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[ganavk]

so..GC was right all along for pushing IKP to improve his batting. It is stupid blaming GC for IKP losing sting in his bowling but sure he could have helped IKP more, everyone could have!

I always find it funny when people attribute IKP's batting to GC.

Fact of the matter is he was a reasonable bat before.

And his improvement in batting started under JW-SG -- 2 half centuries, 1 49, being sent up the order as night watchman against Aus, asked to hit out prior to declaration --all of these happened under the prior regime.

perfect example of net credit theory -- talk about it as much as you can, so people with short memories attribute it as your success.

True Kban. that means we should not blame GC or whoever behind it for promoting IKP up the order or asking IKP to further concentrate on batting.

GC was blamed for pushing IKP toomuch and esp for confusing him about his role in the side: bowler who can bat, batsman who can bowl, top order, middle order, lower order, pinch hitter... ... ... all in pursuit of his goal of creating a side full of androids...

could someone inform our good minister that he was tampering with gods plan?

Pushing too much...what is too much ? When we know he is talented why shouldn't coach try to get the best out of him. In fact isn't that his job. Also how do we know that Irfan was confused about his role just because he was sent in as pinch hitter , lower order etc...

[ganavk]

ganavk, you made a comment about a missed catch by SG in the previous test in the thread five wise men. Could you confirm that you are talking about the one Kban/Broadbat are talking about? Or could you find the one you were talking about?

OK...Here it is.
http://content-www.cricinfo.com/ausvind/engine/current/match/291353.html?innings=4;view=commentary
5.6     Pathan to Jaques, FOUR, dropped! A squeak of a chance at point, Jaques flashing hard at a short and wide one off the back foot, and the ball carries on
8.3     Singh to Ponting, 1 run, turned round off the legs through the 45
Ganguly, to confirm, was the man who dropped the catch last over

ghost reader

What does that mean please ??

[ganavk]

I think the SG decision was fine .. hawkeye shows it hitting top of off .. Rauf gives those which go over the stumps ... I'm sure we'll get those as well. India should bowl Kumble and IKP from Rauf's end as far as possible.

I agree..SG's decision was marginal.
Veeru was not out as it was a no ball. They are showing it on SKY Sports. This is ridiculous. High time technology is used in taking this decisions on no ball at least!

[keep-it-cool]

I think the SG decision was fine .. hawkeye shows it hitting top of off .. Rauf gives those which go over the stumps ... I'm sure we'll get those as well. India should bowl Kumble and IKP from Rauf's end as far as possible.

I agree..SG's decision was marginal.
Veeru was not out as it was a no ball. They are showing it on SKY Sports. This is ridiculous. High time technology is used in taking this decisions on no ball at least!

Again, I wont fuss too much about it unless it was a very big no ball. It is virtually impossible for umpires to get marginal calls right as the law stands today .. especially when a bowler is bowling very fast.

I agree with you .. either technology should be used or go back to the back foot rule.

[dextrous]

this session is important...can possibly decide the test match

[keep-it-cool]

This session is important ... but not the only one .. given that the average first innings score in Adelaide is 486, I think a minimum of 400 is required to be competitive. And, the way we are placed we have a good 2-3 crucial sessions ahead of us. If we bat through all of them, we should be competitive.

Looking at the track, I am a bit bearish on IKP for this match, bowling wise. Hope he proves me wrong.

[dhruvdeepak]

i knew they made a mistake opening with pathan. he would have been useful down the order i feel.

[broadbat]

I am a bit bearish on IKP for this match, bowling wise.

You mean we played with 4 bowlers after all.....

[Shukla]

so..GC was right all along for pushing IKP to improve his batting. It is stupid blaming GC for IKP losing sting in his bowling but sure he could have helped IKP more, everyone could have!

Well Akram could have helped but GC didnt let him, did he?

In this DG we only accept written quotes from reputable sources or from LP Sahi. Can u find one which says that GC refused Akram's hellp?

Here you go

http://www.cricketvoice.com/cricketforum2/index.php/topic,7056.0.html
http://www.cricketvoice.com/cricketforum2/index.php/topic,7092.0.html

there is a comprehension problem here ... where does it say that GC did not let him?

  Knew there had to be a catch to your request.

but isnt that a valid question? Maulana Shuklaji claimed that GC did not let him .... his words not mine .... so I just want to see when he did not let him?

Coming from a guy who started the 'Ganguly is not a team man' based on 4 sec clip of AK and SG, this is quite funny. I did not hold you to the "written quotes" standard, did I?

GC released a press statement saying IKP will see WA when he "deems fit". We have also seen IKP taking help liberally from WA during this test series and WA talking highly of IKP, indicating there is no rift between the two. Please add two and two.

[Shukla]

62.6     Hogg to Tendulkar, FOUR, and again, this time Tendulkar goes over long-on, the ball bounces a few feet inside the boundary and rolls over, 18 runs off that over
62.5    Hogg to Tendulkar, SIX, Tendulkar plants his front foot forward and lofts Hogg straight down the ground, he hit that with a lot of power and it just cleared the long-off boundary, he's really attacking Hogg
62.4    Hogg to Laxman, 1 run, Hogg bowls a shorter one and Laxman pulls it through midwicket
62.3    Hogg to Laxman, FOUR, shot! Laxman uses his feet to get to the pitch of a flighted delivery and drives superbly through extra cover, extremely well placed and lovely footwork
62.2    Hogg to Laxman, no run, Laxman moves back in his crease and watches the ball as it spins back into the right-hander from out side off stump, he defends towards the off side
62.1    Hogg to Tendulkar, 3 runs, Tendulkar leans across and plays a fine paddle sweep, he's placed it well enough to run three
Hogg changes ends. He has a man at deep midwicket for the slog sweep that Tendulkar is employing against him.

[Shukla]

With a long tail, I hope we can reach atleast 350? That looks a stretch at the moment.

[broadbat]

We need to bat till midway after lunch tomorrow, that is if we harbour any hopes of either saving or winning this Test.

[dextrous]

cheer up...

[Shukla]

cheer up...

I will if they make this a 200 run partnership.
 

[dhruvdeepak]

sachin will get out in the 90s 

[poondu]

sachin will get out in the 90s 

290??

[dhruvdeepak]

SACHIN IS GOD!!!!!!! WHAT A GREAT MAN

[Shukla]

sachin will get out in the 90s 

Stop saying that. It is bound to come true once in a while. It wouldnt be honorable to claim that as your moment of glory.

[Shukla]

What is the Aussie over rate today? Ponting gets suspended if they are behind by more than 6 overs right?

About 45 mins left, Australia need to put in 20 overs.

[WicketView]

Yes 100 !!! waiting for the next two.

[dhruvdeepak]

sachin will get out in the 90s 

Stop saying that. It is bound to come true once in a while. It wouldnt be honorable to claim that as your moment of glory.

already happened 7-8 times last year 
the architect behind his demise? me 

[poondu]

 

[WicketView]

VVS gone ... seemed to expect it to bounce a lot more ?

[poondu]

VVS gone ... seemed to expect it to bounce a lot more ?

and the tail is in ?

[Shukla]

VVS gone ... seemed to expect it to bounce a lot more ?

and the tail is in ?

Can you imagine the comfort of having Pathan after Dhoni and not HS. We are a batsman short. Dont think IS is gonna do much in this match.

[WicketView]

VVS gone ... seemed to expect it to bounce a lot more ?

and the tail is in ?

One more and the tail will be well and truly tucked in.

VVS gone ... seemed to expect it to bounce a lot more ?

and the tail is in ?

Can you imagine the comfort of having Pathan after Dhoni and not HS. We are a batsman short. Dont think IS is gonna do much in this match.

That is the price of the 5 bowler theory. However, in this case, it might not have been a bad change from the previous test lineup with Jaffer being the 6th batsman.

[WicketView]

BTW, the curator wanted to see Sachin score a 100. He got his wish!

[keep-it-cool]

IC has been saying right through the test series that VVS should pull more often else he'll get into trouble. Happened this time ... that was a soft way to get out really.

But, on the other hand, what a good spell of fast bowling by Brett Lee on a good batting pitch. He could have had Laxman earlier had Gilly held on to that Dolly.

[Shukla]

Ball will reverse in adelaide. can IS reverse based on his performance in tests in india earlier?

[ramshorns]

Looks like one of those SRT specials.  Hope this turns out to be a match winning one.  Looks like a decent day for India overall.  Kudos to Sehwag for again doing well and to Laxman for yet another 50 when the team needed a partnership he was there as usual.

[keep-it-cool]

I havent seen SRT bat like this in a long innings for a very long time. The best part was to see him coming down the pitch against spinners .. especially left arm spinners .. when did that happen last? I dont remember each one of them, but this one should probably be his best century in the last 5-6 years.

[dhruvdeepak]

I havent seen SRT bat like this in a long innings for a very long time. The best part was to see him coming down the pitch against spinners .. especially left arm spinners .. when did that happen last? I dont remember each one of them, but this one should probably be his best century in the last 5-6 years.

sachin scoring 2 centuries in a series 
discounting bangla, its been a while.

GOD!!!

[keep-it-cool]

Indian batsmen really set out to prove Bhajji's point w.r.t. Hogg. And, but for a marginal decision on SG, it would have been an unqualified success!!

[ramshorns]

Indian batsmen really set out to prove Bhajji's point w.r.t. Hogg. And, but for a marginal decision on SG, it would have been an unqualified success!!

KIC:-I have not watched, fell asleep to be woken after the SRT/VVS parterership but was SG's a bad call by any stretch of imagination in your opinion.

[keep-it-cool]

Indian batsmen really set out to prove Bhajji's point w.r.t. Hogg. And, but for a marginal decision on SG, it would have been an unqualified success!!

KIC:-I have not watched, fell asleep to be woken after the SRT/VVS parterership but was SG's a bad call by any stretch of imagination in your opinion.

Let me put it this way ...

He was well forward and the ball hit him just in line with the off stump .. plus hawk-eye showed it clipping the bail ... so, generally, umpires would have given the batsman the benefit of the doubt.

Of course, this was Rauf here .. who seems to be bothered only about the line and not the height these days ...so, as long as he is consistent on that aspect, fair enough.

[ramshorns]

Indian batsmen really set out to prove Bhajji's point w.r.t. Hogg. And, but for a marginal decision on SG, it would have been an unqualified success!!

KIC:-I have not watched, fell asleep to be woken after the SRT/VVS parterership but was SG's a bad call by any stretch of imagination in your opinion.

Let me put it this way ...

He was well forward and the ball hit him just in line with the off stump .. plus hawk-eye showed it clipping the bail ... so, generally, umpires would have given the batsman the benefit of the doubt.

Of course, this was Rauf here .. who seems to be bothered only about the line and not the height these days ...so, as long as he is consistent on that aspect, fair enough.

To me a 50-50 call then with Ganguly a tad unlucky to be given in that scenario you described.  He probably should have gotten away with it.

[keep-it-cool]

Indian batsmen really set out to prove Bhajji's point w.r.t. Hogg. And, but for a marginal decision on SG, it would have been an unqualified success!!

KIC:-I have not watched, fell asleep to be woken after the SRT/VVS parterership but was SG's a bad call by any stretch of imagination in your opinion.

Let me put it this way ...

He was well forward and the ball hit him just in line with the off stump .. plus hawk-eye showed it clipping the bail ... so, generally, umpires would have given the batsman the benefit of the doubt.

Of course, this was Rauf here .. who seems to be bothered only about the line and not the height these days ...so, as long as he is consistent on that aspect, fair enough.

To me a 50-50 call then with Ganguly a tad unlucky to be given in that scenario you described.  He probably should have gotten away with it.

Yes.

But, I'll take it if Rauf gives some of those when we are bowling too ... especially with Kumble in our line up. You can bet the Aussies will play him on the front foot and he'll hit some pads.

[WicketView]

Indian batsmen really set out to prove Bhajji's point w.r.t. Hogg. And, but for a marginal decision on SG, it would have been an unqualified success!!

KIC:-I have not watched, fell asleep to be woken after the SRT/VVS parterership but was SG's a bad call by any stretch of imagination in your opinion.

Let me put it this way ...

He was well forward and the ball hit him just in line with the off stump .. plus hawk-eye showed it clipping the bail ... so, generally, umpires would have given the batsman the benefit of the doubt.

Of course, this was Rauf here .. who seems to be bothered only about the line and not the height these days ...so, as long as he is consistent on that aspect, fair enough.

To me a 50-50 call then with Ganguly a tad unlucky to be given in that scenario you described.  He probably should have gotten away with it.

Yes.

But, I'll take it if Rauf gives some of those when we are bowling too ... especially with Kumble in our line up. You can bet the Aussies will play him on the front foot and he'll hit some pads.

Well, I hope that Bowden will be the square leg umpire when those appeals come up for us

[keep-it-cool]

Indian batsmen really set out to prove Bhajji's point w.r.t. Hogg. And, but for a marginal decision on SG, it would have been an unqualified success!!

KIC:-I have not watched, fell asleep to be woken after the SRT/VVS parterership but was SG's a bad call by any stretch of imagination in your opinion.

Let me put it this way ...

He was well forward and the ball hit him just in line with the off stump .. plus hawk-eye showed it clipping the bail ... so, generally, umpires would have given the batsman the benefit of the doubt.

Of course, this was Rauf here .. who seems to be bothered only about the line and not the height these days ...so, as long as he is consistent on that aspect, fair enough.

To me a 50-50 call then with Ganguly a tad unlucky to be given in that scenario you described.  He probably should have gotten away with it.

Yes.

But, I'll take it if Rauf gives some of those when we are bowling too ... especially with Kumble in our line up. You can bet the Aussies will play him on the front foot and he'll hit some pads.

Well, I hope that Bowden will be the square leg umpire when those appeals come up for us

that is largely in our control ... AK can choose Rauf's end to bowl from

[broadbat]

This time I hope the 5 bowlers contribute with the bat.