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The need for Ganguly to step up
« on: December 30, 2007, 04:50:02 AM »
It's time that Ganguly stepped up to No. 1 and took gaurd. One thing is clear, this team has no technique to play anyone outside the sub-continent willing to bowl a bit. You need a little more than that, you need a will to take the fight to the other camp.

Only Dada has that, considering the choices we have at opening - VS, RD, KKD - he will do the job better than all three of them put together.

Lets make a decision not based on "balanced cricketing sense" - this is sport and our backs are not only to the wall, we are slowly being hung on a hook there. This is a time for heart, and Dada should not shy away from it.
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Re: The need for Ganguly to step up
« Reply #1 on: December 30, 2007, 06:30:18 AM »
No. Not Ganguly. But Karthik.
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Re: The need for Ganguly to step up
« Reply #2 on: December 30, 2007, 08:46:24 PM »
Why arent the Gangulians stepping up to agree with Achu? If RD in poor form can be asked to open why not SG in the form of his life?

A valid question asked by a DG Heavy weight needs to be answered.
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Re: The need for Ganguly to step up
« Reply #3 on: December 30, 2007, 08:54:47 PM »
RD can be asked to open because he bats at #3. The same doesn't apply to an established #5 - #6 batsman.

I have no problems if SG opens, and I agree with Achu that SG is the one looking best against pace, but this is not the time or place for something so radical.  It will only send the message that we are in complete disarray with our strategy.
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Re: The need for Ganguly to step up
« Reply #4 on: December 30, 2007, 09:02:12 PM »
RD can be asked to open because he bats at #3. The same doesn't apply to an established #5 - #6 batsman.

I have no problems if SG opens, and I agree with Achu that SG is the one looking best against pace, but this is not the time or place for something so radical.  It will only send the message that we are in complete disarray with our strategy.

so it is ok for your best batsman ever who is struggling a bit to open and be moved out of the most important position in the batting lineup, but your marginal player in good form who has been complaining about running out of partners cant open? Nice.
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Re: The need for Ganguly to step up
« Reply #5 on: December 30, 2007, 09:38:33 PM »
Dravid is no longer our best test bat - he has not been that for over a year now.

As Cernunnos pointed out, 3+ series - 10 tests - 20 innings and 25 average !!
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Re: The need for Ganguly to step up
« Reply #6 on: December 30, 2007, 10:41:21 PM »
No. Not Ganguly. But Karthik.
Agree, if Dravid for some strange reason is asked to not open after one game then the swap should be Karthik for Yuvraj with Dinesh Karthik opening with Jaffer and depending on how they look at things one between Dravid and Laxman will play at 3 and other at 6. 

I hope AK will not do that and play musical chairs now that he asked Dravid to open should persist with him for next test too.
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Re: The need for Ganguly to step up
« Reply #7 on: December 31, 2007, 04:09:59 AM »
It is quite sad that it takes such a disaster of titanic proportions to make people see something as elementary as 2+2=4. Dravid quite clearly sucks as opener. Karthik should have been a shoe-in for the first test his form against pak notwithstanding.
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Re: The need for Ganguly to step up
« Reply #8 on: December 31, 2007, 05:10:56 AM »
It is quite sad that it takes such a disaster of titanic proportions to make people see something as elementary as 2+2=4. Dravid quite clearly sucks as opener. Karthik should have been a shoe-in for the first test his form against pak notwithstanding.

BUT BOSS both these guys, jaffer and kartick, are so miserable in the first ten overs with their faulty footwork against the moving ball that it will only be two wickets down for 10-20 runs in the first ten overs.

if jaffer has shoddy footwork then kartick has no footwork at all, which means that it is still better to open with RD than these two actually

and it actually makes me cringe to say that

because very clearly india has no idea about the basics of opening technique and other than for a few names countable on one hand there have been no hardcore openers in indian since 1930

how long will it take us to realize that the world'S best opener is sitting in the commentator's box instead of institutionalizing OPENING COACHING

give the man some money (he does not dance otherwise) but get him to coach state-level coaches on opening technique

and what makes it worse is that rajput himself is an opener and he is not paying enough attention to kartick

on kartick ...kartick has very good temperament and attitude, he is a strong player off his legs and has decent technique against medium-pace and spin, but any ball over 135 that moves and his legs just freeze, all his dismissals are soft edges to wicketkeepers and slips, any body witha  decent observation of cricket can see that one whole season of nets and coaching and his footwork can be improved simply because he does not know the technique and therefore he can learn {not like sehwag who will naturally never get footwork (he is like ganguly relying completely on timing and eyework)}

i feel lalchand rajput could have taken the recent unearthing of kartick as a blessing and worked on him over the last 2 months with the express desire to make him an opener; but i feel that thinktank still thinks of kartick as makeshift and that eventually he wil be a no. 5 bat for us above dhoni
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Re: The need for Ganguly to step up
« Reply #9 on: December 31, 2007, 05:15:33 AM »
It is quite sad that it takes such a disaster of titanic proportions to make people see something as elementary as 2+2=4. Dravid quite clearly sucks as opener. Karthik should have been a shoe-in for the first test his form against pak notwithstanding.

BUT BOSS both these guys, jaffer and kartick, are so miserable in the first ten overs with their faulty footwork against the moving ball that it will only be two wickets down for 10-20 runs in the first ten overs.

if jaffer has shoddy footwork then kartick has no footwork at all, which means that it is still better to open with RD than these two actually

and it actually makes me cringe to say that

because very clearly india has no idea about the basics of opening technique and other than for a few names countable on one hand there have been no hardcore openers in indian since 1930

how long will it take us to realize that the world'S best opener is sitting in the commentator's box instead of institutionalizing OPENING COACHING

give the man some money (he does not dance otherwise) but get him to coach state-level coaches on opening technique

and what makes it worse is that rajput himself is an opener and he is not paying enough attention to kartick

on kartick ...kartick has very good temperament and attitude, he is a strong player off his legs and has decent technique against medium-pace and spin, but any ball over 135 that moves and his legs just freeze, all his dismissals are soft edges to wicketkeepers and slips, any body witha  decent observation of cricket can see that one whole season of nets and coaching and his footwork can be improved simply because he does not know the technique and therefore he can learn {not like sehwag who will naturally never get footwork (he is like ganguly relying completely on timing and eyework)}

i feel lalchand rajput could have taken the recent unearthing of kartick as a blessing and worked on him over the last 2 months with the express desire to make him an opener; but i feel that thinktank still thinks of kartick as makeshift and that eventually he wil be a no. 5 bat for us above dhoni
I think it will be difficult to get SMG to coach (not enough money)..and I doubt he will be a good coach .. he has too much ego ..good teachers should be humble!!
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Re: The need for Ganguly to step up
« Reply #10 on: December 31, 2007, 06:04:51 AM »
SMG may not be a good full-time coach, but he can certainly be a great batting consultant to iron out flaws...muchlike he was helping dravid.

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Re: The need for Ganguly to step up
« Reply #11 on: December 31, 2007, 06:28:50 AM »
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BUT BOSS both these guys, jaffer and kartick, are so miserable in the first ten overs with their faulty footwork against the moving ball that it will only be two wickets down for 10-20 runs in the first ten overs.

Just look at their performances in England.
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Re: The need for Ganguly to step up
« Reply #12 on: December 31, 2007, 03:07:32 PM »
SMG may not be a good full-time coach, but he can certainly be a great batting consultant to iron out flaws...muchlike he was helping dravid.



and that worked real well!!! The only successful batting coaching I have seen is from GC to SG.
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Re: The need for Ganguly to step up
« Reply #13 on: December 31, 2007, 05:16:04 PM »
SMG may not be a good full-time coach, but he can certainly be a great batting consultant to iron out flaws...muchlike he was helping dravid.



and that worked real well!!! The only successful batting coaching I have seen is from GC to SG.

two options: take Chineese herbs with coffee to enhance IQ. Take irish cream with coffee often to colapse what ever.

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Re: The need for Ganguly to step up
« Reply #14 on: December 31, 2007, 06:04:58 PM »
SMG may not be a good full-time coach, but he can certainly be a great batting consultant to iron out flaws...muchlike he was helping dravid.



and that worked real well!!! The only successful batting coaching I have seen is from GC to SG.

two options: take Chineese herbs with coffee to enhance IQ. Take irish cream with coffee often to colapse what ever.

ferme la bush

Are u taking French herbs? By the way how is therapy coming along? You may need a team in Switzerland though .... they have done wonders ...
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Re: The need for Ganguly to step up
« Reply #15 on: December 31, 2007, 08:28:07 PM »
SMG may not be a good full-time coach, but he can certainly be a great batting consultant to iron out flaws...muchlike he was helping dravid.



and that worked real well!!! The only successful batting coaching I have seen is from GC to SG.

Huee muddat ke 'GC' mar gaya par yaad aata hai
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Re: The need for Ganguly to step up
« Reply #16 on: December 31, 2007, 10:49:35 PM »
SMG may not be a good full-time coach, but he can certainly be a great batting consultant to iron out flaws...muchlike he was helping dravid.



and that worked real well!!! The only successful batting coaching I have seen is from GC to SG.

Huee muddat ke 'GC' mar gaya par yaad aata hai

aha!

So u do understand hindi!!! So you have been exposed as a petty liar (since u made a proclamation of not understanding ur national language the other day.

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Re: The need for Ganguly to step up
« Reply #17 on: January 01, 2008, 12:12:46 AM »
SMG may not be a good full-time coach, but he can certainly be a great batting consultant to iron out flaws...muchlike he was helping dravid.



and that worked real well!!! The only successful batting coaching I have seen is from GC to SG.

Huee muddat ke 'GC' mar gaya par yaad aata hai

aha!

So u do understand hindi!!! So you have been exposed as a petty liar (since u made a proclamation of not understanding ur national language the other day.



it is not hindi. it is urdu. Hindi is not my national language. I was not born in INDIA. I am not a Indian National. In my life time I visited India only two times.
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