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[duzntmttr]

The last time Indian selectors emphasized on youth on bouncy,fast pitches , we all know what happened.
Yes , I am talking about the ODI series in South Africa , where the young brigade couldn't even put the bat to ball and Indian team was so humiliated that , there were discussions in Parliament, effigy burning mobs, Pawar sent Vengy to SA "to convey the sentiments of the nation" to the team , Greame Smith and SA chief selector confidently predicting a 3-0 rout in Tests.

A similar episode is going to occur now.

I say this emphasis on WC 2011 is non-sense. We should concentrate on the present  , instead of elaborate planning on the future tournament where one bad day can ruin years of planning.
Even if WC is the target , there is still plenty of time for the so called palnning.

Promoting youth is fine , but then you should be prepared to accept a few losses and the Indian fans will not tolerate a string of sub-150 scores.  And considering how the young brigade performed so far in tests , even a 150 score is very optimistic.

[prfsr]

I do not know how the team will do in Aus ODI's but I remember very well the desperation in SA. Public memory is very short. The same young uns that would make Jaffer look like Bradman in the current series are now the desired ones. Let's hope they have improved a tad by now.

And yes, a few months from now (after a few knocks on dead pitches) people will passionately argue why YS should never have been dropped in the first place from the test team and how it was imperative that he be played at any cost.

Rather surprisingly (or not) Shastri was of the opinion that YS has to play NOW no matter at whose cost. Is there any accountability? It is not how YS has played but more how he looked. Ditto with Jaffer. RD at his absolute worst has looked better than these worthy youth. VVS, SRT and SG have been miles better.

-P 

[Cover Point]

I do not know how the team will do in Aus ODI's but I remember very well the desperation in SA. Public memory is very short. The same young uns that would make Jaffer look like Bradman in the current series are now the desired ones. Let's hope they have improved a tad by now.

And yes, a few months from now (after a few knocks on dead pitches) people will passionately argue why YS should never have been dropped in the first place from the test team and how it was imperative that he be played at any cost.

Rather surprisingly (or not) Shastri was of the opinion that YS has to play NOW no matter at whose cost. Is there any accountability? It is not how YS has played but more how he looked. Ditto with Jaffer. RD at his absolute worst has looked better than these worthy youth. VVS, SRT and SG have been miles better.

-P 

since dravid was already dropped .... all this hulla bulla is about that ONE player?

Since RU and RS were already in the team .... this whole thing is about that one swap (Raina for Mr ODI useless himself).

I am glad people see things in perspective

[kban1]

And yes, a few months from now (after a few knocks on dead pitches) people will passionately argue why YS should never have been dropped in the first place from the test team and how it was imperative that he be played at any cost.

Have you noticed those voices so eager to give YS a free test spot much like "muft diwali ki laddoo" have gone suddenly quiet now ? Thats what happens when you have people commenting on the game without understanding it -- a bean counter approach to evaluating cricket only gets you so far,

Dont worry, as you predict, the rise of the bean counters is not far off  

And the shameless will be there too. One good thing about the shameless are that they do not know when to shut their trap --they keep blabbering (even when crow has been shoved down their gullets) and making a fool of themselves, all the while blissfully unaware of the fact they stand exposed.

[prfsr]

I do not know how the team will do in Aus ODI's but I remember very well the desperation in SA. Public memory is very short. The same young uns that would make Jaffer look like Bradman in the current series are now the desired ones. Let's hope they have improved a tad by now.

And yes, a few months from now (after a few knocks on dead pitches) people will passionately argue why YS should never have been dropped in the first place from the test team and how it was imperative that he be played at any cost.

Rather surprisingly (or not) Shastri was of the opinion that YS has to play NOW no matter at whose cost. Is there any accountability? It is not how YS has played but more how he looked. Ditto with Jaffer. RD at his absolute worst has looked better than these worthy youth. VVS, SRT and SG have been miles better.

-P 

since dravid was already dropped .... all this hulla bulla is about that ONE player?

Since RU and RS were already in the team .... this whole thing is about that one swap (Raina for Mr ODI useless himself).

I am glad people see things in perspective

Yes sir, perspective is a rare thing. After all, assuming you have actually SEEN YS and RD bat (not to talk of SRT/SG/VVS) one would assume that you would not call on YS to be THE one chosen.

But for many, perhaps you, the youth over experienced is a religious thing.

Interesting perspective, that.

-P

[Prafulla]

And yes, a few months from now (after a few knocks on dead pitches) people will passionately argue why YS should never have been dropped in the first place from the test team and how it was imperative that he be played at any cost.

Have you noticed those voices so eager to give YS a free test spot much like "muft diwali ki laddoo" have gone suddenly quiet now ? Thats what happens when you have people commenting on the game without understanding it -- a bean counter approach to evaluating cricket only gets you so far,

Dont worry, as you predict, the rise of the bean counters is not far off  

And the shameless will be there too. One good thing about the shameless are that they do not know when to shut their trap --they keep blabbering (even when crow has been shoved down their gullets) and making a fool of themselves, all the while blissfully unaware of the fact they stand exposed.

Ha Ha.. YS was clueless against quality bowling. He played well only on flat tracks. Playing 15/20 overs in ODI and test match are two different skills.

In my view - youngsters must be indicted into the team, but not when seniors are playing well. There should never be talks of YS replacing SG/VVSL, as long as these players are playing well. Even in ODI - we should have continued with RD/SG/VVS and give opportunity to youngsters in phased manner. Just because, MSD is insecured from these seniors - we can not bring in under performers. We must plan for tomorrow, but not at the cost of present. There has to be systematic transition and that to with the players - who have proved.

[Cover Point]

I do not know how the team will do in Aus ODI's but I remember very well the desperation in SA. Public memory is very short. The same young uns that would make Jaffer look like Bradman in the current series are now the desired ones. Let's hope they have improved a tad by now.

And yes, a few months from now (after a few knocks on dead pitches) people will passionately argue why YS should never have been dropped in the first place from the test team and how it was imperative that he be played at any cost.

Rather surprisingly (or not) Shastri was of the opinion that YS has to play NOW no matter at whose cost. Is there any accountability? It is not how YS has played but more how he looked. Ditto with Jaffer. RD at his absolute worst has looked better than these worthy youth. VVS, SRT and SG have been miles better.

-P 

since dravid was already dropped .... all this hulla bulla is about that ONE player?

Since RU and RS were already in the team .... this whole thing is about that one swap (Raina for Mr ODI useless himself).

I am glad people see things in perspective

Yes sir, perspective is a rare thing. After all, assuming you have actually SEEN YS and RD bat (not to talk of SRT/SG/VVS) one would assume that you would not call on YS to be THE one chosen.

But for many, perhaps you, the youth over experienced is a religious thing.

Interesting perspective, that.

-P

I appreciate your insight on my religion. Khuda, Bhagwaan and Allah are all young in the scheme of things.

thank you for the insight. But I am confused... and would the good professor please answer this errant student. Where did you respond to my comment about there being JUST ONE CHANGE in the team that all this hulla bulla is about.

You see it is in the Gangulians best interest to make this about youth vs experience when all we are talking about is ONE change.

[prfsr]

Sir,
I am happy to oblige. Yes it is a matter of hullabaloo if your most consistent bat in both forms of the game combined in 2007, your best bat (as per a withdrawn beta version of a DG maharathi) in the first two tests in the current series is that SINGLE person dropped. I do know the difference between tests and ODIs. Sadly I also SEE the "aukat" of youngsters like YS, Jaffer and MSD exposed on these pitches.

As I said I do not know how the really young will do in ODIs. Seeing that they have never outperformed YS, MSD anywhere makes me nervous.

-P

[Cover Point]

Sir,
I am happy to oblige. Yes it is a matter of hullabaloo if your most consistent bat in both forms of the game combined in 2007, your best bat (as per a withdrawn beta version of a DG maharathi) in the first two tests in the current series is that SINGLE person dropped. I do know the difference between tests and ODIs. Sadly I also SEE the "aukat" of youngsters like YS, Jaffer and MSD exposed on these pitches.

As I said I do not know how the really young will do in ODIs. Seeing that they have never outperformed YS, MSD anywhere makes me nervous.

-P

the withdrawn (Not really withdrawn) version is on the same page as you sir on the best indian test batsman until very recently.

But this beta version always differentiated between tests and odi's and continued to talk about the uselessness of the odi version of the son of soil.

Past this we are on same page. You see rarely would you see green tops in odi's and since odi pitches world over are flat ... you can expect the likes of Uthappa and YS to keep doing well there. Ergo ... no need for the hysterics of the proportion being spouted

As i said its only one change ... and the right one

[feverpitch]

This bunch won't survive 20 overs on a anupam kher track against australia.

[justforkix]

The last time Indian selectors emphasized on youth on bouncy,fast pitches , we all know what happened.
Yes , I am talking about the ODI series in South Africa , where the young brigade couldn't even put the bat to ball and Indian team was so humiliated that , there were discussions in Parliament, effigy burning mobs, Pawar sent Vengy to SA "to convey the sentiments of the nation" to the team , Greame Smith and SA chief selector confidently predicting a 3-0 rout in Tests.

A similar episode is going to occur now.

I say this emphasis on WC 2011 is non-sense. We should concentrate on the present  , instead of elaborate planning on the future tournament where one bad day can ruin years of planning.
Even if WC is the target , there is still plenty of time for the so called palnning.

Promoting youth is fine , but then you should be prepared to accept a few losses and the Indian fans will not tolerate a string of sub-150 scores.  And considering how the young brigade performed so far in tests , even a 150 score is very optimistic.

Our record in 1999-00 tri-series was 1-7.
Our record in the 2003-04 tri-series was 1-5 (excluding Zim wins of course).

So, even if we win 1 ODI, our performance will be on par wiht the previous 2 tri-series

[inoc]

The last time Indian selectors emphasized on youth on bouncy,fast pitches , we all know what happened.
Yes , I am talking about the ODI series in South Africa , where the young brigade couldn't even put the bat to ball and Indian team was so humiliated that , there were discussions in Parliament, effigy burning mobs, Pawar sent Vengy to SA "to convey the sentiments of the nation" to the team , Greame Smith and SA chief selector confidently predicting a 3-0 rout in Tests.

A similar episode is going to occur now.

I say this emphasis on WC 2011 is non-sense. We should concentrate on the present  , instead of elaborate planning on the future tournament where one bad day can ruin years of planning.
Even if WC is the target , there is still plenty of time for the so called palnning.

Promoting youth is fine , but then you should be prepared to accept a few losses and the Indian fans will not tolerate a string of sub-150 scores.  And considering how the young brigade performed so far in tests , even a 150 score is very optimistic.

Our record in 1999-00 tri-series was 1-7.
Our record in the 2003-04 tri-series was 1-5 (excluding Zim wins of course).

So, even if we win 1 ODI, our performance will be on par wiht the previous 2 tri-series

pre emptive excuses 

that was a joke.

by this theory we won 15 and lost 14 in the last year,
and won 13 and lost 15 the year before (excluding minnows of course).
that is an improvement isnt it?

still joking

[Vick]

And yes, a few months from now (after a few knocks on dead pitches) people will passionately argue why YS should never have been dropped in the first place from the test team and how it was imperative that he be played at any cost.

Have you noticed those voices so eager to give YS a free test spot much like "muft diwali ki laddoo" have gone suddenly quiet now ? Thats what happens when you have people commenting on the game without understanding it -- a bean counter approach to evaluating cricket only gets you so far,

Dont worry, as you predict, the rise of the bean counters is not far off  

And the shameless will be there too. One good thing about the shameless are that they do not know when to shut their trap --they keep blabbering (even when crow has been shoved down their gullets) and making a fool of themselves, all the while blissfully unaware of the fact they stand exposed.

Ha Ha.. YS was clueless against quality bowling. He played well only on flat tracks. Playing 15/20 overs in ODI and test match are two different skills.

In my view - youngsters must be indicted into the team, but not when seniors are playing well. There should never be talks of YS replacing SG/VVSL, as long as these players are playing well. Even in ODI - we should have continued with RD/SG/VVS and give opportunity to youngsters in phased manner. Just because, MSD is insecured from these seniors - we can not bring in under performers. We must plan for tomorrow, but not at the cost of present. There has to be systematic transition and that to with the players - who have proved.

WOW. Captaining Indian team is freaking *ty job. How come these seniors are making MSD insecure? Are they after his job? Dont seem like any of them are interested. Are they after his wicket Keeper job? Doesnt look like. So what is it?

[Cernunnos]

The last time Indian selectors emphasized on youth on bouncy,fast pitches , we all know what happened.
Yes , I am talking about the ODI series in South Africa , where the young brigade couldn't even put the bat to ball and Indian team was so humiliated that , there were discussions in Parliament, effigy burning mobs, Pawar sent Vengy to SA "to convey the sentiments of the nation" to the team , Greame Smith and SA chief selector confidently predicting a 3-0 rout in Tests.

A similar episode is going to occur now.

I say this emphasis on WC 2011 is non-sense. We should concentrate on the present  , instead of elaborate planning on the future tournament where one bad day can ruin years of planning.
Even if WC is the target , there is still plenty of time for the so called palnning.

Promoting youth is fine , but then you should be prepared to accept a few losses and the Indian fans will not tolerate a string of sub-150 scores.  And considering how the young brigade performed so far in tests , even a 150 score is very optimistic.

Our record in 1999-00 tri-series was 1-7.

1 victory: due to 144* by ODI discard.
Closest loss to Aus: 100 by ODI discard.

Our record in the 2003-04 tri-series was 1-5 (excluding Zim wins of course).

1 victory: due to 108 by ODI discard.
Closest loss to Aus: 87 by ODI discard.

So, even if we win 1 ODI, our performance will be on par wiht the previous 2 tri-series

Which didn't happen for India in South Africa
0 - 4

Calling them losses were an understatement:

lost   157 runs   
lost   106 runs   
lost   80 runs      
lost   9 wicket

[Cover Point]

The last time Indian selectors emphasized on youth on bouncy,fast pitches , we all know what happened.
Yes , I am talking about the ODI series in South Africa , where the young brigade couldn't even put the bat to ball and Indian team was so humiliated that , there were discussions in Parliament, effigy burning mobs, Pawar sent Vengy to SA "to convey the sentiments of the nation" to the team , Greame Smith and SA chief selector confidently predicting a 3-0 rout in Tests.

A similar episode is going to occur now.

I say this emphasis on WC 2011 is non-sense. We should concentrate on the present  , instead of elaborate planning on the future tournament where one bad day can ruin years of planning.
Even if WC is the target , there is still plenty of time for the so called palnning.

Promoting youth is fine , but then you should be prepared to accept a few losses and the Indian fans will not tolerate a string of sub-150 scores.  And considering how the young brigade performed so far in tests , even a 150 score is very optimistic.

Our record in 1999-00 tri-series was 1-7.

1 victory: due to 144* by ODI discard.
Closest loss to Aus: 100 by ODI discard.

Our record in the 2003-04 tri-series was 1-5 (excluding Zim wins of course).

1 victory: due to 108 by ODI discard.
Closest loss to Aus: 87 by ODI discard.

So, even if we win 1 ODI, our performance will be on par wiht the previous 2 tri-series

Which didn't happen for India in South Africa
0 - 4

Calling them losses were an understatement:

lost   157 runs   
lost   106 runs   
lost   80 runs      
lost   9 wicket

i dont want close losses. Much rather would lose if it gives us a chance of future wins

[Cernunnos]

The last time Indian selectors emphasized on youth on bouncy,fast pitches , we all know what happened.
Yes , I am talking about the ODI series in South Africa , where the young brigade couldn't even put the bat to ball and Indian team was so humiliated that , there were discussions in Parliament, effigy burning mobs, Pawar sent Vengy to SA "to convey the sentiments of the nation" to the team , Greame Smith and SA chief selector confidently predicting a 3-0 rout in Tests.

A similar episode is going to occur now.

I say this emphasis on WC 2011 is non-sense. We should concentrate on the present  , instead of elaborate planning on the future tournament where one bad day can ruin years of planning.
Even if WC is the target , there is still plenty of time for the so called palnning.

Promoting youth is fine , but then you should be prepared to accept a few losses and the Indian fans will not tolerate a string of sub-150 scores.  And considering how the young brigade performed so far in tests , even a 150 score is very optimistic.

Our record in 1999-00 tri-series was 1-7.

1 victory: due to 144* by ODI discard.
Closest loss to Aus: 100 by ODI discard.

Our record in the 2003-04 tri-series was 1-5 (excluding Zim wins of course).

1 victory: due to 108 by ODI discard.
Closest loss to Aus: 87 by ODI discard.

So, even if we win 1 ODI, our performance will be on par wiht the previous 2 tri-series

Which didn't happen for India in South Africa
0 - 4

Calling them losses were an understatement:

lost   157 runs   
lost   106 runs   
lost   80 runs      
lost   9 wicket

i dont want close losses. Much rather would lose if it gives us a chance of future wins

In a way you are right.

Outcome of 0-4 loss to SA:

Dada back in the team.

Result: Win in Jo'burg test.

[achutank]

The last time Indian selectors emphasized on youth on bouncy,fast pitches , we all know what happened.
Yes , I am talking about the ODI series in South Africa , where the young brigade couldn't even put the bat to ball and Indian team was so humiliated that , there were discussions in Parliament, effigy burning mobs, Pawar sent Vengy to SA "to convey the sentiments of the nation" to the team , Greame Smith and SA chief selector confidently predicting a 3-0 rout in Tests.

A similar episode is going to occur now.

I say this emphasis on WC 2011 is non-sense. We should concentrate on the present  , instead of elaborate planning on the future tournament where one bad day can ruin years of planning.
Even if WC is the target , there is still plenty of time for the so called palnning.

Promoting youth is fine , but then you should be prepared to accept a few losses and the Indian fans will not tolerate a string of sub-150 scores.  And considering how the young brigade performed so far in tests , even a 150 score is very optimistic.

Our record in 1999-00 tri-series was 1-7.

1 victory: due to 144* by ODI discard.
Closest loss to Aus: 100 by ODI discard.

Our record in the 2003-04 tri-series was 1-5 (excluding Zim wins of course).

1 victory: due to 108 by ODI discard.
Closest loss to Aus: 87 by ODI discard.

So, even if we win 1 ODI, our performance will be on par wiht the previous 2 tri-series

Which didn't happen for India in South Africa
0 - 4

Calling them losses were an understatement:

lost   157 runs   
lost   106 runs   
lost   80 runs      
lost   9 wicket

i dont want close losses. Much rather would lose if it gives us a chance of future wins

In a way you are right.

Outcome of 0-4 loss to SA:

Dada back in the team.

Result: Win in Jo'burg test.

touche