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[Blwe_torch]

I think there is a difference between plain running and taking a catch..and doing  gymnastics.and taking a catch...whatever may be the reasons.
He didn't get the award just like that!

[bouncer]

Hmm safe hands and Ganguly? Dont go together!

On this catch. It was a moderate catch that you expect a test level cricketer to take 9 out of 10 times! What made it hard was that he failed to read it completely and completely mis-judged it. At the last minute he had to make a desperate lunge and was lucky enough to have it stick!

Actually if you wanted to look at a good catch, Bhajju's catch was the one which was truly good. He ran in and covered a lot of ground and was in a perfect position when the ball arrived.

Good fielders make hard chances make easy and poor fielders (or lazy fielders if you may) make moderate efforts look hard since they usually are in a bad position in getting to the ball!

Now that is a really "silly" point which was overlooked by all those who selected SG for this award

[inoc]

silly point
i have watched the catch and the replay. what makes you think he misjudged it? he was back peddling wasnt he? i dont know how fast you can back peddle but it is obviously not the same for everyone. another more agile fielder may have got to it (eg jonty) but not everybody is like that. there is no argument about the fact that SG is NOT the most agile fielder in the team. he merely didnt reach it like many others who wouldnt have but the fact remains whether it stuck or not it was a good catch. look at sahirs video posts collingwoods catch also stuck, not comparing here, dont missunderstand but great catches are usually the ones that stick, they wouldnt be great catches otherwise. i feel there is an assumption here that SG could have reached it but didnt in your opinion and it is open to debate. unless a 'phone calls' insisted i would go by the adjudicators and my own impression and qualify that as a good catch.

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Bouncy baby said

Now that is a really "silly" point which was overlooked by all those who selected SG for this award

Yup it was overlooked by all flat track bouncy! If you think these people doing award selections are great readers of the game or have too much sense then you really havent been following sub continental cricket.

If you give an award for someone who misjudges the ball so badly then you dont know the finer points of cricket. Cricket isnt only about being acrobatic. Its about being in the right position and making the hard chances look easy. Not making an easy chance look difficult.

 

[inoc]

silly
why dont they ask you to be a judge? your credentials are impeccable. shame on them.

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silly point
i have watched the catch and the replay. what makes you think he misjudged it? he was back peddling wasnt he? i dont know how fast you can back peddle but it is obviously not the same for everyone. another more agile fielder may have got to it (eg jonty) but not everybody is like that. there is no argument about the fact that SG is NOT the most agile fielder in the team. he merely didnt reach it like many others who wouldnt have but the fact remains whether it stuck or not it was a good catch. look at sahirs video posts collingwoods catch also stuck, not comparing here, dont missunderstand but great catches are usually the ones that stick, they wouldnt be great catches otherwise. i feel there is an assumption here that SG could have reached it but didnt in your opinion and it is open to debate. unless a 'phone calls' insisted i would go by the adjudicators and my own impression and qualify that as a good catch.

So good point about it sticking. But my whole point is about his lack of agility. An average cricketer would have gotten there and gotten in a better position. He mis judged it and was slow to get to the spot. At the last minute he felt he would not get there and did that acrobatic move (which was very good).

So that makes the catch on an overall scale very good.

Inoc said

silly
why dont they ask you to be a judge? your credentials are impeccable. shame on them.

I thought you were starting to make some good points aboveand then I saw this and figured you to be another one of those dumb Gangulians!

[inoc]

sillypoint
this post sound more anti gangulian than anything else mate.
if your favourite player had taken this catch would you have been slacking his lack of backpeddling skills - i dont think so. before you damn other ppl into groups you feel are justified - step back and think whether you belong to one or not and then think whether the other person has ever said anything as unjustified as you and then pass a comment. if you come into this DG as a new avatar doesnt mean you can do as you feel. before your JUDGEMENT please try to understand where others are coming from and then if you have a point to make, make it. your belief counts as nothing - as such the the people involved in giving him the prize are all MUCH MORE CRICKET SAVVY than you are and their opinion is worth some salt while yours is not worth anything. so save your no penny bits to yourself and come here with some genuine arguments. your post SUCKS big time.

[bouncer]

So that makes the catch on an overall scale very good.

Now silly agrees with all those unwise subcontinent judges.

[kban1]

Wow, a lot of judgment on the SG catch and how it does not stack up.

It might help to consider the facts while rolling the tape

1) SG was walking in as the ball was delivered.
2) the ball was hit hard and high
3) SG had to stop, reverse direction, which he did -he was back pedalling but the ball was going down behind him
4) misjudgment was marginal --would not have made this catch an easy one
5) Consider Dean Jones' reaction, the commentator, who in his time was one of the best fileders in the time -- it says quite a bit about the catch.

Having said that, we should not get carried away that one great catch has been taken. I wish to see many more of these from our cricket team. Want to see them become a good fielding unit

Want to see SG improve his ground fielding, his catching has always been sure handed.

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sillypoint
this post sound more anti gangulian than anything else mate.
if your favourite player had taken this catch would you have been slacking his lack of backpeddling skills - i dont think so. before you damn other ppl

If my favorite player (How do you know its not Ganguly by the way... did I ever tell you who it is?) had taken this catch I would still feel it was a decent catch and not extra ordinary. So there are a lot of cricketing points to discuss about this but we can leave those aside.

anything as unjustified as you and then pass a comment. if you come into this DG as a new avatar doesnt mean you can do as you feel. before your JUDGEMENT please try to understand where others are coming from and then if you have a point to make, make it.

Lets talk about your attack:
What does me coming in as a new avatar have to do with anything? And why the heck should I try to understand where you or your clan is coming from? This was about MY reading a particular cricketing moment and making my own judgement on it You can have your pre conceived notions about anything they count for what? I made my point mate. It was my read about the ordinariness of the catch. You can make a mandir/Masjid out of the picture of Ganguly taking that catch and put it in the fielders hall of fame!

 

your belief counts as nothing - as such the the people involved in giving him the prize are all MUCH MORE CRICKET SAVVY than you are and their opinion is worth some salt while yours is not worth anything. so save your no penny bits to yourself and come here with some genuine arguments. your post SUCKS big time.

You called my post sucky. Now I am really going to cry. Boo Hoo.

So in your opinion my opinion is worth nothing. hey fair enough. No one put a gun to your head to ask you to read it. I think your opinions prove that you have a peanut for a brain. But then thats just my opinion.  I was gonna ask you to go jump into the bay of Bengal but then that place is starting to get real crowded. Consider chullu bhar pani.

PS: People would be surprised to know. My favorite player indeed was/is Ganguly. He brought a lot of glory to the country. Was the first to really do away with the regionalism in the team etc etc. But then over the recent past he has gone down the drain trying to hold on to power. Using the samethings he hated earlier.

 If he does indeed play the next game (which he doesnt deserve to by the way), I really do hope he can score big. If he succeeds and plays for the team there is nothing like it and I will be the happiest!

[Libran]

Everyone seems to have missed the point here...

For a man who is clutching on to the last straw, and having been bad mouthed by the manager before the match ,all eyes marking his every movement on the field, some waiting for him to make a mistake which can be blown out of proportion etc., his fielding and catch was important in this context alone. He may have misjudged, lack agility ....whatever, but we also need to look at the unflagging spirit that still lingers on...There in lies the crux of this discussion and not the skill or the monetary benefits

[Blwe_torch]

Hmm safe hands and Ganguly? Dont go together!

On this catch. It was a moderate catch that you expect a test level cricketer to take 9 out of 10 times! What made it hard was that he failed to read it completely and completely mis-judged it. At the last minute he had to make a desperate lunge and was lucky enough to have it stick!

Actually if you wanted to look at a good catch, Bhajju's catch was the one which was truly good. He ran in and covered a lot of ground and was in a perfect position when the ball arrived.

Good fielders make hard chances make easy and poor fielders (or lazy fielders if you may) make moderate efforts look hard since they usually are in a bad position in getting to the ball!

The harder you work..the luckier you get.......someone said.
Give Ganguly his due. It was an outstanding catch.
If you have ever played serious cricket...not the gully type..you will realize that it is easy to mouth some inanities..rather than perform in the big-field.

[achutank]

"gangulian"

nice phrase sillly point

[feverpitch]

Want to see SG improve his ground fielding, his catching has always been sure handed.

Very True.

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Everyone seems to have missed the point here...

For a man who is clutching on to the last straw, and having been bad mouthed by the manager before the match ,all eyes marking his every movement on the field, some waiting for him to make a mistake which can be blown out of proportion etc., his fielding and catch was important in this context alone. He may have misjudged, lack agility ....whatever, but we also need to look at the unflagging spirit that still lingers on...There in lies the crux of this discussion and not the skill or the monetary benefits

Ravi, totally agree with that. I wll concede that this effort of his was better than what he usually puts in or has done in the past. I also commend that he is learning from the experience of having to go through the last few months. He is making an effort in the right direction so thats all good. Credit to him.

But that effort doesnt make this catch an award winning one. He should not get credit for being slow.

If I usually run a 100 meter dash in 30 seconds and then go to the olympics and do it in 20 seconds, it still wont get me the gold medal. There will be many sub 10 second runners who would deserve to get the prize!

Ganguly has improved from his (low) standards but (and again IMO) there were better catches in this game (atleast the Bhajji effort was better).

So that was my whole point! I wasnt saying Ganguly did not improve ... that he did. Just not to to award winning levels!

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The harder you work..the luckier you get.......someone said.
Give Ganguly his due. It was an outstanding catch.
If you have ever played serious cricket...not the gully type..you will realize that it is easy to mouth some inanities..rather than perform in the big-field.

Agreed. Its also hard to make the millions playing gully cricket! So whats the point there.

See my previous post on evaluation of his catch. Me not being able to catch a melon has nothing to do with Ganguly getting the award. He isnt competing with me!

[Blwe_torch]

Agreed. Its also hard to make the millions playing gully cricket! So whats the point there.

See my previous post on evaluation of his catch. Me not being able to catch a melon has nothing to do with Ganguly getting the award. He isnt competing with me!

It has to do with how you appreciate an effort, be it batting or fielding or bowling in the bigger scheme of things.
From, my personal point of view....I have taken similar catches like that of Harbhajan when I played for my club, college or university. I had to do the same amount of covering, etc.
But I was not good enough to take a catch similar to that of Ganguly's acrobatic effort.