a marker of identity, shouldn't this also qualify as racism? In which case, shouldn't the ICC be acting peremptorily rather than wait for the BCCI lodge a protest? Would k-i-c care to explain?

Hayden was trying his best to speak in Ishant Sharma's accent. How is that racist?

Whether it is racist or not is arguable, generally speaking.

But given the standards that have been defined to judge racism this cricketing season down under, the mocking tone of the comments with the emphasis on poor diction, pronunciation and language usage in Hayden's mimicry leaves it very much open to be judged as racism --making fun of an accent of a non native English speaker.

Remember, racism is about perception and given the standards as set by monkeygate, this line of argument flies just as well.

[LosingNow]

In so far as the mocking tone used by Hayden to mimic how Indians speak is used derogatorily and as a marker of identity, shouldn't this also qualify as racism? In which case, shouldn't the ICC be acting peremptorily rather than wait for the BCCI lodge a protest? Would k-i-c care to explain?

Hayden was trying his best to speak in Ishant Sharma's accent. How is that racist?

Whether it is racist or not is arguable, generally speaking.

But given the standards that have been defined to judge racism this cricketing season down under, the mocking tone of the comments with the emphasis on poor diction, pronunciation and language usage in Hayden's mimicry leaves it very much open to be judged as racism --making fun of an accent of a non native English speaker.

Remember, racism is about perception and given the standards as set by monkeygate, this line of argument flies just as well.

Agree...

[ramshorns]

In so far as the mocking tone used by Hayden to mimic how Indians speak is used derogatorily and as a marker of identity, shouldn't this also qualify as racism? In which case, shouldn't the ICC be acting peremptorily rather than wait for the BCCI lodge a protest? Would k-i-c care to explain?

I think Kadambari Murali in HT advanced the same argument as well -- mockery based on accent could be termed as racism.

BTW, why do you want others to explain what is already apparent to most ? ostritches with their head stuck in the sand and pining for the glory days of the raj will not understand no matter who does the explaining.

hey, now, rams thinks hayden is one of the "good guys"

I never condone over the top behaviour.  Having said that from the things I read about Hayden especially things related to India and his admiration for the culture I happen to like him and think he is a good guy.

[feverpitch]

I never condone over the top behaviour.  Having said that from the things I read about Hayden especially things related to India and his admiration for the culture I happen to like him and think he is a good guy.

Salaam [Brown] Sahib!

You are rich!!!!!

[cricinfo]

I never condone over the top behaviour.  Having said that from the things I read about Hayden especially things related to India and his admiration for the culture I happen to like him and think he is a good guy.

Salaam [Brown] Sahib!

You are rich!!!!!

VVS will be ashamed that he has such fans

[teamindia]

In so far as the mocking tone used by Hayden to mimic how Indians speak is used derogatorily and as a marker of identity, shouldn't this also qualify as racism? In which case, shouldn't the ICC be acting peremptorily rather than wait for the BCCI lodge a protest? Would k-i-c care to explain?

I think Kadambari Murali in HT advanced the same argument as well -- mockery based on accent could be termed as racism.

BTW, why do you want others to explain what is already apparent to most ? ostritches with their head stuck in the sand and pining for the glory days of the raj will not understand no matter who does the explaining.

hey, now, rams thinks hayden is one of the "good guys"

I never condone over the top behaviour.  Having said that from the things I read about Hayden especially things related to India and his admiration for the culture I happen to like him and think he is a good guy.

Oh...
- mimicking a player.
- calling another a obnoxious weed.
- inviting a fellow half of your age to boxing ring.
- Trying to support the lie that the monkey was telling.

Great admiration I must say.

[pipsqueak]

Hayden is a devout Roman Catholic and says

"When I’m in trouble, I ask: ‘What would Christ do?'"


Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Hayden

[LosingNow]

I never condone over the top behaviour.  Having said that from the things I read about Hayden especially things related to India and his admiration for the culture I happen to like him and think he is a good guy.

Salaam [Brown] Sahib!

You are rich!!!!!

VVS will be ashamed that he has such fans

VVS .. what has he got to do with this issue

[ramshorns]

In so far as the mocking tone used by Hayden to mimic how Indians speak is used derogatorily and as a marker of identity, shouldn't this also qualify as racism? In which case, shouldn't the ICC be acting peremptorily rather than wait for the BCCI lodge a protest? Would k-i-c care to explain?

I think Kadambari Murali in HT advanced the same argument as well -- mockery based on accent could be termed as racism.

BTW, why do you want others to explain what is already apparent to most ? ostritches with their head stuck in the sand and pining for the glory days of the raj will not understand no matter who does the explaining.

hey, now, rams thinks hayden is one of the "good guys"

I never condone over the top behaviour.  Having said that from the things I read about Hayden especially things related to India and his admiration for the culture I happen to like him and think he is a good guy.

Oh...
- mimicking a player.
- calling another a obnoxious weed.
- inviting a fellow half of your age to boxing ring.
- Trying to support the lie that the monkey was telling.

Great admiration I must say.

Look come with something more than some quotes from here and there or talk shows. 

There were times I mimicked people too.  So what does that make me some kind of an outcast.....No need going overboard on simple things...

[inoc]

Hayden is a devout Roman Catholic and says

"When I’m in trouble, I ask: ‘What would Christ do?'"


Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Hayden

hey pips welcome back. mwah mwah

[teamindia]

In so far as the mocking tone used by Hayden to mimic how Indians speak is used derogatorily and as a marker of identity, shouldn't this also qualify as racism? In which case, shouldn't the ICC be acting peremptorily rather than wait for the BCCI lodge a protest? Would k-i-c care to explain?

I think Kadambari Murali in HT advanced the same argument as well -- mockery based on accent could be termed as racism.

BTW, why do you want others to explain what is already apparent to most ? ostritches with their head stuck in the sand and pining for the glory days of the raj will not understand no matter who does the explaining.

hey, now, rams thinks hayden is one of the "good guys"

I never condone over the top behaviour.  Having said that from the things I read about Hayden especially things related to India and his admiration for the culture I happen to like him and think he is a good guy.

Oh...
- mimicking a player.
- calling another a obnoxious weed.
- inviting a fellow half of your age to boxing ring.
- Trying to support the lie that the monkey was telling.

Great admiration I must say.

Look come with something more than some quotes from here and there or talk shows. 

There were times I mimicked people too.  So what does that make me some kind of an outcast.....No need going overboard on simple things...

Really? Show me the great stuff the guy has said/written that you listened/read and us poor souls missed.

[Blwe_torch]

Hayden is a devout Roman Catholic and says

"When I’m in trouble, I ask: ‘What would Christ do?'"


Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Hayden

hey pips welcome back. mwah mwah

control...control.....

[Libran]

I never condone over the top behaviour.  Having said that from the things I read about Hayden especially things related to India and his admiration for the culture I happen to like him and think he is a good guy.

Salaam [Brown] Sahib!

You are rich!!!!!

VVS will be ashamed that he has such fans

So long as nothing is said against VVS...anything goes 

[ramshorns]

I never condone over the top behaviour.  Having said that from the things I read about Hayden especially things related to India and his admiration for the culture I happen to like him and think he is a good guy.

Salaam [Brown] Sahib!

You are rich!!!!!

VVS will be ashamed that he has such fans

So long as nothing is said against VVS...anything goes 

or for that matter Ganguly especially here.....

[Libran]

I never condone over the top behaviour.  Having said that from the things I read about Hayden especially things related to India and his admiration for the culture I happen to like him and think he is a good guy.

Salaam [Brown] Sahib!

You are rich!!!!!

VVS will be ashamed that he has such fans

So long as nothing is said against VVS...anything goes 

or for that matter Ganguly especially here.....

Read right... anything includes Ganguly 

[sudzz]

The only and the best way to get back to Hayden is to clean bowl him off the first ball (off Ishant of course) two three times on the trot.

There is no sense in engaging in verbal duels with filth like Hayden and the rest of the ex-con's. See there was a reason why the Queen of England wanted these obnoxious humans out of her system and not contaminate the general gene pool of the English. Now the devout catholic has gone and proved it in more words than one!!!!

[keep-it-cool]

In so far as the mocking tone used by Hayden to mimic how Indians speak is used derogatorily and as a marker of identity, shouldn't this also qualify as racism? In which case, shouldn't the ICC be acting peremptorily rather than wait for the BCCI lodge a protest? Would k-i-c care to explain?

Hayden was trying his best to speak in Ishant Sharma's accent. How is that racist?

k-i-c

well, thanks for answering on my behalf.

i dont find this racist. in poor taste, yes. racist, no.

[gouravk]

right. just as i dont find monkey racist.

[sudzz]

"I am sick of political correctness. Someone asked Hayden what he thought of Harbhajan and he gave his view. Aren't you allowed to give an opinion any more? It's bullshit.''
Jeff Thomson says it as he sees it. In the prelude, Matthew Hayden had called Harbhajan Singh an "obnoxious weed" on radio and was criticised widely for that


http://content-gulf.cricinfo.com/magazine/content/current/story/328723.html

[ruchir]

The only and the best way to get back to Hayden is to clean bowl him off the first ball (off Ishant of course) two three times on the trot.

There is no sense in engaging in verbal duels with filth like Hayden and the rest of the ex-con's. See there was a reason why the Queen of England wanted these obnoxious humans out of her system and not contaminate the general gene pool of the English. Now the devout catholic has gone and proved it in more words than one!!!!

I don't know if it makes sense in calling all Australians of today, ex-cons. These are not the same people whom the queen purged. Same like, North Indians of today are not the same Aryans who supposedly invaded India long long time ago and supposedly pushed the 'real' Indians down south. There are a lot of South Indian historians who believe that 'real' Indians are generally dark skinned, like South Indians. Anyone who is fair skinned is a descendant of Aryans and therefore not 'real' Indian, because his/her ancestors came from Iraq or Germany or Greece or wherever the Aryans originated from. Would you agree with this theory?

Don Bradman was supposedly a nice person and cricketer. Steve Waugh has invested a lot of time and money in rural and sick areas of West Bengal. When you say all Australians are ex-cons, you are making a general statement and including some good people too. I know for sure that African students who come to study in India are subjected to some of the worst possible ridicule by born-in-India students. I guess those Africans feel that all Indians are like those students... uncouth, ill-mannered, potty-mouth. Would you agree with that? Recently many foreign ladies have been sexually assaulted in India. I guess all these ladies would feel that all Indian males are sexual deviants. Would you agree with that? There are pitfalls in making generalized statements.

[sudzz]

The only and the best way to get back to Hayden is to clean bowl him off the first ball (off Ishant of course) two three times on the trot.

There is no sense in engaging in verbal duels with filth like Hayden and the rest of the ex-con's. See there was a reason why the Queen of England wanted these obnoxious humans out of her system and not contaminate the general gene pool of the English. Now the devout catholic has gone and proved it in more words than one!!!!

I don't know if it makes sense in calling all Australians of today, ex-cons. These are not the same people whom the queen purged. Same like, North Indians of today are not the same Aryans who supposedly invaded India long long time ago and supposedly pushed the 'real' Indians down south. There are a lot of South Indian historians who believe that 'real' Indians are generally dark skinned, like South Indians. Anyone who is fair skinned is a descendant of Aryans and therefore not 'real' Indian, because his/her ancestors came from Iraq or Germany or Greece or wherever the Aryans originated from. Would you agree with this theory?

Don Bradman was supposedly a nice person and cricketer. Steve Waugh has invested a lot of time and money in rural and sick areas of West Bengal. When you say all Australians are ex-cons, you are making a general statement and including some good people too. I know for sure that African students who come to study in India are subjected to some of the worst possible ridicule by born-in-India students. I guess those Africans feel that all Indians are like those students... uncouth, ill-mannered, potty-mouth. Would you agree with that? Recently many foreign ladies have been sexually assaulted in India. I guess all these ladies would feel that all Indian males are sexual deviants. Would you agree with that? There are pitfalls in making generalized statements.

thanks, you've enlightened me!!!

Dude look at the context in which Iam saying so, they (the Aussies players and media alike) have made some generalised statements so Iam saying this.

Of course I know that generalisation of this kind is wrong but there is a context in which this is being said...

[ruchir]

The only and the best way to get back to Hayden is to clean bowl him off the first ball (off Ishant of course) two three times on the trot.

There is no sense in engaging in verbal duels with filth like Hayden and the rest of the ex-con's. See there was a reason why the Queen of England wanted these obnoxious humans out of her system and not contaminate the general gene pool of the English. Now the devout catholic has gone and proved it in more words than one!!!!

I don't know if it makes sense in calling all Australians of today, ex-cons. These are not the same people whom the queen purged. Same like, North Indians of today are not the same Aryans who supposedly invaded India long long time ago and supposedly pushed the 'real' Indians down south. There are a lot of South Indian historians who believe that 'real' Indians are generally dark skinned, like South Indians. Anyone who is fair skinned is a descendant of Aryans and therefore not 'real' Indian, because his/her ancestors came from Iraq or Germany or Greece or wherever the Aryans originated from. Would you agree with this theory?

Don Bradman was supposedly a nice person and cricketer. Steve Waugh has invested a lot of time and money in rural and sick areas of West Bengal. When you say all Australians are ex-cons, you are making a general statement and including some good people too. I know for sure that African students who come to study in India are subjected to some of the worst possible ridicule by born-in-India students. I guess those Africans feel that all Indians are like those students... uncouth, ill-mannered, potty-mouth. Would you agree with that? Recently many foreign ladies have been sexually assaulted in India. I guess all these ladies would feel that all Indian males are sexual deviants. Would you agree with that? There are pitfalls in making generalized statements.

thanks, you've enlightened me!!!

Dude look at the context in which Iam saying so, they (the Aussies players and media alike) have made some generalised statements so Iam saying this.

Of course I know that generalisation of this kind is wrong but there is a context in which this is being said...

Okay, maybe I was confused. Did AUS players and media call all Indians by some name or adjective? Maybe I must have missed reading it. Can you point it out to me?

[sudzz]

The only and the best way to get back to Hayden is to clean bowl him off the first ball (off Ishant of course) two three times on the trot.

There is no sense in engaging in verbal duels with filth like Hayden and the rest of the ex-con's. See there was a reason why the Queen of England wanted these obnoxious humans out of her system and not contaminate the general gene pool of the English. Now the devout catholic has gone and proved it in more words than one!!!!

I don't know if it makes sense in calling all Australians of today, ex-cons. These are not the same people whom the queen purged. Same like, North Indians of today are not the same Aryans who supposedly invaded India long long time ago and supposedly pushed the 'real' Indians down south. There are a lot of South Indian historians who believe that 'real' Indians are generally dark skinned, like South Indians. Anyone who is fair skinned is a descendant of Aryans and therefore not 'real' Indian, because his/her ancestors came from Iraq or Germany or Greece or wherever the Aryans originated from. Would you agree with this theory?

Don Bradman was supposedly a nice person and cricketer. Steve Waugh has invested a lot of time and money in rural and sick areas of West Bengal. When you say all Australians are ex-cons, you are making a general statement and including some good people too. I know for sure that African students who come to study in India are subjected to some of the worst possible ridicule by born-in-India students. I guess those Africans feel that all Indians are like those students... uncouth, ill-mannered, potty-mouth. Would you agree with that? Recently many foreign ladies have been sexually assaulted in India. I guess all these ladies would feel that all Indian males are sexual deviants. Would you agree with that? There are pitfalls in making generalized statements.

thanks, you've enlightened me!!!

Dude look at the context in which Iam saying so, they (the Aussies players and media alike) have made some generalised statements so Iam saying this.

Of course I know that generalisation of this kind is wrong but there is a context in which this is being said...

Okay, maybe I was confused. Did AUS players and media call all Indians by some name or adjective? Maybe I must have missed reading it. Can you point it out to me?

If you listen to the radio show where Hayden said all this crap, you can hear the lady going...hey what's with all the Indian's or something like that...thats when this fat sloth goes....so and so was a so and so even when I first met his etc...

[ruchir]

The only and the best way to get back to Hayden is to clean bowl him off the first ball (off Ishant of course) two three times on the trot.

There is no sense in engaging in verbal duels with filth like Hayden and the rest of the ex-con's. See there was a reason why the Queen of England wanted these obnoxious humans out of her system and not contaminate the general gene pool of the English. Now the devout catholic has gone and proved it in more words than one!!!!

I don't know if it makes sense in calling all Australians of today, ex-cons. These are not the same people whom the queen purged. Same like, North Indians of today are not the same Aryans who supposedly invaded India long long time ago and supposedly pushed the 'real' Indians down south. There are a lot of South Indian historians who believe that 'real' Indians are generally dark skinned, like South Indians. Anyone who is fair skinned is a descendant of Aryans and therefore not 'real' Indian, because his/her ancestors came from Iraq or Germany or Greece or wherever the Aryans originated from. Would you agree with this theory?

Don Bradman was supposedly a nice person and cricketer. Steve Waugh has invested a lot of time and money in rural and sick areas of West Bengal. When you say all Australians are ex-cons, you are making a general statement and including some good people too. I know for sure that African students who come to study in India are subjected to some of the worst possible ridicule by born-in-India students. I guess those Africans feel that all Indians are like those students... uncouth, ill-mannered, potty-mouth. Would you agree with that? Recently many foreign ladies have been sexually assaulted in India. I guess all these ladies would feel that all Indian males are sexual deviants. Would you agree with that? There are pitfalls in making generalized statements.

thanks, you've enlightened me!!!

Dude look at the context in which Iam saying so, they (the Aussies players and media alike) have made some generalised statements so Iam saying this.

Of course I know that generalisation of this kind is wrong but there is a context in which this is being said...

Okay, maybe I was confused. Did AUS players and media call all Indians by some name or adjective? Maybe I must have missed reading it. Can you point it out to me?

If you listen to the radio show where Hayden said all this crap, you can hear the lady going...hey what's with all the Indian's or something like that...thats when this fat sloth goes....so and so was a so and so even when I first met his etc...

Your comment in bold, red reaffirms that you and others sharing your sentiment have either not heard the clip at all or have been unable to properly decipher Australian accent. I heard the clip again and took the pain of transcripting what the lady says in the entire clip:

--

why don't they just shut up and play cricket.

Why don't we get to the <some word, probably scrooge> of the problem and see why they are all so sensitive? What's going on in their lives?

Did you watch...

Did you watch the academy awards last night and get some style tips from the Goerge Clooneys for tonight?

What's she wearing?

Do you get final approval on the frock? Do you get a little showing on what to wear?

Yes, yes.

Not even look.

Oh, shut up!!

Ha ha ha ha.

Perfect.

--

[Cernunnos]

In so far as the mocking tone used by Hayden to mimic how Indians speak is used derogatorily and as a marker of identity, shouldn't this also qualify as racism? In which case, shouldn't the ICC be acting peremptorily rather than wait for the BCCI lodge a protest? Would k-i-c care to explain?

Hayden was trying his best to speak in Ishant Sharma's accent. How is that racist?

k-i-c

well, thanks for answering on my behalf.

i dont find this racist. in poor taste, yes. racist, no.

The keyword used by fever is "also".
But, predictably, you missed out on it.

In otherwords, if monkey can be deemed racist, so can this.

Cernunnos

[RicePlateReddy]

Hayden is a devout Roman Catholic and says

"When I’m in trouble, I ask: ‘What would Christ do?'"


Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Hayden

LOL. These are the exact words that Hansie Cronje used.

[LosingNow]

Hayden is a devout Roman Catholic and says

"When I’m in trouble, I ask: ‘What would Christ do?'"


Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_Hayden

LOL. This are the exact words that Hansie Cronje used.

Ha ha..  there is a "confession" available after committing the sin

[RicePlateReddy]

I think a nice way to sledge Hayden would be to ask him after he misses a ball, "What would Christ do"? Bound to get under his skin.

[gopolks]

IMHO this current Australia Team is very very thinned skinned, and like most people who are thinned skinned, they can dish it out to the extreme, but if someone says something bad about them, they are the first to complain.