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[gouravk]

becoz in the last 25 games he averages 27  (deminnowfied)

[inoc]

I cant set any targets like an avg of 40 in the next 5 games becoz 5 games is simply not enough a long enough period to judge. I would say if he can average 35 for the next 25 games maybe ... (deminnowfied)

how many Indian players have that kind of average? Oh and at a 85+ SR too right?

Thats not how it should work though.

India being a batting oriented side (maybe the new crop of bowlers will change that in the future) we need batsmen to score more runs than other teams in the top echelons of the game who have bowlers to back up par/sub par scores.

In the previous team we had four batsmen with 40+ averages (RD 39+). Two of them with high SRs. AUS in comparison have five.

In this team we have only MSD  and SRT with 40+ average and knowing that we are building a team i totally agree that due time should be provided for our newrathis to reach similar standards. Hopefully YS will turn out to be one of them. That leaves another one who needs to have at least high 30 average and if we play six batsmen including MSD then two others with 30 - 35 ish averages.

I would expect the number three batsman in the side, particularly one with not such a good SR to be one of the higher scoring guys. GG if he has to be a successful number three has to fulfill that promise. I am ready to forget whatever he has done in the past if he, starting from now, delivers an average close to that.

In the team building process, with SRT here for at least the short term and MSD continuing his good work (including taking extra responsibility higher up) and YS regaining some form a GG at number 3 performing as suggested above would create the time and space for RU/RS and the like to contribute in their own way. We have VS and IP, if playing, to back them up. Looks like a good place to start.

GG certainly cannot have another 25 sub/= 30 avg matches counting from now. He has had far too many opportunities before for him to be allowed another 25. He has started well averaging 141 now but if it drops back to 30 we should look for someone else.

[keep-it-cool]

30 is too low a target. I would hope for 40+ and take 35+, if that comes against a fair mix of teams and across conditions. I doubt the 25 match criterion will hold because either he will be dropped way before that or he will become a certainty way before that.

Frankly I'd be disappointed if he only doubles his score from here on in this series although I see the goodwill of this 100 carrying him onto the champions trophy squad.

[justforkix]

We can actually start from the end of WC and fromt he BD series when he was more or less a certainty in the XI unless we played 5 bowlers.

Non-Minnows: 16 ODIs - average = 29.8 @ 77. IMO, this needs to go up to 35 at low 80s S/R in another say 10 ODIs

[keep-it-cool]

I thought he played in only 2 or 3 of the Aussie ODIs ... but maybe I am mistaken or probably that was when we played five bowlers.

I think it may also make sense to evaluate how he fits in at some of the other slots in the batting order like say No4 or 5, if his problems are largely to do with batting earlier on ... I am practically convinced that he plays spin much better than most of the other candidates who are coming in. So, just as Uthappa and Jadeja earlier fitted in perfectly into the No6 slot, this guy could be quite useful in the middle order if not at the top. He runs well, can place the ball and has some power in his shots as well. Hope these things are also kept in mind as well.

[justforkix]

He was injured after 3 ODIs in the Aussie series. I think he missed the XI in the Eng ODIs when we played 5 bowlers - I may be wrong in 1-2 ODIs. But he has played in 16 out of 24 ODIs since WC. He was injured in 4 ODIs and left out of 3 ODIs....

[WicketView]

I thought he played in only 2 or 3 of the Aussie ODIs ... but maybe I am mistaken or probably that was when we played five bowlers.

I think it may also make sense to evaluate how he fits in at some of the other slots in the batting order like say No4 or 5, if his problems are largely to do with batting earlier on ... I am practically convinced that he plays spin much better than most of the other candidates who are coming in. So, just as Uthappa and Jadeja earlier fitted in perfectly into the No6 slot, this guy could be quite useful in the middle order if not at the top. He runs well, can place the ball and has some power in his shots as well. Hope these things are also kept in mind as well.

Yes, as I have said earlier he may suit lower order slots more. But I thought that we had 3 good prospective and established lower order batsmen in Uthappa, Dhoni, Yuvi. It is the upper order slots that need to be filled, and perhaps most importantly we need a number 3. Maybe, Dhoni is trying to move up, creating space at the bottom?

[keep-it-cool]

I thought he played in only 2 or 3 of the Aussie ODIs ... but maybe I am mistaken or probably that was when we played five bowlers.

I think it may also make sense to evaluate how he fits in at some of the other slots in the batting order like say No4 or 5, if his problems are largely to do with batting earlier on ... I am practically convinced that he plays spin much better than most of the other candidates who are coming in. So, just as Uthappa and Jadeja earlier fitted in perfectly into the No6 slot, this guy could be quite useful in the middle order if not at the top. He runs well, can place the ball and has some power in his shots as well. Hope these things are also kept in mind as well.

Yes, as I have said earlier he may suit lower order slots more. But I thought that we had 3 good prospective and established lower order batsmen in Uthappa, Dhoni, Yuvi. It is the upper order slots that need to be filled, and perhaps most importantly we need a number 3. Maybe, Dhoni is trying to move up, creating space at the bottom?

if yuvi's problem is spin, maybe he should look at the No3 slot

[WicketView]

I thought he played in only 2 or 3 of the Aussie ODIs ... but maybe I am mistaken or probably that was when we played five bowlers.

I think it may also make sense to evaluate how he fits in at some of the other slots in the batting order like say No4 or 5, if his problems are largely to do with batting earlier on ... I am practically convinced that he plays spin much better than most of the other candidates who are coming in. So, just as Uthappa and Jadeja earlier fitted in perfectly into the No6 slot, this guy could be quite useful in the middle order if not at the top. He runs well, can place the ball and has some power in his shots as well. Hope these things are also kept in mind as well.

Yes, as I have said earlier he may suit lower order slots more. But I thought that we had 3 good prospective and established lower order batsmen in Uthappa, Dhoni, Yuvi. It is the upper order slots that need to be filled, and perhaps most importantly we need a number 3. Maybe, Dhoni is trying to move up, creating space at the bottom?

if yuvi's problem is spin, maybe he should look at the No3 slot

Well, his other problem used to be playing away from the body ... but maybe he is in a much better shape in that. So perhaps.

[keep-it-cool]

I thought he played in only 2 or 3 of the Aussie ODIs ... but maybe I am mistaken or probably that was when we played five bowlers.

I think it may also make sense to evaluate how he fits in at some of the other slots in the batting order like say No4 or 5, if his problems are largely to do with batting earlier on ... I am practically convinced that he plays spin much better than most of the other candidates who are coming in. So, just as Uthappa and Jadeja earlier fitted in perfectly into the No6 slot, this guy could be quite useful in the middle order if not at the top. He runs well, can place the ball and has some power in his shots as well. Hope these things are also kept in mind as well.

Yes, as I have said earlier he may suit lower order slots more. But I thought that we had 3 good prospective and established lower order batsmen in Uthappa, Dhoni, Yuvi. It is the upper order slots that need to be filled, and perhaps most importantly we need a number 3. Maybe, Dhoni is trying to move up, creating space at the bottom?

if yuvi's problem is spin, maybe he should look at the No3 slot

Well, his other problem used to be playing away from the body ... but maybe he is in a much better shape in that. So perhaps.

haha .. cant play spin, cant play pace .. still our best batsman in ODIs .. maybe GG has hope, after all!!

[WicketView]

It is called ODI

[gouravk]

Well there is only one quality spinner playing ODI cricket at the moment in the world and he is likely to retire soon ... so I dont think Yuvi should be too worried. He can handle sub-quality spinners alright.

[keep-it-cool]

Did not see the inns so wont comment much on it. Was on flight from the wintry snowstorms of the Midwest on my way to India so did not get time to respond. All I can say is that I would be pleasantly surprised if he manages to double his score so far in the rest of the series ...

So, target for Gambhir is 141 in the next 6 games to please    

Original post modified to reflect the updated RFR (required fluke rate)

[keep-it-cool]

Did not see the inns so wont comment much on it. Was on flight from the wintry snowstorms of the Midwest on my way to India

So, where are you based in India?

[gouravk]

currently at home in pune but will be going to chennai on sunday ... will be based more or less in chennai for the next 4 months ...

[justforkix]

currently at home in pune but will be going to chennai on sunday ... will be based more or less in chennai for the next 4 months ...

Oh - wow !! - I will PM you when I fly down to Chennai (which is typically every other week  ). Let us meet up if both of us are free.

OTOH, you said that you will be at India-SA test match, right? I will also be there - let us meet then at the stadium  - I may be the 1st in the DG to meet 

[gouravk]

Sure, definitely. Maybe you will be able to provide me with some tips on surviving in Chennai 

[OldPal]

Sure, definitely. Maybe you will be able to provide me with some tips on surviving in Chennai 

Drink the Chennai Chai from an open stall .. watch and enjoy the way they make it.

[OldPal]

Khuda aaj bahut naaraz hain ...

Dekha unhon ne bahut ghoor ke Gambhir ko
Lekin woh to ball ko tap kar ke single chura ke chale gaye.

Aa-daab (no ruchir cant do that again )

Not sure how i missed this gem ...


Dekha unhon ne bahut ghoor ke Gambhir ko
Lekin woh to ball ko tap kar ke single chura ke chale gaye.                         Wah waah ...

Aage arz kiya hi ..
Aur Daale jab unhon ne slog overs Gambhir ko ...
Tab bhi, vo ball ko tap kar ke single chura ke chale gaye  ....




you can also read as :
Aur Daale jab unhon ne slog overs Gambhir ko ...
Tab Bat ne ball ke Chakke Chudda diye ….

[feverpitch]

Well there is only one quality spinner playing ODI cricket at the moment in the world and he is likely to retire soon ... so I dont think Yuvi should be too worried. He can handle sub-quality spinners alright.

u dont need a quality spinner to get yuvi.... just let him know that the bowler is supposed to be a spinner...

see how he jumps like a cat on a hot tin roof against hogg...

[gouravk]

Disagree. He handled hogg pretty well in india. maybe it goes to show that in odi cricket where the role of a spinner has inherent limitations, yuvi is safe. maybe not quite so in test cricket.

[Cover Point]

Khuda aaj bahut naaraz hain ...

Dekha unhon ne bahut ghoor ke Gambhir ko
Lekin woh to ball ko tap kar ke single chura ke chale gaye.

Aa-daab (no ruchir cant do that again )

Not sure how i missed this gem ...


Dekha unhon ne bahut ghoor ke Gambhir ko
Lekin woh to ball ko tap kar ke single chura ke chale gaye.                         Wah waah ...

Aage arz kiya hi ..
Aur Daale jab unhon ne slog overs Gambhir ko ...
Tab bhi, vo ball ko tap kar ke single chura ke chale gaye  ....




you can also read as :
Aur Daale jab unhon ne slog overs Gambhir ko ...
Tab Bat ne ball ke Chakke Chudda diye ….

wah wah .... aapne to humare dube sher ko chabba bana diya

[keep-it-cool]

Disagree. He handled hogg pretty well in india. maybe it goes to show that in odi cricket where the role of a spinner has inherent limitations, yuvi is safe. maybe not quite so in test cricket.

Completely agree.

We seem to be saying and agreeing on the same thing about Yuvi across multiple threads .. so much debate after getting out once to Murali!!!!!!!

[keep-it-cool]

currently at home in pune but will be going to chennai on sunday ... will be based more or less in chennai for the next 4 months ...

ok ... lets see if i come down to chennai, we could probably meet up ... JFK may also happen to be there on the same day

[justforkix]

currently at home in pune but will be going to chennai on sunday ... will be based more or less in chennai for the next 4 months ...

ok ... lets see if i come down to chennai, we could probably meet up ... JFK may also happen to be there on the same day

If its a weekend, there will always be a 50% probability that I will be there 

[keep-it-cool]

If it is a weekend, there is 0% probability that I'll be there

[Cover Point]

If it is a weekend, there is 0% probability that I'll be there

Actually there is also a 0% probability that I would be there. So lets plan to meet

[caught and bowled]

 

Gambhir's formula for success in Australia
PTI
Friday, February 08, 2008  13:55 IST     

 
BRISBANE:India's dashing batsman Gautam Gambhir has devised a simple formula to be successful in Australian conditions in the ongoing cricket tri-series -- see the ball, hit the ball and play in the 'V'.

The young Gambhir, the lone centurion in the series so far with a 99-ball unbeaten 102 against Sri Lanka at Brisbane last Tuesday, said the conditions Down Under were conducive for strokeplay and he preferred to meet the ball on the front foot.

"The plan is simple, see the ball, hit the ball and play in the 'V'. The conditions here give a batsman full value for his strokes though (admittedly) you need a lot of courage and determination," said Gambhir, who joined the Indian squad for the Twenty20 and tri-series matches.

"There is a lot of talk that when you come to Australia you play on the backfoot all the time. But if you ask me, the plan should be to meet the ball on the front foot", he said.

The Delhi batsman admitted that going on the front foot against genuine fast bowlers like Brett Lee and Mitchell Johnson may not be easy.

"It's difficult to get on to the front foot when you are facing genuine quick bowlers like Brett Lee or Mitchell Johnson but there is very little chance when you are sitting on the backfoot," he added.

Unlike most of his team-mates, including skipper Mahendra Singh Dhoni, Gambhir has experience of playing in Australia as well as of facing some of the quicks who are now part of their national squad.

"I had played in Australia for India 'A' before and have faced the likes of Mitchell Johnson and Shaun Tait. I did well then and to be honest, I have never felt this confident before," Gambhir said.

Gambhir, a left-hander with quicksilver reflexes, has a simple mantra in life: "You don't win a silver, you lose a gold." The inference is clear: win at all costs.

"That is what I believe in and this is what I want to maintain throughout my playing career," said the youngster, who has the potential to build a great deal on his three centuries from 39 ODI games as of now.

Gambhir seems to come on to his own against the Sri Lankans. He has two centuries from three games against the neighbours and averages a Bradmanesque 116.50 against them.

He admitted of having difficulty in picking up Muttiah Muralitharan initially but towards the later stages of his innings in Brisbane was lording over the world's most successful bowler ever.

"I'm coming on the back of a good Ranji season where I played quality spin bowling. I think this will keep me in good stead against the Lankans."

Gambhir's nimble footwork has been lauded in the past as well. The likes of Imran Khan and Ravi Shastri have even gone on to claim that he possesses the best footwork against the spinners.

"That is because even as a kid I played quality spin bowling, but more than the feet the positive approach is in the mind. If you are sure and confident in the mind, invariably your feet will take you where you should be," he said.     

Gambhir does not feel that there is anything missing when he bats at number 3.

"What is paramount is what the team management wants. We have to support our skipper and make sure that India wins, what is our batting slot or who gets the new ball are all inconsequential," he said.

"Veeru and myself have a great understanding since we have played a lot of cricket together, while Sachin 'paaji' gives a lot of confidence when I'm batting with him, so it is a treat to bat with either of them.

Though Gambhir is proud of the Twenty20 World Cup triumph in South Africa, he still maintains that the real stuff is Test cricket and One-day Internationals.

"September 24 , 2007 when we won in Johannesburg is one of the proudest days of my life but I'd still want to be remembered as a good Test and one-day player," said Gambhir, who is India's highest run-getter in the Twenty20 format.

[keep-it-cool]

Main post updated for latest score.

Target now stands at 120 runs in a minimum of 5 and maximum of 8 matches!!

 

[keep-it-cool]

Now stands at 85 runs in a minimum of 4 and maximum of 7 matches

[WicketView]

Missed his innings yesterday. Can someone describe his innings?

(Good way to irritate god I guess )

[Cover Point]

Missed his innings yesterday. Can someone describe his innings?

(Good way to irritate god I guess )

It was Godly in nature.

There were some big thunderbolts and some quick lightning singles.

Panditji ran him out though to please 

[LosingNow]

Missed his innings yesterday. Can someone describe his innings?

(Good way to irritate god I guess )

It was Godly in nature.

There were some big thunderbolts and some quick lightning singles.

Panditji ran him out though to please 

There was no run there .. IMO, GG backed too much but the stop by the fielder was outstanding too.

[Cover Point]

Missed his innings yesterday. Can someone describe his innings?

(Good way to irritate god I guess )

It was Godly in nature.

There were some big thunderbolts and some quick lightning singles.

Panditji ran him out though to please 

There was no run there .. IMO, GG backed too much but the stop by the fielder was outstanding too.

Doesnt it sound better to say Panditji ne bhagwaan ko khush kiya?

[gouravk]

Which Pandit ??

Tangentially Rohit Sharma's batting is a thing of beauty. Delightful.

[keep-it-cool]

Which Pandit ??

Tangentially Rohit Sharma's batting is a thing of beauty. Delightful.

Sharmas are generally pandits.

Agreed.

[Cover Point]

Which Pandit ??

Tangentially Rohit Sharma's batting is a thing of beauty. Delightful.

Sharmas are generally pandits.

Agreed.

Generally? For the values of Sharmas Generally tends towards Always!!

[OldPal]

Which Pandit ??

Tangentially Rohit Sharma's batting is a thing of beauty. Delightful.

Sharmas are generally pandits.
Agreed.

Generally? For the values of Sharmas Generally tends towards Always!!

Sharmas, from Punjab, Haryana,uttarakhand , are majority Pandits. There are  major section of Sharma's in eastern UP that have converted from Naau's (Barbers) and have strated using Sharma as the last name. But it is safe to assume that Punjabi and Haryana Sharma's are brahmins . Thus i have no issues with "Generally"  .

In these days of sledging and  fighting .. who wants to be pundit anyway..
Here is a video of use of vulgar language  by Two players . Nayarathi Mr Gambhir and the Jhagdalu Mr Afridi .Please note the Audio is rough, thus discertion advised.
Also you have to be amember with 75 + posts to see this . Thus i have posted in a different section .
Please let me know if  some of you think it is too much to handle . Video is the typical cricket clash thus that is fine .

http://www.cricketvoice.com/cricketforum2/index.php/topic,13470.msg189784.html#msg189784

[keep-it-cool]

Main post updated. So, the ask now is 51 runs in a minimum of 3 matches and a maximum of 6 matches. I.e. score at an average of 8.5-17 / innings!!

In runs

Target - 142 282
Scored so far - 102+39+21+35+34 = 231#
Required - 1 51
Innings left - 3 (min); 5-6 (max)*

*Assuming no injuries
#T20 score not counted

Gambhir is useless He will never be able to score at a rate of 0.17 runs per innings unless he gets someone to change the rules is able to score at a rate of 8.5-17/innings in this tournament. (I sincerely hope he does better than that )

 

[justforkix]

36 more required to please