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Re: IPL Tracking Thread (Clarifications on IPL - a lot of q&a)
« Reply #40 on: February 10, 2008, 06:08:47 PM »
Looks like English and WI players will not play in IPL due to overlap with their seasons.

This year it is NZ vs England and Australia vs WI.. so no players from these countries.

Wonder what will happen in 2011 when India has to travel to WI?

well, let's see if this oversponsored circus lasts that long!
This looks like it will last.. lot of money already sunk into this.

I am more worried about ICL.. it is fading fast.. did you (or anyone) know that there was a 50 over ICL final recently. I think they will fold by next year.
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Re: IPL Tracking Thread (Clarifications on IPL - a lot of q&a)
« Reply #41 on: February 10, 2008, 06:15:52 PM »
Looks like English and WI players will not play in IPL due to overlap with their seasons.

This year it is NZ vs England and Australia vs WI.. so no players from these countries.

Wonder what will happen in 2011 when India has to travel to WI?

well, let's see if this oversponsored circus lasts that long!
This looks like it will last.. lot of money already sunk into this.

I am more worried about ICL.. it is fading fast.. did you (or anyone) know that there was a 50 over ICL final recently. I think they will fold by next year.

money might also SINK!

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Re: IPL Tracking Thread (Clarifications on IPL - a lot of q&a)
« Reply #42 on: February 10, 2008, 07:07:52 PM »
Looks like English and WI players will not play in IPL due to overlap with their seasons.

This year it is NZ vs England and Australia vs WI.. so no players from these countries.

Wonder what will happen in 2011 when India has to travel to WI?

well, let's see if this oversponsored circus lasts that long!
This looks like it will last.. lot of money already sunk into this.

I am more worried about ICL.. it is fading fast.. did you (or anyone) know that there was a 50 over ICL final recently. I think they will fold by next year.

money might also SINK!



we might have lost a number of talented youngsters in this process...wonder what is going to happen to them ...i dont see BCCI being gracious and taking these guys under their wings
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Re: IPL Tracking Thread (Clarifications on IPL - a lot of q&a)
« Reply #43 on: February 11, 2008, 02:11:36 AM »
If the ICL goes down - I don't think it will, at least not this early - I have no doubt that all players will be accepted once again into the BCCI fold - with a lot of fanfare about forgiveness etc etc.

My wild prediction is that ICL will fold into the IPL with Zee becoming one of the franchisees.
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Re: IPL Tracking Thread (Clarifications on IPL - a lot of q&a)
« Reply #44 on: February 11, 2008, 10:02:06 AM »
http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,23195318-23210,00.html

Fears IPL will dominate calendar

By Adam Cooper

February 11, 2008 THE Indian Premier League (IPL) is poised to exert its clout over the rest of the world by having cricket's international commitments shifted to suit its own scheduling.

With India's financial power in the game so strong, fears have emerged that the IPL might negotiate a way for all international commitments to be fitted around what is essentially a domestic Twenty20 competition.

That would mean cricket's already jammed schedule would become even tighter if member nations had to juggle their commitments around the months of April and May, which would be reserved exclusively for the multi-million dollar IPL.

Although a sponsorship row between the Australian and Indian boards threatens to keep Australian players out of the inaugural competition, scheduled to begin in Bangalore in April 18, interest in this country continues to grow.

Network Ten announced it had purchased the rights to televise all 59 IPL matches in Australia, for the next five years, even though the likes of Ricky Ponting, Brett Lee and Andrew Symonds might not play this year.

Ten's general manager of sport David White said the network wanted to televise the fledgling competition because of the worldwide Twenty20 boom, and the possibility there might not be other international matches played during that timeframe.


“There are 15 Australian players who have signed with the IPL and they haven't been cleared yet, but they have to let them play at some stage,” White said.

“This is the biggest cricket competition in the world, and the window they'll play it in means there'll be no other cricket played at that time in the future. The money involved in this is so big that it will prevail.”

Other than retirees Shane Warne, Glenn McGrath, Justin Langer and Adam Gilchrist, most Australian players are not assured of playing in this year's IPL.

Cricket Australia (CA) is yet to grant its players clearances because it does not want them endorsing sponsors in the IPL which would clash with sponsors here.

CA officials will this week continue their talks with counterparts in the IPL and the Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) to try to resolve the dispute.

But even if the dispute is resolved and Australian stars are auctioned off between the eight IPL franchises on February 20, the world champions might not take part because of international commitments.

Australia could play in the IPL if their coming tour of Pakistan is cancelled due to security concerns but they are scheduled to arrive in the West Indies in mid-May.

New Zealand's tour of England, beginning in April, is the only other international tour that will clash with the IPL this year.

Several tours are scheduled for April-May 2009, including an Australian visit of South Africa, however several could be shifted given the participants are either allied to or financially reliant on the BCCI.

An International Cricket Council (ICC) spokesman said the scheduled tours were unlikely to change given they were already in place, although they could be shifted by “mutual consent”.

The real power of the IPL could be displayed as early as next week, when ICC nations meet in Kuala Lumpur to discuss the future tours program for 2012-2016.

Ten, which reportedly spent between $10 million and $15 million for the IPL rights, plans to televise all matches either on its main channel or high-definition channel, even given its AFL commitments on Saturdays.

CA has just over a week to resolve its dispute with the IPL to ensure Australian players can take part in the player auction.

Aside from sponsorship protection, CA also wants to ensure its players abide by their memorandum of understanding, which states they must be available for national training and state commitments, and that no more than two players can be signed to any overseas team.
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Re: IPL Tracking Thread (Clarifications on IPL - a lot of q&a)
« Reply #45 on: February 11, 2008, 10:03:44 AM »
Smart move by SRK to rope in Rafique ... he could try to get some of the other popular Bangla players as well .. given that Bangladesh shares the border with Kolkatta and would add to the fan base.

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5ibBOJ7d4-VLamztlhkeJYpqI4bgg

Rafique invited to join Bollywood star's team

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DHAKA (AFP) — Top Bangladeshi spinner Mohammad Rafique said he had received an offer to join Bollywood superstar Shah Rukh Khan's team for the inaugural Twenty20 Indian Premier League (IPL).

The left-arm spinner, who will retire from international cricket after an upcoming home series against South Africa, said he got the call to play for Khan's Kolkata team, expected to be led by former India captain Sourav Ganguly.

"He offered for me to play for his team. I was just awestruck by the call from no other than my favourite hero Shah Rukh Khan," Rafique said Sunday.

"I told him I would be available after the South African series. Ganguly's brother and the team's agent have been keeping in touch with me. We will have final talks after the series."

South Africa arrive in Bangladesh next week to play two Tests and three one-day internationals, with the first Test starting in Mirpur on February 22.

The 44-day IPL begins on April 18 and will be contested by eight teams playing in 12 Indian cities.

Corporate czars and film stars have poured millions of dollars into the venture to entice the world's best to take to the field at the height of the Indian summer.

Franchisees include billionaire industrialists Mukesh Ambani and Vijay Mallya, and Bollywood actors Khan and Preity Zinta.

Rafique, 37, had already informed the national selectors that he would quit cricket after the South African series.

The veteran spinner, who played his last Test in July 2007 against Sri Lanka, has so far grabbed 94 wickets in 31 matches. He has also claimed 125 wickets in as many one-day internationals.
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Re: IPL Tracking Thread (Clarifications on IPL - a lot of q&a)
« Reply #46 on: February 11, 2008, 10:14:36 AM »
Good article.

http://content-www.cricinfo.com/magazine/content/current/story/335800.html

The cash in the cash cow

The IPL franchisees are paying big money for the privilege of owning teams, but they're not going to be seeing any returns for five years at least. A look at the economics of the league

Ashok Malik

February 11, 2008
 
In the mid-1990s, in the first flush of economic liberalisation, the government of India opened up the telecom business. From a state monopoly, private players were now invited to bid for the right to provide basic and mobile telephony in specified circles.

Fantastic figures were quoted. New telecom companies emerged out of thin air. Some were owned by well-known business houses, others by supposed friends of the telecom minister. Everybody was giddy with excitement, but sitting prettiest was the government. It had been promised huge licence fees - and had, essentially, made its millions without lifting a finger.

For the winners of the tendering process, life was less simple. The questions began to roll in thick and fast. Would private telephony be an upper-end service or a mass market one? Would some consumers pay lots of money to make a call, or would charging lots of consumers a fraction be a better business model? How many cell phones would Indians buy, how often, and what prices?

A decade and a bit down the line, the big boys of telecom have become valuable and profitable. Companies and licences have been re-sold; consolidation has sifted the serious players from the dilettante investors. Telecom is one of the key drivers of the Indian economy.

In 1995, however, it was the great unknown. That's exactly what the Indian Premier League is today. Many suspect that a domestic Twenty20 league, with all the attendant razzmatazz, will ultimately come out successful. Yet nobody is betting on specific numbers, on time-frames and on modalities.

The ones with the least to lose are the gentlemen at the BCCI. Legally, the IPL is a sub-committee of the BCCI, and it has already guaranteed itself close to $1.75 billion in television rights and franchise sales figures. The title sponsorship for the inaugural IPL tournament, and the commission from the player auctions - each of the eight franchise teams can "buy" up to four foreign cricketers through IPL - will earn it more. Of course, two-thirds (64 per cent, to be precise) of the central rights money - television and title sponsorship, for example - will have to be shared with the franchisees/clubs. Even so, by the simple expedient of sanctioning a new product, Twenty20 cricket, the BCCI/IPL has earned the cheapest billion in Indian history. Like the telecom ministry in 1995, it is laughing its way to the bank.

Twenty20 (tele)-vision
Is anybody else laughing? Not quite. The franchisees are alternating between grinning and grimacing. The media-rights winner, WSG/Sony Entertainment Television, is frowning. Why? Simply because, however you look at it, for the next three to five years IPL commitments seem unlikely to make money.

Consider the television deal. WSG has promised IPL about $350 million for the first five years and a little over $550 million for the following five years. As such, in the first year WSG is committed to paying IPL $70 million (or, at Rs 40 to a dollar, Rs 280 crore). How much can Sony recover from advertisers? Let's go by industry benchmarks. ESPN Star Sports holds the telecast rights for the current Indian tour of Australia. According to a company executive, for four Test matches, one Twenty20 game and 14 one-day internationals - involving a three-team league and at least two finals - ESPN Star Sports has earned some $ 81 million in ad revenue. About $19 million has come from the Test series, and $62 million from the limited-overs segment.

Do note that the current season is cricket's equivalent of a blockbuster. A star-studded Indian team is playing the world's best Test side and the two World Cup finalists. ESPN Star Sports wouldn't have earned so much if India had been playing Bangladesh and West Indies.

Industry insiders say Sony's initial rate card for IPL matches is offering advertisers a 30-second spot for about $16,500. There are 60 such spots in a Twenty20 game, and in its first season IPL will see 59 games. That means Sony is looking at just under $60 million from ad revenues.

$16,500 per spot is, it must be pointed out, a top-of-the-line rate - the sort advertisers pay for an India-Pakistan tournament final or an India-Australia Twenty20 face-off. For IPL, Sony will almost certainly have to negotiate cheaper bulk deals. One sportscaster executive points out that in the first season Sony should be happy with even about $37.5 million. The chief of a sports management company is more optimistic: "The prime-time exposure, the overall excitement around Twenty20 in general and IPL in particular, the predictability of continued viewer interest, all add up to a substantial value package for advertisers." That aside, he argues IPL will "expand cricket's core consumer group: attract younger audiences, more female consumers".

That could be right. The first season of IPL is likely to be more extravaganza than pure sport, whatever that may mean in cricket's hedonistic age. Shows by movie actors (maybe Shahrukh Khan and Juhi Chawla performing mid-field just before their Kolkata team comes out to bat); fashion shows in between innings; a draw of lots that has lucky ticket-holders invited to the pitch, and perhaps to a party with the teams later on - the possibilities are limitless.

Franchise fix
How do the eight franchisees see the balance sheet for the first year? From Reliance industries, which forked out $11 million for the Mumbai franchise, to Red Chillies (Shahrukh Khan) in Kolkata ($7.5 million), the eight clubs will pay the BCCI a hefty fee for year one. Further, bidders estimate that another $12.5 million will have to be spent on buying players and running and building up the team.

Where will the earnings come from? Sixty-four per cent of the media and central rights earnings will be equally divided among the eight teams. In the case of the WSG/Sony deal with IPL, this comes to 64 per cent of $70 million - or about $5.5 million per team. The title sponsorship will bring more to the kitty.

Ticket sales, says a franchise executive, could bring in $1.5 to $2 million. Individual clubs will be able to do city-specific deals for team sponsorship and sell a designated slice of in-stadia advertising that could together earn them about another $1.75 million.

There could also be some earnings from corporate hospitality services: selling prime seats and boxes to upper-end audiences, throwing in drinks and dinner and a meeting with the players/entertainers.

Merchandising and licensing are other options. Would people buy Red Chillies-Kolkata Tigers T-shirts or eat at Reliance Mumbai Warriors restaurants? Again, one top sports agent is very optimistic: "Licensing seems to have reached an inflexion point in India. And with the degree of passion that cricket and the teams can generate, we believe that licensing can be a substantial revenue stream."

Nevertheless, one former cricket administrator who has been offered the CEO's job at one of the franchises says that teams should expect to lose in the region of $30 to $37 million over the first five years."

By the end of the third year, some of the franchises could also be budgeting for a new stadium. For the first year, IPL teams will be renting stadia from their state or city cricket associations. "To deliver a quality product to audiences, from family picnic spots near the playing area to food courts and clean toilets," says a franchise executive, "we will need absolute control of the stadium."

How easy will this be? At some point, would it be worth building a new stadium as part of a multi-event entertainment centre, with conference facilities, restaurants, shopping malls and movie theatres thrown in? The Reliance Industries special economic zone in Mumbai is planned as virtually a new city. GMR, the Delhi franchisee, is redeveloping Delhi's airport and has plans for ten hotels and entertainment zones in the environs. Could a spiffy Twenty20 cricket stadium make the cut?

Land prices vary from city to city, but building a new cricket facility in India costs about $45 million, says a BCCI official. At least some of the franchisees will have to factor in that cost.

Show me the money
In Delhi, speculation has already begun as to whether a senior Union minister's son will be signed on as one of the local franchise's four "junior cricketers". The speculation, it must be emphasised, has little to do with the young man's talent. It is about the political leverage it could give the corporate house backing the franchise. In the end, this may only be idle gossip in a cynical city. Yet it does explain that the motivations of the franchise owners could be very different from those of conventional businessmen - and from the expectations of cricket fans, who might wonder why so much is being invested in an untried format.

There are, essentially, three reasons for the bidders to put in the sort of money they are going to have to: to make a sports team a profitable business; to use the cricket property to promote other businesses and as a publicity vehicle; to build the brand and enhance its valuation and then sell. "The individual team owner's perspective on expenses would vary depending on the weightage given to each objective," a sports management firm's CEO points out.

For instance, Vijay Mallya (United Breweries, the Bangalore franchise holder) is clearly looking at the second template. From making Kingfisher Airlines the official carrier of the Bangalore team, to using Kingfisher swimsuit calendar models and his racehorses as magnets to draw crowds to an evening's Twenty20 entertainment where Kingfisher will be the beverage of choice, there is much he can do.

At least two of the smaller franchisees, one in the east and one in the north, are already talking of enhancing valuation and selling the franchise at a healthy profit. Resale is permitted after three years. In fact, an international media investor is said to be the "valuation brain" supporting three of the smaller franchises, even if the official owners are marquee names.

ICC versus IPL?
At the height of the Harbhajan Singh-Andrew Symonds controversy, a senior BCCI official said, "In five years we won't need them [the ICC]. IPL will possibly have bigger valuations than ICC." Was it an off-the-cuff remark or was there method in that moment of madness? To put the query another way: will IPL expand the cricket economy or will it cannibalise the current market, eat into the revenues of conventional ODIs and - heresy - Test cricket? Industry observers discount these fears but few are willing to entirely dismiss them.

Even so, one potential problem that IPL bigwigs are content to sweep under the carpet is of how India's Twenty20 league can fit into the existing ICC calendar. This year, the IPL will be played starting mid-April, the off season in India. Yet it will clash almost directly with Australia's tours of Pakistan and the West Indies, and New Zealand's series in England.

Already the buzz is that senior cricketers in Australia would rather play the IPL, and make maybe half a million dollars for a few weeks of work, than travel to troubled Pakistan or even play a series at neutral venues. New Zealand lost Shane Bond to the rebel Indian Cricket League; the bigger, wealthier IPL could have top international cricketers rethinking their priorities, particularly towards the end of their careers. A short, lucrative stint with the IPL may seem a better idea than the usual Test/ODI grind.

The bigger conflict could be four or five years away. By then the IPL franchisees could be doing one of two things. First, they could be running profitable cricket ventures that could be making money or simply be subsidised by the publicity budget of the larger business house that owns the franchise. Alternatively, the franchisees could be pouring in money but not recovering a modicum, and be getting tired of being treated as second-class citizens in cricket's universe. A question could well be asked: "Why should our IPL clubs play second fiddle, in terms of scheduling and branding, to international cricket? We're putting in good money; the cricket boards owe us something, surely?"

Mature sports markets have faced this dilemma. English football, where the national squad is far less than the sum of the Premier League teams, is a case in point. Only this January, the FIFA president, Sepp Blatter, exclaimed, "Look at the big clubs in the Premier League ... it is not the English or British game that is represented. The clubs are international XIs ... But this does not serve football. To serve football, you must never forget the national team." The men who run Manchester United and Arsenal will probably disagree. So will investors who have bought equity in these clubs. In five years or so, a little after the 2011 ICC World Cup is played in the subcontinent, Indian cricket and the BCCI, IPL and its franchises, may have to confront similar conundrums.

Ashok Malik is a senior editor at the Pioneer in Delhi
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Re: IPL Tracking Thread (Clarifications on IPL - a lot of q&a)
« Reply #47 on: February 11, 2008, 10:24:37 AM »
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Controversial Pakistan fast bowler Shoaib Akhtar on Saturday signed up for the Cricket Board-promoted multi-million dollar Indian Premier League, along with wicketkeeping compatriot Kamran Akmal.

The signing up of Akhtar, reportedly at loggerheads with the Pakistan Cricket Board, and Akmal - along with Zimbabwe's Tatenda Taibu and Sri Lankans Chamara Silva and Tilekaratne Dilshan - boosted the number of top players from all over the world who have been roped in to 85.

"Akhtar signed up for IPL today along with Kamran Akmal and Tatenda Taibu. But the list of such players can keep increasing till the open players' auction is held in Mumbai on February 20. But no player can directly be signed up by any of the franchises," said IPL chairman and commissioner Lalit Modi on Saturday.

Modi also said the minimum bidding amount for a pool of contracted players in each franchise team has been fixed at USD three million and the maximum cap at USD five million.

"There should be four local players, based on the catchment pool areas we have divided today, also including any of the four iconic players already announced, and four under-22 players (from anywhere in the country) in each franchise team," the BCCI vice president told a press conference.

"There has been a demand from the Delhi and Hyderabad franchises to include Virender Sehwag and VVS Laxman respectively to the iconic players list, and the matter will be decided on later before the auction in consultation with all franchise owners," Modi said
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Re: IPL Tracking Thread (Clarifications on IPL - a lot of q&a)
« Reply #48 on: February 13, 2008, 05:51:34 AM »
From today's WSJ..
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Is Owning a Sports Team a Losing Bet?
By GEORGE ANDERS
February 13, 2008; Page A2

Are sports-franchise prices headed for a tumble? Boom-time euphoria has vanished from the stock and real-estate markets. But the cost of acquiring a sports team keeps climbing in the face of a weakening economy, preserving what may be one of the last asset bubbles in North America.

Even Société Générale, a longtime lender to sports-team buyers, recently decided it was time to pull out. The big French bank says it withdrew from the market last month, believing that such lending isn't central to its mission. A Société Générale spokesman declined to say whether the decision was influenced by the bank's big losses from trading in European stock-index futures.
 
For decades, the sports world has been insulated from economic reality because there are plenty of tycoons with millions to burn and not enough teams to go around. So these tycoons have jumped into bidding wars, just for the thrill of owning a one-of-a-kind property. Other businesses keep their fortunes strong. Team ownership becomes a hobby that isn't expected to generate much of a return.

But investment bankers and sports-team appraisers see reasons why that pattern is likely to come under strain. Even some team owners privately voice jitters.

"Nothing keeps going up, no matter what," says Steve Greenberg, an investment banker at Allen & Co. who specializes in the sports business. "If we're headed into a significant economic disruption, where people don't feel comfortable about their net worth, that will affect everything."

Even for plutocrats, the sums involved in owning major-league teams have become big enough that they can't be laughed off. Top franchises in the National Football League are seen as $1 billion properties. Many U.S. baseball and basketball teams are valued at $400 million or more. Even smaller-market teams in the National Hockey League trade hands for $200 million.

Profitable sports franchises may be priced at 20 times annual cash flow, at least double the valuation of a mundane company with similar prospects. Weaker teams can sustain operating losses of $10 million a year or more, before taking into account debt service and noncash charges such as depreciation and amortization.

Sal Galatioto, a former head of Lehman Brothers' sports-business practice who now runs Galatioto Sports Partners, says he has seen successful hedge-fund managers toy with the idea of buying into a sports team only to back off as they absorbed just how problematic the numbers would be. "They will say that normal business yardsticks don't matter to them," Mr. Galatioto says, "but when it comes to pulling the trigger and doing the deal, suddenly those things do matter."

Ticket sales could be immediately sensitive to an economic slowdown. Most broadcast revenue is tied up in longer-term contracts, which wouldn't be hurt right away by a slump in ad spending, but as television contracts come up for renewal, teams could be hit with unpleasant surprises.

It could take a year or two for team prices to soften. Meanwhile, unrealistic asking prices could make it impossible for many deals to close. Donald Erickson, the former head of Ernst & Young's sports-valuation practice who now runs Erickson Partners in Dallas, sees that as a particular risk for second-tier teams in hockey and baseball.

Despite these concerns, teams continue to change hands at unexpectedly high prices. In October, Forbes magazine valued hockey's Edmonton Oilers at $157 million and the Nashville Predators at $143 million. Both recently announced transactions at prices about 30% above those levels.

Canadian drugstore operator Daryl Katz contends he got a good deal with his C$200 million, or nearly US$200 million, agreement to buy the Oilers.

Mr. Katz noted in an interview that his Rexall chain already is a big sponsor of the Oilers. He sees ways to work that relationship even more effectively. Edmonton's booming economy also reassures him; the city is a service hub for Canada's oil-sands industry.

William "Boots" Del Biaggio isn't quite so ebullient. He is a Silicon Valley technology investor who is part of an investor group that bought the Nashville Predators for $193 million in December. The team currently ranks 28th in attendance in the 30-team NHL. It fills an average 14,224 seats at home games, or 83% of capacity.

"Hopefully, attendance will pick up," Mr. Del Biaggio says. "We're going to be really dependent on improving corporate sales. Anyone who is doing this to make money is doing it for the wrong reasons."

There's been speculation Mr. Del Biaggio might want to move the team to Kansas City, something he doesn't rule out. "If expansion or relocation became a possibility in several years, Kansas City would be an awesome location," he says. "But at this point, I'm committed to Nashville."

The Predators haven't been profitable in recent years. Mr. Del Biaggio says he hopes to get to break-even or better on stronger ticket sales and perhaps the NHL's eventual ability to win a national television contract again. Still, he says, "I would never want more than 10% of my net worth to be in sports."

Write to George Anders at george.anders@wsj.com4
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Re: IPL Tracking Thread (Clarifications on IPL - a lot of q&a)
« Reply #49 on: February 13, 2008, 06:22:47 AM »
As with most other industries ... check out hospitals, drugs, software, property, banks ... I expect the high valuations environment in sports franchises to shift to the emerging markets.

The key question before that happens is whether the concept will pick up at all ... this is an especially relevant question for the IPL/ICL because cricket has traditionally been run more on country lines. If India, for instance, had good quality football being played, I would be a lot more optimistic of valuations of those franchises.
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« Reply #50 on: February 13, 2008, 06:30:04 AM »
As with most other industries ... check out hospitals, drugs, software, property, banks ... I expect the high valuations environment in sports franchises to shift to the emerging markets.
Of course, that is where the growth is?

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The key question before that happens is whether the concept will pick up at all ... this is an especially relevant question for the IPL/ICL because cricket has traditionally been run more on country lines.
I think the rumblings of tailoring the FTC around IPL schedule could be the starting point for moving from countries to club dominated cricket following.. it will all come down to the quality of cricket in the upcoming tournament(s).. if the intensity of competition is not there, matches along country lines would continue to thrive
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Re: IPL Tracking Thread (Clarifications on IPL - a lot of q&a)
« Reply #51 on: February 13, 2008, 06:44:05 AM »
I think if the FTC is tailored around IPL, this will definitely take off. The stakes are high and no player will remain a part of the teams if they do not perform. And, players have a lot to lose out on if they are dropped.

Also, remember, from the owners' perspective, really the big bucks to buy players are more of a one-off investment. Folks like SRT, SG, RD, Warne etc are not likely to play for ever. And, if the format does pick up and 10 years hence if the clubs have a brand equity / fan following of their own, they can have a scenario where they move to a model of buying the more effective players rather than the stars. If not ... i.e. if it still takes stars to sell the concept, it would mean that the format has not really taken off .. and they will look to exit.
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« Reply #52 on: February 13, 2008, 07:10:55 AM »
And, if the format does pick up and 10 years hence if the clubs have a brand equity / fan following of their own, they can have a scenario where they move to a model of buying the more effective players rather than the stars. If not ... i.e. if it still takes stars to sell the concept, it would mean that the format has not really taken off .. and they will look to exit.
Based on what happens in most of the professional leagues here in US .. stars are always needed to sell the team to fans. Most teams have stars and a few "effective" players as well...and the draft system in sports like american football and basketball allows talent to be spread ..rather than being concentrated with a few "elite"/popular teams.
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« Reply #53 on: February 13, 2008, 07:13:56 AM »
And, if the format does pick up and 10 years hence if the clubs have a brand equity / fan following of their own, they can have a scenario where they move to a model of buying the more effective players rather than the stars. If not ... i.e. if it still takes stars to sell the concept, it would mean that the format has not really taken off .. and they will look to exit.
Based on what happens in most of the professional leagues here in US .. stars are always needed to sell the team to fans. Most teams have stars and a few "effective" players as well...and the draft system in sports like american football and basketball allows talent to be spread ..rather than being concentrated with a few "elite"/popular teams.

Of course, you would need star power .. but can the IPL tournament itself create home grown stars or do they have to depend on international cricket to throw those up is the key question. There are several such over-hyped players in England soccer or even cricket for instance .. those who completely suck at the international level; yet are big stars in their own country. Once that happens, it eases things because the number of stars goes up and hence this bidding up of price may not happen to the same extent.
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« Reply #54 on: February 13, 2008, 07:56:06 AM »
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« Reply #55 on: February 14, 2008, 04:43:38 AM »
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DLF wins title sponsorship rights for IPL
 
Aminah Sheikh / Mumbai February 14, 2008
 
Real estate major DLF bagged the title sponsorship rights for Indian Premier League (IPL) promoted by the Board of Control for Cricket in India for an amount of Rs 200 crore across five years (Rs 40 crore annually) even as most big-ticket advertisers shied away, lured by another attractive opportunity vying for attention. 
 
Star Plus, which has roped in super star Shah Rukh Khan for the quiz show, Kya Aap Panchvi Pass Se Tez Hai, is looking for presenting sponsors and eight associate sponsors for the programme which is slated to go on air in April, the same time that IPL will kickstart its Twenty20 league matches. 
 
And it will take on IPL’s matches which will be televised on Sony TV during prime time. 
 
“For the amount of money an advertiser has to put in, the returns in terms of mileages isn’t very high initially, at least when the property hasn’t yet been built,” said a source at Mindshare, a media buying agency for key companies. 
 
A senior Hyundai Motors India executive, said, “We already have Shah Rukh as a brand ambassador and so are open to looking at the Star TV program. Unlike IPL, where there is no clarity on the kind of viewership we will get, Shah Rukh ensures a certain television rating points (TRP).” 
 
Consumer electronic company LG also does not see any value in the IPL. “The cost of sponsorship is very high and you have to spend an equal amount to get value from the association. Moreover, it is new and there is a risk involved. We would surely look at Shah Rukh’s programme if it fits in with our yearly calender.” 
 
Telecom company Bharti Airtel has a similar view. According to a source in Bharti Airtel, “IPL involves a lot of money and the lock-in period is too high, whereas there are more interesting activities coming up on TV, such as the Star Plus programme, which are relatively less expensive”. 
 
Sure it is. The base price to acquire the title sponsorship rights for IPL was Rs 23.6 crore each year and you had to commit for five years. Star Plus sources however say that they are looking at one presenting sponsor for around Rs 15 crore and nearly 8 associate sponsors in the range of Rs 10 to Rs 12 crore each. 
 
“There certainly is a lot of interest for the new show and most of the big brands are likely to be associated with the show, given that Shah Rukh Khan will play host,” said an executive from a leading media buying house. Advertisers such as Cadburys, Godrej, Airtel and P&G are are keen on being a part of the show. 
 
Meanwhile, BCCI received bids from only a handful of companies, which included DLF, Future Group (represents by Percept D’Mark) and Hero Honda (represented by WSG), all of whom were last-minute participants. 
 
While 21st Century Media’s bid was rejected on the basis that the sports management company had not specified the category on behalf of which it was bidding, Future Group’s bidding amount was Rs 30.1 crore and Hero Honda bid for Rs 30.6 crore for one year. According to sources, 21st Century Media was representing Pepsi but had not specified the same. 
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Re: IPL Tracking Thread (Clarifications on IPL - a lot of q&a)
« Reply #56 on: February 14, 2008, 04:48:50 AM »
Let me get this right.. SRK has a program on Star that will compete against IPL in which he owns a team  :icon_scratch: :icon_scratch:
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« Reply #57 on: February 14, 2008, 05:18:39 AM »
Let me get this right.. SRK has a program on Star that will compete against IPL in which he owns a team  :icon_scratch: :icon_scratch:

Well .. it is like this .. SRK does not own the programme on Star .. this is just the fourth edition of Kaun Banega Crorepati ... that he will be anchoring. That happens to clash with the IPL for that one hour slot that it will be on air ... i believe this will be on air once or twice a week. Those sponsors who are primarily looking at the SRK factor have a choice .. whether to go for the television programme or the cricket matches.
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« Reply #58 on: February 14, 2008, 05:20:38 AM »
Let me get this right.. SRK has a program on Star that will compete against IPL in which he owns a team  :icon_scratch: :icon_scratch:
And to think that CA is worried about their sponsor contracts clashing with player contacts at the IPL. ;D
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« Reply #59 on: February 14, 2008, 05:28:09 AM »
Let me get this right.. SRK has a program on Star that will compete against IPL in which he owns a team  :icon_scratch: :icon_scratch:

Well .. it is like this .. SRK does not own the programme on Star .. this is just the fourth edition of Kaun Banega Crorepati ... that he will be anchoring. That happens to clash with the IPL for that one hour slot that it will be on air ... i believe this will be on air once or twice a week. Those sponsors who are primarily looking at the SRK factor have a choice .. whether to go for the television programme or the cricket matches.

i guess this is really testing how many fans srk has in india  ;D
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« Reply #60 on: February 14, 2008, 05:35:44 AM »
Let me get this right.. SRK has a program on Star that will compete against IPL in which he owns a team  :icon_scratch: :icon_scratch:

Well .. it is like this .. SRK does not own the programme on Star .. this is just the fourth edition of Kaun Banega Crorepati ... that he will be anchoring. That happens to clash with the IPL for that one hour slot that it will be on air ... i believe this will be on air once or twice a week. Those sponsors who are primarily looking at the SRK factor have a choice .. whether to go for the television programme or the cricket matches.
Yeah.. but why would you compete against your own interests ..imagine Kolkata is playing on the day of his program.. this is bizarre!!
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« Reply #61 on: February 14, 2008, 05:37:36 AM »
Let me get this right.. SRK has a program on Star that will compete against IPL in which he owns a team  :icon_scratch: :icon_scratch:

Well .. it is like this .. SRK does not own the programme on Star .. this is just the fourth edition of Kaun Banega Crorepati ... that he will be anchoring. That happens to clash with the IPL for that one hour slot that it will be on air ... i believe this will be on air once or twice a week. Those sponsors who are primarily looking at the SRK factor have a choice .. whether to go for the television programme or the cricket matches.
Yeah.. but why would you compete against your own interests ..imagine Kolkata is playing on the day of his program.. this is bizarre!!

Who is competing? that way, SRK will also have to make sure that KBC does not screen on days when his movies release etc. There will always be some overlap. This is just writing for the sake of writing.
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« Reply #62 on: February 14, 2008, 06:50:17 PM »
Positive sign for players as Indians shift on sponsors

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February 15, 2008


A BREAKTHROUGH in negotiations will allow Australian cricketers to sign Indian Premier League contracts by this weekend's deadline.

The Herald understands that the IPL's owners have budged on their condition that players must be available to promote the sponsors of their franchises. Instead, Australian players will not have to feature in commercials for rivals of Cricket Australia's sponsors and will be reimbursed for resulting lost income by their franchises.

Inderjit Singh Bindra, a former president of the Board of Control for Cricket in India and co-founder of the IPL, said there were still issues to work through but believed a resolution would be reached in the next two days.

BCCI chief executive Lalit Modi, who earlier threatened to run the competition without Australian players, is poring over the final version of the contract recommended by CA chief James Sutherland, with the major sticking point now being rival sponsors' logos on team shirts. "My hearing is that Lalit and James are very close to arriving at a conclusion that is satisfying to both parties," Bindra said.

"Every problem has to have a solution. We have a very close relationship with Cricket Australia and we are not going to sacrifice that for some temporary gain."

While some may view the development as a win for CA, Bindra preferred to call it "a victory for cricket". "If we have a solution, then it is a victory for the game. India is not going to be the sole beneficiary of the IPL - players across the globe are going to get a major part of the pie."

Sutherland said: "There is a lot of detail involved in aligning existing contractual obligations with those of this new Indian domestic competition. But we are approaching this with an open mind on trying to resolve the issue in a manner which allows IPL to go ahead with Australian player participation, when available."

Franchise owners will bid for players in an auction on Wednesday.

The breakthrough came on the same day CA released a statement outlining its objections to Australian players signing with IPL's rival tournament, the Indian Cricket League, which is not sanctioned by the game's global body, the ICC. Current Australian players who sign for the rebel Twenty20 league can expect a similar fate to that sufered by all its recruits - who are barred from playing for their countries again.

"In connection with CA and state players, selectors will treat players who take part only in ICC-approved matches more favourably than those who do not," the statement said.

"In accordance with relevant ICC regulations and player contract requirements, players will not be offered player contracts or be permitted to continue to be a party to player contracts if, during the term of those contracts, those players take part in unofficial cricket events."

Sutherland also said he would be open to rescheduling international tours to work around the IPL.

Australian captain Ricky Ponting yesterday expressed concern, however, that aging players might retire early to take the profitable contracts the eight IPL teams will offer. "I think there are some dangers there to tell you the truth," Ponting said. "If a guy is approaching the end of his international career anyway, and being able to play 44 days and stay in one form of the game, I'm sure is very attractive. Particularly if they have families and they are getting a bit sick and tired of the travel you do with international cricket. I am sure that is appealing to some.

"There are some programming issues the ICC and the boards are going to have to look at, maybe carving out a window each year where this tournament can sit in [alone]."

Six Pakistani players signed with the ICL on Wednesday, and Ponting said: "In Australia, you would like to think that the fabric is still there for young Australian players and older players to continue to play as many games as you can for your country.

"That is what it is all about as far as I am concerned. The danger for me is the IPL … when unless some time is given up then we might start losing the 33- to 34-year-old players from international cricket."


This story was found at: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2008/02/14/1202760494912.html
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« Reply #63 on: February 15, 2008, 04:06:26 AM »
Nice. So, we are closer to seeing Sanga keeping to Kumble against Afridi as Symonds yells out encouragement from cover!!
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« Reply #64 on: February 15, 2008, 04:37:35 AM »
cant wait for the draft on wed!!!
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« Reply #65 on: February 15, 2008, 12:52:12 PM »
200cr is big money for the BCCI. They are really rolling in it. I truly hope that all this money could go to help the domestic game. I have heard that Indian domestic players earn much, much more than those in England and yet, the media portrays the opposite - does anyone know the exact situation?
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« Reply #66 on: February 26, 2008, 09:15:40 AM »
IPL on Setanta

http://ukpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5ivDI0WXKW6_yl5pILT-eI_ClaW6Q

Setanta Sports have secured the exclusive rights to screen live coverage of the Indian Premier League for the next five years.

The Irish broadcaster have agreed a deal to show all 59 games of the inaugural eight-team Twenty20 competition, which will run from April 18 to June 1 in 2008.

Indians Sachin Tendulkar, Rahul Dravid and Sourav Ganguly will feature alongside international players including Shane Warne, Glenn McGrath, Muttiah Muralitharan, Jacques Kallis and Adam Gilchrist in the tournament.

IPL chairman Lalit Modi said: "We would like to welcome Setanta as our newest broadcast partner and are pleased to be working with Setanta Sports on the broadcast of the IPL in the United Kingdom.

"We're confident that this will be a successful working partnership for the next five years and we believe the viewers of Setanta will have a exciting line-up of matches to look forward to with an array of international stars and the best cricketing action."

Setanta director of sport Trevor East added: "We're absolutely thrilled to acquire these rights and add another major sport to Setanta's programme line-up.

"I firmly believe the IPL will become a highlight of the international sporting calendar for years to come. That's why we've shown our commitment to it by signing a five-year deal."
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http://www.financialexpress.com/news/IPL-bid-losers-get-to-keep-co-sponsor-wicket/277147/

IPL bid losers get to keep co-sponsor wicket

Pritha Mitra Dasgupta

Mumbai, Feb 25 Corporates who lost the Indian Premier League (IPL) team franchisee and the title sponsor bids are in no mood to back out. While Hero Honda has already been named as the co-sponsor, in lieu of $4.5 million per annum for a period of three years, valuing the co-sponsorship in excess of $ 13.5 million, sources disclose that there will be at least three other co-sponsors. The names that are doing the rounds are Pepsi, Reliance ADAG and Future Group. While Pepsi has Mahendra Singh Dhoni, Yuvraj Singh, S Sreesanth and most of the top players as ambassadors, Hero Honda has Virender Sehwag, Irfan Pathan, and Suresh Raina as its brand ambassadors.

There was no separate bid for the co-sponsorship rights and most of the Companies contacted the IPL officials directly for getting associated with the event. A number of Companies that were not taken on board by IPL are in talks with individual team owners or franchisees for various sponsorship rights. Sources also disclosed that Reliance ADAG is keener on bagging the on-ground rights than co-sponsorship partnership.

Lalit Modi, chairman and commissioner, DLF Indian Premier League said, “Hero Honda has a long association with cricket both at the domestic and international levels and their enthusiasm in joining forces with the DLF Indian Premier League was indeed testimony to the common vision shared with the BCCI to make the league one of the finest in the world. We now have a truly exciting mix of elite Indian businessmen, Bollywood personalities and corporate as our allies, all working collectively as one to ensure the success of the IPL.”

Pawan Munjal, managing director, Hero Honda Motors, said, “This partnership with DLF IPL further strengthens our close association with cricket which is now over two decades old. Indian cricket, as indeed cricket worldwide, is witnessing historic developments with the highly innovative concept of DLF Indian Premier League, and we are happy to be a part of it. The Twenty20 format of the DLF IPL is set to take cricket’s popularity to a new high and like all cricket lovers, I am also looking forward to the forthcoming mega cricketing event.”

The Indian Premier League will feature eight franchises and will run for 44 days. Each franchise will play all others on a home and away basis with seven matches at home. The top four franchises in the league will contest the semi-finals and the victorious semi-finalists..will meet in the grand final all over one weekend, which will be played in Mumbai. The inaugural season of the IPL will showcase a grand total of 59 matches providing broadcasters and in-stadia spectators with 177 hours of live family entertainment. All matches will be during late afternoon and evening to coincide with prime time for television and providing a convenient time for the stadium audience....

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